Ladainian Tomlinson

[Punisher]

In a way i compare him to elway he can't do it by himself.If They had a QB they will be a great team but as a Broncos fan who's complaining,I really see the bolts going after a QB in the 2nd round this year.

[The MVPlaya]

Chargers are not going after a QB... that'd be a waste of investment. They will most likely look for a WR.

[Bronx33]

Just stay with rivers and let em waste their time with a QB the rest of the team doesn't respect.

[backup qb]

Unfortunately, I think Rivers has completely gained the respect of his teammates. The guy went out and played on one leg and kept his team in it. I thought he was impressive. I still hate the hillbilly SOB, but....

[TheDave]

I'm very suprised LT did not play in this game. He had an MR that was negative and practiced all week... seems strange.

[Bronx33]

He probably called norv pineapple head.

[broncofan2438]

hahahaah, who cares, they lost

sandy eggo super chokers

[Northman]

I'm very suprised LT did not play in this game. He had an MR that was negative and practiced all week... seems strange.

Definitely. I really start to wonder about his toughness after today. Hell, if Rivers can go out there and play on a bad stick than why cant LT. Maybe LT was trying to see if Rivers can back up his talk and forced him to win it on his own. Ha!

[NFLBRONCO]

Nice effort today BLT you are toast.

[dsmoot]

I'm very suprised LT did not play in this game. He had an MR that was negative and practiced all week... seems strange.

With the way Brady played today. If LT was available, SD would be in the Superbowl. I still don't think Norv uses LT in the passing game like he should.

[SouthStndJunkie]

When it comes to the playoffs, the LT nickname is appropriate.......LT = Less than Terrell.

[sixtimeseight]

The only reason anybody ever thought LT was classy is because they had never heard him speak to the media before. As soon as he opens his mouth and starts yapping he is just as bad as the rest of the classless Chargers.

[richpjr]

LT sprained his MCL on the first play of the game.

[theAPAOps5]

LT sprained his MCL on the first play of the game.

Really? Link up a story I hadn't heard that.

[Gcver2ver3]

In a way i compare him to elway he can't do it by himself.If They had a QB they will be a great team but as a Broncos fan who's complaining,I really see the bolts going after a QB in the 2nd round this year.

??

they aren't going after a QB...they love rivers....

i hate the guy but he played well the second half of the year...and he showed toughness today...

i still hate em though...

hopefully he'll suck next year

[Gcver2ver3]

Chargers are not going after a QB... that'd be a waste of investment. They will most likely look for a WR.

I don't think so....

they like chambers and jackson quite a bit....not to mention they drafted craig "buster" davis in the 1st round in last April's draft....

i think they'll continue to upgrade their defense.....

[richpjr]

Really? Link up a story I hadn't heard that.

Here is an article from the Union Tribune:


LT has sprained MCL; surgery for Rivers?
Whatever the speculation was on TV or the lie the Chargers announced to the media at Gillette Stadium, here's the bottom line from LaDainian Tomlinson:

"It's obvious that I couldn't play. If I could have played, I would have been in there.''

Tomlinson, who suffered a hyperextended left knee in last week's win over Indianapolis, got hit on the same knee on the first play of the AFC Championship Game and said he sprained the medial collateral ligament. The Chargers announced he could have returned to the game, but Tomlinson said that wasn't the case. Coach Norv Turner confirmed that after the game.

"It was just the impact of getting hit that first play, right on it,'' Tomlinson said. "I thought that would be the test, taking a hit on it. I don't know how I get direct hits on it ... it's just been two bad weeks for me. I usually don't take shots like that. It just happened.''

Tomlinson was in for a total of four plays -- two carries, a reception and one play where he stayed into block. He did not play after the Chargers' second series.

"LT tried to go and he just couldn't go,'' Turner said. "The pain in the knee, what he felt, he couldn't push off it and he couldn't go. ... The doctors and trainers said he couldn't go.''

Meanwhile, QB Philip Rivers confirmed he has a partially torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee in addition to a sprained MCL. Rivers said he "probably'' would need surgery.

[boltaneer]

The Chargers only have one day one pick in the draft but it depends on the compensation pick they get for Donnie Edwards. He played decent this season but I don't know if he warrants a third round pick.

But I'd definitely say safety is their biggest need. They might be able to go one more year without drafting a replacement for Jamal Williams. He can still play at an elite level when healthy but I think his knees are almost shot. I think AJ Smith might be able to find another diamond in the rough running back in the later rounds to replace Michael Turner.

[Orange_Beard]

**** I would take LT on the Broncos any day.

[TheDave]

Tomlinson, who suffered a hyperextended left knee in last week's win over Indianapolis, got hit on the same knee on the first play of the AFC Championship Game and said he sprained the medial collateral ligament. The Chargers announced he could have returned to the game, but Tomlinson said that wasn't the case. Coach Norv Turner confirmed that after the game.


That sounds like someone who doesn't play hurt... I realize we have been spoiled by some warriors at RB (hell Olandis played an entire half without an ACL) but damn that just makes him sound gutless.

[boltaneer]

Maybe it was gutless, maybe it wasn't. He caught that screen pass on the first drive and he just had nothing. He couldn't push off and make cuts.

Sometimes a player guts it out and stays in the game but winds up hurting his team more. Michael Turner had an okay game but to a certain degree I don't think it would have mattered who was in the game, especially if LT wasn't anywhere near 100 percent because the Patriots were just pushing the Chargers o-line around for most of the game.

[TheDave]

Maybe it was gutless, maybe it wasn't. He caught that screen pass on the first drive and he just had nothing. He couldn't push off and make cuts.

Sometimes a player guts it out and stays in the game but winds up hurting his team more. Michael Turner had an okay game but to a certain degree I don't think it would have mattered who was in the game, especially if LT wasn't anywhere near 100 percent because the Patriots were just pushing the Chargers o-line around for most of the game.

Whatever... This guy is heralded as not only the greatest running back in the game but by some the greatest player. IMO the greatest player even at 80% should have a major impact on the game. As much as i'm not a fan of Rivers he gave a gutsy performance on a knee that will need surgery. This is 2 weeks in a row that the chargers PR staff has told reporters he was able to return...

This was a game where the Pats were ripe for the picking... But the best player in the game sat on the sidelines looking like Ricky Williams while his team fell short. I actually found this act of his sad to watch.

[yavoon]

Whatever... This guy is heralded as not only the greatest running back in the game but by some the greatest player. IMO the greatest player even at 80% should have a major impact on the game. As much as i'm not a fan of Rivers he gave a gutsy performance on a knee that will need surgery. This is 2 weeks in a row that the chargers PR staff has told reporters he was able to return...

This was a game where the Pats were ripe for the picking... But the best player in the game sat on the sidelines looking like Ricky Williams while his team fell short. I actually found this act of his sad to watch.

yah but if he can't cut, he wont be LT. and its a playoff game, everyone says they will return. if a patriots player became an amputee he would be listed as "questionable."

[TheDave]

yah but if he can't cut, he wont be LT. and its a playoff game, everyone says they will return. if a patriots player became an amputee he would be listed as "questionable."


If this guy doesn't need surgery... Then he pulled a b**** move IMO. A sprained ligament does not keep you from "Being able to cut"... it's in his head. This is the AFC championship you shoot it, tape it, , and play.


If it turns out this was a serious injury and requires surgery I'll gladly reevaluate my opinion.

[broncolife]

I remember Portis hurting us in the playoffs because he played hurt. We should have played Q instead who tore up the colts that year.

[Popps]

Too bad for LT he got stuck on a perennial pretender like the Doltz.

Anyway, back to obscurity, Charger-fans. You're once-a-decade flash in the pan has come and gone.

Not to worry though. There are still a few organizations in pro sports that haven't won a championship. You're not completely alone.

[dsmoot]

I remember Portis hurting us in the playoffs because he played hurt. We should have played Q instead who tore up the colts that year.

Sometimes the most courageous decision that an injured player can make is to acknowledge that his backup can bring more to the game than he can. We admire the John Wayne attitude (Rivers) but only LT knows how limited he was not us.

[epicSocialism4tw]

That sounds like someone who doesn't play hurt... I realize we have been spoiled by some warriors at RB (hell Olandis played an entire half without an ACL) but damn that just makes him sound gutless.

I think that this sparks an interesting discussion concerning Terrell Davis, who by all accounts put on an historic display of toughness in the Superbowl.

Terrell Davis was a transcendent player who could carry a team.

Tomlinson is a fantasy football all-timer.

Which one of those deserves the hall of fame?

[bro1ncos]

The part that bothered me about LT wasn't that he was hurt. He has played through injuries in the past, so I won't doubt his toughness. He claims to be a leader on the Chargers, but leaders don't sit on the bench the entire game, part of it with his helmet on. A true leader would have been up trying to encourage his teammates, trying to help Turner with the small stuff, and trying to be part of the team, not sitting on the bench feeling sorry for himself.

[epicSocialism4tw]

If this guy doesn't need surgery... Then he pulled a b**** move IMO. A sprained ligament does not keep you from "Being able to cut"... it's in his head. This is the AFC championship you shoot it, tape it, , and play.


He chose to prolong his career.

Not that you can blame him for looking out for number one, but that philosophy doesnt jive with greatness.

[Northman]

He chose to prolong his career.

Not that you can blame him for looking out for number one, but that philosophy doesnt jive with greatness.


Thats the only thing i can think of as too why he stayed on the bench. But, as most players learn the opportunities of getting to the Super Bowl dont happen often unless your already a Dynasty ala Pats. You just never know how a season will play out and if you have a opportunity to play and dont, well than you have passed it up. LT might regret this if he never reaches the Super Bowl.

[Cito Pelon]

I'm very suprised LT did not play in this game. He had an MR that was negative and practiced all week... seems strange.

Well, you can read about it here:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/index.html

It's just a shame the Chargers couldn't score a couple TD's. I would have loved to see SD deny the cheaters an AFC Title.

[Cito Pelon]

Definitely. I really start to wonder about his toughness after today. Hell, if Rivers can go out there and play on a bad stick than why cant LT. Maybe LT was trying to see if Rivers can back up his talk and forced him to win it on his own. Ha!

To be effective a back like LT has to be able to move, no? A pocket QB doesn't need his wheels all that much, it's just a matter of dealing with the pain. LT tried, and the decision was made that Turner would be more effective. Really, what's the point in playing a guy that won't be as effective as the next guy?

[Punisher]

Too bad for LT he got stuck on a perennial pretender like the Doltz.

Anyway, back to obscurity, Charger-fans. You're once-a-decade flash in the pan has come and gone.

Not to worry though. There are still a few organizations in pro sports that haven't won a championship. You're not completely alone.

:thumbsup: LOL nice cheap shot...

[Bronx33]

Iam sorry but this i just a blowjob by a writer iam all fine with LT knee hurting but the sitting a pouting was just wrong.

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. – LaDainian Tomlinson could see daylight, but he could not see his way clear.

His left knee would not allow it. When he beckoned, it balked. When he moved, it moaned. When he caught a short pass in the fifth minute of yesterday's AFC Championship Game, the Chargers' two-time NFL rushing champion was forced out of bounds and, simultaneously, out of action.

“I just didn't have it,” Tomlinson said later, having traded his uniform for a pinstriped suit. “It wasn't going to cooperate, and I didn't have (any) burst. ... You're helpless. You can't help your team at all. I'm kind of at a loss for words.”

LT didn't have to speak, really, for the afternoon's anguish was all but etched on his face. The Chargers had a chance to ruin New England's season-long pursuit of perfection yesterday, to stun the sports world and advance to the Super Bowl, but they were forced to subsist on field goals in the absence of football's foremost touchdown-maker and fell to Bill Belichick's 18-0 Patriots, 21-12.

Cause and effect? That much is speculation. Yet if the Chargers were not wondering “What if?” as they left Gillette Stadium, it was because their wounds were too fresh and hypothetical questions too hard to bear. Suffice it to say that the Chargers had not failed to score at least one touchdown in any game since 2002, and that Tomlinson's 5 rushing yards (on two carries) represented the lowest output of his career.

The Chargers had characterized the injury Tomlinson sustained last week in Indianapolis as a hyperextended knee, and team officials may have created some false hope among fans by omitting LT from their official injury report Friday. Yet Tomlinson said yesterday the injury was originally diagnosed as a sprained medial collateral ligament, and that the tenderness returned with “the first lick” the Patriots applied.

Tomlinson would participate in only four of the Chargers' 60 offensive plays. Though reserve running backs Michael Turner and Darren Sproles combined for 99 yards on 20 carries, neither man can match Tomlinson's broad range of skills or his knack for negotiating narrow openings near the end zone.


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“Obviously, with LT in there, it is truly run or pass,” Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers said. “You never really know. ... With Michael (Turner) and Sproles – it's not a giveaway, but it's a little bit of: Sproles is in there, we're probably throwing it and (with Turner) vice versa.

“You've got to be a little more choosy when it's Michael and Darren. Whereas with LT, pretty much any play can go. But I think that would be a crazy reason to think that's why we didn't score down there. It was a matter of execution.”

Chargers wide receiver Chris Chambers blamed himself for running the wrong end-zone pass route on the play immediately preceding the first of Nate Kaeding's four field goals. Rivers credited Patriots linebacker Tedy Bruschi with an extraordinary deflection on a second-quarter goal-line pass to tight end Antonio Gates.

Yet three of the four Kaeding field goals followed first downs inside New England's 20-yard line – football's “red zone” – and the Chargers' ground game produced only 3 yards on four carries in that prime field position.

With 9:22 remaining in the third quarter, and the Chargers 4 yards from a go-ahead touchdown, Chargers coach Norv Turner called a timeout and designated tackle Jeromey Clary as an eligible receiver.

Patriots linebacker Junior Seau, the renowned San Diego restaurateur, decided to disregard the strategic ploy and seized the initiative with a daring penetration of the line of scrimmage. In “shooting the gap,” a trademark gambit previously prized by Chargers fans, Seau reached Turner unblocked on the third-and-1 play and stopped him for a 2-yard loss.

Kaeding's fourth field goal trimmed New England's lead to 14-12, but it made for a meager consolation prize. Though Patriots quarterback Tom Brady would throw three interceptions during the game, it's tough to beat an undefeated team without touchdowns.

“It was crucial that we had those red-zone stops,” Bruschi said. “I mean, when you hug your coach after you've won the AFC championship and the first thing he says was, 'Great job in the red area,' you know it was important.”

During the regular season, the Chargers scored 28 touchdowns in the red zone, and Tomlinson had at least one hand in half of them. He ran for 11 touchdowns from inside opponents' 20-yard line, made two TD receptions and threw one scoring pass to Gates. He was, and has been, football's best all-purpose back.

Because Tomlinson poses multiple threats, his value is probably greatest near the goal line. The closer an offensive unit moves toward the end zone, the less territory a defense must defend. As the field becomes more compressed and densely populated, the player who can run, catch and throw can significantly expand a team's options.

No player is irreplaceable, but LT comes close.

“Injuries are injuries,” he said. “Sometimes your body tells you it ain't going to happen. You've got to listen to your body sometimes. Obviously, I want to play, but if I did try to play, I would have been hurting the team because I didn't have any explosiveness and I wouldn't have been myself.”

Tomlinson said he did not think his knee was the difference in the game, that “we've proved to be able to score points without me, throwing the football.” But you have to wonder.

And now, you have to wait.

[Cito Pelon]

Again, it was too bad the Chargers couldn't score two TD's. Too bad LT didn't play much. On the one hand, he was hurt and the thinking was his backup could be more effective. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of guys tank in big games because they figured they just couldn't win and didn't want to try in a losing effort. There's gonna be a lot of "if's" and "but's" about this 21-12 game for a long time.

[Bronx33]

Again, it was too bad the Chargers couldn't score two TD's. Too bad LT didn't play much. On the one hand, he was hurt and the thinking was his backup could be more effective. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of guys tank in big games because they figured they just couldn't win and didn't want to try in a losing effort. There's gonna be a lot of "if's" and "but's" about this 21-12 game for a long time.


This display is going to follow LT bigtime.

[Bronx33]

Ok this is just funny ( i had to share )

From a bolt board...


QUESTION: Then why not be a cheerleader, or a leader period, instead of just sitting there wrapped up like a burrito? He might as well have changed into street cloths and gone home?

He looked like a guy (this week and last week) who didn't care if his team won or lost if he wasn't playing.



CHARGERFANS RESPONSE Did it ever occur to you it was a ploy by Turner so the Pats wouldn't know he couldn't go back in?


LOL

[Bronco LB 59]

Nobody knows for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tomlinson (there's only one LT #56) sat himself to perserve his long-term well being. He's going to be a threat to break every career rushing record and those milestones might mean more to him than risking it all on one game for the ultimate team success.

[Bronx33]

Nobody knows for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tomlinson (there's only one LT #56) sat himself to perserve his long-term well being. He's going to be a threat to break every career rushing record and those milestones might mean more to him than risking it all on one game for the ultimate team success.


All those records and no rings Ha!

[Punisher]

Ok this is just funny ( i had to share )

From a bolt board...


QUESTION: Then why not be a cheerleader, or a leader period, instead of just sitting there wrapped up like a burrito? He might as well have changed into street cloths and gone home?

He looked like a guy (this week and last week) who didn't care if his team won or lost if he wasn't playing.



CHARGERFANS RESPONSE Did it ever occur to you it was a ploy by Turner so the Pats wouldn't know he couldn't go back in?


LOL

LMAO a burrito oh man thats classic stuff :~ohyah!: :~ohyah!:

[Los Broncos]

Does anyone think since he couldn't play he should of been encouraging his teammates instead of sulking on the beach?

[Punisher]

I dont care how hurt you our it might be the last game of the season also one game away from the super bowl..If i was L.T i would of played on a broken back.

[gunns]

Does anyone think since he couldn't play he should of been encouraging his teammates instead of sulking on the beach?

I was wondering that during the game. For awhile I thought he was coming back in but even then I was wondering why he wasn't up and cheering his teammates on. It's beginning to look a little self centered.....

Oh and congrats to the NY Giants....for getting the best of that 2004 first round draft.

[Los Broncos]

I was wondering that during the game. For awhile I thought he was coming back in but even then I was wondering why he wasn't up and cheering his teammates on. It's beginning to look a little self centered.....

Oh and congrats to the NY Giants....for getting the best of that 2004 first round draft.

I thought he was suppose to be the leader of that team.

Leaders do everything they can to help their team win.

Even if they cant be on the field, maybe im just grasping at straws.

[Punisher]

I was wondering that during the game. For awhile I thought he was coming back in but even then I was wondering why he wasn't up and cheering his teammates on. It's beginning to look a little self centered.....

Oh and congrats to the NY Giants....for getting the best of that 2004 first round draft.

Yea not to put ELI down anybody with any QB skills can take a NFC team to the super bowl..

[jossjeff]

Unfortunately, I think Rivers has completely gained the respect of his teammates. The guy went out and played on one leg and kept his team in it. I thought he was impressive. I still hate the hillbilly SOB, but....


Exactly.

Dude may be an ass but he showed something on Sunday.

[jossjeff]

Incidently the backlash against L.T. is laughable.

[Punisher]

Exactly.

Dude may be an ass but he showed something on Sunday.

LMAO your a raiders fan thats a shame

[Arkansas Bronco]

The media is a trip on this, LT got hurt plain and simple. Dude has plaid with injury's several times in his carrier and this one was just to pane full to through. Then you got jokes like Deon calling him out, Deon doesnt know anything about physical contact how the **** can he call him out. Its a shame the way everyone is busting on him, all he did is got hurt at the wrong time.

[Bronx33]

The media is a trip on this, LT got hurt plain and simple. Dude has plaid with injury's several times in his carrier and this one was just to pane full to through. Then you got jokes like Deon calling him out, Deon doesnt know anything about physical contact how the **** can he call him out. Its a shame the way everyone is busting on him, all he did is got hurt at the wrong time.


Sitting on the sidelines pouting was the problem (stand the f*** up and support) the teammates on the field it's nothing new heck even soccer players know that a prime example was rivers when his defense was on the field and LT was slingin snot.

[Bronx33]

Ohhh Boy does KSK tear LT a new one.

Link
(http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2008/01/nothing-douche-can-stay.html)

[TheDave]

The media is a trip on this, LT got hurt plain and simple. Dude has plaid with injury's several times in his carrier and this one was just to pane full to through. Then you got jokes like Deon calling him out, Deon doesnt know anything about physical contact how the **** can he call him out. Its a shame the way everyone is busting on him, all he did is got hurt at the wrong time.

Leave LT alone...;)

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[Bronx33]

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[Northman]

The media is a trip on this, LT got hurt plain and simple. Dude has plaid with injury's several times in his carrier and this one was just to pane full to through. Then you got jokes like Deon calling him out, Deon doesnt know anything about physical contact how the **** can he call him out. Its a shame the way everyone is busting on him, all he did is got hurt at the wrong time.


This was just painful to read. As i stated before, LT could of at least played in goal line situations. And Deon can call him out because he knows what it takes to get a Super Bowl ring. LT getting injured isnt the problem that people have. The problem is he practiced all week as if he was going to play, he showed no emotion or support for his team the entire game, and Rivers who had a far more substantial injury and yet still found the guts to play. If LT was as hurt as HE claimed than he should of been in street clothes and not practicing all week. This is really the first time that LT has faced adversity regarding a injury and he chose to play it safe when his team needed him the most.

[Punisher]

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LMAO oh man thats some funny ****

[Bronx33]

This was just painful to read. As i stated before, LT could of at least played in goal line situations. And Deon can call him out because he knows what it takes to get a Super Bowl ring. LT getting injured isnt the problem that people have. The problem is he practiced all week as if he was going to play, he showed no emotion or support for his team the entire game, and Rivers who had a far more substantial injury and yet still found the guts to play. If LT was as hurt as HE claimed than he should of been in street clothes and not practicing all week. This is really the first time that LT has faced adversity regarding a injury and he chose to play it safe when his team needed him the most.


Speaking of "Neon" Deion Sanders...

I nearly peed my pants listening to this

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[Northman]

Speaking of "Neon" Deion Sanders...

I nearly peed my pants listening to this

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LOL


Willie Beamon and his invisible juice. Ha!

[boltaneer]

This was just painful to read. As i stated before, LT could of at least played in goal line situations. And Deon can call him out because he knows what it takes to get a Super Bowl ring. LT getting injured isnt the problem that people have. The problem is he practiced all week as if he was going to play, he showed no emotion or support for his team the entire game, and Rivers who had a far more substantial injury and yet still found the guts to play. If LT was as hurt as HE claimed than he should of been in street clothes and not practicing all week. This is really the first time that LT has faced adversity regarding a injury and he chose to play it safe when his team needed him the most.

He reinjured his knee on the first play. Assuming he was 90% before the game, it went down to a much lower percentage from there. 50% 40%? Whatever it was, he just didn't have the burst anymore.

Remember, LT said he wanted to come back in at least sparingly and Norv decided to keep him on the bench. This is what everyone is conveniently ignoring.

I agree that it would have been nice to see him be 'rah rah' on the sidelines though. But I'm a huge LT fan and honestly it didn't really bother me.

[TheDave]

I agree that it would have been nice to see him be 'rah rah' on the sidelines though. But I'm a huge LT apologist and honestly it didn't really bother me.

Fixed it for you... :thumbs:

[Northman]

He reinjured his knee on the first play. Assuming he was 90% before the game, it went down to a much lower percentage from there. 50% 40%? Whatever it was, he just didn't have the burst anymore.

There is no way that LT was 90% going into this game if he got hurt on a standard tackle. No way.

Remember, LT said he wanted to come back in at least sparingly and Norv decided to keep him on the bench. This is what everyone is conveniently ignoring.

LT is the face and leader of that team. If he really wanted to play in that game he could of told the coach that and been in there. Instead, he was content on sitting on the bench.

I agree that it would have been nice to see him be 'rah rah' on the sidelines though. But I'm a huge LT fan and honestly it didn't really bother me.


It should bother you. He has an entire hissy fit when the Pats supposedly disrespect them in their house and now you have the chance to not only beat the only unbeaten, but go to the big dance and yet your not cheering for your teamates? Give it up man.

[Bronx33]

He reinjured his knee on the first play. Assuming he was 90% before the game, it went down to a much lower percentage from there. 50% 40%? Whatever it was, he just didn't have the burst anymore.

Remember, LT said he wanted to come back in at least sparingly and Norv decided to keep him on the bench. This is what everyone is conveniently ignoring.

I agree that it would have been nice to see him be 'rah rah' on the sidelines though. But I'm a huge LT fan and honestly it didn't really bother me.


Well that's just really really really sparingly. LOL

[400HZ]

This was just painful to read. As i stated before, LT could of at least played in goal line situations.
I'm sure he could of, but why would Norv want him in there if he can't play at a high level. A 100% Michael Turner is better than a 50% LT, so what's the point of putting LT in?

And Deon can call him out because he knows what it takes to get a Super Bowl ring.

Deion doesn't know anything about contact or taking hits. "Tackling is for linebackers", right Deion? Shut the eff up about stuff you know nothing about.

LT getting injured isnt the problem that people have. The problem is he practiced all week as if he was going to play, he showed no emotion or support for his team the entire game, and Rivers who had a far more substantial injury and yet still found the guts to play. If LT was as hurt as HE claimed than he should of been in street clothes and not practicing all week. This is really the first time that LT has faced adversity regarding a injury and he chose to play it safe when his team needed him the most.

LT played the second half of 2005 with broken ribs. You think that hurt at all? He's played hurt before. Listen, this argument is asinine. A sprained knee is a FOUR week injury. LT had ONE week. He toughed it out practicing throughout the week and hoped to play on Sunday. How are you critisizing him for that? He went in and realized that he couldn't get it done. He tried. There's a reason that Michael Turner got a $2.35 million dollar tender last year.

[Inkana7]

Deion doesn't know anything about contact or taking hits. "Tackling is for linebackers", right Deion? Shut the eff up about stuff you know nothing about.
I wasn't aware you had an NFL career. Got any stories? I'm assuming you practice what you preach.

[Northman]

I'm sure he could of, but why would Norv want him in there if he can't play at a high level. A 100% Michael Turner is better than a 50% LT, so what's the point of putting LT in?

Why even suit up to begin with? Stupid argument on your part.

Deion doesn't know anything about contact or taking hits. "Tackling is for linebackers", right Deion? Shut the eff up about stuff you know nothing about.

I wasnt talking about his tackling, i was talking about his motivation for Championship rings. STFU if you dont know how to read.


LT played the second half of 2005 with broken ribs. You think that hurt at all? He's played hurt before. Listen, this argument is asinine. A sprained knee is a FOUR week injury. LT had ONE week. He toughed it out practicing throughout the week and hoped to play on Sunday. How are you critisizing him for that? He went in and realized that he couldn't get it done. He tried. There's a reason that Michael Turner got a $2.35 million dollar tender last year.

So he can play with something broken but cant play with a sprain? Hilarious!

By the way Doc, how many weeks is Rivers injury? Just asking. Hilarious!

[400HZ]

I wasn't aware you had an NFL career. Got any stories? I'm assuming you practice what you preach.

Heh, I bet I took more hits during my HS football glory years than Deion did during his pro days. He has no business commenting on LT.

[Bronx33]

Heh, I bet I took more hits during my HS football glory years than Deion did during his pro days. He has no business commenting on LT.


I agree but LT needed to get of his a** and atleast act like he cared even rivers did it (your suppose to)

[400HZ]

Why even suit up to begin with? Stupid argument on your part.



I wasnt talking about his tackling, i was talking about his motivation for Championship rings. STFU if you dont know how to read.




So he can play with something broken but cant play with a sprain? Hilarious!

By the way Doc, how many weeks is Rivers injury? Just asking. Hilarious!

Well genious, a broken rib doesn't affect your acceleration or cutback ability. It just hurts.

On one hand you critisize him for suiting up and trying to play. On the other hand, you call him out for not playing once he figured out that he's be worthless in the game.

[vancejohnson82]

the problem is not the simple fact that LT sat out...it was that he sat there and moped while the season was on the line...he didnt show one iota of emotion for his teammates and i dont remember him even interacting with them during the entire game

hes a whiner...

[TheDave]

Well genious,


Irony alert...:spit:

[Bronx33]

the problem is not the simple fact that LT sat out...it was that he sat there and moped while the season was on the line...he didnt show one iota of emotion for his teammates and i dont remember him even interacting with them during the entire game

hes a whiner...

I agree that it would have been nice to see him be 'rah rah' on the sidelines though. But I'm a huge LT fan and honestly it didn't really bother me.


Well it appears not being a good teammate is ok with some chugger fans.

[Northman]

Well genious, a broken rib doesn't affect your acceleration or cutback ability. It just hurts.

On one hand you critisize him for suiting up and trying to play. On the other hand, you call him out for not playing once he figured out that he's be worthless in the game.


Im not on him because he suited up. Im merely pointing out that if he wasnt well enough to even take a regular tackle than he should of not dressed for the game. As for the broken rib, it may not affect acceleration or cutback but it does effect your downfield running between the tackles which can be VERY painful. Having broken ribs makes it painful to even breathe. And again, he could of easily been in for goal line situations which doest require cutting back. And seeing as how Turner was ineffective in that regard he would of been useful. And considering the ramifications of that particular game and everything involved i do question his motivation and heart. Especially considering he was sitting on the bench doing nothing to support his team in one of the biggest games of the year.

[400HZ]

Irony alert...:spit:

I might not be able to spell or do basic arithmetic, but I do know the difference between a knee and a rib injury.

[Bronx33]

I might not be able to spell or do basic arithmetic, but I do know the difference between a knee and a rib injury.

How about a supportive teammate and a sissy sitting under his helmet? any difference?

[400HZ]

Im not on him because he suited up. Im merely pointing out that if he wasnt well enough to even take a regular tackle than he should of not dressed for the game. As for the broken rib, it may not affect acceleration or cutback but it does effect your downfield running between the tackles which can be VERY painful. Having broken ribs makes it painful to even breathe. And again, he could of easily been in for goal line situations which doest require cutting back.

He could have been, but what would the point be? I think you're getting hung up trying to compare his situation to Terrell Davis'. Davis made a good decoy because he had been ripping the Packers up in the first part of the game. LT came in and it was painfully obvious that he wasn't himself. I really doubt that a decoy act would have been an effective ruse.

[400HZ]

How about a supportive teammate and a sissy sitting under his helmet? any difference?

I made my comments about that in a different thread.

[boltaneer]

Well it appears not being a good teammate is ok with some chugger fans.

LT could have been playing sitting on the bench or he could have grabbed some pom poms and screamed "ONE PLAY AT A TIME" up and down the sidelines like Marty did but in the end it wouldn't affected the outcome of the game. The guys on the field had to execute.

I'll say it again, I would have preferred him being a cheerleader but it didn't happen so there's nothing anyone can do about it now.

I love these arguments. They never go anywhere. Each side keeps saying the same thing over and over, back and forth and no one actually pays attention to what the other is saying. Some people just can't resist taking a shot a person/player whenever they get a chance and that's just unfortunate.

[Northman]

He could have been, but what would the point be? I think you're getting hung up trying to compare his situation to Terrell Davis'. Davis made a good decoy because he had been ripping the Packers up in the first part of the game. LT came in and it was painfully obvious that he wasn't himself. I really doubt that a decoy act would have been an effective ruse.

Davis? Im not talking about LT being a decoy. Im talking about LT just running straight into the endzone. If cutting back was one of his issues regarding his knee he wouldnt have to worry about that plowing straight through on the goal line. I wasnt talking about him being a decoy. LT said he could be used sparingly in the game and that was a situation that would have benefited him and the team without putting too much pressure on the knee.

[Northman]

LT could have been playing sitting on the bench or he could have grabbed some pom poms and screamed "ONE PLAY AT A TIME" up and down the sidelines like Marty did but in the end it wouldn't affected the outcome of the game. The guys on the field had to execute.

I'll say it again, I would have preferred him being a cheerleader but it didn't happen so there's nothing anyone can do about it now.

I love these arguments. They never go anywhere. Each side keeps saying the same thing over and over, back and forth and no one actually pays attention to what the other is saying. Some people just can't resist taking a shot a person/player whenever they get a chance and that's just unfortunate.

Yea, you've never done that before. Ha! LOL

[400HZ]

Davis? Im not talking about LT being a decoy. Im talking about LT just running straight into the endzone. If cutting back was one of his issues regarding his knee he wouldnt have to worry about that plowing straight through on the goal line. I wasnt talking about him being a decoy. LT said he could be used sparingly in the game and that was a situation that would have benefited him and the team without putting too much pressure on the knee.

If we're talking about running straight ahead, would you rather have a 215 pound LT or a 240 pound Michael Turner?

[Bronx33]

LT could have been playing sitting on the bench or he could have grabbed some pom poms and screamed "ONE PLAY AT A TIME" up and down the sidelines like Marty did but in the end it wouldn't affected the outcome of the game. The guys on the field had to execute.

I'll say it again, I would have preferred him being a cheerleader but it didn't happen so there's nothing anyone can do about it now.

I love these arguments. They never go anywhere. Each side keeps saying the same thing over and over, back and forth and no one actually pays attention to what the other is saying. Some people just can't resist taking a shot a person/player whenever they get a chance and that's just unfortunate.


Sure they go somewhere you're just choosing to avoid the truth (all my point is) LTs commitment to his teammates is limited and it's not a very good trait for a (teammate) IMO if this were my RB i would be pissed! and it was in the divisional playoffs to boot! last years tantrum was just the tip of this guys iceberg and to follow it up he sit on the bench and does nothing to help his team vs the pats. (i see more LT shows next season) stay tuned.

[boltaneer]

Yea, you've never done that before. Ha! LOL

Who have I taken a shot at before?

[boltaneer]

Sure they go somewhere you're just choosing to avoid the truth (all my point is) LTs commitment to his teammates is limited and it's not a very good trait for a (teammate) IMO if this were my RB i would be pissed! and it was in the divisional playoffs to boot! last years tantrum was just the tip of this guys iceberg and to follow it up he sit on the bench and does nothing to help his team vs the pats. (i see more LT shows next season) stay tuned.

Show me where I said that I was happy with LT sitting on the bench. I said multiple times now that I would have preferred him doing the rah rah thing. It just doesn't bother me that much because I think this is another instance of something being blown way out of proportion and in the end it didn't affect the outcome of the game.

And I still to this day loved LT calling out the Pats for dancing on the logo. You just wouldn't understand unless it happened to you.

[sixtimeseight]

If we're talking about running straight ahead, would you rather have a 215 pound LT or a 240 pound Michael Turner?

215 lb LT, not close.

[Bronx33]

Show me where I said that I was happy with LT sitting on the bench. I said multiple times now that I would have preferred him doing the rah rah thing. It just doesn't bother me that much because I think this is another instance of something being blown way out of proportion and in the end it didn't affect the outcome of the game.

And I still to this day loved LT calling out the Pats for dancing on the logo. You just wouldn't understand unless it happened to you.

From a previous post:

I agree that it would have been nice to see him be 'rah rah' on the sidelines though. But I'm a huge LT fan and honestly it didn't really bother me.

It's my understanding here that you would have preferred LT get off his a** and support his team but then state your such a huge fan (it really doesn't matter to you) if he does or he doesn't stand up and support his teammates (it's kinda of confusing) but you said it.


Again my point is (it should bother you) hes suppose to be a leader on (your) team and the last time i checked a leader supports his team win or lose he leads by example. So based on that criteria LT is not a very good leader/example i really don't see what has being blown out of proportion.

Further clarification:

1-Did LT sit on the bench the whole game yes or no?

If you answer yes then we can conclude LT pouted on the bench the whole game instead of sucking it up and doing what a (good) teammate does and that is support the team on the field.

If you answered no then your pretty much clueless and this conversation is over.

More clarification:

2- Did he support his team on the field during this game?

If you answered no (which was the correct answer BTW) we can reference the above explanation and come the the general consensus that LT is showing the classic signs of a spoiled teammate with poor leadership skills.

Now remember i think LT is one hell of a RB and possesses great running skills but lacks basic team leader skills and this has been proved 2 years running. LT can either fix this or he will unpopular himself right off this team (if he already hasn't) next year will tell i guess.

[richpjr]

Further clarification:

1-Did LT sit on the bench the whole game yes or no?

If you answer yes then we can conclude LT pouted on the bench the whole game instead of sucking it up and doing what a (good) teammate does and that is support the team on the field.

If you answered no then your pretty much clueless and this conversation is over.


Actually the correct answer is - nobody knows. That is, unless you were at the game watching the sideline, you have no clue. Your entire argument is based on a couple of quick sideline shots. You have no clue how much, or little, he was walking around on the sideline. He did work with the trainers and talk to Norv on occasion during the game so already part of your argument if flawed.


More clarification:

2- Did he support his team on the field during this game?

If you answered no (which was the correct answer BTW) we can reference the above explanation and come the the general consensus that LT is showing the classic signs of a spoiled teammate with poor leadership skills.



So you are positive that at no point did he talk to anyone at all? Again, pure speculation based on a few sideline shots.


Now remember i think LT is one hell of a RB and possesses great running skills but lacks basic team leader skills and this has been proved 2 years running. LT can either fix this or he will unpopular himself right off this team (if he already hasn't) next year will tell i guess.

What exactly has been proven? You have formed an opinion on his frustrations after last year's playoff loss and a few sideline shots. If you read any of the articles yesterday or today where his teammates have spoken out in amazement about people questioning his heart, it doesn't jive with what you are saying. He was also just voted the team's MVP and offensive player of the year yesterday, not something that would happen if his teammates were down on him.

[Bronx33]

Hmmm rewatching tivo: everytime the camera was on him which was alot (he was on the bench) he was talking to nobody and (nobody was talking to him) that's all i know and saw. He wasn't supporting his team (we all saw that)

Quit making excuses for the guy.

[Northman]

If we're talking about running straight ahead, would you rather have a 215 pound LT or a 240 pound Michael Turner?


I would want the best RB currently in football who has a nose for the endzone. Even though Turner is good he is not LT. Especially around the goal line.

[400HZ]

I would want the best RB currently in football who has a nose for the endzone. Even though Turner is good he is not LT. Especially around the goal line.

That's true, but why is that? He makes moves that make defenders look dumb and uses his amazing onfield vision to attack anywhere along the line where a defender has blown a responsibility. On a bum knee, that's all straight out he window.

[richpjr]

That's true, but why is that? He makes moves that make defenders look dumb and uses his amazing onfield vision to attack anywhere along the line where a defender has blown a responsibility. On a bum knee, that's all straight out he window.

I agree 400. The idea that LT with a bad knee is more effective than Turner is just not logical. It's even more ludicrous to hear how people think his teammates are turning on him or questioning his commitment.

[Bronx33]

I agree 400. The idea that LT with a bad knee is more effective than Turner is just not logical. It's even more ludicrous to hear how people think his teammates are turning on him or questioning his commitment.


Nobody said anything about his teammates turning on him and yes his commitment is in question iam not really sure what you saw but i saw a team leader hiding under a helmet pouting on the bench.

Heck even the loudmouth deion sanders saw him sitting on his a**.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8062e5b0

[Northman]

That's true, but why is that? He makes moves that make defenders look dumb and uses his amazing onfield vision to attack anywhere along the line where a defender has blown a responsibility. On a bum knee, that's all straight out he window.

Yes, he can make shifty moves but im talking about his running through the gaps with a very good SD Oline. Rich came back and said that Turner would be better but we saw what happened there didnt we? Even with a healthy Turner he couldnt make the shifty moves to get a first down let alone a TD. So i stand by my point that LT (banged up or not) is still better than Turner running straight through the Oline around the Goal line which is what the Chargers needed desperately in that game.

[broncolife]

I had no problem with LT not playing. People have different pain thresholds. I pretty sure the Chargers told him to say he was around 90% so the other team had to prepare for him. They would have been stupid not too. The only problem I have is him doing a Brian Griese (sitting on the bench by himself)

[broncolife]

Nobody said anything about his teammates turning on him and yes his commitment is in question iam not really sure what you saw but i saw a team leader hiding under a helmet pouting on the bench.

Heck even the loudmouth deion sanders saw him sitting on his a**.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8062e5b0

TD seemed to be defending LT

[Northman]

Wow, didnt know that Deon played on a TORN mcl. Guess the lack of toughness of Deon argument is out the window.

[epicSocialism4tw]

. On a bum knee, that's all straight out he window.

More like a bum heart.

[richpjr]

I heard an interview with Mark Schlereth on the radio this morning and he was laughing at the thought of Deion Sanders ever questioning a player's toughness since he avoided contact at all costs. He also said he talked to TD about it and they both thought it was ridiculous to think that LT could be more effective than his backups with his knee. He brought up something TD once said about playing with leg injuries - "They call it running back, not hobble back" and thought it was very selfless for LT to try than to stay in the game and hurt the team if he can't cut back. Take it for what it's worth, but he scoffed at people questioning LT's heart.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I heard an interview with Mark Schlereth on the radio this morning and he was laughing at the thought of Deion Sanders ever questioning a player's toughness since he avoided contact at all costs. He also said he talked to TD about it and they both thought it was ridiculous to think that LT could be more effective than his backups with his knee. He brought up something TD once said about playing with leg injuries - "They call it running back, not hobble back" and thought it was very selfless for LT to try than to stay in the game and hurt the team if he can't cut back. Take it for what it's worth, but he scoffed at people questioning LT's heart.

We all know that Schlereth is the most intelligent, reputable source out there when it comes to diagnosing injuries and evaluating what it takes to be a running back.

If the doc said it was cool, it was cool.

That's unless he had another injury, like sprained testicles.

[Xenos]

Here's a lesson for everyone here. Don't just buy into what the media shows you. They have a tendency to be bias and try to get a big story out of nothing. After all, according to them, the Patriots aka "God's team" is the best team ever.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20080123-9999-1s23chnotes.html

Tomlinson turmoil
LaDainian Tomlinson was clearly stunned by the criticism of his not playing more than four snaps in the Chargers' AFC Championship Game loss Sunday. But he did not lash out at the people who are ripping him for letting his team down.

“I don't have big expectations and high hopes in people,” he said. “I know how they change. I'll just keep on going and see what they say next year. If we win the championship next year, we'll see then.”

One thing that was evidently not noticed by the national media or fans complaining about Tomlinson's demeanor on the sideline Sunday is that he was standing up most of the times when the offense was on the field and was talking on the bench with Michael Turner when the defense was on the field.

“I was definitely depressed,” he said. “But I was there for guys.”

[Xenos]

People also don't realize how selfless LT was for stepping down. He played in some meaningless game when he was injured especially in 2005, so I doubt he just decided to stop playing in a championship game if it was a small injury. The truth of the matter is that he felt he was going to be a hindrance to his team if he played, so he put aside his pride and competitiveness for the good of the team.

I assure you that he would be playing if his backups didn't consist of Michael Turner and Darren Sproles. Heck, after what happened in the Colt's game, he probably felt even more assured in his decision about letting them play in his place.

[400HZ]

Wow, didnt know that Deon played on a TORN mcl. Guess the lack of toughness of Deon argument is out the window.

Deon missed half a season because of a turf toe.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Deon missed half a season because of a turf toe.

That's about right.

I guarantee that he would have played on it in an NFC Championship game, though.

[Inkana7]

Deon missed half a season because of a turf toe.

Turf toe is a bitch. Don't knock it until you've had it. You can't play corner at a high level with turf toe.

[boltaneer]

Turf toe is a b****. Don't knock it until you've had it. You can't play corner at a high level with turf toe.

And you can't play RB at high level with a sprained knee.

Ask Adrian Peterson.

[Xenos]

Once again people, you have to not only take into account the injury but the capable backups as well. Did Orlandis Gary have capable backups that were the equivalent of Turner and Sproles?

Also, people keeping talking about that 3rd and 1 play, and how LT could have gotten that extra yard. Unfortunately, it was just a bad play call by Norv. He should have had the oline Power O it instead of having the guard pull. LT with his injury would not have been able to avoid Junior on that play.

[Xenos]

I'll post it again since no one seemed to have noticed it the first time

Here's a lesson for everyone here. Don't just buy into what the media shows you. They have a tendency to be bias and try to get a big story out of nothing. After all, according to them, the Patriots aka "God's team" is the best team ever.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...23chnotes.html

Tomlinson turmoil
LaDainian Tomlinson was clearly stunned by the criticism of his not playing more than four snaps in the Chargers' AFC Championship Game loss Sunday. But he did not lash out at the people who are ripping him for letting his team down.

“I don't have big expectations and high hopes in people,” he said. “I know how they change. I'll just keep on going and see what they say next year. If we win the championship next year, we'll see then.”

One thing that was evidently not noticed by the national media or fans complaining about Tomlinson's demeanor on the sideline Sunday is that he was standing up most of the times when the offense was on the field and was talking on the bench with Michael Turner when the defense was on the field.

“I was definitely depressed,” he said. “But I was there for guys.”

[theAPAOps5]

“I don't have big expectations and high hopes in people,” he said. “I know how they change. I'll just keep on going and see what they say next year. If we win the championship next year, we'll see then.”



Sounds like he is feeling the heat. That was a zing to his fans who are questioning and to the people slamming him. Pretty defensive statement if you ask me. Again I give him a pass because 95% of the time he is a class act. The other 5% is against the Pats so more power to him. I wondered about his injury and toughness but I just don't see him being a pre madonna and worrying about next year.

[Xenos]

Sounds like he is feeling the heat. That was a zing to his fans who are questioning and to the people slamming him. Pretty defensive statement if you ask me. Again I give him a pass because 95% of the time he is a class act. The other 5% is against the Pats so more power to him. I wondered about his injury and toughness but I just don't see him being a pre madonna and worrying about next year.
I doubt it. He only "appeared" to change this year because the media is scrutinizing his every move under a microscope after last season and what he said about NE after the game. Plus, like I just said, it's good to make mountains out of mole hills in order to sell a story.

[sixtimeseight]

One thing that was evidently not noticed by the national media or fans complaining about Tomlinson's demeanor on the sideline Sunday is that he was standing up most of the times when the offense was on the field and was talking on the bench with Michael Turner when the defense was on the field.

Damn, he must have had some cat-like quickness to be able to sprint over to the bench to sit and pout whenever he knew the camera was going to be on him, but then get up to cheer on his teammates the second the camera left him.

[Northman]

Deon missed half a season because of a turf toe.

Whats that got to do with a mcl? LT had a sprained mcl and Deon had a torn mcl and Deon played on it. And before you start saying that LT needs to be able to cutback and accelerate just remember playing corner you need to be able to react to a recievers route running at a split second. So its no walk in the park for either of them but yet one played through it. I guess you cant take off the homer glasses at all eh?

[boltaneer]

The feeling I get from Charger boards, sports talk radio and the general feeling around here is that there are a few who seem disappointed or angry at LT for not playing through the injury but the vast majority of Charger fans think he did the right thing for the team by letting a healthy Turner and Sproles play.

To me, this whole story is something coming out of the national media. They've been finding every little reason to slam the Chargers this season so this is nothing new and doesn't surprise me at all. I don't really understand why they seem to have this agenda, other than they really got burned for ripping the Chargers for dumping Marty and hiring Norv. Watching Norv suceed this season has really eaten at a lot of sportswriters and media types. Even now, some still won't give Norv and the Chargers the accolades that they deserve.

[bronco militia]

LMAO!

how did Mcfarlane know?

http://trus.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pG01-3607103dt.jpg

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2651563

[bronco militia]

Even if kids spend the overwhelming majority of their time with video games, it's not for a lack of realistic toys to play with. Take, for example, this fine toy tableau of LaDainian Tomlinson seated comfortably on Charger blue pine. Clearly, this is the regular season edition, missing as it does the puffy coat and dark visor. The sullen expression is well articulated, though. Leave it to Spawn creator Todd McFarlane to capture that so flawlessly. He knows from angst.

[400HZ]

Whats that got to do with a mcl? LT had a sprained mcl and Deon had a torn mcl and Deon played on it. And before you start saying that LT needs to be able to cutback and accelerate just remember playing corner you need to be able to react to a recievers route running at a split second. So its no walk in the park for either of them but yet one played through it. I guess you cant take off the homer glasses at all eh?

It has to do with Deion not being in a position to question anybodies toughness. I mentioned the turf toe thing because a tough player, as Sanders claims to be, wouldn't miss 7 or 8 weeks of the season with an injury that takes a month or so for most players to recover from. Yet he sits there critisizing LT for not bouncing back from a 4 week injury in 1. And it's not just injuries. How many games did Neon Deion finish without a single stain on his jersey? The majority, at least.

I don't remember ever hearing about Deion tearing his MCL. Maybe my memory sucks, but as self appreciating and self publicized as he was, it's weird that I can't remember. Does anybody have a news article, or even remember this? I DO remember one of his famous and well publicized "toughing it out games" in the 1999 playoffs when Randy Moss and Jeff George beat him like a drum en route to a blowout. Deion Sanders hurt his team by playing that day, which is what LaDainian Tomlinson was trying to avoid on Sunday.

[Northman]

To me, this whole story is something coming out of the national media. They've been finding every little reason to slam the Chargers this season so this is nothing new and doesn't surprise me at all. I don't really understand why they seem to have this agenda, other than they really got burned for ripping the Chargers for dumping Marty and hiring Norv. Watching Norv suceed this season has really eaten at a lot of sportswriters and media types. Even now, some still won't give Norv and the Chargers the accolades that they deserve.


You've got to be kidding me? :rofl:


The media hasnt been searching for a story with the Chargers as it is San Diego giving them the ammunition to do so. Dumping Marty has proven to be a wash at this point as the Chargers still have not gotten to the Super Bowl. The whole thing with Rivers is Rivers acting like a child on the sideline which is of his fault and nobody else. And now with the LT thing its once again on the Chargers and nobody else. The media is not picking on the Chargers, the Chargers bring it all on themselves at this point. Dumping a coach after he goes 14-2 is asinine and any franchise who would do that would get the same scrutiny.

[richpjr]

I don't remember ever hearing about Deion tearing his MCL. Maybe my memory sucks, but as self appreciating and self publicized as he was, it's weird that I can't remember. Does anybody have a news article, or even remember this? I DO remember one of his famous and well publicized "toughing it out games" in the 1999 playoffs when Randy Moss and Jeff George beat him like a drum en route to a blowout. Deion Sanders hurt his team by playing that day, which is what LaDainian Tomlinson was trying to avoid on Sunday.

You don't remember it because it never happened. Deion Sanders never played on a torn torn MCL, he played with a torn medial meniscus. There is a BIG difference between a damaged ligament and damaged cartilage.

http://www.news-star.com/stories/020800/spo_deion.shtml

[400HZ]

Sanders didn't even have any serious knee injuries reported.

<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>2007 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle colSpan=4>No injuries to report at this time</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>2005 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>1/2/2005 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>foot </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (1/2) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/18/2005 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>Thigh </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (9/18) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>2004 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/19/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>strained hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>Day-to-Day </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/26/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (9/26) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/4/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (10/4) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/10/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (10/10) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/14/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>foot </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (11/14) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/21/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>foot </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (11/21) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/28/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>foot </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (11/28) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/5/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>foot </TD><TD align=middle>Doubtful (12/5) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/12/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>foot </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (12/12) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/19/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>foot </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (12/19) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/26/2004 </TD><TD align=middle>CB </TD><TD align=middle>foot </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (12/26) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>2000 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/18/2000 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>ankle </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (9/18) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/8/2000 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>back </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (10/8) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/15/2000 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>back </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (10/15) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/26/2000 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>knee </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (11/26) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>1999 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>1/2/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>toe </TD><TD align=middle>Doubtful (1/2) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/12/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>toe </TD><TD align=middle>Doubtful (9/12) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/20/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>toe </TD><TD align=middle>Doubtful (9/20) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/3/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Toe </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (10/3) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/24/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>ankle </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (10/24) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/24/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>concussion </TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/8/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (11/8) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/14/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (11/14) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/14/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>groin </TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/21/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>hamstring/groin </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (11/21) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/25/1999 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>hamstring/groin </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (11/25) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>1998 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/15/1998 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Toe injury </TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/22/1998 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>toe </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (11/22) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/22/1998 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Reaggravated sprained toe </TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/26/1998 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Toe </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (11/26) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/6/1998 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>toe </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (12/6) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/13/1998 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>toe </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (12/13) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/20/1998 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>toe </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (12/20) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/27/1998 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>toe </TD><TD align=middle>out (12/27) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>1997 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/7/1997 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>back </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (9/7) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/15/1997 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Back </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (9/15) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/8/1997 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>ribs </TD><TD align=middle>Doubtful (12/8) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/14/1997 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>rib </TD><TD align=middle>out (12/14) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/21/1997 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>rib </TD><TD align=middle>out (12/21) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>1996 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>9/2/1996 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>SHOULDER </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (9/2) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/20/1996 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Ankle </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (10/20) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/27/1996 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Ankle </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (10/27) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/15/1996 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Back </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (12/15) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/22/1996 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Back </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (12/22) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/28/1996 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Back </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (12/28) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>1995 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>1/7/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Chest cold </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (1/7) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/8/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Ankle </TD><TD align=middle>out (10/8) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/15/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Ankle </TD><TD align=middle>Doubtful (10/15) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/29/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Ankle </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (10/29) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/6/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (11/6) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/12/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (11/12) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/19/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Hamstring </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (11/19) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/3/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Groin </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (12/3) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>12/10/1995 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Groin </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (12/10) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE class=bgBdr cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bgHdr1><TD colSpan=4>1994 Injuries</TD></TR><TR class=bgHdr2 align=middle><TD width="25%">Date</TD><TD width="25%">Position</TD><TD width="25%">Injury</TD><TD width="25%">Status</TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/16/1994 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Groin </TD><TD align=middle>(10/16) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>10/23/1994 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Strained left hip muscle </TD><TD align=middle>questionable (10/23) </TD></TR><TR class=bgC><TD align=middle>11/20/1994 </TD><TD align=middle>LOT </TD><TD align=middle>Dislocated finger </TD><TD align=middle>Probable (11/20) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[400HZ]

You don't remember it because it never happened. Deion Sanders never played on a torn torn MCL, he played with a torn medial meniscus. There is a BIG difference between a damaged ligament and damaged cartilage.

http://www.news-star.com/stories/020800/spo_deion.shtml


Interesting.

[Northman]

You don't remember it because it never happened. Deion Sanders never played on a torn torn MCL, he played with a torn medial meniscus. There is a BIG difference between a damaged ligament and damaged cartilage.

http://www.news-star.com/stories/020800/spo_deion.shtml


Either way there is still a big difference between a damaged cartilage and sprain. Worlds of difference.

[richpjr]

Either way there is still a big difference between a damaged cartilage and sprain. Worlds of difference.

You are correct and since they are so different, it's pointless to even compare them.

[Northman]

You are correct and since they are so different, it's pointless to even compare them.


No its not. Their both knee injuries with one being more severe than the other. And it goes back to Deon playing on a worse injury. Ha!

[RaiderH8r]

Wow, let me see if I've got this straight.

Philip Rivers-Plays w/out ACL=Eats rocks and craps gunpowder.
Tomlinson-Sits with a knick to his knee=selfless hero sacrificing personal glory in AFC title game for betterment of team.

The bottom line is Tomlinson's a chump. He had a shot at glory and pissed it away because he skinned his knee. And don't give me that, "if you ain't had it then blah blah blah" BS. I was grunting around on offensive and defensive lines where your best day was if you only had a sprained knee. And don't give me that "couldn't cut back" crapiola either. If a grunt can toss around his girth plus that of whomever he's got in his grill, a RB can find a way to grit his teeth and hit the f'n hole. It's a shot at the SB, you get two weeks to rest'er up...I guess he wanted a whole offseason to put bactine on his knee and wash the sand out of his vagina.

Terrell Davis=All world crotch rocking Hall of Fame gamer RB.

And that's all that ever needs to be said about that.

[Pendejo]

The feeling I get from Charger boards, sports talk radio and the general feeling around here is that there are a few who seem disappointed or angry at LT for not playing through the injury but the vast majority of Charger fans think he did the right thing for the team by letting a healthy Turner and Sproles play.

To me, this whole story is something coming out of the national media. They've been finding every little reason to slam the Chargers this season so this is nothing new and doesn't surprise me at all. I don't really understand why they seem to have this agenda, other than they really got burned for ripping the Chargers for dumping Marty and hiring Norv. Watching Norv suceed this season has really eaten at a lot of sportswriters and media types. Even now, some still won't give Norv and the Chargers the accolades that they deserve.

What exactly do they deserve?

Also what's your take on Hardwick whining about Seymour. That dude is a good player, but he sure likes to b!tch and moan about other teams.

[epicSocialism4tw]

LMAO!

how did Mcfarlane know?

http://trus.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pG01-3607103dt.jpg

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2651563

Talk about a collectors piece.

That is unbelievable.

Players have certain plays that define their careers, and this picture will define LT's.

[richpjr]

Talk about a collectors piece.

That is unbelievable.

Players have certain plays that define their careers, and this picture will define LT's.

Keep telling yourself that. If LT were a free agent this year, there isn't a Bronco fan in the world who wouldn't be soiling himself at the thought of him coming to your team. But since he is on another team, it's target practice. But that's what fans do.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Keep telling yourself that. If LT were a free agent this year, there isn't a Bronco fan in the world who wouldn't be soiling himself at the thought of him coming to your team. But since he is on another team, it's target practice. But that's what fans do.

Sure, I'd love to have him.

But when the chips are down, I would make sure that I had a leader in there who could step up when he stepped down.

[boltaneer]

What exactly do they deserve?

Also what's your take on Hardwick whining about Seymour. That dude is a good player, but he sure likes to b!tch and moan about other teams.

I think Norv deserves a huge amount of credit for taking the Chargers to the AFC Championship. Credit for getting the Chargers over the Marty playoff hump with the win over Tennessee. Credit for beating the Super Bowl champions in their own house.

But the way the media spins it, Norv gets very little respect. It was either, they didn't beat the Titans by enough or they didn't beat the Colts... The Colts gave that game away. It was obvious that they were pissed that they wouldn't get their beloved Colts vs Patriots rematch. They gave him no chance to beat the Colts and the Patriots but he took went toe to toe with the Patriots into the fourth quarter with a hobbled team.

I thought he coached two extremely great games against the Titans and Colts. I wasn't too thrilled with a lot of his decisions in the Patriot game but he did something in one year that Marty couldn't do here in five.

As for Hardwick, I think he should just shut his mouth. Yeah, New England got away with some cheap shots in that game but just let it go. Life is hell in the trenches.

[Pendejo]

I think Norv deserves a huge amount of credit for taking the Chargers to the AFC Championship. Credit for getting the Chargers over the Marty playoff hump with the win over Tennessee. Credit for beating the Super Bowl champions in their own house.

But the way the media spins it, Norv gets very little respect. It was either, they didn't beat the Titans by enough or they didn't beat the Colts... The Colts gave that game away. It was obvious that they were pissed that they wouldn't get their beloved Colts vs Patriots rematch. They gave him no chance to beat the Colts and the Patriots but he took went toe to toe with the Patriots into the fourth quarter with a hobbled team.

I thought he coached two extremely great games against the Titans and Colts. I wasn't too thrilled with a lot of his decisions in the Patriot game but he did something in one year that Marty couldn't do here in five.

As for Hardwick, I think he should just shut his mouth. Yeah, New England got away with some cheap shots in that game but just let it go. Life is hell in the trenches.

Fair enough. On the other hand the press has been all over the Chargers the past couple of years. Touting them as "the most talented" team in the league...etc. They've gotten plenty of run in the media.

I'd think that San Diego fans would be more concerned with the team getting to the big dance before the window slams shut...than giving two sh!ts what the hacks think about them.

Re: Hardwick. The guy really is turning into a sniveler. It's interesting that he complains about Seymour punching guys in the pile...while Igor Ol"shank"sy is on his team. That guy is the epitome of dirty.

[boltaneer]

Fair enough. On the other hand the press has been all over the Chargers the past couple of years. Touting them as "the most talented" team in the league...etc. They've gotten plenty of run in the media.

I'd think that San Diego fans would be more concerned with the team getting to the big dance before the window slams shut...than giving two sh!ts what the hacks think about them.

Re: Hardwick. The guy really is turning into a sniveler. It's interesting that he complains about Seymour punching guys in the pile...while Igor Ol"shank"sy is on his team. That guy is the epitome of dirty.

Yeah, the media is up and down on the Chargers. I actually prefer it when they dog the Bolts. They seem to play better when they're flying under the radar.

I don't ever recall Igor doing anything dirty.

[theAPAOps5]

LMAO!

how did Mcfarlane know?

http://trus.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pG01-3607103dt.jpg

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2651563

Only problem is there is mud on the cleats, he only played 4 downs and it wasn't raining!

[Beantown Bronco]

Only problem is there is mud on the cleats, he only played 4 downs and it wasn't raining!

The dirt underneath him turned to mud from all his crying.

[bronco militia]

Only problem is there is mud on the cleats, he only played 4 downs and it wasn't raining!

this is the regular season addition.

look for the special playoff addition featuring the tinted eye shield and ''Darth Vader' face mask in stores soon!

[Florida_Bronco]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that maybe L.T is ready to move on? He doesn't seem to be on as good of terms with the Chargers as he used to be.

[Northman]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that maybe L.T is ready to move on? He doesn't seem to be on as good of terms with the Chargers as he used to be.

Yep. I get that feeling a lot. I think he is just biding his time.

[richpjr]

You guys crack me up. LT is under contract through the end of the 2011 season and isn't going anywhere. The Chargers roster is young, talented and has all 22 starters under contract for next season. They also have a ton of cap space to start extending their stars and have the best talent evaluating GM in the game in AJ. LT realizes what you guys are refusing to admit - that the Chargers have a very legitimate shot at a ring in the next several years.

[Punisher]

You guys crack me up. LT is under contract through the end of the 2011 season and isn't going anywhere. The Chargers roster is young, talented and has all 22 starters under contract for next season. They also have a ton of cap space to start extending their stars and have the best talent evaluating GM in the game in AJ. LT realizes what you guys are refusing to admit - that the Chargers have a very legitimate shot at a ring in the next several years.

Ok i guess you wasnt reading the thread no one said the bolts was a bad team..L.T needs help meaning QB if yall had a good QB or a good manger theres no doubt yall will have a super bowl.But your wrong with the several years thing L.T wheels will run out in 3 more years.

[Northman]

You guys crack me up. LT is under contract through the end of the 2011 season and isn't going anywhere. The Chargers roster is young, talented and has all 22 starters under contract for next season. They also have a ton of cap space to start extending their stars and have the best talent evaluating GM in the game in AJ. LT realizes what you guys are refusing to admit - that the Chargers have a very legitimate shot at a ring in the next several years.

Not if he doesnt like his Qb. Trust me, the Chargers should of at the VERY least made a Super Bowl appearance by now and you can already tell LT is getting frustrated waiting for the team to take the next step. If it doesnt happen REAL soon he will want to get out of dodge just like a certain Mr. Seau. And seeing how Indy and New England wont be dropping off anytime soon it could be a long wait for you guys.

[richpjr]

Not if he doesnt like his Qb. Trust me, the Chargers should of at the VERY least made a Super Bowl appearance by now and you can already tell LT is getting frustrated waiting for the team to take the next step. If it doesnt happen REAL soon he will want to get out of dodge just like a certain Mr. Seau. And seeing how Indy and New England wont be dropping off anytime soon it could be a long wait for you guys.

Here we go again with the LT doesn't like Rivers nonsense. Since you seem to base this on the TV shot where LT got off the bench should we look at the Cutler meltdown on the sideline where he tossed his helmet and wouldn't talk to the coaches as the start of him wanting out? I mean after all, how many years will he want to waste as a Bronco when the offensive line keeps getting worse and worse? See how easy it is to make mountains out of molehills?

[boltaneer]

Is anyone else getting the feeling that maybe L.T is ready to move on? He doesn't seem to be on as good of terms with the Chargers as he used to be.

I don't get that feeling at all and I haven't felt that vibe from other Charger fans or any type of local media.

[Muddled]

TD has LTs back

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jim_trotter/01/23/tomlinson/index.html

[400HZ]

Not if he doesnt like his Qb. Trust me, the Chargers should of at the VERY least made a Super Bowl appearance by now and you can already tell LT is getting frustrated waiting for the team to take the next step. If it doesnt happen REAL soon he will want to get out of dodge just like a certain Mr. Seau. And seeing how Indy and New England wont be dropping off anytime soon it could be a long wait for you guys.

Indy? San Diego doesn't have to wait for them to drop off.

New England? Well for one, they probably will drop off some since they have an older roster. Secondly, if the Chargers get another crack at them next year and have a better break on the injury front, it's a whole new ballgame. There's nobody in San Diego sitting back scared to play them again.

I'm not sure who does your research for you, but Seau didn't demand a trade out of SD and LT hasn't even remotely hinted at anything like that either. He signed a 6 year extension when the Chargers still sucked. I realize that your assessments are clouded by negative sentiment towards a rival, but that doesn't mean that you need to make stuff up or draw completely implausible conclusions from halfassed information to converse.

[Northman]

Here we go again with the LT doesn't like Rivers nonsense. Since you seem to base this on the TV shot where LT got off the bench should we look at the Cutler meltdown on the sideline where he tossed his helmet and wouldn't talk to the coaches as the start of him wanting out? I mean after all, how many years will he want to waste as a Bronco when the offensive line keeps getting worse and worse? See how easy it is to make mountains out of molehills?


Totally different senarios Rich, come on. I know your not this stupid. This Denver team is in a process of growing and rebuilding. While the Chargers already have the players in place and should be getting at LEAST to the dance. A frustrated young Qb on a team that has a lot of room to grow is nothing and expected. A veteran RB who has been on a SB quality football team for the last 4 years is continuing to get frustrated and pouty about not getting there. All im saying is, you better hope he gets there in the next couple of years or he will force a trade. Its pretty obvious if you take the homer glasses off and look at his behavior objectively.

[Northman]

Indy? San Diego doesn't have to wait for them to drop off.

New England? Well for one, they probably will drop off some since they have an older roster. Secondly, if the Chargers get another crack at them next year and have a better break on the injury front, it's a whole new ballgame. There's nobody in San Diego sitting back scared to play them again.

I'm not sure who does your research for you, but Seau didn't demand a trade out of SD and LT hasn't even remotely hinted at anything like that either. He signed a 6 year extension when the Chargers still sucked. I realize that your assessments are clouded by negative sentiment towards a rival, but that doesn't mean that you need to make stuff up or draw completely implausible conclusions from halfassed information to converse.


Seau didnt demand a trade, instead he retired and then signed back on with a winning franchise who is most likely about to win a Super Bowl this year. All this while help beating a franchise he spent most of his career with. Now, if Seau truly believed that he could get it done in SD dont you think he would of signed back on there? Hilarious!

[BroncoBen]

Unfortunately, I think Rivers has completely gained the respect of his teammates. The guy went out and played on one leg and kept his team in it. I thought he was impressive. I still hate the hillbilly SOB, but....

Well I thought he hurt his team by trying to be SuperMan... what do the Chargers think? A 50% Rivers is better than a 100% Billie Volek? Give me a break... The Chargers success is based on their line play, both on offense and defence.

[Paladin]

Ya know, knees of RBs go fast and unexpectedly. So do other skills. LT is not getting younger or better. He's on the downhill side. Not saying he's full done yet, but he is closer to being done than he was last year.........

So, year 2 of the three year cycle is over..........

[6future6]

Anybody seen the chargers schedule next year??? They wont need LT or Miss Rivers outside of NE and IND...(and us???) their sched is so weak.

[400HZ]

Seau didnt demand a trade, instead he retired and then signed back on with a winning franchise who is most likely about to win a Super Bowl this year. All this while help beating a franchise he spent most of his career with. Now, if Seau truly believed that he could get it done in SD dont you think he would of signed back on there? Hilarious!

Seau was traded as part of the get young/rebuild stage in San Diego. He retired as an honorary Charger or whatever last year, but New England had a pressing need for linebackers and made him a deal. I don't believe that any of this has bearing on what he thinks of the Chargers or their chances of winning in the future.

[boltaneer]

Seau wanted to be a starter when he signed with the Patriots. He would have been a backup here and with the inside linebackers the Chargers had at the time (Edwards, Godfrey, Cooper Wilhelm), I don't think there was any interest or room for him on the team.

Things worked out great for him. He got starting time and now is in the Super Bowl. Junior is a still a great guy in the community here. I'm happy for him for finally making it to the big game.

[Northman]

Seau wanted to be a starter when he signed with the Patriots. He would have been a backup here and with the inside linebackers the Chargers had at the time (Edwards, Godfrey, Cooper Wilhelm), I don't think there was any interest or room for him on the team.

Things worked out great for him. He got starting time and now is in the Super Bowl. Junior is a still a great guy in the community here. I'm happy for him for finally making it to the big game.


When the hell did you become a Charger fan? He made it to the big game in 95. Ha!

[boltaneer]

When the hell did you become a Charger fan? He made it to the big game in 95. Ha!

You got me. ;) I know he played on the 94 Charger team but this time he has a real shot at winning. The 94 Chargers were a Cinderella team. They had nowhere near the talent that the 49ers did that year.

Anyway, I don't see any way the Patriots lose to the Giants. I think Seau gets his ring.

[Black96WS6]

I think LT realizes his window is closing. Not specifically the Chargers' window, but his. You only get so many shots. Some never even get to a Championship game!

And regardless of what some of the other Charger fans on here think, I saw that LT-Rivers exchange back when Rivers came over and sat down, and LT immediately looked at him in disgust, got up and walked away.

I mean seriously, spin that however you want, but he knew who sat down. He knew who he was looking at.

Can you blame him? Rivers was and still is going through his growing pains, and during that game, against a top 5 D, he was playing terrible the first 3 quarters. And LT was tired of it. He was probably thinking "man, how many more games of this do I have to go through until Rivers finally gets consistent?"

Rivers was playing like CRAP for most of that game, and when he came over to sit down after another unsuccessful series, LT let him know he wasn't happy with his sub-par play.

[Northman]

And regardless of what some of the other Charger fans on here think, I saw that LT-Rivers exchange back when Rivers came over and sat down, and LT immediately looked at him in disgust, got up and walked away.

I mean seriously, spin that however you want, but he knew who sat down. He knew who he was looking at.




EXACTLY. It doesnt mean that LT is going to hold a grudge but i do think he doesnt trust Philip both on and off the field. LT knows he has a limited window to get to the dance and get a ring. And he doesnt want to put his faith into a Qb who plays inconsistent and behaves like a moron on the sideline in the process.

[Northman]

You got me. ;) I know he played on the 94 Charger team but this time he has a real shot at winning. The 94 Chargers were a Cinderella team. They had nowhere near the talent that the 49ers did that year.

Anyway, I don't see any way the Patriots lose to the Giants. I think Seau gets his ring.


Its all good, i actually rooted for the Chargers then. Whatever happened to the team i used to like? Hilarious!

[That One Guy]

EXACTLY. It doesnt mean that LT is going to hold a grudge but i do think he doesnt trust Philip both on and off the field. LT knows he has a limited window to get to the dance and get a ring. And he doesnt want to put his faith into a Qb who plays inconsistent and behaves like a moron on the sideline in the process.

I think he just enjoys his "greatest ever" discussion too much and it's alot easier to get into the HOF with rings on your fingers, and alot easier to be the best ever once you've made the HOF. If LT lead his team to a SB win but destroyed his knee on the last play and never played again, he'd be in TD territory on the HOF. If LTs career ends on the first carry next year, I don't think he carries the same weight. He needs that ring to be the best ever.

[Northman]

I think he just enjoys his "greatest ever" discussion too much and it's alot easier to get into the HOF with rings on your fingers, and alot easier to be the best ever once you've made the HOF. If LT lead his team to a SB win but destroyed his knee on the last play and never played again, he'd be in TD territory on the HOF. If LTs career ends on the first carry next year, I don't think he carries the same weight. He needs that ring to be the best ever.


True but i do believe that LT ACTUALLY wants to win a championship. I think some players just go out there for a paycheck but some guys really do want that ring. But you do bring up a interesting point regarding his future as a Hall of Famer. Depending on what records he breaks if he never gets a ring he may not ever get into the Hall.

[That One Guy]

True but i do believe that LT ACTUALLY wants to win a championship. I think some players just go out there for a paycheck but some guys really do want that ring. But you do bring up a interesting point regarding his future as a Hall of Famer. Depending on what records he breaks if he never gets a ring he may not ever get into the Hall.

You don't get to this point in the game without wanting to be a winner, I have no doubt he wants that ring. I also think that when the day ends, LT is #1 in LTs heart and mind. You can only ask your team to do their best and if you just can't get it done, that is what it is. Short of the team having a better backup, when would anyone ever show the animosity toward a player playing subpar that LT showed toward Rivers? He may not be doing well but usually you'll get a "we just couldn't get it done" type comment. LTs body language toward Rivers at the time was clearly "we're doing well but you're f-ing it up for everyone" and that doesn't sound like a team first guy, that sounds like an "I deserve to win" kind of attitude that's self oriented.