Sb24

[TailgateNut]

Here ya go BCJ.

We don't know if it'll grow wings and fly, but it's in the works.


Off and running
Among the bills introduced Wednesday, the first day of the 2008 General Assembly (sponsor, political affiliation, hometown):


Senate bills

SB 24 (Tochtrop, D-Thornton): Eliminates restrictions that prevent holders of season tickets to sports events and shows from selling their tickets to others.

[missingnumber7]

So who does this help, the brokers?

[Jason in LA]

When I read the title of this thread I had a flash back of Super Bowl XXIV. The horror. I'd like that game to be erased from memory.

[TailgateNut]

So who does this help, the brokers?...and BCJ!:wiggle:

[Crushaholic]

Does this include online sales? If not, the only person it would help is the fan standing on the corner (or in the parking lot) selling his tickets...

[broncocalijohn]

It would help those that want to sell their tickets to anyone without having the Broncos or any team in the state to interfer. Right now, if you sell your ticket to your neighbor, there could be a problem with your transaction and the professional sports team. See TGN doesnt realize tha tif he sells his extra ticket for face value and that ticket was sold privately not through the Broncos, the Broncos might take his season tickets away. I know TGN does this so I guess it would be a problem not just for me but for every season ticket holder that doesnt use the ticket exchange. But keep going TG, seems you havent learned from the rep you gave for the new year. Dont try to look at this as a broker issue. Many more tickets are owned by individuals than brokers. Less access for you to buy tickets on the secondary markets means more to pay when you want to go to a game.

[Kaylore]

When I read the title of this thread I had a flash back of Super Bowl XXIV. The horror. I'd like that game to be erased from memory.

LOL Yeah me too. I was like "what jerk is making us re-live this?"

[Meck77]

The Bill......http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2008a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont/CEBE5B81140FD08D8725738D0072E60D?Open&file=024_01.pdf

It should have been written that the Broncos would buy the ticket back at face value. The value just wasn't there this season. Ha! I'm actually only partially joking. I had to give some tickets away as I couldn't even sell some for $20 bucks. No joke.

It's never there for preseason games.

If one good thing came out of this season is that the scalpers got what they deserved this season. Profits had to be minimal this season at best. It's going to hurt them heading into next season also.

[CBF1]

I think the scalpers offer a hot dog and a coke with each purchase ROFL!

[broncos loveI]

The Bill......http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2008a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont/CEBE5B81140FD08D8725738D0072E60D?Open&file=024_01.pdf

It should have been written that the Broncos would buy the ticket back at face value. The value just wasn't there this season. Ha! I'm actually only partially joking. I had to give some tickets away as I couldn't even sell some for $20 bucks. No joke.

It's never there for preseason games.

If one good thing came out of this season is that the scalpers got what they deserved this season. Profits had to be minimal this season at best. It's going to hurt them heading into next season also.

I hear you man. I had two tickets to the Titans game, but my brother-in-law couldn't come. I tried to sell the other ticket ,but could not get $1 for it. I still have that ticket at my house. I wish I was in Denver to get cheap tickets. Some people don't know what they have , until you live in a state without a professional team.

[ak1971]

Good..I think its BS that I am supposed to sell tickets (at face value) through the Broncos and let them take a 10% cut.

[Meck77]

I've heard some good things about Tochtrop from other Colorado Senators lately. She is drawing up legislation for Property Rights (Real Estate) so I've heard.

Her point is the Broncos are double dipping but isn't that 10% cut going to TicketMaster? If the Broncos make even ONE cent on the second sale of the ticket then I say she has a VERY VALID point that they are double dipping.

Either way I see your point AK. A 10% loss to the consumer is just that no matter how you slice it.

[Meck77]

Question:

Is there a fee when you buy a ticket thru this ticket exchange process and how much?

[TailgateNut]

There are fees for both, the seller (10% loss) and the buyer pays the regular ticketmaster fees of about $8 per ticket.

I personally do not like this proposal because it will have the fans who are currently on the waiting list waiting forever for their chance to get tix. If Season ticket holders are allowed to re-sell the tickets, why would they give them up? They wouldn't!

[DivineLegion]

does this help prevent mass scalping too?

[TailgateNut]

does this help prevent mass scalping too?

It actually allows it!

[smalltowngrll]

There are fees for both, the seller (10% loss) and the buyer pays the regular ticketmaster fees of about $8 per ticket.

I personally do not like this proposal because it will have the fans who are currently on the waiting list waiting forever for their chance to get tix. If Season ticket holders are allowed to re-sell the tickets, why would they give them up? They wouldn't!

That's the only drawback!!

I don't have a problem with people who have season tickets selling those games they cannot make it to. What I DO have a problem with are those that have rights to season tickets that sell those each and every year to a broker to sell to someone else for a HUGE profit. There is a long waiting list of fans that would love to have those rights even if they are in the nose bleeds and it would give those that have held season tickets in the uppers for years the opportunity to move down.

Yeah, I guess I just want it to be 'fair'. But, we live in a world that doesn't always consider 'fairness'.

[TailgateNut]

That's the only drawback!!

I don't have a problem with people who have season tickets selling those games they cannot make it to. What I DO have a problem with are those that have rights to season tickets that sell those each and every year to a broker to sell to someone else for a HUGE profit. There is a long waiting list of fans that would love to have those rights even if they are in the nose bleeds and it would give those that have held season tickets in the uppers for years the opportunity to move down.

Yeah, I guess I just want it to be 'fair'. But, we live in a world that doesn't always consider 'fairness'.

There is a simple solution to this mess.

Give the season ticket holder a Barcoded Card which he uses to enter the stadium. If he doesn't attend the game he has two options. #1 lend his card to someone who will attend the game, or # 2 make the ticket availble for re-sale ( this would need to be streamlined to allow the season ticket holder to set a price wich is lower than face value) at the Bronco ticket window or through their service with the buyer picking up the "fee".

[B-Love]

I saw SB24 and thought, "why the **** is Tailgate Nut bringing up Montana 55 Wade Phillips 10"?

[TailgateNut]

I saw SB24 and thought, "why the **** is Tailgate Nut bringing up Montana 55 Wade Phillips 10"?


It wasn't intended to be mis-leading, but it is funny that a few thought I'm reliving that nightmare!

[broncocalijohn]

There are fees for both, the seller (10% loss) and the buyer pays the regular ticketmaster fees of about $8 per ticket.

I personally do not like this proposal because it will have the fans who are currently on the waiting list waiting forever for their chance to get tix. If Season ticket holders are allowed to re-sell the tickets, why would they give them up? They wouldn't!

I have a feeling that many will be giving up their tickets. The ticket exchange ended up having a ton of tickets left unsold so many might be giving up if they think it will happen again. To me, last years TE on some weeks showed that there were many tickets available at face value so those that didnt have season tickets, had plenty of opportunities to see games. Those that bought showed they were supporting their team in bad times. But, let us face it, many jumped off the bandwagon and didnt attend any games. I dont want to hear about those same fans not being able to "afford" second market tickets when they could have went almost all (8 out of 10) of 2007 attending at face value or less.

[Meck77]

Does the ticket exchange allow people to sell tix for less than face value or only for face value?

As we all know the "Face Value" originally paid for the tix was not market value as the season went on.

The true market value of a tix is what someone else is willing to pay. It's the same with any item other than maybe a Barrel of oil.

[TailgateNut]

Does the ticket exchange allow people to sell tix for less than face value or only for face value?

As we all know the "Face Value" originally paid for the tix was not market value as the season went on.

The true market value of a tix is what someone else is willing to pay. It's the same with any item other than maybe a Barrel of oil.

No, currently you cannot "re-price" your ticket lower based on supply and demand. That's one problem with the ticket exchange, the other problem has always been the "overpriced" pre-season tickets.

[Meck77]

I'm not sure there is a one size fits all solution. I guess the reality is the season ticket holders are the ones with the right to complain directly to the Broncos.

Seems like it would have been reasonable to get the input from them and try to form a policy that would please the majority or at least those that choose to respond if asked.

Were you guys ever asked via a letter? Was there some notice that this exchange policy was coming down the pipe?

Sorry for all the questions but property rights is something that is near and dear to my heart these days. My number is coming due pretty soon but I'm not sure what stance to take with this new bill. Trying to figure it out.

What I'm would like to know is do the Broncos in fact make money the second time the ticket is sold. I do think your credit card style ticket idea has some legs and that the Broncos should hire TailgateNut as a Broncos fan liaison. :pimp:

The reality is we Broncos fans of the mane have the advantage of working together to help one another out with our own ticket exchange. I think it has served the community pretty well from what I can see other than an occasional spat about price.:~ohyah!:

[broncocalijohn]

No input from the STH. I would think the best solution is to be able to mark up 50% and lower the price 50%. This way people can sell their preseason games at below face value and make it up on regular games.

[Meck77]

STH? What is that?

Ok I called the Broncos ticket office and talked to some guy named Rich. He said that the Broncos actually changed the exchange policy a bit with 3 games left in the season.

He said that the 10% fee was no longer charged to the seller. He said it was the buyer that paid the transaction fee. Don't quote him on this but he did believe that some of the "fee" was kept by the Broncos for providing the "Venue" to facilitate the transaction. I suppose there is time/staff involved that does have a cost to the Broncos for providing the service. The question is should people be forced to use the service they may not want to use or should they be able to sell tix on the open market at a price they want. Either way it does seem like some price fixing if market conditions/price is less than actual face value of the ticket. If nobody wants to pay you full price for your seat plus the 10% you are basically dead in the water by using the exchange.

He also said that historically that about 1,000 people move up the wait list each year.

[TailgateNut]

He also said that historically that about 1,000 people move up the wait list each year.


BUT, if they eliminate the scalpers from reselling tix that number would increase tenfold until all those bastages are out of business!

[smalltowngrll]

STH? What is that?


Season Ticket Holders?

[Meck77]

Attn: Season ticket holders and Future season ticket holders. There is an update!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/01/broncos-ticket-bill-advances/


Broncos ticket bill advances
By Katie McCrimmon, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 01:08 p.m., February 1, 2008
Updated 02:11 p.m., February 1, 2008
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A bill that would allow season ticket holders to re-sell tickets to individual Denver Broncos games moved closer to passage in the Senate today after lawmakers passed an amendment clarifying that season ticket holders could not auction off future rights to their seats.

Senators likely will give final approval to SB24 on Monday. The bill then moves to the House.

Sen. Lois Tochtrop, D-Thornton, sponsored the bill after the Broncos sent season ticket holders a letter last spring instructing them that they could not re-sell their tickets. Fans balked and contacted Tochtrop, who introduced her bill in January.

"This is a sports team that is supported by their fans. They play in a publicly funded stadium. I find it very unfair not to allow these season ticket holders, who are very loyal to the Broncos, to sell their tickets. I find it very greedy on their part," Tochtrop said of the Broncos.

Joe Ellis, chief operating officer of the Denver Broncos, said the amendment clarifying future rights was a "step in the right direction." But the team still opposes the bill.

"It's directed at us and our scalping policy. We're disappointed they didn't throw the bill out,'' Ellis said. "They chose to ignore many of the reasons we gave about why this is bad legislation.''

Senators also exempted the ski industry from the bill, a move that Ellis said shows the ski industry got preferential treatment over sports organizations including the Broncos, Rockies, Avalanche, Nuggets and college teams like the CU Buffaloes.

Tochtrop supported Friday's amendment to garner broad support for her bill. She said lobbyists for the sports teams had been trying to gut her bill. Instead, Tochtrop's colleague, Sen. Shawn Mitchell, R-Broomfield, introduced the amendment that clarified that sports team operators could prohibit season ticket holders from selling future rights.

Senators in both political parties are now confident that the bill will pass.

Mitchell said the teams were out of line when they threatened to punish season-ticket holders if they could not attend a game and sold the tickets.

"The Broncos and Rockies are generously subsidized by tax dollars. So, I don't feel bad about enforcing fair-play standards on teams that are drinking at the public trough," Mitchell said.

Tochtrop does not own Broncos season tickets. But, one of her colleagues, Sen. Chris Romer, D-Denver, acknowledged that his family has long split four season tickets. He supported the amendment because he wants to ensure that fans, not corporate buyers, continue to own tickets at professional sporting events. If current season ticket holders were allowed to auction future rights, Romer anticipated that well-heeled corporations would snap them up.

"You want the original people in orange wigs and bare chests," said Romer.

He said his family has never sold their tickets because there is such high demand.

"I'm really glad this isn't like Yankee Stadium where you had to be on the Mayflower or be an investment banker to get season tickets," Romer said, taking a shot at his own profession.

[TailgateNut]

...and the Broncos respond with...........a season ticket price increase.:giggle:

[Meck77]

...and the Broncos respond with...........a season ticket price increase.:giggle:

Across the board ticket increase or various sections? I know they've been "phasing them in" the last several years.

[TailgateNut]

Across the board ticket increase or various sections? I know they've been "phasing them in" the last several years.


All sections except the second level north end zone.

[Bronco Billy]

"You want the original people in orange wigs and bare chests," said Romer.


Only in Colorado could you find a quote like this from a State Senator! It is Broncos country!

[Bronco Billy]

...and the Broncos respond with...........a season ticket price increase.:giggle:

They haven't increased prices for a few years now. It was probably going to happen anyway.

If the bill passes, the Broncos could just raise ticket prices to what people were selling the tickets for anyway to get the same effect. I know they wouldn't do this though. Heck, the Redskins charge $29 - $99 for general admission tickets.

[TailgateNut]

They haven't increased prices for a few years now. It was probably going to happen anyway.

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Au contraire mon frere'. They raised prices last season also.

[Bronco Billy]

Au contraire mon frere'. They raised prices last season also.

I don't know French, but I think I stand corrected. :dummy:

[Meck77]

SB 24 (Tochtrop, D-Thornton): Eliminates restrictions that prevent holders of season tickets to sports events and shows from selling their tickets to others.

Just got confirmation today that Senator Tochtrop will be speaking at our pig roast this weekend. :thumbsup:

If any of you season ticket holders want me to pass a message along to her or ask a question about her season ticket bill let me know. She's a real nice lady and from what I've gathered one of the strongest supporters of private property rights in Colorado.

[broncocalijohn]

Ask her if she needs a couple of good south stands tickets, I will sell them to her for top dollar :) . My Chargers season seats went up another $7. I believe they will now be about $97 a ticket. $20 more than Broncos so at least we have that compared to the Chargers.

[TailgateNut]

Just got confirmation today that Senator Tochtrop will be speaking at our pig roast this weekend. :thumbsup:

If any of you season ticket holders want me to pass a message along to her or ask a question about her season ticket bill let me know. She's a real nice lady and from what I've gathered one of the strongest supporters of private property rights in Colorado.


Ask her which scalpers donated money to her campaigns, and why she thinks this bill will help keep the tix out of scalpers hands, because to me it appears to accomplish the complete opposite.

[Meck77]

*UPDATE*

Bill debated @ the Capital.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/22/broncos-tickets-rule-house/