Senior Bowl Thread

[SouthStndJunkie]

On now.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I liked it more when ESPN did the game with Kiper.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Dan Connor picks off Colt '6th round' Brennan.

[That One Guy]

If Phillip Rivers has the javelin throw, it looked like Colt Brennan has the outside hand frisbee throw. That was some jacked up, sidearmish motion.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Henne to Hawkins.....TD.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Lawrence Jackson (USC) with sack of Brennan.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Brennan with another poor pass.

[SpringStein]

Dan Connor picks off Colt '6th round' Brennan.


That looked good, then he looked bad on 2 running plays. On one got knocked backward.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Trevor Laws (DT ND) with a sack.

112 tackles from the DT position last year.

[SpringStein]

Henne to Hawkins.....TD.

Hawkins has certainly impressed this week - made some money. ;)

[SouthStndJunkie]

Hawkins has certainly impressed this week - made some money. ;)

That is what I have heard. Would like to see him return some more kicks today.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Rodgers-Cromartie with a nice play.

[SpringStein]

Rodgers-Cromartie with a nice play.

Followed up by a very nice open field react and tackle.

[That One Guy]

Is this Cromartie any relation to the other one? I know we have the Griffin brother.

[That One Guy]

And Woodson is an idiot...

[That One Guy]

Ellis hasn't played yet, has he?

[SpringStein]

And Woodson is an idiot...

Yea, he's looked terrible.

[SpringStein]

Ellis hasn't played yet, has he?

yes, he started.

And no, I don't believe Rodgers-Cromartie is related to Antonio.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Quintin Demps (UTEP) with the INT.

Bad toss by Booty.

[SouthStndJunkie]

yes, he started.

And no, I don't believe Rodgers-Cromartie is related to Antonio.

Not a bad year to be a DB and have Cromartie as a last name though.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Tashard Choice (GT) with a tough run.

He is a player I like quite a bit.

[big56fan#1]

Theres a reason why Woodson looks bad.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3213156

MOBILE, Ala. -- All three South team quarterbacks have struggled during Senior Bowl week, and none more than Kentucky's Andre' Woodson, a former first-round prospect whose draft stock is free-falling right now. Woodson certainly deserves much of the blame for his own struggles but according to two different scouts we've spoken to this week new 49ers offensive coordinator Mike Martz is a big part of the problem as well.

Martz has apparently attempted to mold Woodson, Hawaii's Colt Brennan (Hawaii) and Tennessee's Erik Ainge into proper fits for his system in only a four-day period. In doing so, Martz has tinkered with their footwork on drops and timing as passers.
Martz's system, which features many deep timing routes, emphasizes delivery quickness and accuracy when throwing blindly to a spot from its quarterbacks, while de-emphasizing the velocity of throws. For example, a typical comeback route runs 18 yards back to 15 yards, with the quarterback throwing to a spot one or two yards in front of the receivers' break.

Martz, on the other hand, likes 22-yard comebacks routes with the quarterback releasing the ball four yards in front of the receivers' break. No one can question the effectiveness of his system in the NFL, but it is a system that definitely takes more than four days of practice to master.

While none of the three quarterbacks have adjusted well given such a short period of time, the system suits Brennan and Ainge far better than it does Woodson. Like the many pro quarterbacks to have success in Martz's scheme at the next level -- such as Kurt Warner, Mark Bulger and Jon Kitna -- Brennan and Ainge have relatively quick releases and are used to delivering the ball to a spot in order to mask their lack of ideal arm strength. Woodson, meanwhile, has a slower delivery but is often able to make up for that by getting outstanding zip on his throws.


In an attempt to adjust to Martz's system, Woodson is focusing on speeding up his drop and getting the ball out of his hands quicker, but doing so with less velocity on his throws. As a result, the hitch in Woodson's delivery looks even more pronounced and his accuracy is suffering. Essentially, Martz has unintentionally highlighted Woodson's weaknesses while masking his strengths.


This by no means excuse all of Woodson's accuracy issues this week, but it does help explain why Woodson has not been the same quarterback here in Mobile that we saw on film throughout his career at Kentucky. He has to bounce back and regain his confidence in time to put on strong showings at the combine and during individual workouts.

Todd McShay is the director of college football scouting for Scouts Inc. He has been evaluating prospects for the NFL draft since 1998.

[SouthStndJunkie]

The huge TE, Brad Cottam (Tennessee) catches the TD from Woodson.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Joe Flacco (QB Delaware) in the game.

[SpringStein]

Thnx big56 for that story - sounds like Martz.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Yvenson Bernard (RB Oregon State) getting a lot of touches.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie picks off Flacco.

[SpringStein]

More money!

[SouthStndJunkie]

Rodgers-Cromartie is really helping himself today.

[big56fan#1]

hes stock is swinging upwards today.....wow:thumbsup:

[That One Guy]

Ellis moves very well for a big fella

[SouthStndJunkie]

Sedrick Ellis (DT USC) sacks Woodson for the safety.

[worm]

Martz is an idiot.

Screwing with a kids mechanics for such a short period of time is insane. Keep it REALLY simple and let their natural athletics be showcased.

Alex Smith has to be cringing in anticipation.

[That One Guy]

Wow, 4 projected USC players in the 1st... none of which are Baker, that's amazing

[SpringStein]

I'm absolutely opposed to trading up. But I'll say this - the only player I would trade up for would be Ellis if he lasted to 8.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Too bad Ellis will be gone before 12.

[That One Guy]

The Smith guy just pulled up on that route, should have been a TD

[worm]

Damn Sedrick. Suck a little more would ya, please?

[That One Guy]

I'm absolutely opposed to trading up. But I'll say this - the only player I would trade up for would be Ellis if he lasted to 8.

I think any combo of LT-DT or DT-LT would be sufficient for our first two rounds so depending on where Dre Moore ends up, I think they'd be safe to take a LT in the first if he falls or Ellis if he falls... which would take something very worrisome to drop Ellis to 12 at this point but you never know.

[That One Guy]

Wow, Bowman shutting critics of his hands up. Amazing catch for a TD

Well, nevermind... they called it back.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Looked like a TD to me.

[SpringStein]

Apparently no replay in the SB?

[big56fan#1]

That was a TD......to me anyways

[SpringStein]

I think all 4 of us thought the same.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Just a bad call.

[That One Guy]

:rofl: @ the whole Lane not wearing Raiders gear like everyone else

I love them Raiders!

[2KBack]

Martz is an idiot.

Screwing with a kids mechanics for such a short period of time is insane. Keep it REALLY simple and let their natural athletics be showcased.

Alex Smith has to be cringing in anticipation.

seriously, martz has screwed these kids on the south. He should be trying to show off these kids right now, not force them into his increasingly crappy system. Hell we've barely gotten to see any of the RB's.

[SouthStndJunkie]

:rofl: @ the whole Lane not wearing Raiders gear like everyone else

I love them Raiders!

Al Davis is a dumbass. No skin off my back, but it would suck to be a Raider fan.

[That One Guy]

seriously, martz has screwed these kids on the south. He should be trying to show off these kids right now, not force them into his increasingly crappy system. Hell we've barely gotten to see any of the RB's.

I've always heard about the Martz ego but it almost seems like he's doing everything he can to prove his system can still succeed. It's getting outrageous. And to think there were still the few crazies that are always here that were calling for him when DET fired him. Always say no to Martz...

[2KBack]

I've always heard about the Martz ego but it almost seems like he's doing everything he can to prove his system can still succeed. It's getting outrageous. And to think there were still the few crazies that are always here that were calling for him when DET fired him. Always say no to Martz...

Always say no to Martz indeed, I actually feel a little bad for SF, well actually just for Nolan.

[That One Guy]

Always say no to Martz indeed, I actually feel a little bad for SF, well actually just for Nolan.

The whole pissing contest between Nolan and Alex Smith raised alot of questions for me. I don't know all of the details on it but Nolan should've shielded that whole thing from the media and he's only going to make the situation worse by bringing in a personality like Martz.

[That One Guy]

Choice seemed very slow on that catch, anyone know his 40 time? No burst whatsoever

[SouthStndJunkie]

Another missed FG.

North up 9-7.

[That One Guy]

Tribble is a 5'8" CB? That's almost getting too short... they've gotta start getting more height at that position or every team will start going to more tall WRs as more athletic, big guys come about. You can't have CBs giving 6 or 8 inches up to WRs and expect to not get demolished.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Choice seemed very slow on that catch, anyone know his 40 time? No burst whatsoever

His estimated 40 time is 4.55 seconds.

[That One Guy]

His estimated 40 time is 4.55 seconds.

He seemed even a bit slower than that. I can understand a guy like him not having much burst through the tackles but once you get to open field like he did and you can turn it on to a sprint, you should have a little extra. I wasn't impressed at all.

[That One Guy]

A 69 yd punt... that's not bad, if he could do some kickoffs he'd be a good replacement for Ernster

I almost forgot Sauerbrun had gotten cut again... good time to remember he's a moron

[SouthStndJunkie]

He seemed even a bit slower than that. I can understand a guy like him not having much burst through the tackles but once you get to open field like he did and you can turn it on to a sprint, you should have a little extra. I wasn't impressed at all.

I like Choice, but he is not the fastest player out there.

Not sure what round he goes in, he was productive at Georgia Tech and plays the game they way it's supposed to be played.

[That One Guy]

Wow, I thought Moore was higher ranked in the DT pool than he is. I don't know what to think about that.

[rovolution]

yes, he started.

And no, I don't believe Rodgers-Cromartie is related to Antonio.

they are related.

Cousins i believe

[Inkana7]

The Cromartie kid is actually a 2nd Cousin to Antionio, fyi.

How have the offensive lines looked, anyone?

[SouthStndJunkie]

Ainge stuffed on the sneak on 4th and 1.

[-Slap-]

Theres a reason why Woodson looks bad.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=3213156

MOBILE, Ala. -- All three South team quarterbacks have struggled during Senior Bowl week, and none more than Kentucky's Andre' Woodson, a former first-round prospect whose draft stock is free-falling right now. Woodson certainly deserves much of the blame for his own struggles but according to two different scouts we've spoken to this week new 49ers offensive coordinator Mike Martz is a big part of the problem as well.

Martz has apparently attempted to mold Woodson, Hawaii's Colt Brennan (Hawaii) and Tennessee's Erik Ainge into proper fits for his system in only a four-day period. In doing so, Martz has tinkered with their footwork on drops and timing as passers.
Martz's system, which features many deep timing routes, emphasizes delivery quickness and accuracy when throwing blindly to a spot from its quarterbacks, while de-emphasizing the velocity of throws. For example, a typical comeback route runs 18 yards back to 15 yards, with the quarterback throwing to a spot one or two yards in front of the receivers' break.

Martz, on the other hand, likes 22-yard comebacks routes with the quarterback releasing the ball four yards in front of the receivers' break. No one can question the effectiveness of his system in the NFL, but it is a system that definitely takes more than four days of practice to master.

While none of the three quarterbacks have adjusted well given such a short period of time, the system suits Brennan and Ainge far better than it does Woodson. Like the many pro quarterbacks to have success in Martz's scheme at the next level -- such as Kurt Warner, Mark Bulger and Jon Kitna -- Brennan and Ainge have relatively quick releases and are used to delivering the ball to a spot in order to mask their lack of ideal arm strength. Woodson, meanwhile, has a slower delivery but is often able to make up for that by getting outstanding zip on his throws.


In an attempt to adjust to Martz's system, Woodson is focusing on speeding up his drop and getting the ball out of his hands quicker, but doing so with less velocity on his throws. As a result, the hitch in Woodson's delivery looks even more pronounced and his accuracy is suffering. Essentially, Martz has unintentionally highlighted Woodson's weaknesses while masking his strengths.


This by no means excuse all of Woodson's accuracy issues this week, but it does help explain why Woodson has not been the same quarterback here in Mobile that we saw on film throughout his career at Kentucky. He has to bounce back and regain his confidence in time to put on strong showings at the combine and during individual workouts.

Todd McShay is the director of college football scouting for Scouts Inc. He has been evaluating prospects for the NFL draft since 1998.

This would be somewhat comedic if we weren't all hoping Woodson's stock would rise into the top 12.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I have been critical of Chad Henne over the years, but one thing he does have is a monster cannon....and he is a tough dude.

[SpringStein]

This would be somewhat comedic if we weren't all hoping Woodson's stock would rise into the top 12.


Yea, afraid there is little chance of that. In fact, he may not crack the first round.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Yea, afraid there is little chance of that. In fact, he may not crack the first round.

That is my opinion as well.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Henne to Rucker (TE Missouri) for the TD.

Henne has to be the game MVP so far.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Sucks that Shawn Crable and Jamar Adams are not playing today because of injuries. I was looking forward to watching them today. Same goes for Fred Davis.

[That One Guy]

The Cromartie kid is actually a 2nd Cousin to Antionio, fyi.

How have the offensive lines looked, anyone?

I've been playing a game and watching half assedly because the QBs have been hindering the game but there's only been a few mentions of the Oline. I thought the North has looked decent when I watched but the south hasn't stood out much yet. The south crew as a whole has looked very mediocre, I think.

I just realized USC is playing for the North, I'd think they'd be south.

[That One Guy]

Sucks that Shawn Crable and Jamar Adams are not playing today because of injuries. I was looking forward to watching them today. Same goes for Fred Davis.

Crable seems like a guy who could really move around in this post season evaluation period. This would've been a great time to see him especially.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Booty looked like a pussy trying to recover that fumble.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Crable seems like a guy who could really move around in this post season evaluation period. This would've been a great time to see him especially.

I bet Crable goes off the board early in the 2nd round.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Woodson misfires on an easy TD throw.

Sedrick Ellis with the pressure.

[That One Guy]

I bet Crable goes off the board early in the 2nd round.

That's kind of been the thought that I've seen but he could've solidified that in this game and then bumped himself a bit with good numbers in the combine.

[SouthStndJunkie]

16-10 North with the lead.

[That One Guy]

Woodson misfires on an easy TD throw.

Sedrick Ellis with the pressure.

I was talking to somebody at work about Ellis and Dorsey, don't you think someone that peaked in hype so early as Dorsey did could've really used an event like this if he knew Ellis could be challenging him for that top DT spot? If Dorsey chooses not to participate at the combine the hype machine could swing fully in Ellis favor.

Dorsey just peaked so early being mentioned at the #1 that people are starting to forget about him... he better get his name back out there with something or he'll be the 2nd one off.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Lavelle Hawkins (WR CAL) with a sweet grab while lying on the ground.

[big56fan#1]

nice hands Hawkins..wow

[SpringStein]

Hawkins has impressed today.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I was talking to somebody at work about Ellis and Dorsey, don't you think someone that peaked in hype so early as Dorsey did could've really used an event like this if he knew Ellis could be challenging him for that top DT spot? If Dorsey chooses not to participate at the combine the hype machine could swing fully in Ellis favor.

Dorsey just peaked so early being mentioned at the #1 that people are starting to forget about him... he better get his name back out there with something or he'll be the 2nd one off.

Probably wants to get that gimpy knee healthy.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Even so, he probably would not have played if he was 100% healthy.

[That One Guy]

Even so, he probably would not have played if he was 100% healthy.

I assumed he was simply passing on it, I didn't know his knee was still bothering him. He definitely better participate at the combine then.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I assumed he was simply passing on it, I didn't know his knee was still bothering him. He definitely better participate at the combine then.

I am not 100% sure it is still bothering him. I just know it was giving him problems during LSU's season.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Ainge with the chance to win the game for the South team.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Terrence Wheatley (Colorado) called for a bogus PI penalty.

[That One Guy]

Dad gum... I think it's really time we start talking about Dorsey falling rather than Ellis falling.n

[SouthStndJunkie]

Kiffin should have kicked the FG on 4th and 1.

[That One Guy]

These last two yards are apparently impossible to get, they look like a mess out there

[SouthStndJunkie]

South wins on the last play of the game on a reverse from the 2 to Caldwell.

[That One Guy]

Wow, what a finish

I thought he'd missed that XP

[Rohirrim]

Wow! That was about the most entertaining Senior Bowl I've seen. Now I want the Broncos to trade up for Sedrick more than ever. Trevor Laws also had a great game. Lavell Hawkins looks damn good. The kid can catch the ball. I also thought Woodyard had an excellent game. He'd make a great SS for the Broncos. That was fun.

[Rohirrim]

They chose Forte as the MVP. Idiotic. The MVP of that game was Sedrick.

[Requiem]

What matters to the scouts and NFL personnel is how these players did during the week through being coached, (responding during drills, etc.) and how they did in their individual drills. That place is pretty much empty after Thursday night when most everyone ends up going back home. The scouts don't care about the game nearly as much as some people seem to think they do by reading through the thread.

It might help a guy a little, but not a whole lot.

[That One Guy]

What matters to the scouts and NFL personnel is how these players did during the week through being coached, (responding during drills, etc.) and how they did in their individual drills. That place is pretty much empty after Thursday night when most everyone ends up going back home. The scouts don't care about the game nearly as much as some people seem to think they do by reading through the thread.

It might help a guy a little, but not a whole lot.

If you have a mediocre game then nobody cares but when you continue to stand out the way Ellis has, the game just puts the cherry on top. I think if Ellis had done as well as he supposedly did this week and disappeared in the game, it'd have all been forgotten as he didn't produce. He took his week and capped it with an amazing game, I'd be willing to bet money that he's helped himself tonight. Mostly as an accumulation of the week but tonight helped as well.

[Bronco LB 59]

Kiffin should have kicked the FG on 4th and 1.

That's a crock of ****. Nobody watches the Senior Bowl to watch Alexis Serna kick field goals.

[Paladin]

We will see how he stacks up at the combine.

Looked like there may be a couple of DTs out there worth a two.....

[SouthStndJunkie]

That's a crock of ****. Nobody watches the Senior Bowl to watch Alexis Serna kick field goals.

When it's all said and done, it is still a football game. I bet the players on the North squad wanted to win the game.

[Rohirrim]

When it's all said and done, it is still a football game. I bet the players on the North squad wanted to win the game.

I guess having the Fader coaches killed them. ;D

[Bronco LB 59]

They chose Forte as the MVP. Idiotic. The MVP of that game was Sedrick.

You're absolutely right, but Forte played a good game in his own right. I hope he didn't play himself into the first day for Denver's sake. He has some TD qualities.

[Paladin]

I would not underesimate Kiffin. I think he's a pretty good coach.....

[2KBack]

You're absolutely right, but Forte played a good game in his own right. I hope he didn't play himself into the first day for Denver's sake. He has some TD qualities.

yep, he solidified my interest in him as a Bronco. The fumble was bad, but overall he did very well with limited opportunities. The extra 1-2 yards he gets after being wrapped up would be huge in our offense.

[Rohirrim]

I wouldn't mind the Broncos using a late pick on a RB, but I don't see it as a crucial issue next season. My dark horse pick is Rafael Little of Kentucky. I watched a couple of Wildcat games this year and was impressed with his style. He's smooth and runs downfield quick. He's a one cut type. IMO, he'd be worth a late pick as a Bobby Turner project.

[ohiobronco2]

How did Dre Moore look? I didn't get to see the game.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I think Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie may have moved himself into the 1st round.

[lex]

I thought Cherilous looked good at RT. I thought Schuening looked better at RG than he did at practice. Chris Williams looked really good too. I actually thought Dizon did enough to possibly move up ( I think he was slotted as a 6th). Bowman dropped and Hawkins moved up. Connor did OK, but I was expecting more. Same with Keith Rivers and Phil Wheeler. I really wish the South QBs would have been better; I wanted to see Zbikowski tested. I know about his flaws but Im starting to warm up to him as an in the box safety and a special teams guy.

[Broncoman13]

Anybody watch the interviews after the game. They were talking to Sedrick Ellis and how they moved him up their board to the #1 DT in the draft. When asked if that was the right move, Sedrick responded, "Absolutely, I won't let you down." When talking about Dorsey, Ellis said he was a great player with good speed, hands, etc. He then said that you have to compete. When asked if he would be at the combine, he responded, "Absolutely, it's competition right!"

I thought he was slightly overrated until this week and this game. He'll never last until 12 now... and we have too many needs to move up. The only way I move up is if a team will take Javon in a deal. NO giving up picks!

[That One Guy]

Anybody watch the interviews after the game. They were talking to Sedrick Ellis and how they moved him up their board to the #1 DT in the draft. When asked if that was the right move, Sedrick responded, "Absolutely, I won't let you down." When talking about Dorsey, Ellis said he was a great player with good speed, hands, etc. He then said that you have to compete. When asked if he would be at the combine, he responded, "Absolutely, it's competition right!"

I thought he was slightly overrated until this week and this game. He'll never last until 12 now... and we have too many needs to move up. The only way I move up is if a team will take Javon in a deal. NO giving up picks!

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that Dorsey is possibly still recovering and if that's the reason he didn't participate, that's understandable but if he's just confident that he'll go at the top and felt comfortable in that... he better be careful, it could definitely come back to bite him. Even if Dorsey is trying to get healthy, if he can't go by the combine that could also put Ellis above him. Dorsey has to do something soon to get his name back on people's tongues and stop some of the hype that Ellis is getting.

[2KBack]

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that Dorsey is possibly still recovering and if that's the reason he didn't participate, that's understandable but if he's just confident that he'll go at the top and felt comfortable in that... he better be careful, it could definitely come back to bite him. Even if Dorsey is trying to get healthy, if he can't go by the combine that could also put Ellis above him. Dorsey has to do something soon to get his name back on people's tongues and stop some of the hype that Ellis is getting.

screw that, I hope all his hype falls off and he drops out of the top 10. in only a couple seasons, our D-line could go from piss poor to elite.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Dorsey has to do something soon to get his name back on people's tongues and stop some of the hype that Ellis is getting.

Dorsey doesn't need to "get back on peoples tongues" and stop the Ellis hype. It is the NFL scouts and coaches he needs to impress, not the press and the draft boards.

[That One Guy]

Dorsey doesn't need to "get back on peoples tongues" and stop the Ellis hype. It is the NFL scouts and coaches he needs to impress, not the press and the draft boards.

The press and draft boards are all anyone knows about. Teams could've viewed Ellis as the better prospect from day 1 and Dorsey had just been riding the hype machine in the press, we don't know. They don't just hire schmucks off the street though and ask for their comments on these events. As the commentators' opinions swing, so too are those of scouts.

Dorsey needs to make sure everyone remembers why he was ranked #1 all along, it's easy to forget for what you've seen most recently.

[elsid13]

The press and draft boards are all anyone knows about. Teams could've viewed Ellis as the better prospect from day 1 and Dorsey had just been riding the hype machine in the press, we don't know. They don't just hire schmucks off the street though and ask for their comments on these events. As the commentators' opinions swing, so too are those of scouts.

Dorsey needs to make sure everyone remembers why he was ranked #1 all along, it's easy to forget for what you've seen most recently.

For prospect like Dorsey the Senior Bowl doesn't mean heck of a lot. All he could of done there is hurt himself. He will do what he needs to at the combine and private work out and be one of the top 5 selected in the draft

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

[QUOTE=cah412;1865712] As the commentators' opinions swing, so too are those of scouts.
QUOTE]

Nope - The scouts, coaches and general managers don't give a flying fk what commentators and websites say.

[That One Guy]

[QUOTE=cah412;1865712] As the commentators' opinions swing, so too are those of scouts.
QUOTE]

Nope - The scouts, coaches and general managers don't give a flying fk what commentators and websites say.

But a football mind is a football mind... players may be rated slightly differently but mostly teams rank em similarly. It's the same with the football mind that may be in a booth rather than a warroom. The commentators aren't just choosing someone to hype that day (though ESPN sometimes seems to), they're adjusting their boards based on what the players are doing and I think teams are taking that same notice.

And I've already said that Dorsey would probably be fine if participates in the combine but if he skips that too, then he could have a problem. He's gotta remind everyone why he's the best.

[That One Guy]

For prospect like Dorsey the Senior Bowl doesn't mean heck of a lot. All he could of done there is hurt himself. He will do what he needs to at the combine and private work out and be one of the top 5 selected in the draft

I agree but we've got a tortoise and a hare thing going on here. Dorsey sprinted ahead of the pack but Ellis continues to impress people while Dorsey is off sitting on his couch somewhere. Dorsey is a top talent but the window is closing between him and Ellis and it'd be wise of him to put Ellis back firmly in his place as #2 DT.

[Bronco LB 59]

For prospect like Dorsey the Senior Bowl doesn't mean heck of a lot. All he could of done there is hurt himself. He will do what he needs to at the combine and private work out and be one of the top 5 selected in the draft

Exactly! Dorsey got a mulligan for the Senior Bowl because he played hurt for a big chunk of the season on a bum knee and bad back. By playing on his strained knee, Dorsey was putting several millions of dollars at risk, but it was no big deal to him. Nobody should ever question his toughness or his commitment to the team. He deserved a break after the BCS Title Game. He's earned it.

I don't like when players sit out the Senior Bowl, but I never for a moment thought Dorsey was a pussy for not going.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

[QUOTE=Billy Clyde Puckett;1865829]

But a football mind is a football mind... players may be rated slightly differently but mostly teams rank em similarly. It's the same with the football mind that may be in a booth rather than a warroom. The commentators aren't just choosing someone to hype that day (though ESPN sometimes seems to), they're adjusting their boards based on what the players are doing and I think teams are taking that same notice.

And I've already said that Dorsey would probably be fine if participates in the combine but if he skips that too, then he could have a problem. He's gotta remind everyone why he's the best.

I don't want to stretch this out because its not a big deal, but there are plenty of commentators and websites out there that don' have "football minds". They are just regurgitrating something they saw elsewhere. With only a very few exceptions, they do not get any inside information from the teams. The teams make up their own minds and evaluate players based on information they collect from scouts, film and their other sources.

[El Guapo]

Quintin Demps (UTEP) with the INT.

Bad toss by Booty.

This kid has an INT in almost every game... C'mon denver, pick a UTEP boy up. We need a safety anyway. !Booya!

Demps ran a 4.38 40-yard dash at the NFL combine, 2nd fastest among safeties. The fastest, was only a tick faster at 4.37, by Arkansas' Michael Grant.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/positions/s.html

[ohiobronco2]

This kid has an INT in almost every game... C'mon denver, pick a UTEP boy up. We need a safety anyway. !Booya!

Demps ran a 4.38 40-yard dash at the NFL combine, 2nd fastest among safeties. The fastest, was only a tick faster at 4.37, by Arkansas' Michael Grant.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/combine/positions/s.html

Yeah, this kid is very impressive. I couldn't believe the kid from Arizona St. that ran a 4.38 and weighs 233 LBS. I think his name is Barrett.

[2KBack]

Yeah, this kid is very impressive. I couldn't believe the kid from Arizona St. that ran a 4.38 and weighs 233 LBS. I think his name is Barrett.

Barrett was the fastest guy on the Sundevils. A lot of us ASU fans were really hyped on him early in his college career, but injuries really stunted his growth. The guy is a great athlete though.