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Northman

01-15-2008, 10:57 AM

And did you also notice the first down before that where Dallas Clark spiked the ball after catching it? Yet no flag! Wasn't that supposed to be a point of emphasis tis year?

No i didnt but if he did it should have been a flag. Anything else?

BigBad

01-15-2008, 11:24 AM

No i didnt but if he did it should have been a flag. Anything else?

The phantom hold on Weddle, the phantom p.i. on Hart. The pass interference by Indy miraculously taken back. The NFL wanted Indy-NE so bad. Sorry to ruin there plans.Hilarious!

Northman

01-15-2008, 11:39 AM

The phantom hold on Weddle, the phantom p.i. on Hart. The pass interference by Indy miraculously taken back. The NFL wanted Indy-NE so bad. Sorry to ruin there plans.Hilarious!

Is that it? Sure you dont have anything more?

boltaneer

01-15-2008, 12:04 PM

Of course it does, even if it does not give them a first down, it gives them another crack at 4th down.

No, it wouldn't have.

It was AFTER the play. Just like I said, it was similar to the Bob Sanders taunting penalty. The Colts got the ball after that taunting penalty. The Chargers didn't get to re-kick the field goal.

I don't believe in NFL conspiracy theories to make calls go all towards one team over another. There is no way the NFL wants to get caught on in a scandal like that and ruin their credibility. But there is something suspicious about a few of those completely bizarre penalties. On the other instances I think the Chargers might just have been a victim of bad luck.

I'd have to go back and watch it again but I wonder if the same official that threw the phantom PI call was the same guy who threw the holding flag on Cromartie's touchdown.

Inkana7

01-15-2008, 12:17 PM

That was holding. Sorry.

BMF Bronco

01-15-2008, 12:20 PM

I'd have to go back and watch it again but I wonder if the same official that threw the phantom PI call was the same guy who threw the holding flag on Cromartie's touchdown.

It wasn't a bad holding call, the announcers even went a step further and explained it to you conspiracy theorists after the commercial. The Indy guy had established the inside position, i.e. direct route to make the tackle, and the SD blocker grabbed him and used his hands on the jersey and shoulder pads to take that route away, thus, Holding.

Dendave

01-15-2008, 12:24 PM

"We're going to let Philip be Philip," Tomlinson said. "No one has talked to him about it, because that's the way he's always been. He's his own man, and at this point I don't think you can try to sit him down like a high school player and say, 'You shouldn't be talking like that.'"

Chargers coach Norv Turner did take certain exception to Rivers' actions in Indianapolis, where he was seen talking directly to a group of fans after the game.

"(Rivers) doesn't need to be turning around talking to some guy that has had 12 beers in the stands. He doesn't need to do that," Turner said. "But I watch the other team, too, and they make plays and they're back to back and they're jumping up and they're celebrating.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/01/15/sports/professional/chargers/24_18_571_14_08.txt

400HZ

01-15-2008, 01:30 PM

This was pretty funny:
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boltaneer

01-15-2008, 03:01 PM

It wasn't a bad holding call, the announcers even went a step further and explained it to you conspiracy theorists after the commercial. The Indy guy had established the inside position, i.e. direct route to make the tackle, and the SD blocker grabbed him and used his hands on the jersey and shoulder pads to take that route away, thus, Holding.

And you see a block like that on virtually every running play.

Nine times out of ten that "hold" doesn't get called IMO.

broncocalijohn

01-15-2008, 03:26 PM

Are you trying to say that Phillip has yet to face adversity? When we were sitting at 5-5, half the fans sitting in Qualcomm wanted his head on a platter. He was completely written off in the national media. And also, as much as I love LT, he didn't do Phil any big favors when he got pissed/looked pissed at him or whatever during the first Tennessee game this year. The dude has faced plenty of adversity this year, and whatever he's done to respond to it has worked. We've seen him when the chips are down.

Would that be 18K since half the stadium would be filled at that time? I ate tickets for the Ravens at $80 a piece. That is $12 UNDER face value. This team is riding the bandwagon almost as big as 94. Of course if they beat the Pats, you will see the bandwagon filled to compacity. At least the 94 team had some great guys like Humphries on their team.

Inkana7

01-15-2008, 03:27 PM

And you see a block like that on virtually every running play.

Nine times out of ten that "hold" doesn't get called IMO.

So you agree that it was a hold? Thanks. :)

boltaneer

01-15-2008, 03:28 PM

So you agree that it was a hold? Thanks. :)

It was a "hold", not a hold. :)

Bronx33

01-15-2008, 03:31 PM

It was a "hold", not a hold. :)

Are you a politician? ;D

Blueflame

01-15-2008, 04:12 PM

It was a "hold", not a hold. :)

It was a hold and a valid call. Yeah, sometimes players get away with it, but it was holding nonetheless.

400HZ

01-15-2008, 04:13 PM

I think the Stink man, Rock Hamilton said it best:

"I'm an expert in holding, and that was no hold."

boltaneer

01-15-2008, 05:35 PM

So It was a hold if you hate the Chargers and it wasn't a hold if you liked the Chargers.

But those impartial are not calling it a hold.

But who cares. The Bolts won anyway despite all the crap they had to overcome.

400HZ

01-15-2008, 06:07 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/marianoj/manning.jpg

Inkana7

01-15-2008, 06:12 PM

Orange_Beard

01-15-2008, 06:15 PM

The "real" headline for this game should be
"Manning gets back to losing"

400HZ

01-15-2008, 06:15 PM

boltaneer

01-15-2008, 06:17 PM

Judging from the amount of gay media I'm seeing on this thread, Chargers fans must just be orgasaming on eachother in San Diego at this great oppertunity to be found wanting.

Sheesh. I know it may be hard, since none of you have in your short, or actually, long time as San Diego Fans, but act like you've been there and just stop it with the Manning taunting. He threw for 400 yards.

Too many people have too much time on their hands. :)

But I think it's total vindication for all the disrespect the Bolts and their fans had to put up all week. Everyone in the world thought the Chargers would be a warm up game for the Colts.

I had to stop listening to all football talk from Wednesday until game time. It was just nauseating.

Inkana7

01-15-2008, 06:17 PM

Sorry Peyton. I'll stop.

Fans reflect their team, I guess.

Blueflame

01-15-2008, 06:49 PM

Too many people have too much time on their hands. :)

But I think it's total vindication for all the disrespect the Bolts and their fans had to put up all week. Everyone in the world thought the Chargers would be a warm up game for the Colts.

I had to stop listening to all football talk from Wednesday until game time. It was just nauseating.

You ain't seen disrespect yet.... for that, you'd need to visit a Pats board next Sunday night.

400HZ

01-15-2008, 07:23 PM

You ain't seen disrespect yet.... for that, you'd need to visit a Pats board next Sunday night.

You're right. I'm going to disrespect the hell out of them when SD pulls the upset. ;D

Inkana7

01-15-2008, 07:47 PM

You're right. I'm going to disrespect the hell out of them when SD pulls the upset. ;D

There is where you upset the Karma. You thought that because SD was an underdog last week you can say that, but last week you were saying "Maybe, possibly, with the cards lined up." NOW, you're saying they WILL pull the upset.

The Karma Gods are not pleased.. :P

400HZ

01-15-2008, 07:56 PM

There is where you upset the Karma. You thought that because SD was an underdog last week you can say that, but last week you were saying "Maybe, possibly, with the cards lined up." NOW, you're saying they WILL pull the upset.

The Karma Gods are not pleased.. :P

Relax man, it's just jibba jabba. If you think that I'm in any way confident of a Charger victory this weekend, then you are mistaken. It's just easy to stay loose when your team is 14 point dogs. Like they kept saying on TV today, the Bolts are playing with house money.

Rigs11

01-16-2008, 06:28 PM

Big-mouth Rivers

A while back, Philip Rivers was seen on the sidelines toward the end of a Chargers’ victory over the Denver Broncos, jawing at some opponents.

On Sunday, he was seen at the end of San Diego’s victory over the Colts, taunting some Indianapolis fans.

What’s up with that?

It’s never a good idea for any player to establish a reputation as a trash talker, because it creates the impression that that player is a jerk. And such a reputation tends to stick like a tattoo and follow someone along throughout his career.

But it’s especially absurd for someone like Rivers to start acting like Muhammad Ali when he hasn’t accomplished as much as Laila Ali.

The jury is still way, way out on Rivers. He did an exceptional job – before he got hurt Sunday – in leading his team this far. He should let his accomplishments speak for themselves, pay his dues, maybe even take a cue from Tom Brady on how to behave in public.

But hurling barbs at opposing players and fans at this stage of his career? That might be the worst read this quarterback has ever made.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14400754/?pg=4&#spt_trash_talk

BMF Bronco

01-16-2008, 06:37 PM

and now olshanski and merroid are getting into the **** talk.

400HZ

01-16-2008, 06:38 PM

Rivers' honesty refreshing, but many don't want to hear it
Jan. 16, 2008
By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
Tell Gregg your opinion!

Freeman: Oh, shut up
This is what we do. We gripe and we b**** about the way things ought to be, but then when we get what we want, we gripe and we b**** about that.

Roger Clemens is one example. For three whole weeks after the Mitchell report came out and accused him of using steroids, Clemens said nothing. And we griped. And we b****ed. We said, "Why is Clemens quiet? He must be guilty."

Where so many people see obnoxious, Doyel sees a confident, everyman athlete. (Getty Images)
So Clemens ended his silence and said he was innocent. And we called him a liar!

Which brings me to the topic at hand, a topic that has me so flabbergasted that I've begun this column on Philip Rivers with a couple paragraphs about Roger Clemens. That's ridiculous, but so is the premise that Rivers is a jerk and a reason not to embrace the San Diego Chargers this week as they prepare to take on New England.

Look, NFL fans. You can embrace the Chargers or not. I don't care. But to use Philip Rivers as a reason, as an excuse, not to support San Diego? That's asinine.

This is one of the more fun guys in the NFL. He's everything we say we want in a professional athlete. He talks to the media and says what's on his mind. He shows unscripted emotion on the field. He pumps his fist and flaps his gums. He's a professional football player, and you can tell how much fun he's having.

And so we b**** and we gripe. Why? Because Rivers isn't like everybody else. Never mind that we've already b****ed and griped about athletes who are boring and talk in clichés and act aloof and seem to be playing for nothing more than a paycheck. Like Eli Manning. Never mind that we resent those guys for making football look like a miserable burden.

Here comes Philip Rivers, and he has some nerve -- he's nothing like those guys! Who does he think he is?

This is personal for me. Just a little bit. When Rivers played at North Carolina State from 2000-03, I covered the Wolfpack for The Charlotte Observer. I covered most every game he played. I attended most of his press conferences. I saw him interact with media and coaches and teammates, and let me tell you something: Philip Rivers is no different now than he was in college. And he was awesome in college. Awesome on the field, but awesome off it, too.

Some quarterbacks lead because of their position on the field. Rivers led because of his attitude. Here he was, the best player on the team and one of the best players in the country, and he had zero pretense. He was just this goofy, fearless, fiery kid from Alabama.

He'd say anything. One day during his true freshman season, after he had thrown for more than 1,000 yards in his first three starts, the media was asking him about being ranked among national passing leaders. Rivers said what an 18-year-old with any sincerity would have said. He said he checked the stats every week because he couldn't believe that was his name -- Philip Rivers! -- listed alongside great quarterbacks like Florida State's Chris Weinke and Purdue's Drew Brees.

Rivers is the same way now. He'll say or do stuff that any of us would say or do if we had the guts and the chance. Against Baltimore earlier this season, Rivers and the San Diego offense was booed off the field after a three-and-out. The game was at home. It was the Chargers' first series of the first quarter. And the crowd was booing? Already? Rivers looked into the crowd and could be seen mouthing the words, "Oh, shut up." That made headlines, and not good ones. Because people like to gripe and b****.

People are stupid. At Indianapolis, Rivers left the playing area after the third quarter because of a knee injury. Colts fans could be seen taunting him as he headed for the tunnel. Rivers could be seen smiling and mouthing the words, "Thank you." After the Chargers' victory, when Rivers threw those taunts back into the crowd's face, he was called a jerk.

In sum, fans who taunt an injured player are OK. Injured player who taunts back is not. That's not the logic of a rational person. That's the logic of a message board gone haywire.

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As for that showdown with Denver quarterback Jay Cutler earlier this season, when Rivers was spotted yelling at him after a Cutler incompletion on fourth down late in a Broncos loss, I don't know what to tell you. I wasn't there. I've not talked to Cutler. Rivers admits he was saying stuff to Cutler, but says Cutler had been saying stuff first. Maybe they have a personal rivalry. Maybe Cutler had been talking trash all game to the San Diego defense, and Rivers was sticking up for his teammates. Maybe Rivers let the thrill of victory override good sportsmanship.

Whatever happened that day between Rivers and Cutler, I can live with it. The corporate NFL has long been mocked as the No Fun League, but Philip Rivers is fun in a way most of us ought to be able to relate. He's fiery and raw. He comes off as unpolished, and probably will come off as unpolished a decade from now.

If you want veneer, look elsewhere. Rivers isn't dating supermodels like Tom Brady or starlets like Tony Romo (Rivers was married and a father in college). He's not running the 40-yard dash in 4.4 seconds or killing dogs like Michael Vick. He's not crediting God for his team's victories like Jon Kitna. He's not a boring drone like Carson Palmer. He's not Matt Hasselbeck who seems like Damon Huard who seems like Matt Schaub.

Philip Rivers isn't like any of them. You know who he's like? He's kind of like us.

Maybe that's the problem.

sixtimeseight

01-16-2008, 06:41 PM

I like when that guy on NFL Live started calling him Ryan Leaf Jr. It's so true.

Cleo McDowell

01-16-2008, 07:11 PM

funny.

SDRaiderH8er

01-16-2008, 11:29 PM

I like when that guy on NFL Live started calling him Ryan Leaf Jr. It's so true.

Funny Ryan Leaf never went anywhere, and Philip is playing for the AFC Championship in just his second year as a starter. Philip has never gone ballistic on a reporter, and you guys are sitting here crying about a Quarterback who shows he wants to win!

What do you guys have?

Sassy

01-16-2008, 11:42 PM

Funny Ryan Leaf never went anywhere, and Philip is playing for the AFC Championship in just his second year as a starter. Philip has never gone ballistic on a reporter, and you guys are sitting here crying about a Quarterback who shows he wants to win!

What do you guys have?

After this weekend...whiny, pouting Charger fans...:P

DHallblows

01-16-2008, 11:43 PM

Leaf never went anywhere because he played for an awful team that wasn't loaded with talent and able to make him look like a star (see Rivers). They had the wonderful ability to show him for what he actually was. An immature, awful qb

And to answer your question: Jay Cutler

DHallblows

01-16-2008, 11:43 PM

And what Sassy said

400HZ

01-17-2008, 12:06 AM

And Phil Simms defends Rivers too !

http://www.chargers.com/news/headlin...alks-plays.htm (http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/rivers-talks-plays.htm)
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Former Giants quarterback Phil Simms, who will broadcast Sunday’s AFC Championship Game between the Chargers and Patriots on CBS, has one simple reaction when he sees the way the national media is picking apart Philip Rivers’ psyche this week.

“Thank God they didn’t cover the NFL the way they do now when I played because who knows what I was saying to people,” said Simms.

Rivers has been a hot topic on talk shows and in papers of late after cameras have caught him talking to opposing fans and jabbering with opponents on the field. Those isolated incidents have led some to call Rivers immature, selfish and arrogant, but those who are around him every day see the exact opposite.

“If we had more guys in the National Football League be the father he is, be as committed as he is to the team, it would be a lot better league,” fullback Lorenzo Neal said. “He’s a man of belief. Philip is a great father. He’s a great man. He’s good in the community. Everyone in this locker room loves him. It’s unfortunate that people misperceive him the way they seem to.”

For Rivers, having some friendly banter on the field is as much a part of his game as his 27-8 record as a starter. He finds it unfortunate that people have painted him in a negative light because he plays the game the only way he knows how.

“It’s kind of surprising really to be honest with you,” Rivers said. “I’m out there having a good time as I did in the backyard since I was five years old. I’m not saying anything out of line. There’s no profanity being used. I know what I’m about. My teammates know, my family knows and everything else I can’t worry about.”

Rivers’ teammates don’t have any issue with his approach to the game. If anything, they appreciate his sincerity.

“That’s who Philip is,” tight end Antonio Gates said. “He’s genuine. That’s why we all appreciate him. He never tries to be anything that he’s not. He does it his way. He’s been pretty successful doing it his way so I don’t have a problem with it. If he were talking and we were losing that would be one thing, but last I checked his record is pretty good.”

Before each game, the broadcast crew spends some time in production meetings with the key players they’ll be covering that week. Simms has gotten to know Rivers pretty well through those meetings, and the two-time Super Bowl winner likes the fiery young signal caller.

“Some of the stuff that happens on the field, it just doesn’t bother me the way it seems to bother a lot of other people,” Simms said. “It’s an emotional game. He’s been an emotional quarterback ever since I started following him at North Carolina State.”

Neal has a hard time figuring out why Rivers is being criticized for things that other players have received passes for. Earlier this season, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady got in the face of Steelers defensive back Anthony Smith after throwing a touchdown pass to the man Smith was covering. Earlier in the week, Smith drew attention by guaranteeing a Pittsburgh victory.

“No one says anything when Brady goes up and they’re head to head and they’re talking with Brady in his face,” Neal said. “It’s okay for him but when Philip does it, it’s just, ‘He’s so immature.’ I don’t get it.”

Simms finds it interesting that some quarterbacks are criticized for being too lackadaisical while Rivers is being looked down upon for his passion for the game.

“Here in New York, all they do is complain that Eli Manning doesn’t show enough emotion,” Simms said. “I always say this: you just be who you are and try to smooth out some of the edges when you get the chance. That’s who he is and that’s what makes him work and that’s how he gets it done.”

Chargers Head Coach Norv Turner and Simms would both advise Rivers that talking to fans isn’t the smartest move.

“That’s a battle you can’t win,” Simms said.

But both can appreciate the fire and emotion the young quarterback displays. Rivers contends it’s the only way he knows how to play, and since it’s been successful, he doesn’t plan on altering his game any time soon.

“As you can see, since that Denver week when things got blown out of proportion, I haven’t changed since then,” Rivers said. “If you’ve followed me around since I was five years old you’d see the same thing every Saturday afternoon in the backyard. You saw it for 51 games at NC State and you’ll probably catch something this weekend. Do I mean any harm by it? No. Again, I’m just going to have fun.”

broncolife

01-17-2008, 12:14 AM

Rivers said. “If you’ve followed me around since I was five years old you’d see the same thing every Saturday afternoon in the backyard. You saw it for 51 games at NC State and you’ll probably catch something this weekend. Do I mean any harm by it? No. Again, I’m just going to have fun.”


Time to grow up Rivers. Stop acting like a 5 year old.

XXXII&III

01-17-2008, 12:55 AM

Phil Simms? Well, there's a credible testimonial for you. Simms is a douchebag.

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 01:36 AM

DHallblows

01-17-2008, 01:43 AM

And Phil Simms defends Rivers too !

http://www.chargers.com/news/headlin...alks-plays.htm (http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/rivers-talks-plays.htm)
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Hilarious! I don't know if there's anyone in commentary that is a bigger ass than Phil. I mute the tv and listen to radio whenever he's announcing a game. THANK YOU for backing up my hatred of Rivers...I like I REALLY needed another reason...

broncolife

01-17-2008, 01:47 AM

Brett Favre acts like a five year old and "He's fired up" and "He's having a good time."

Gotta love it! :flower:

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Did Farve just Do DXs suck it? The funny thing is he did it to his own bench. The calling out thing I didnt like, but he couldve been saying its his turn to try and do his crappy biatch slap dance agian because Farve just scored and the eagles O would be coming onto the field soon.

DHallblows

01-17-2008, 02:03 AM

Brett Favre acts like a five year old and "He's fired up" and "He's having a good time."

Gotta love it! :flower:

Ya, he did it in retaliation to someone being a douchebag. If ANYONE started jawing with Rivers, it'd be fine. He's a douche, so you can give him a taste of his own medicine. Especially after you score a td to put your team on top...
Favre WAS fired up because of the unnecessaryness of the initial taunt. Rivers being a dick fires me up, too. If I just started running my mouth to him for no reason, then I'D be the dick. Don't compare the situations of Favre (Who actually HAS earned the right to do that) and Rivers (Who has not).

broncolife

01-17-2008, 02:06 AM

Ya, he did it in retaliation to someone being a douchebag. If ANYONE started jawing with Rivers, it'd be fine. He's a douche, so you can give him a taste of his own medicine. Especially after you score a td to put your team on top...
Favre WAS fired up because of the unnecessaryness of the initial taunt. Rivers being a dick fires me up, too. If I just started running my mouth to him for no reason, then I'D be the dick. Don't compare the situations of Favre (Who actually HAS earned the right to do that) and Rivers (Who has not).

Just about to edit my post and add most of what you said, but you beat me too it.:)

Blueflame

01-17-2008, 02:29 AM

Favre was league MVP three times. Rivers? I doubt that he'll ever achieve that distinction even once. There simply is no comparison between the two QBs.

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 02:51 AM

I think Favre needs to grow up and be more mature, especially since he's well into his 30's. Just sayin' :)

Hogan11

01-17-2008, 04:23 AM

If Rivers keeps this garbage up, I can more than see someone finally clocking him ala the Charles Martin hit on Jim McMahon.

If that happens, the fault will be just as much Phillip's as the player who plants him. You reap what you sow.

Northman

01-17-2008, 05:22 AM

I think Favre needs to grow up and be more mature, especially since he's well into his 30's. Just sayin' :)

LOL

TheReverend

01-17-2008, 08:34 AM

Ya, he did it in retaliation to someone being a douchebag. If ANYONE started jawing with Rivers, it'd be fine. He's a douche, so you can give him a taste of his own medicine. Especially after you score a td to put your team on top...
Favre WAS fired up because of the unnecessaryness of the initial taunt. Rivers being a dick fires me up, too. If I just started running my mouth to him for no reason, then I'D be the dick. Don't compare the situations of Favre (Who actually HAS earned the right to do that) and Rivers (Who has not).

Rivers is a real douche but didn't the Packers get mauled in that game?

sixtimeseight

01-17-2008, 11:08 AM

Funny Ryan Leaf never went anywhere, and Philip is playing for the AFC Championship in just his second year as a starter. Philip has never gone ballistic on a reporter, and you guys are sitting here crying about a Quarterback who shows he wants to win!

What do you guys have?

Yea, and Jake Plummer took the Broncos to the AFC Championship game. What's your point again?

azbroncfan

01-17-2008, 11:24 AM

Rivers time will come. Someone is going to take him out especially since he does most of his mouthing off on the bench.

BMF Bronco

01-17-2008, 11:43 AM

azbroncfan

01-17-2008, 11:48 AM

I think Favre needs to grow up and be more mature, especially since he's well into his 30's. Just sayin' :)

Farve was just retaliating for the crap that Detmer started off with.

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 12:08 PM

BigPlayShay

01-17-2008, 12:18 PM

Or better yet, he will receive a clocking from LT ala Charles Westbrook on Steven Davis.

Michael Westbrook:

http://bengals.enquirer.com/2002/06/11/westbrook_150x200.jpg

I think he is now involved in some MMA. No kiddin'

azbroncfan

01-17-2008, 12:23 PM

I don't see anyone taking a cheap shot on Rivers. Who is willing to take a suspension and lose game checks plus fines for doing it?

We all were saying the same thing was going to happen to Brady for running up the scores on teams and it never even came close to happening.

Brady's not running his mouth though. Denver, Minnesota, Tenn, and now Indy all agree that he is a mouthy player who isn't good enough to do what he is doing. He is starting to get a bad rap. He also does all his talking when he isn't on the field and is standing on the sideline.

400HZ

01-17-2008, 12:28 PM

Brady's not running his mouth though. Denver, Minnesota, Tenn, and now Indy all agree that he is a mouthy player who isn't good enough to do what he is doing. He is starting to get a bad rap. He also does all his talking when he isn't on the field and is standing on the sideline.

Brady ran his mouth right in Ryan Clark's face when the Patsies played the Squealers, and Rivers talks on the field plenty. Ask Jared Allen or Warren Sapp about it.

400HZ

01-17-2008, 12:41 PM

Sh'wing!

SD's baby-blueprint for victory

Cold, Hard Football Facts for January 17, 2008

(Ed. Note: the author and Chief Troll will join Dennis & Callahan on WEEI 850 AM in Boston Friday at 7:20 a.m. to discuss San Diego’s blueprint to beat New England.)

By Kerry J. Byrne
Cold, Hard Football Facts Mike Brady wanna-be

New England’s opponents this year – not to mention the pigskin “pundits” – have turned into amateur architects over the past few months, searching for the proverbial blueprint to beat the Patriots.

So far the effort has gone as well as O.J.’s quest for the real killers.

The best any team has been able to produce is a blueprint for remaining competitive midway through the fourth quarter. And that blueprint makes for a rickety row-house on Victory Lane.

The best the “pundits” have produced are a list of meaningless and misguided clichés about “aging” linebackers or a “vulnerable” defense. And that argument is imploded by the dynamite of actual evidence. The Patriots, for example, surrendered 288.3 YPG this season, the fewest by a New England team since 1979, while giving up just 8.4 second-half points per game (despite surrendering a lot of garbage-time points while sporting large second-half leads).

But leave it to the I.M. Pei of pigskin, the Cold, Hard Football Facts, to secure the necessary blueprints for beating New England.

The blueprint we uncovered tells us that if any team can complete the job, it’s the Chargers. Let’s call it San Diego’s baby-blueprint to beat New England, in honor of the pigskin-pastel of their alternative togs.

Despite their slow start, the Chargers proved to be one of the most statistically dominant teams in the NFL this year. If you size them across the board in our Quality Stats, only New England and Green Bay were stronger, and the margin between the three was so slim that O.J.’s buddies use it to jimmy open doors in Vegas hotel rooms.

The Patriots ranked an average of 4.44 in our nine Quality Stats
The Packers ranked an average of 4.56 in our nine Quality Stats
The Chargers ranked an average of 4.67 in our nine Quality Stats

The Chargers topped the entire NFL in three of our nine Quality Stats. Only New England itself led the league in more categories (four).

San Diego’s statistical dominance offers us a pretty definitive guide to why the Chargers can beat the Patriots. We didn’t say will beat the Patriots; we said can beat the Patriots.

And, certainly, the injuries to key San Diego players Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates and LaDainian Tomlinson (none of whom practiced Wednesday), can shatter the best-laid plans. But if the Chargers do win, only the Cold, Hard Football Facts will have outlined the pattern ahead of time.

Baby-blueprint: San Diego boasts the best pass defense in football
The Cold, Hard Football Facts measure pass defenses by Defensive Passer Rating, a “Quality Stat” because it has a direct correlation to winning football games: the top 11 teams in Defensive Passer Rating this year all reached the playoffs.

And the Chargers topped the list, allowing opposing passers a 70.0 rating this year. Their capabilities were most evident in their league-leading 30 picks, eight more than any other team in football. The 2007 Chargers are the first team in franchise history to lead the league in either category, let alone both.

The Cold, Hard Football Facts have proven time and again the devestating effect of interceptions in the playoffs. Teams that throw 0 INTs have won 78.6 of their playoff games in the Super Bowl Era. Teams that throw two or more picks in the playoffs win just 23.5 percent of the time.

We’ve yet to see anybody truly shutdown Tom Brady’s passing attack this year. And, of course, he absolutely shredded San Diego in their first meeting back in Week 2: 25 of 31 (80.6%) for 279 yards, 9.0 YPA, 3 TD, 1 INT, 123.0 passer rating.

But these lightning Bolts need only strike once. And if any team in football this year has a shot at humbling New England’s historic attack, it’s San Diego.

Baby-blueprint: San Diego is the top Big Play team in football
The Cold, Hard Football Facts measure each team in its ability to make “Big Plays” on both sides of the ball.

Most NFL contests are wars of attrition in which one or two Big Plays typically prove the difference between victory and defeat (our definition of “Big Plays” can be found here). Our Big Play Index is a hugely important indicator with a high correlation to winning football games.

Teams that won the Big Play battle this year were a remarkable 180-34 (.841). (Forty-two games featured an even Big Play battle.)

And no team was better in the Big Play wars this year than San Diego. The Chargers led the league in the number of Big Plays they made (69), eight more than second-place Minnesota. More importantly, the Chargers led the league in Big Play differential (+29), two ahead of second place New England.

All those interceptions, long runs and explosive special teams plays add up to a lot of game-winning moments for the Chargers.

But the Patriots certainly pose a difficult Big Play challenge. They allowed just 28 Big Plays, fewest in the NFL this year.

Baby-blueprint: San Diego is the most efficient team in football
The Cold, Hard Football Facts measure the efficiency of each team’s offense and defense through our Scoreability and Bendability Indices.

These Quality Stats have a high correlation to victory because they do not measure offenses and defenses in a vacuum. Instead, they measure how each unit on a team interacts to 1) put points on the board or 2) keep opponents off the scoreboard.

In other words, they are measures of team-wide efficiency.

And no team rated more highly than the Chargers: they defined the “bend-but-don’t break” phenomenon on defense this year, with a No. 1 ranking in our Bendability Index. And they were second only to New England in our Scoreability Index. (It's actually quite a tribute to the widely-criticized Norv Turner that his team played so efficiently in 2007; poorly coached teams never rate highly in these indicators.)

The San Diego defense this year forced opponents to march 18.04 Yards Per Point Scored, or the equivalent of a daunting 126.3 yards for every 7 points they put on the board. It tells us that opponents churned up a lot of empty yards against the Chargers.

The 30 INTs were certainly a big reason why. And the win over Indy last week provided a perfect example of this “bend-don’t-break” efficiency: the Colts cranked out 446 yards of offense, including 402 in the air. But they produced a measly 24 points – a pathetic number relative to the yards they generated. Two red-zone picks by San Diego were a big reason for Indy's lack of efficiency on offense.

The San Diego offense, meanwhile, was highly efficient throughout the year. The Chargers needed just 12.24 Yards Per Point Scored in 2007, or the equivalent 85.7 yards for every 7 points they put on the board. It tells us that the Chargers often find themselves in good scoring position, and then take advantage of those opportunities.

And we don’t want to get any of those “yeah, but” emails that these arguments about scoring efficiency always generate. Yes, special teams and defense have played a large role in San Diego’s scoring opportunities. Yes, we understand that argument. Yes, we understand that other teams were more spectacular on offense, if you compare only the production of those individual offenses.

But that’s the point, folks. The scoreboard does not care where the points come from. The scoreboad does not care that a big kick return gave the offense a short field. The scoreboard does not care if points came off a pick-six instead of a long offensive drive. The scoreboard is a truly egalitarian place: it treats all points equally. And so should football fans.

San Diego’s ability to score efficiently, paired with the most efficient defense in football this year – the one defense that makes opponents work harder than any other to put points on the board – spell out one very dangerous team.

It's a team that clearly offers a blueprint to topple the Patriots powerhouse.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2079_SD%27s_baby-blueprint_for_victory.html

400HZ

01-17-2008, 12:46 PM

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a139/goodkol/riverssapp2.gif

azbroncfan

01-17-2008, 01:00 PM

Brady ran his mouth right in Ryan Clark's face when the Patsies played the Squealers, and Rivers talks on the field plenty. Ask Jared Allen or Warren Sapp about it.

That was after Smith ran his mouth all week up to the game then was burnt for the TD. Make all the excuses you want but the truth is Rivers is an emotional sh!% talker who has a bullseye on his back. I don't think LT thinks too highly of him either just by the body language earlier in the year.

400HZ

01-17-2008, 01:09 PM

That was after Smith ran his mouth all week up to the game then was burnt for the TD. Make all the excuses you want but the truth is Rivers is an emotional sh!% talker who has a bullseye on his back.

Well duhhh.

400HZ

01-17-2008, 01:12 PM

Bullseye on his back is pretty debatable. Every quarterback has a bullseye on his back to some extent.

BMF Bronco

01-17-2008, 01:14 PM

Bullseye on his back is pretty debatable. Every quarterback has a bullseye on his back to some extent.

But most other quarterbacks aren't dumb enought to light theirs up with neon lights like rivers.

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 01:19 PM

But again, who is willing to take a suspension and lose game checks + fines? Maybe Albert Haynesworth but he already missed his chance... twice.

Black96WS6

01-17-2008, 02:06 PM

And again the question must be asked...why do Bronco fans care so much about Philip Rivers???

Beantown Bronco

01-17-2008, 02:09 PM

And again the question must be asked...why do Bronco fans care so much about Philip Rivers???

controversial QB of a division rival.....and his team is still playing. I'd be worried if Bronco fans didn't have a vested interest.

Paladin

01-17-2008, 02:15 PM

And again the question must be asked...why do Bronco fans care so much about Philip Rivers???

'Cause he's an arse......

Same as TO in the "Arse-hole" department....

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 02:47 PM

Just curious, which players have complained about Rivers antics? I know Darren Sharper and Bailey did but that's all I'm familiar with. Maybe I'm not reading enough Rivers articles?

It seems to me that the ones really disturbed by it are various sportswriters/ESPN personalities (the ones paid to stir things up) and some message board posters (the ones who like to complain about every little thing).

sixtimeseight

01-17-2008, 02:58 PM

And again the question must be asked...why do Bronco fans care so much about Philip Rivers???

No, the question that must be asked is why all these little Chargers cockroaches crawled out of the woodwork to troll on a Broncos board. If you don't like what we talk about then LEAVE. It's that easy.

DHallblows

01-17-2008, 03:16 PM

And again the question must be asked...why do Bronco fans care so much about Philip Rivers???

YOU keep coming back here and bringing it back up. If you'd just stfu, we wouldn't have it to talk about

CHANGSTER

01-17-2008, 03:24 PM

Man Skip Bayless hates rivers. Said something like no one likes him even LT, Chargers are hated and so on.

400HZ

01-17-2008, 03:51 PM

Man Skip Bayless hates rivers. Said something like no one likes him even LT, Chargers are hated and so on.

Ya, well I hate Skip Bayless.

Seriously, that guy is the biggest east coast media tool on the east coast media tool network. His dumbass morning show used to have the Giants kicker come on once a week and he said last year that Tiki Barber is twice the running back that LT is. Right.

BMF Bronco

01-17-2008, 04:15 PM

Ya, well I hate Skip Bayless.

Seriously, that guy is the biggest east coast media tool on the east coast media tool network. His dumbass morning show used to have the Giants kicker come on once a week and he said last year that Tiki Barber is twice the running back that LT is. Right.

And this is one thing I agree with you on. I just got back from the gym and he was on while I was on the treadmill so I moved to a different one across the room. This dude is the dorky version of Steven AsSmith. Neither one can talk in a normal tone, it has to be shouted and matter of factly. But at least A.S.S, err I mean SAS was original with it.

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 05:22 PM

broncocalijohn

01-17-2008, 05:27 PM

And again the question must be asked...why do Bronco fans care so much about Philip Rivers???

Or you can ask yourself , "Why do I care what the Broncos , on their own board, think of my mouthy QB?"

BMF Bronco

01-17-2008, 05:28 PM

Right, Eric Allen (former Raider, perennial Bronco hater) is a WONDERFUL source for information.

broncolife

01-17-2008, 05:29 PM

Is this the last post wins thread?

BMF Bronco

01-17-2008, 05:31 PM

I win

CHANGSTER

01-17-2008, 05:34 PM

Good take on Rivers from Eric Allen:

http://ne.edgecastcdn.net/0000A6/espnpod2/espnradio/insider/herd/herd_01172008_8.mp3

Interesting tidbit, Cutler was basically acting like a tool before the Cutler-Rivers confrontation. I'm sure that's okay with everyone here though. :flower:

Seriously about what might of happened and all that, you can't take anyones word. everyone has a motive. I saw what I saw and thats all I can go by. Some Chargers have said something else happened, but its in their best interest to do so.

Really the only unbiased person who may have witnessed the whole thing is maybe the officials.

Oh and I win

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 05:37 PM

Right, Eric Allen (former Raider, perennial Bronco hater) is a WONDERFUL source for information.

And anyone who works for ESPN, CNNSI or whatever East Coast media outlet is?

BigBad

01-17-2008, 05:39 PM

http://ne.edgecastcdn.net/0000A6/espnpod2/espnradio/insider/herd/herd_01172008_8.mp3

Sounds like Cutler is the PUNK! Doing crap when he is getting KILLED!!!!

BMF Bronco

01-17-2008, 05:43 PM

And anyone who works for ESPN, CNNSI or whatever East Coast media outlet is?

Dude, even Colin Coherd brought up the man love Eric Allen has for rivers. Notice the nice little barb he threw in there about Cutler not "being there yet". That wasn't needed, his hate for the broncos is well known, and FYI, the douche bag does work for ESPN.

BMF Bronco

01-17-2008, 05:45 PM

http://ne.edgecastcdn.net/0000A6/espnpod2/espnradio/insider/herd/herd_01172008_8.mp3

Sounds like Cutler is the PUNK! Doing crap when he is getting KILLED!!!!

moron, didn't you see that your buddy already posted the link? Or are you that unoriginal and that much of a lemming that you follow right along?

400HZ

01-17-2008, 05:58 PM

Good take on Rivers from Eric Allen:

http://ne.edgecastcdn.net/0000A6/espnpod2/espnradio/insider/herd/herd_01172008_8.mp3

Interesting tidbit, Cutler was basically acting like a tool before the Cutler-Rivers confrontation. I'm sure that's okay with everyone here though. :flower:

That's pretty much what I said from the get go. Everyone is so quick to heap crap on Rivers for doing some talking, but nobody cares that Cutler was making obscene gestures at Charger players, in the midst of an embarassingly bad performance no less. I don't even care if Cutler does that, but it's just dumb how Rivers get painted as the protagonist bad guy and now all the cameras are on him waiting for something to happen that ESPN can make an issue out of.

400HZ

01-17-2008, 06:04 PM

Dude, even Colin Coherd brought up the man love Eric Allen has for rivers. Notice the nice little barb he threw in there about Cutler not "being there yet". That wasn't needed, his hate for the broncos is well known, and FYI, the douche bag does work for ESPN.

There have been a handful of guys on ESPN to stand up for Phillip, the most notable being Ron Jaworski. Ron says he loves it. :sunshine:

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 06:05 PM

Dude, even Colin Coherd brought up the man love Eric Allen has for rivers. Notice the nice little barb he threw in there about Cutler not "being there yet". That wasn't needed, his hate for the broncos is well known, and FYI, the douche bag does work for ESPN.

What is wrong with that statement? One, he was ranking various quarterbacks and that's why he made that statement about Cutler. Two, it's true, Cutler isn't there yet. He surely has the physical tools, no one is going to deny that but he still has a long way to go as far as development.

BMF Bronco

01-17-2008, 06:41 PM

What is wrong with that statement? One, he was ranking various quarterbacks and that's why he made that statement about Cutler. Two, it's true, Cutler isn't there yet. He surely has the physical tools, no one is going to deny that but he still has a long way to go as far as development.

It wasn't called for, this isn't about Cutler and his abilities or lack thereof, it's about rivers' mouth.

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 06:47 PM

moron, didn't you see that your buddy already posted the link? Or are you that unoriginal and that much of a lemming that you follow right along?

Hey, that guy ain't my buddy!

400HZ

01-17-2008, 06:58 PM

It wasn't called for, this isn't about Cutler and his abilities or lack thereof, it's about rivers' mouth.

I don't think he was going out of his way to diss Cutler, he was just talking about Rivers' peer group and how he thought Rivers fit in.

broncolife

01-17-2008, 07:18 PM

broncolife

01-17-2008, 07:20 PM

I don't think he was going out of his way to diss Cutler, he was just talking about Rivers' peer group and how he thought Rivers fit in.

Sure sounded like a diss to me. It would be surprising to me if Eric Allen ever praised a bronco.

BreesLightning

01-17-2008, 07:34 PM

Ha ha Cutler is a goddamn saint I tell ya. Funny how you guys dis-miss anything remotely close to the truth.

Grabbing your balls and taunting someone is a whole lot better than talking smack without cussing. :thumbs:

What now Broncos fans?

boltaneer

01-17-2008, 07:38 PM

I dont see how this makes Rivers look good. Even the interviewer thought Eric Allen was hanging on Rivers nut sack. Might as well ask a Charger fan, wait his two sons are Charger fans.

Of course the host thought that. Colin Cowherd? The king of stubborness and loves to argue just to argue.

It's just an opposing view.

For me, it's nice to hear a West Coast point of view in the media for once.

cabronco

01-17-2008, 10:02 PM

WTH, I look forward opening up my sports page to get my daily fix here in so cal. But the first BIG grill on the front page is Phillip. Its a huge article , not talking about any Chargers success, Or Rivers knee, but how he OPens his big mouth too much, according to local callers. Rivers says its unfair for callers to say he's another Ryan Leaf even though I have nothing against him. Goodness the team must love all the attention their Qb is getting while they're not.

richpjr

01-17-2008, 11:11 PM

Brady's not running his mouth though.

Brady nevers runs his mouth? From an article in the NY Times:

When he was an anonymous backup quarterback with a modest $298,000 salary and only three pass attempts in the National Football League, Tom Brady offered David Patten, a veteran wide receiver for the New England Patriots, advice last summer about how to run a crisper route. Patten was, needless to say, surprised.

In just his fifth game as New England's starting quarterback, Brady taunted Denver linebacker Al Wilson several times after completing passes over him. Not only surprised, Wilson was also angry enough that later in the game he hit Brady late in an act of frustration that cost him a $5,000 fine from the league.

And this was before he won a superbowl and happened against the Broncos no less.

boltaneer

01-18-2008, 12:11 AM

I've always wondered what it would be like to be on the receiving end of a tongue lashing from Rivers. I mean, the guy doesn't cuss and he doesn't call anyone names or belittle them.

What in the hell could he be saying?

"Dude, that guy blocked you real good!" ?

"Hey, try harder next time!" ?

"Woah. You almost got me!" ?

"Hey, Chambers made the catch! Your DB got burned on that one!" ?

"Hey, whats that on your chin? Gotcha!"

"Pull my finger! Man, I can't believe you fell for that one!"

"Atta baby!"

His trash talking to the fans when he was going to the locker room in Indy was a thing of beauty!

"Thank you."

"I appreciate it. Thanks."

"I'll be back."

He must be really hurting some feelings out there.

Northman

01-18-2008, 07:20 AM

That's pretty much what I said from the get go. Everyone is so quick to heap crap on Rivers for doing some talking, but nobody cares that Cutler was making obscene gestures at Charger players, in the midst of an embarassingly bad performance no less. I don't even care if Cutler does that, but it's just dumb how Rivers get painted as the protagonist bad guy and now all the cameras are on him waiting for something to happen that ESPN can make an issue out of.

Whatever. Im so tired of you idiots spinning this garbage. The Chargers cried like little girls last year when New England punked you in your own house and LT had his whiney meltdown. Cutler got frustrated in a game and got to jawing with the defense (thats fine). But Rivers had no business being in that discussion to begin with. Then, he is caught yet again yapping at the fans in Indy so dont paint it like Rivers isnt behaving like a jackass on the sideline. This isnt a pick on Rivers from the media or Denver fans, the video evidence shows whats going on and your just pissed because your boy got called on it. For every Eric Allen there is at least 10 commentators that agree that Rivers is going overboard when it comes to trash talking. So give it a rest already.

400HZ

01-18-2008, 09:29 AM

Whatever. Im so tired of you idiots spinning this garbage. The Chargers cried like little girls last year when New England punked you in your own house and LT had his whiney meltdown. Cutler got frustrated in a game and got to jawing with the defense (thats fine). But Rivers had no business being in that discussion to begin with. Then, he is caught yet again yapping at the fans in Indy so dont paint it like Rivers isnt behaving like a jackass on the sideline. This isnt a pick on Rivers from the media or Denver fans, the video evidence shows whats going on and your just pissed because your boy got called on it. For every Eric Allen there is at least 10 commentators that agree that Rivers is going overboard when it comes to trash talking. So give it a rest already.

Ya, the Skip Baylesses, Sean Suckassburys, Mike Golics, Tony Kornheisers, and Len Pastabellis of the world are all up in arms. You know, the absolute tools. Guys like John Clayton and Ron Jaworski have disagreed. Interesting.

Inkana7

01-18-2008, 09:41 AM

Ya, the Skip Baylesses, Sean Suckassburys, Mike Golics, Tony Kornheisers, and Len Pastabellis of the world are all up in arms. You know, the absolute tools. Guys like John Clayton and Ron Jaworski have disagreed. Interesting.

If you want to see a whiny meltdown, look at this thread.

Rivers is a douche. The world knows it. Face it.

"What now, Chragers fans?"

400HZ

01-18-2008, 10:02 AM

Rivers is a douche. The world knows it. Face it.

"What now, Chragers fans?"

AFC Championship game, followed by the Superbowl. :yayaya:

Inkana7

01-18-2008, 01:25 PM

AFC Championship game, followed by the Superbowl. :yayaya:

Someone has high hopes for Billy Volek.

vancejohnson82

01-18-2008, 01:31 PM

Rivers is a punk and will find himself on the recieving end of a bruising late hit one of these games if he keeps acting like Woody Harrelson in "White Men Can't Jump"...when the opposing QB and your defense are jawing that is no place to jump in and put in your "heehaw" two cents...

he's a chump

400HZ

01-18-2008, 01:34 PM

Someone has high hopes for Billy Volek.

Well A.J. Feeley did come close to pulling an upset earlier in the season. :thumbsup:

Actually, I would be shocked if Rivers didn't start. That torn ACL thing from the Boston guy is completely unsubstantiated. I was gonna post in that thread about it, but the atmosphere in there is on par with a Klan meeting. Pure hatred, fuzzy logic, and obvious insecurities along with fabrications and outright lies. :rofl:

Inkana7

01-18-2008, 01:38 PM

Well A.J. Feeley did come close to pulling an upset earlier in the season. :thumbsup:

Actually, I would be shocked if Rivers didn't start. That torn ACL thing from the Boston guy is completely unsubstantiated. I was gonna post in that thread about it, but the atmosphere in there is on par with a Klan meeting. Pure hatred, fuzzy logic, and obvious insecurities along with fabrications and outright lies. :rofl:

I wouldn't put money on him playing the entire game. But that's just me.

crazyhorse

01-18-2008, 01:39 PM

You know what? LT acts like a jackass when he's losing too.

If they are losing on the scoreboard, you can always find him throwing a tantrum or pouting on the sideline.

400HZ

01-18-2008, 01:41 PM

You know what? LT acts like a jackass when he's losing too.

If they are losing on the scoreboard, you can always find him throwing a tantrum or pouting on the sideline.

Maybe LJ can give him some pointers on classy behavior.

Inkana7

01-18-2008, 01:43 PM

Maybe LJ can give him some pointers on classy behavior.

Bashing the chiefs plays into his hand. It's an obvious deflection, and he'll retort with "But am I not correct?" And then go on as a holier-than-thou prick.

It's his routine.

BMF Bronco

01-18-2008, 02:09 PM

You know, it's not as much about Rivers anymore (well okay it is, that and the fact that karma got even with him), it's more about douche kill trolls like Breeslightning coming in here and talking incessant ****, as futile and 2nd gradish as it may be.

BreesLightning

01-18-2008, 02:24 PM

BMF Bronco

01-18-2008, 02:28 PM

What truth is that barney?

RaiderH8r

01-18-2008, 02:34 PM

Truth hurts doesn't it homer?

The truth is you've spent more years donning the silver and black than you have the powder blue and gold.

BreesLightning

01-18-2008, 03:01 PM

What truth is that barney?

That you'll do anything and say anything about anyone that goes against anything Bronco.

You've got your head so far up Cutler's ass you can't see. You must be in your own version heaven.

Consider me the devil that shows you the light to hell. Next stop :

4020 Murphy Canyon Rd. San Diego, CA 92123

*cue theme from TwilightZone*

BMF Bronco

01-18-2008, 03:06 PM

That you'll do anything and say anything about anyone that goes against anything Bronco.

You've got your head so far up Cutler's ass you can't see. You must be in your own version heaven.

Consider me the devil that shows you the light to hell. Next stop :

4020 Murphy Canyon Rd. San Diego, CA 92123

*cue theme from TwilightZone*

And right on cue, you post utter nonsense once again. Show me where on this board I ever said Cutler wasn't talking ****, show me where I said that he wasn't popping off, show me where I said he's a saint. My point was that like you, Rivers is a douche bag. However, with your nonsensical jibberish, you have taken my focus from rivers.

Inkana7

01-18-2008, 03:09 PM

Truth hurts doesn't it homer?

Irony?

BreesLightning

01-18-2008, 03:12 PM

you have taken my focus from rivers.

That is the first step my son. Listen to me and slowly but surely you will release your tapeworm like hooks from Cutlers bowels.

Then and only then you will be free from the blind homerism that clouds your mind. The truth is near.

Inkana7

01-18-2008, 03:16 PM

That is the first step my son. Listen to me and slowly but surely you will release your tapeworm like hooks from Cutlers bowels.

Then and only then you will be free from the blind homerism that clouds your mind. The truth is near.

Methinks you need to look at yourself before you start calling others homers.

Oh, and you're an idiot. :)

DenverBrit

01-18-2008, 03:39 PM

I've always wondered what it would be like to be on the receiving end of a tongue lashing from Rivers. I mean, the guy doesn't cuss and he doesn't call anyone names or belittle them.

Hilarious!

RaiderH8r

01-18-2008, 03:56 PM

That is the first step my son. Listen to me and slowly but surely you will release your tapeworm like hooks from Cutlers bowels.

Then and only then you will be free from the blind homerism that clouds your mind. The truth is near.

Wow, that is some nerve you've got there. Takes a lot of confidence and self-esteem for a guy with a batch Rivers' Man Jam dribbling down his chin to give that kind of advice. That's just the kind of blind dumbassery I've come to expect from Whale Vagina fans and you scatboxes never disappoint.

TailgateNut

01-18-2008, 04:25 PM

Wow, that is some nerve you've got there. Takes a lot of confidence and self-esteem for a guy with a batch Rivers' Man Jam dribbling down his chin to give that kind of advice. That's just the kind of blind dumbassery I've come to expect from Whale Vagina fans and you scatboxes never disappoint.

On a roll today, are we?:thumbsup:

Beantown Bronco

01-18-2008, 04:27 PM

That torn ACL thing from the Boston guy is completely unsubstantiated.

You were saying?

400HZ

01-18-2008, 05:09 PM

You were saying?

Well it was unsubstantiated. That initial source from Boston was from a dumbass Tom Brady fanboy blog. Rivers winning on a torn ACL will only make it that much more epic.

BTW I heard that Volek bruised his coccyx and might not play on Sunday. Bellicheat might have to bust out some Clemson gametape to get the line on Charlie Whitehurst.

crazyhorse

01-18-2008, 05:27 PM

Maybe LJ can give him some pointers on classy behavior.

The " I know you are but what am I" defense.

Weak.

crazyhorse

01-18-2008, 05:30 PM

Bashing the chiefs plays into his hand. It's an obvious deflection, and he'll retort with "But am I not correct?" And then go on as a holier-than-thou prick.

It's his routine.

Deflection? From what?

I was simply commenting on something I have observed. Lighten up pops.

boltaneer

01-18-2008, 05:36 PM

Shame on LT for having some emotion and a desire to win.

They should all act like zombies like Eli Manning.

crazyhorse

01-18-2008, 06:10 PM

Shame on LT for having some emotion and a desire to win.

They should all act like zombies like Eli Manning.

I dont have much issue with it. I've raised children. They pout and throw tantrums when they dont get thier way. I wouldn't call it a "desire to win" as much as I would say they are throwing a fit. LT is no different.

RodInCanton

01-18-2008, 06:15 PM

Shame on LT for having some emotion and a desire to win.

They should all act like zombies like Eli Manning.

That's not what people are saying (or at least not me). I have no problem w/ anything either LT or Rivers does or have done except for one huge thing. That's crying like a school girl w/ a scraped knee when they lose and the other team shows emotion but then wondering what everybody's problem is when they act the same way. BE CONSISTENT (and this goes to the fan base that was crying after last years playoff loss and now try the "football is an emotional game" or "at least he doesn't cuss" defense). Doesn't matter. ACT LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE!

azbroncfan

01-18-2008, 06:15 PM

You know what? LT acts like a jackass when he's losing too.

If they are losing on the scoreboard, you can always find him throwing a tantrum or pouting on the sideline.

Yep just like the little fit he through last year when Roid boy did his dance all game but he got upset when the other team did it.

RodInCanton

01-18-2008, 06:18 PM

BMF Bronco

01-19-2008, 12:13 PM

That is the first step my son. Listen to me and slowly but surely you will release your tapeworm like hooks from Cutlers bowels.

Then and only then you will be free from the blind homerism that clouds your mind. The truth is near.

Once again, mindless drivel. You make feeble attempts to attack me. Show me where I even mentioned cutler asshat. If you actually were on this board before this season, you would know that I fully wasn't a cutler supporter, thus making you and your arguement sound even more asinine. Moron

Northman

01-20-2008, 06:14 PM

AFC Championship game, followed by the Superbowl. :yayaya:

*Bump*

Where's my boy Nicklebolt? Where are the other trolls at? Come on! Tell us how great you are again!

NW Bolt Fan

01-20-2008, 06:18 PM

You got your wish. We'll be back again next year. And we'll be sweeping your ass again as well.

My hat off to the pats.

Northman

01-20-2008, 06:19 PM

You got your wish. We'll be back again next year. And we'll be sweeping your ass again as well.

My hat off to the pats.

Yea, about that. Going by your predictions to make the Super Bowl i wouldnt bet on it. Hilarious! LOL

Bronx33

01-20-2008, 06:20 PM

You got your wish. We'll be back again next year. And we'll be sweeping your ass again as well.

My hat off to the pats.

Ok hang your hat on a 4 game win streak (it's all ya got) but make sure your here when you lose next season sunshine.

NW Bolt Fan

01-20-2008, 06:22 PM

Yea, about that. Going by your predictions to make the Super Bowl i wouldnt bet on it. Hilarious! LOL Whatever. You wrote us off at the start of the playoffs. And we did get beat today... so, you were right.

Northman

01-20-2008, 06:22 PM

Whatever. You wrote us off at the start of the playoffs. And we did get beat today... so, you were right.

indeed, same ol, same ol.

NW Bolt Fan

01-20-2008, 06:23 PM

Ok hang your hat on a 4 game win streak (it's all ya got) but make sure your here when you lose next season sunshine.
I was here when we were bad. Not much chance of us not being good next year. And for all the hatred of PR, I'm pretty damn stoked to have him on my team. Dude is a gamer.

Bronx33

01-20-2008, 06:26 PM

I was here when we were bad. Not much chance of us not being good next year. And for all the hatred of PR, I'm pretty damn stoked to have him on my team. Dude is a gamer.

Ya he held your Offense too zero points today a gamer would recognized hes holding the O back with his injury, volek should have been put in but i will put half the blame on norv and his super tecmo offensive playbook.

Williams

01-20-2008, 06:30 PM

Dude is a gamer.

Like video-game gamer?

...Cause he's not really good on the football field.

NW Bolt Fan

01-20-2008, 06:33 PM

NW Bolt Fan

01-20-2008, 06:34 PM

Like video-game gamer?

...Cause he's not really good on the football field. Yep. Video gamer.

Bronx33

01-20-2008, 06:38 PM

Not punching the ball in cost us. No doubt about it. But I didn't ever want Volek. A healthy Gates, LT, and Rivers would have been nice, but it is what it is.

Norv's calling wasn't terrible, but it certainly wasn't great. I'd have really liked to have seen Jackson on a jump ball at least once... considering the way that guy was playing as of late.

But calling TO, then getting absolutely stuffed, actually LOSING yards on 3rd and 1 down at their endzone was a killer.

Anything remotely resembling a scrambling QB could have made a world of difference today but norv stayed with a QB that was a plylon in the pocket forcing bad passes and throws into the dirt to avoid the sack. Instead of a chance at positive yardage and a chance in the redzone but sadly you're never going to know what was possible today because norv was simple to stupid to adjust. You were left with a gimpy starting RB and an average replacement forcing you to the air with a gimpy QB volek was a no brainer IMO he did grat last game why not ride that wave? (is norv coming back next season?)

Williams

01-20-2008, 06:38 PM

Yep. Video gamer.

Lol. Hey, it's big of you to come here after today's loss. I have a feeling we wont be seeing too many other charger fans.

Congrats on the great season.

OABB

01-20-2008, 06:48 PM

Anything remotely resembling a scrambling QB could have made a world of difference today but norv stayed with a QB that was a plylon in the pocket forcing bad passes and throws into the dirt to avoid the sack. Instead of a chance at positive yardage and a chance in the redzone but sadly you're never going to know what was possible today because norv was simple to stupid to adjust. You were left with a gimpy starting RB and an average replacement forcing you to the air with a gimpy QB volek was a no brainer IMO he did grat last game why not ride that wave? (is norv coming back next season?)

um....is Rivers normally mobile? He looked the same to me, slow, poor throwing motion, underthrown balls that are shot putted into a defender's hands....
has his knee been damaged his whole career?

Bronx33

01-20-2008, 06:57 PM

um....is Rivers normally mobile? He looked the same to me, slow, poor throwing motion, underthrown balls that are shot putted into a defender's hands....
has his knee been damaged his whole career?

He was a pylon today did you notice the limping and the going into the locker room early at half time to get shot-up yes he was worse that usual today (that was my point)

NW Bolt Fan

01-20-2008, 06:59 PM

Bronx33

01-20-2008, 07:02 PM

I don't think Rivers knee bugged him too much. Line did a great job early. D did a great job early. The announcers were right in that we needed to turn red zone trips into 7.

3 or 4 man rush on pass D was AWFUL... But, the pats are a good team. I think even with the injuries we win that game in SD, but that was the scenario 2 years ago, and we choked.

Are you blind? sure he did a good job early but as the game went on he got slower and slower he resorted to throwing the ball into the dirt cause he couldn't even run to avoid the rush.

NW Bolt Fan

01-20-2008, 07:21 PM

No pics in the 2nd half. Better 3rd down conversion rate, and about the same # of yards. I still think he played okay in the 2nd half- but it really didn't matter in the end, because it wasn't enough to win the game.

nickelbolt

01-20-2008, 07:30 PM

*Bump*

Where's my boy Nicklebolt? Where are the other trolls at? Come on! Tell us how great you are again!

You're a grade A cu.nt. Cun-tler won't sniff an AFC Championship as long as Rivers is at the helm. Is that trollish enough for ya'?

Bronx33

01-20-2008, 07:34 PM

You're a grade A cu.nt. Cun-tler won't sniff an AFC Championship as long as Rivers is at the helm. Is that trollish enough for ya'?

You can do better your forcing your posts just try one from the heart and steer clear of the kiddie crap. (ok try again)

Orange_Beard

01-20-2008, 07:36 PM

What happened to the "Fire Norv" stuff?

I am really going to enjoy watching him coach next year.

NW Bolt Fan

01-20-2008, 07:40 PM

What happened to the "Fire Norv" stuff?

I am really going to enjoy watching him coach next year. ME TOO ;D AFCCG in his first stint with us isn't too shabby... Fell short of the goal this year, but we'll be back.

Orange_Beard

01-20-2008, 07:56 PM

Northman

01-20-2008, 08:02 PM

You're a grade A cu.nt. Cun-tler won't sniff an AFC Championship as long as Rivers is at the helm. Is that trollish enough for ya'?

Guess your still butt hurt over the loss today eh? :rofl:

Bronx33

01-20-2008, 08:03 PM

Guess your still butt hurt over the loss today eh? :rofl:

What did you expect for a nickle..

Northman

01-20-2008, 08:04 PM

What did you expect for a nickle..

:rofl: :notworthy

theAPAOps5

01-20-2008, 08:15 PM

You're a grade A cu.nt. Cun-tler won't sniff an AFC Championship as long as Rivers is at the helm. Is that trollish enough for ya'?

Aren't they beautiful:

http://heymabelblacklabel.com/1ccb1220.jpg

Something a Charger fan hasn't and won't see.

Blueflame

01-21-2008, 02:25 AM

ohiobronco2

01-21-2008, 06:35 AM

We won't be seeing "Nickelbolt" around the Mane for a while. Circumventing the language filter in order to post a "filtered" word (as he did in Post #397) is grounds for a vacation from the site. So... C'ya, Nickelbolt.

But I'm going to really miss him.

/Sarcasm

Northman

01-21-2008, 06:45 AM

Los Broncos

01-21-2008, 08:12 PM

One SD player didn't like the play of Seymour.

Chargers' center: Seymour "played like a punk''

Monday, Jan 21, 2008 9:22 am EST
Richard Seymour

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While the San Diego Chargers were generally complimentary of the New England Patriots following Sunday's victory, one notable exception was center Nick Hardwick, who went off on Patriots defensive end Richard Seymour in an expletive-laden tirade for alleged dirty play the Boston Herald reported.

“He’s cheap and dirty and the head man just let him get away with it the whole time,” Hardwick said. “They’ve got 10 great players on that team and when Jarvis Green comes on the field, they’ve got 11 great players who compete how you’re supposed to play. But Richard Seymour is the biggest (expletive) I’ve ever played.

“Head slapping, foot stomping in the pile, running by and throwing punches in your back,” Hardwick said. “He’s a (expletive). … There were a lot of things he did. There’s a field goal where he was stomping feet. Who stomps feet? And the officials weren’t doing anything about it. He plays like a punk.”

ohiobronco2

01-21-2008, 08:19 PM