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I thought all the TE's looked bad. Just my assessment. I also have been heavy on the Kellen Davis bandwagon. He did not look very good at blocking. Still a great specimen though.
WR 1x1's:
Jordy Nelson isn't quick off the line. Tracy Porter from IU jammed and he looked like he was running in quicksand. For a big guy, this is going to cause him problems on the next level.
Adarius Bowman has a snap in his hips when he runs. That is great for getting seperation. He crossed D. Tribble and T Wheatley all up and was wide open. Now if he can consistently catch the football. They said he has had some kind of issue with his eyes... yesterday it was reported he had 5 drops He double clutches a lot.
Eddie Royal and Lavelle Hawkins are two of the better route runners on the North Side. They have caused problems over and over for CB's singled up with them and have given yards of seperation for QB's to work with. It could be argued that Hawkins was easily Cal's #1 WR last season over Desean Jackson even without the injury problems Jackson suffered through.
OL/DL one on one's:
Sedrick Ellis is consistently dominating one on one's. He plays with a great body lean and you can tell that he understands hand placement. His size also allows him to get into centers and guards quickly often giving him the leverage advantage. I still don't know if I would throw his name up there with Warren Sapp like Mike Mayock is doing but Ellis looks like he could have a very solid career in the NFL. Good person, hard worker, strong in the weight room and has a non-stop motor. If he was there at 12, I would not be disappointed with Denver drafting him to pair up with Marcus Thomas.
Schuening would be an excellent fit in Denver. Mike Cavanaugh was his oline coach at OSU, my OLine coach at Hawaii and technically, I have not come across anybody better in the business. I think this guy is going to be very very good. Great feet and hands, that is what Mike Cavanaugh teaches his players.
I have no doubt Godser Cherilus is a RT or a dominant guard. I don't think he'll be a LT at the next level. He doesn't have the consistent feet in my opinion.
Carl Nicks is up....
Boom, damn good feet, not hands, pancake. Very impressive. I haven't seen that much of this kid from Nebraska, he looks solid. More of the consistency that I was taling about that Godser needs.
Mike Pollak is a very good center... Sedric Ellis is just handing it to him though. The thing that is most impressive about Ellis is his repetoir of pass rush moves. He seems to have a move for everything.
SpringStein
01-22-2008, 04:40 PM
Thanks, Chris, for the on-site reports.
Sam Baker up...
didn't look too good. Weak on his inside foot, unable to take a powerstep and get back in good position and then he bends at the waste on his second attempt and gets beat around the outside. I've said this once and i'll say it again. Baker is a system tackle who will not truly be able to defend a corner in all situations. He's a solid player who works hard but the senior bowl will expose him in one on one situations.
7 on 7:
Adarius Bowman running another amazing route, another drop. I can't believe how he is killing his stock right now. Anybody wonder what this looks like, he used to wear #17 for the Denver Broncos and was a 2nd round pick. Nickname was the claw.
Filmed 7 on 7 didn't last that long... on to team. (i'll just make observations on nice plays, bad plays, OL/DL since its hard to see the WR's and CB's work)
Team: Schuening and Baker caught holding bad on the first play. Sed Ellis gets doubled and negated. Bowman jumped offsides at WR. (he's really $hitting the pot through day 1 and 2, can't state that enough.) Chauncey Washington takes the dump off catch and sprints downfield for a long gainer. (he is a sleeper for Denver)
more to come. I'll finish this later on today along with the South Practice.
Bronco LB 59
01-22-2008, 05:15 PM
Schuening would be an excellent fit in Denver. Mike Cavanaugh was his oline coach at OSU, my OLine coach at Hawaii and technically, I have not come across anybody better in the business. I think this guy is going to be very very good. Great feet and hands, that is what Mike Cavanaugh teaches his players.
I thought Schuening did a splendid job against Dre Moore in the Emerald Bowl. Do you think he'll still be on the board for Denver's fourth round pick?
elsid13
01-22-2008, 05:18 PM
Wonder if Bowman will be sitting there in 4th the way he is playing.
elsid13
01-22-2008, 05:35 PM
Chris - what did you think of Williams out of Vandy?
socalorado
01-22-2008, 05:39 PM
Eddie Royal and Lavelle Hawkins are two of the better route runners on the North Side. They have caused problems over and over for CB's singled up with them and have given yards of seperation for QB's to work with. It could be argued that Hawkins was easily Cal's #1 WR last season over Desean Jackson even without the injury problems Jackson suffered through.
Glad to hear Hawkins is playing well. He's the real deal. Hes taken some serious hits over the middle and he just bounces back up. Guy would be a great compliment to Marshall and he can play the slot well too.
I'd like to see him or Bennett in DEN.
Lavelle Hawkins, California
Height: 6-2. Weight: 181.
40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round: 3.
A team player. Lavelle Hawkins is undersized, but his speed makes up for it. Recorded 705 yards and five scores in 2006. Nate Longshore should be able to turn him into a star this season. 2007- 72 REC. 872 YARDS 6 TDs
I thought Schuening did a splendid job against Dre Moore in the Emerald Bowl. Do you think he'll still be on the board for Denver's fourth round pick?
No, I see him being a 2nd/3rd rounder right now.
Chris - what did you think of Williams out of Vandy?
Haven't seen him yet, I will tonight. I heard he looked solid at the South Practice, although the talk of scouts was that his arm length measure really small. Take that for what it is.
Wonder if Bowman will be sitting there in 4th the way he is playing.
I doubt he goes that far but he went from a late 1st rounder to mid/late 2nd early 3rd with the way he is playing and the way other guys are showing up. He's dropping fast!
Eddie Royal and Lavelle Hawkins are two of the better route runners on the North Side. They have caused problems over and over for CB's singled up with them and have given yards of seperation for QB's to work with. It could be argued that Hawkins was easily Cal's #1 WR last season over Desean Jackson even without the injury problems Jackson suffered through.
Glad to hear Hawkins is playing well. He's the real deal. Hes taken some serious hits over the middle and he just bounces back up. Guy would be a great compliment to Marshall and he can play the slot well too.
I'd like to see him or Bennett in DEN.
Lavelle Hawkins, California
Height: 6-2. Weight: 181.
40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round: 3.
A team player. Lavelle Hawkins is undersized, but his speed makes up for it. Recorded 705 yards and five scores in 2006. Nate Longshore should be able to turn him into a star this season. 2007- 72 REC. 872 YARDS 6 TDs
Both of these guys are fast, quick, and have great body control. I've been very impressed with them. Hawkins with a 3rd round tweener with the depth but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a Steve Smith like rise in this draft and goes in the middle 2nd round.
Rohirrim
01-22-2008, 06:19 PM
The Broncos would have to somehow come up with a third to get Schuening, methinks. Anybody who doesn't believe he would make a big difference for the Broncos must not have watched Logan Mankins dominate the Chargers' line last week. First AFCC I've ever seen where you could argue that superior blocking was the key element that won the game.
The more I hear about Ellis, the more I want the Broncos to go after him. Of course, he might slide into the top five after the Senior Bowl and combine.
mattob14
01-22-2008, 06:19 PM
Both of these guys are fast, quick, and have great body control. I've been very impressed with them. Hawkins with a 3rd round tweener with the depth but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a Steve Smith like rise in this draft and goes in the middle 2nd round.
Hawkins also had the largest hand size of any WR in weigh-ins, which is impressive for someone 5'11".
mattob14
01-22-2008, 06:25 PM
The Broncos would have to somehow come up with a third to get Schuening, methinks. Anybody who doesn't believe he would make a big difference for the Broncos must not have watched Logan Mankins dominate the Chargers' line last week. First AFCC I've ever seen where you could argue that superior blocking was the key element that won the game.
The more I hear about Ellis, the more I want the Broncos to go after him. Of course, he might slide into the top five after the Senior Bowl and combine.
From all reports, both of these guys are having a very strong showing. They, along with Carl Nicks, are guys I'd really like to bring in. If we could grab Ellis and Nicks with our first two picks, then pick up a 3rd to use on Schuening, we'd go a long way toward re-claiming the LOS.
Elway777
01-22-2008, 08:00 PM
Sounds like Hawkins and Ellis are really raising their stock. I would love for the Broncos to trade their 1 and 2 to New England for their 1 and 2 round pick. The Broncos draft Ellis and Hawkins. Then 2009 first rounder to target a player like Chis Williams or Erin Henderson in the Early second. Use Foxworth to pick up a Early 3 rounder to target Wheeler or Anthony Collins. 1 Sedrick Ellis 2a Chis Williams 2b Hawkins 3a Anthony Collins. Then Broncos go after Darsby or Al wilson in free agency.
Sounds like Hawkins and Ellis are really raising their stock. I would love for the Broncos to trade their 1 and 2 to New England for their 1 and 2 round pick. The Broncos draft Ellis and Hawkins. Then 2009 first rounder to target a player like Chis Williams or Erin Henderson in the Early second. Use Foxworth to pick up a Early 3 rounder to target Wheeler or Anthony Collins. 1 Sedrick Ellis 2a Chis Williams 2b Hawkins 3a Anthony Collins. Then Broncos go after Darsby or Al wilson in free agency.
Seriously?
So we give up about 20 draft slots in the second round, the difference between top 50 and top 75, just to move up a couple spots to a place where Ellis is equally likely to not be?
Then we throw our '09 first away for a 2nd rounder and take a guy who is just a big pile of raw talent?
While we're at it why don't we send Champ out of town for a 1st and 2nd in this draft? Apparently this talent pool is so damn special that its worth mortgaging our future for 50 cents on the dollar.
Kaylore
01-22-2008, 09:16 PM
What a great thread! Thanks for being there!
Requiem
01-22-2008, 09:24 PM
You're in Mobile right now Chris?!
rugbythug
01-22-2008, 09:27 PM
Seriously?
So we give up about 20 draft slots in the second round, the difference between top 50 and top 75, just to move up a couple spots to a place where Ellis is equally likely to not be?
Then we throw our '09 first away for a 2nd rounder and take a guy who is just a big pile of raw talent?
While we're at it why don't we send Champ out of town for a 1st and 2nd in this draft? Apparently this talent pool is so damn special that its worth mortgaging our future for 50 cents on the dollar.
With 5 FA CB's we might be able to move with Foxworth. Of course any trade would be contigent on our guy being there. As they always are.
That One Guy
01-22-2008, 09:36 PM
Seriously?
So we give up about 20 draft slots in the second round, the difference between top 50 and top 75, just to move up a couple spots to a place where Ellis is equally likely to not be?
Then we throw our '09 first away for a 2nd rounder and take a guy who is just a big pile of raw talent?
While we're at it why don't we send Champ out of town for a 1st and 2nd in this draft? Apparently this talent pool is so damn special that its worth mortgaging our future for 50 cents on the dollar.
Great Post.
For some reason people always seem to overvalue upcoming draft picks, even over proven players. It seems kind of like a new car thing, once you've taken the player he instantly loses value. Foxworth was taken as a 3rd rounder and shown some promise yet people seem ready to take a 3rd and run with it if offered in trade. Go buy a lottery ticket if you're that addicted to taking risks. We should instead be trying to sign him again, he'd still not command too much money, and lets feel comfortable in there being some depth at at least one position on the field. Most people on here though seem to think that every draft is so freakishly awesome that you should trade everything, past-present-or future, to acquire every single pick in the draft and coast to the SB. Drafts may fluctuate in talent slightly but you're going to deal with the same aspects every year; some players will open your eyes and make you think he's an amazing talent but the reality is that the difference between him and the next best guy probably isn't as much as it would seem and there'll probably be a comparable guy leading the pack next year. Just relax, don't do anything drastic, and lets see if the Broncos can't stumble into a player or two.
You're in Mobile right now Chris?!
ha ha, no. I'm riding the hype train though! :)
Just watching the senior bowl practices on tv, passing along the info.
oubronco
01-22-2008, 09:41 PM
[QUOTE=Elway777;1861671]Use Foxworth to pick up a Early 3 rounder to target Wheeler or Anthony Collins. QUOTE]
once again what makes you guy's think that denver would trade foxworth and why would they get a third for a starting nickel back/safety ?
That One Guy
01-22-2008, 09:48 PM
[QUOTE=Elway777;1861671]Use Foxworth to pick up a Early 3 rounder to target Wheeler or Anthony Collins. QUOTE]
once again what makes you guy's think that denver would trade foxworth and why would they get a third for a starting nickel back/safety ?
Cletus and his sidekick (Lex and Socalorado) proposed this a while back, I believe, and since then folks have just jumped on the wagon as to what his value is and assuming someone will give Denver this preconceived value.
He's coming up on RFA this year and I've heard talk that he's under the impression that he has to leave to get a starting spot since Denver brought in Bly last year when Foxworth was already expecting to be the starter. That being said, money heals all wounds and I still think they should be trying to resign him.
Cletus and his sidekick (Lex and Socalorado) proposed this a while back, I believe, and since then folks have just jumped on the wagon as to what his value is and assuming someone will give Denver this preconceived value.
He's coming up on RFA this year and I've heard talk that he's under the impression that he has to leave to get a starting spot since Denver brought in Bly last year when Foxworth was already expecting to be the starter. That being said, money heals all wounds and I still think they should be trying to resign him.
Dude, someone said something you didnt like. Dont let something like that cause emotional upheval.
[QUOTE=Elway777;1861671]Use Foxworth to pick up a Early 3 rounder to target Wheeler or Anthony Collins. QUOTE]
once again what makes you guy's think that denver would trade foxworth and why would they get a third for a starting nickel back/safety ?
If we could move Foxworth for an early 3rd we'd be fools not to take it.
News flash kiddies. He's not that good. He's scrawny, not impressive athletically, and his only redeeming quality is his heart and effort. I'd rather we extend Paymah, he's a much better long term solution as a corner. Unless of course we want a 180 pound nickel back/safety?
Elway777
01-23-2008, 02:37 AM
I'm O.k with keeping Foxworth as long as he signs a long term contract. If he just signs a one year deal then better to move him and get another player. Turner from San Diago is a good example of might happen with foxworth. They could of got a draft pick for Turner but now they receive nothing.
ohiobronco2
01-23-2008, 07:12 AM
Dude, someone said something you didnt like. Dont let something like that cause emotional upheval.
Hilarious!
Well I guess this is a better responce then you telling someone to go f*ck off.
socalorado
01-23-2008, 08:49 AM
[QUOTE=oubronco;1861766]
If we could move Foxworth for an early 3rd we'd be fools not to take it.
News flash kiddies. He's not that good. He's scrawny, not impressive athletically, and his only redeeming quality is his heart and effort. I'd rather we extend Paymah, he's a much better long term solution as a corner. Unless of course we want a 180 pound nickel back/safety?
I agree. Which is why i say trade him for picks or a player. Get what you can right now cause it isnt going to get any better. Keep Paymah. His upside is much bigger. Much more physical and larger player.
Foxworth is a solid #2 cover corner and nothing more. He could play right now for a bunch of teams, but thats all he can do. This whole play him at safety BS is/was a joke and obviously a mistake.
Hilarious!
Well I guess this is a better responce then you telling someone to go **** off.
I could do that as well.
oubronco
01-23-2008, 10:48 AM
[QUOTE=oubronco;1861766]
IF we could move Foxworth for an early 3rd we'd be fools not to take it.
News flash kiddies. He's not that good. He's scrawny, not impressive athletically, and his only redeeming quality is his heart and effort. I'd rather we extend Paymah, he's a much better long term solution as a corner. Unless of course we want a 180 pound nickel back/safety?
this is what i was refering to everyone keeps saying trade him for a 3rd what and where are they getting a 3rd value at and who would give it up
and i think the coaching staff likes him too much to trade him but we'll see
ColoradoBuff
01-23-2008, 11:47 AM
Eddie Royal and Lavelle Hawkins are two of the better route runners on the North Side. They have caused problems over and over for CB's singled up with them and have given yards of seperation for QB's to work with. It could be argued that Hawkins was easily Cal's #1 WR last season over Desean Jackson even without the injury problems Jackson suffered through.
Glad to hear Hawkins is playing well. He's the real deal. Hes taken some serious hits over the middle and he just bounces back up. Guy would be a great compliment to Marshall and he can play the slot well too.
I'd like to see him or Bennett in DEN.
Lavelle Hawkins, California
Height: 6-2. Weight: 181.
40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round: 3.
A team player. Lavelle Hawkins is undersized, but his speed makes up for it. Recorded 705 yards and five scores in 2006. Nate Longshore should be able to turn him into a star this season. 2007- 72 REC. 872 YARDS 6 TDs
I really like Hawkins. He ate up Air Force in the bowl game...i know it was Air Force and all, but the kid is legit. Marshall, Hawkins, and Stokely would be awesome.
[QUOTE=Drek;1861858]
this is what i was refering to everyone keeps saying trade him for a 3rd what and where are they getting a 3rd value at and who would give it up
and i think the coaching staff likes him too much to trade him but we'll see
I don't. They picked up Bly and stuck him directly in front of Foxworth, telling him there was not going to be an open competition for the spot just last off-season.
With Slowik running the defensive show I see that being even more relevant, as he's worked with the DBs the last few years himself and I'm sure had some input on bringing in Bly. I think Foxworth is leaving town, I just hope he recoups a 3rd for us on his way out. Paymah will stay, he's more versatile and has much more upside.
SpringStein
01-23-2008, 06:21 PM
From East Coast Sports news:
The players that have helped themselves the most this week for the North team are as follows - Jersey # 4 WR Edie Royal, #21 RB Justin Forsett and #89 TE Kellen Davis on the offensive side of the ball, as for the defensive side - Jersey #11 OLB Xavier Adibi, #19 CB Tracy Porter, #49 DT Sedric Ellis and #99 DE/OLB Bruce Davis helped themselves the most this week in my estimation.