Philip Rivers listed as doubtful for this Sunday's game.

[HEAV]

By Kevin Acee
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

11:56 a.m. January 18, 2008

Philip Rivers' knee injury is more severe than what has been described by the Chargers, and the quarterback has been listed as doubtful for Sunday's AFC Championship Game.
Sources told The San Diego Union-Tribune today the quarterback also has a partially torn anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee in addition to the sprained medial collateral ligament the team has made known.



Rivers practiced today and is still expected to test the knee Sunday morning to determine whether he can play against the New England Patriots.
“It'll be day-to-day,” General Manager A.J. Smith said. “We're going down the same road as (Antonio) Gates.” Gates played Sunday at Indianapolis after a pre-game workout to test his dislocated big toe, but was largely ineffective. He also has been listed as doubtful for this Sunday's game.

Rivers was on the practice field this morning for the first time this week, wearing a brace on his right knee. There was no brace on his left knee, on which he has played the past 5½ games with a sprained MCL. During the portion of practice open to the media, he threw passes with the first team.

“It always falls on the player,” Smith said. “The doctors and medical people do so much. The coach and general manager are on the outside. The ultimate decisions is the player's – unless he physically can't go or it will do harm for your future.”

Smith, as he always does, declined to discuss the specific injury. But he said, “We would never jeopardize any player.”

A sports medicine expert said yesterday it was possible for Rivers to play with a partial tear of his ACL.

“When you get into the category of partial tears, no one really knows,” said Dr. James Gladstone, an orthopedic surgeon and chief of sports medicine at Mt. Sinai School of Medicine. “There have been studies out there that suggest if (the ACL) is 50 percent intact, you may be OK. The only way of knowing is you play.”

Even if Rivers does play, the fact his knee is further damaged could affect how long he plays or how much trauma he can handle during the game.

It will also affect how he moves.

The ACL, which along with the PCL forms a cross at the center of the knee, works to stabilize the knee. Its health affects quick starting and stopping and change of direction.

What is not known is the severity of Rivers' tear in either his MCL or ACL. Sprains are classified in three degrees – as a stretching (first degree), partial tear (second degree) and total tear (third degree).

[TailgateNut]

Damn, I'm sorry to hear that!











































I wanted to see someone SMACK HIM IN THE MOUTH!:wiggle:

[HEAV]

I wanted to see someone SMACK HIM IN THE MOUTH!

More like his knee and twist.

[RaiderH8r]

I wanted to see someone SMACK HIM IN THE MOUTH!

More like his knee and twist.

What the hell happened to him? I saw him fall over a blade of grass, hobble around a bit, go to the sideline and talk smack to fans. So he'll be yapping at fans for the entire game from the sideline this week? Wow, this guy really does eat rocks and **** gunpowder.

[TailgateNut]

I wanted to see someone SMACK HIM IN THE MOUTH!

More like his knee and twist.


Allright, then Smack him hard enough in the MOUTH to make his knee twist!:~ohyah!:

[TailgateNut]

What the hell happened to him? I saw him fall over a blade of grass, hobble around a bit, go to the sideline and talk smack to fans. So he'll be yapping at fans for the entire game from the sideline this week? Wow, this guy really does eat rocks and **** gunpowder.


:spit:

[TheDave]

well... on the bright side this makes it easier to root for SD.

[TailgateNut]

well... on the bright side this makes it easier to root for SD.

**** that!

I want to see Rivers break his leg stomping on the ground after they loose........and I may still get my wish when he talks **** to his own teammates. One of them might just bitchslap his ass!

[TheDave]

**** that!

I want to see Rivers break his leg stomping on the ground after they loose........and I may still get my wish when he talks **** to his own teammates. One of them might just b****slap his ass!


Oooohhh... Dolts need to sign trevor pryce in the offseason

Then we can hear stories about how he "Tripped" on LT's driveway :thumbs:

[smalltowngrll]

I personally think Rivers WANTS them to lose. Then he can say it was all HIM that took them this far!

I'd love to see them win, now just so we can all know it had NOTHING to do with Rivers play!

[boltaneer]

You'd think that Rivers had done something heinous, like beat and raped a woman, kill dogs or shot someone.

It's funny how a little smack riles people up. :)

[400HZ]

You'd think that Rivers had done something heinous, like beat and raped a woman, kill dogs or shot someone.

It's funny how a little smack riles people up. :)

I heard he has an outstanding parking fine, too. Heinous!

[boltaneer]

I heard he has an outstanding parking fine, too. Heinous!

I also heard his HOA fined him for a couple of weeds in his front yard. Dirty bastard!

[Flex Gunmetal]

You'd think that Rivers had done something heinous, like beat and raped a woman, kill dogs or shot someone.

It's funny how a little smack riles people up. :)

River's is a classless ****bird. And a Charger.

Thats enough for me ;D

[400HZ]

I also heard his HOA fined him for a couple of weeds in his front yard. Dirty bastard!

Ya, I heard Skip Bayless this morning calling down fire and brimstone cuz of that. I used to like Rivers, but that really pushed me over the edge. If HOA has to get after you, you are automatically a grade A a-hole in my book. Now that I don't like him, I'm going to start convincing myself that he sucks and Billy Volek is actually carrying the team.

[When Lightning Strikes]

rivers had 3 tds and 264 yards before volek stepped in.
football is a team sport...it takes a team to win.

Rivers is a good QB. He has a mouth that gets him in trouble...but hes 24-7 as a starter in reg season, has been to the pro-bowl and has gotten to the playoffs both years as a starter, and has a winning record in the playoffs (2-1)...So with that said, YES, HE IS BETTER THAN CUTLER!!

[Flex Gunmetal]

rivers had 3 tds and 264 yards before volek stepped in.
football is a team sport...it takes a team to win.

Rivers is a good QB. He has a mouth that gets him in trouble...but hes 24-7 as a starter in reg season, has been to the pro-bowl and has gotten to the playoffs both years as a starter, and has a winning record in the playoffs (2-1)...So with that said, YES, HE IS BETTER THAN CUTLER!!

You could have avoided all that typing by making a legit point in that the chargers were better than the broncos this season.

[Hotrod]

Rivers is a dumbass

Thread closed

[Flex Gunmetal]

Rivers is a dumbass

Thread closed

HOLLA!

[Bronx33]

How did he injure himself? gramatica style?

[ColoradoBuff]

I also heard his HOA fined him for growing weed in his front yard. Dirty bastard!


There....changed it for ya!LOL

[Orange_Beard]

By not playing he will have more time to concentrate on what he is really good at, yelling at the fans.

[400HZ]

There....changed it for ya!LOL

LOL, the most hyperactive stoner ever!

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Poor Marmalard.

[Bronx33]

This is why rivers is a wound up a-hole.

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chastity?

[Los Broncos]

Man, if i had the bucks i would take the points in this one.

I'm guessing the score will be something like 30-17.

[Bronx33]

Time to jump on the

http://bp2.blogger.com/_ZzSeX2ctOaA/R497Z6YK46I/AAAAAAAABLo/o0FdAhQx9fs/s320/volektricity

wagon

[theAPAOps5]

You'd think that Rivers had done something heinous, like beat and raped a woman, kill dogs or shot someone.

It's funny how a little smack riles people up. :)

Nah most people just dislike hillbillies whose mothers are their sisters and whose dad is also their brother.

[400HZ]

Man, if i had the bucks i would take the points in this one.

I'm guessing the score will be something like 30-17.

I doubt you can still get -14.

[sixtimeseight]

I'm sure being on the sidelines won't keep him from mouthing off to fans, other players, teammates, coaches, whoever... Certainly never stopped him before, in fact it'll probably increase as he won't be accountable out on the field.

[Los Broncos]

I doubt you can still get -14.

Yeah, your probably right.

[wolf754life]

espn says he will play, get off this guy, he has scoreboard nuff said.............

[Bronx33]

espn says he will play, get off this guy, he has scoreboard nuff said.............

no

[JJJ]

I personally think Rivers WANTS them to lose. Then he can say it was all HIM that took them this far!

I'd love to see them win, now just so we can all know it had NOTHING to do with Rivers play!

The dude has hung 147 points on Denver in 4 games, average of 37 a game.

Until you beat him at least once I would stick to the "he is a trash-talking punk" angle on your arguments. At least that one has some validity.

[cutthemdown]

The dude has hung 147 points on Denver in 4 games, average of 37 a game.

Until you beat him at least once I would stick to the "he is a trash-talking punk" angle on your arguments. At least that one has some validity.

The whole NFL is feeling that way about Rivers right now. He's just a total a-hole and eventually it's going to come back to haunt Rivers and the Chargers. When you make the enough defenses hate you it will spread through the NFL. Players who haven't even played the Chargers will already hate Rivers before they even play him. Not only not like him but actually want to put him out of the game. Eventually the Broncos will improve and when they do I'm sure they will have something extra for Rivers.

The good thing about being a Bronco fan is we have a Championship under our belts and have been total crap. We waited a long time as fans to be a decent team, then we waited to have a good team, then we waited for a great team to win it all. We can easily wait the 1-2 more yrs it will take to get Cutler some better players and get the defense squared away. When that time comes the Chargers more then likely will still be a team that has never won the Superbowl. We are loyal, patient fans and we can outlast any Charger bandwagon fairies.

[JJJ]

The whole NFL is feeling that way about Rivers right now. He's just a total a-hole and eventually it's going to come back to haunt Rivers and the Chargers. When you make the enough defenses hate you it will spread through the NFL. Players who haven't even played the Chargers will already hate Rivers before they even play him. Not only not like him but actually want to put him out of the game. Eventually the Broncos will improve and when they do I'm sure they will have something extra for Rivers.

The good thing about being a Bronco fan is we have a Championship under our belts and have been total crap. We waited a long time as fans to be a decent team, then we waited to have a good team, then we waited for a great team to win it all. We can easily wait the 1-2 more yrs it will take to get Cutler some better players and get the defense squared away. When that time comes the Chargers more then likely will still be a team that has never won the Superbowl. We are loyal, patient fans and we can outlast any Charger bandwagon fairies.

There is only a 3% chance any given team wins the Superbowl any given year, so I suspect you are right.

I got no problem with the punk arguments. He opens his mouth he needs to be prepared to take the heat. No doubt likeable QBs like Favre get a few breaks and pullups after the ball is thrown from the defensive linemen and Rivers should probably expect full followthrough from charging linemen over his career. Game is hard enough, as a coach's son he should know not to bring that much extra attention in his direction. But he is what he is.

That being said he has owned the Broncos and with 27 wins in two years it is hard to argue he is not an NFL caliber QB.

[400HZ]

Yeah, your probably right.

Look what the NFL shop has for sale:
http://www.nflshop.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2992948

http://nfl.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p4413040reg.jpg
Reebok New England Patriots 2007 AFC Conference Champions Locker Room HatItem no. 2992948 $29.99



This is the sort of thing that the football gods HATE!!!

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Too bad there's nothing your team can do to stop it.

Odds are good they've made a Chargers one, as well. There's just no need to show it to the public. The boxes of them will likely be sent over to Goodwill and the poor kids in Africa like they do with all the other leftovers.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2851172&page=1&lid=abc_story&lpos=day:txt:nfl_partnership

[boltaneer]

The whole NFL is feeling that way about Rivers right now. .

Actually, I haven't seen proof of this.

Like I said before, it's the media, who is paid to stir things up and some (message board) fans, who is buying what the media tells them and complains about everything to death anyway.

Outside of Darren Sharper and Champ Bailey, which players have come out and spewed venom towards Rivers?

[gunns]

I personally think Rivers WANTS them to lose. Then he can say it was all HIM that took them this far!

I'd love to see them win, now just so we can all know it had NOTHING to do with Rivers play!

I was thinking the same thing. I'd love to see them win now.

I did want to see someone ground him in the dirt but I can wait for that next year when Denver plays them.

[Inkana7]

rivers had 3 tds and 264 yards before volek stepped in.
football is a team sport...it takes a team to win.

Rivers is a good QB. He has a mouth that gets him in trouble...but hes 24-7 as a starter in reg season, has been to the pro-bowl and has gotten to the playoffs both years as a starter, and has a winning record in the playoffs (2-1)...So with that said, YES, HE IS BETTER THAN CUTLER!!

Sounds a lot like Jake Plummer.

[yerner]

My dream is for Teddy B. to Romonowski that douchebags jaw..

That's right, I'm filled with hate today.

[smalltowngrll]

Look what the NFL shop has for sale:
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This is the sort of thing that the football gods HATE!!!


LOL

And this one too....

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[Paladin]

That second one would be as famous as the "DEWEY WINS!!!" headlines......


I am using a mouthwash after I say thsi, buyt: GO PATS!!!!!

[400HZ]

LOL

And this one too....

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OK, well the NFL shop posted the Patriot stuff first.

Edge: Chargers

[Inkana7]

If the Pats lose, I'm buying one of those shirts.

[theAPAOps5]

Please God have Rivers play. Please God have a Patriot destroy his hillbilly ass.

[wolf754life]

go chargers, defeat the evil empire

[Punisher]

there better off with billy anyway.By the way they have no chance in hell beating the pats

[Chris]

I can root for the chargers if he doesnt play

[Bronx33]

I can root for the chargers if he doesnt play


It wouldn't matter if he played or not. ;D

[TomServo]

There is only a 3% chance any given team wins the Superbowl any given year, so I suspect you are right.
elway didnt win but played in close to 1/3 of the superbowls in his time in the nfl and could have played in more....the steelers debacle in the '80s. the bills, 3(?) missed field goals and the jags debacle. that makes your 3%
chance even more impressive for our guy.

[JJJ]

elway didnt win but played in close to 1/3 of the superbowls in his time in the nfl and could have played in more....the steelers debacle in the '80s. the bills, 3(?) missed field goals and the jags debacle. that makes your 3%
chance even more impressive for our guy.

Point welll taken. Elway is top 5 alltime and in the early years had he more talent around him could have ended up with as many rings as Bradshaw. Even Bolt fans are smart enough not to try and compare our guy with Elway.

Your O'fer status of getting to SBs since Elway left is an indication how hard it is to get there without someone very special calling the shots and in the end what a stud Elway really was.

[Blueflame]

Point welll taken. Elway is top 5 alltime and in the early years had he more talent around him could have ended up with as many rings as Bradshaw. Even Bolt fans are smart enough not to try and compare our guy with Elway.

Your O'fer status of getting to SBs since Elway left is an indication how hard it is to get there without someone very special calling the shots and in the end what a stud Elway really was.

Marino was a stud and owned the record books.... but found it difficult to make it to a SB after his sophomore season... and never won one. In his last 2 playoff losses, Miami was blown out 100-10 (38-3 loss to the Broncos; 62-7 loss to the Jaguars).

[TomServo]

bronco fans cant freakin wait til the chargers and their years of top five draft pick talent falls to earth. especially their dumbass immature QB.
Charger fans seem to think this luck will last Forever.

[RMT]

poetic justice

[400HZ]

bronco fans cant freakin wait til the chargers and their years of top five draft pick talent falls to earth. especially their dumbass immature QB.
Charger fans seem to think this luck will last Forever.

Well the shoe is on the other foot now. Quit your bitchin.

[cutthemdown]

Chargers have very little chance of beating the Patriots. I doubt this yr will be special for them. I also doubt next year will be. Chargers IMO have a bunch of players on the team that are more into celebrating after every decent play then they are about doing what it takes to win the Superbowl.

[sixtimeseight]

The Chargers aren't even close to being a Super Bowl team. They won a mediocre division, got to play the worst team in the playoffs at home and then beat an overrated Colts team that they matched up well against. They are going to get destroyed by the Pats and they have no reason to think they will get any better next year. Enjoy the flash in the pan AFC Championship game, the Broncos had their own two years ago, and trust me it isn't anything to get excited about. At least we have a couple Lombardis to fall back on in the last decade or so.

[phillybroncosnut]

It doesn't matter to me if Rivers plays or not. There are still the dickwads on D , most notably Steriod Merrimen, and that alone makes it impossible to "cheer" for Sandy Eggo.

I just hope the Pats have a nice little dance after the game again this season so I can watch LT and Co cry like little girls.

I find it strange how Rivers was walking without even the slightest limp on the sidelines last week, yet, he could'nt muster up the nutsack to actually play. It's the playoffs. If it's Brady, Manning, Favre, hell, just about any other starting QB, if they can walk, they will play.
Outstanding job by Rivers charging the Colts fans after the game. He couldn't move like that on the field? Gutless, classless dirtbag!

[sixtimeseight]

God I really hope they show some good, long shots of Rivers walking out of Gillette getting taunted by all the Pats fans after they lose by 30.

[400HZ]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/alwayzsmilin/Hater.jpg

[sixtimeseight]

People actually still say "haters"? Wow, I haven't heard that one in like 5 years. I guess doughy internet nerds are a little behind the times.

edit: "Ballers"... lol, really? Is it 2002 all over again? Am I in a time warp?

[orangeatheist]

People actually still say "haters"? Wow, I haven't heard that one in like 5 years. I guess doughy internet nerds are a little behind the times.

edit: "Ballers"... lol, really? Is it 2002 all over again? Am I in a time warp?

I hate to rag on another Broncos fan...I really do. But the old geezer in me can't stand posts like this.

Yes, sixtimeseight, there was life before George W. Bush took office. Some of us were around in the last century. We remember things like Bill Haley & the Comets, Leave it to Beaver, the Beatles, M*A*S*H, Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes, Ronald Reagan, Knight Rider, Indiana Jones, the first three Star Wars movies, South Park, In Living Color, the Macarena, et al.

[400HZ]

People actually still say "haters"? Wow, I haven't heard that one in like 5 years. I guess doughy internet nerds are a little behind the times.

edit: "Ballers"... lol, really? Is it 2002 all over again? Am I in a time warp?

Haha that's my favorite insult - calling somebody an internet nerd...from the internet.

[Spider]

Knee my ass , bruised manginia ......... it went down like this .... Norv calls Rivers into his office , Rivers comes in , Norv says sit down , River sits , Norv looks at him and says we have a terrible problem ..
Norv says , My job is on the line here , and we will look like Idiots in cleats vs the pats ...
Rivers says , that isnt my problem ..
. Norv says yes it is , you ran your pie hole more then anyone else , you will look just as stupid as me .. But i have a plan that will save us both ....... Rivers lets hear it .......
Norv says ...... we tell evryone you hurt your manginia , this will be an excellent excuse ....
Rivers says , instead of my mangina lets say knee coach .....
Norv says ..... Ok but I get the window seat on the plane ride back home ...
or something to this effect

[sixtimeseight]

I hate to rag on another Broncos fan...I really do. But the old geezer in me can't stand posts like this.

Yes, sixtimeseight, there was life before George W. Bush took office. Some of us were around in the last century. We remember things like Bill Haley & the Comets, Leave it to Beaver, the Beatles, M*A*S*H, Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes, Ronald Reagan, Knight Rider, Indiana Jones, the first three Star Wars movies, South Park, In Living Color, the Macarena, et al.

huh? You seriously couldn't have made a more non-sensical post if you were typing in Mandarin. WTF are you blathering about?

[sixtimeseight]

Haha that's my favorite insult - calling somebody an internet nerd...from the internet.

Quit player hating brah.

(Is that what you people say? I can't keep up with 5 years ago speak.)

[400HZ]

Quit player hating brah.

(Is that what you people say? I can't keep up with 5 years ago speak.)

I didn't know that, but thanks for letting me know. The internet tough guy act is the way to go now? Noted! :thumbs:

[Domostick]

I didn't know that, but thanks for letting me know. The internet tough guy act is the way to go now? Noted! :thumbs:

PWNED NOOBZ

[sixtimeseight]

PWNED NOOBZ

And you are...?

[400HZ]

PWNED NOOBZ

Careful. You're treading in dangerous internet territory.

[sixtimeseight]

So 400, you still gonna be here trolling in about 5 hours, or are you going to disappear for a couple months just like last year around this time?

[Sassy]

Norv says Gates and Rivers are a go...

[400HZ]

So 400, you still gonna be here trolling in about 5 hours, or are you going to disappear for a couple months just like last year around this time?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1444211#post1444211

What's that thing that you guys like to say? STFU? I think it stands for something.

[sixtimeseight]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1444211#post1444211

What's that thing that you guys like to say? STFU? I think it stands for something.

Sorry, I guess I should have asked if you are going to make a few token **** talking posts about how the Broncos didn't make the playoffs and then disappear for a couple months.

[nickelbolt]

I personally think Rivers WANTS them to lose. Then he can say it was all HIM that took them this far!

I'd love to see them win, now just so we can all know it had NOTHING to do with Rivers play!

Small town girl with a pea sized brain.

[Spider]

Small town girl with a pea sized brain.

well most of us are still hopin for a crippling injury to rivers ......

[cutthemdown]

well most of us are still hopin for a crippling injury to rivers ......

hopin and hoping whatever it takes to see that dude split in two.

[400HZ]

Sorry, I guess I should have asked if you are going to make a few token **** talking posts about how the Broncos didn't make the playoffs and then disappear for a couple months.

I was here last year and be here this year. If the Chargers lose, I might give the guys like you a couple days to beat your chests and talk about how the Broncos are going to take back the division (like last year), but I'll be back.

[Spider]

hopin and hoping whatever it takes to see that dude split in two.

I just wish I was there when it happened ....... I would be talkin trash big time

[Spider]

I was here last year and be here this year. If the Chargers lose, I might give the guys like you a couple days to beat your chests and talk about how the Broncos are going to take back the division (like last year), but I'll be back.

Just like the common cold .......

[Spider]

you know what I hate the most about the Chargers ? I have to root for the ****ing Patriots now ......

[400HZ]

Just like the common cold .......

Exactly! :sunshine:

[Spider]

Exactly! :sunshine:
Ha! puts you right up there with a couple of Raider fans

[Bronx33]

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[Blueflame]

Small town girl with a pea sized brain.

There was no need to launch a personal attack just because she expressed an opinion. tsk tsk :unamused: :nono: :chargstin

[400HZ]

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Hahaha, well you gotta admire the enthusiasm.

[Bronx33]

Hahaha, well you gotta admire the enthusiasm.


I know i opened it and it kinda drew me in :spit: well atleast he can put that video on his grandmas fridge since hes livin in her attic.