CNN: Ron Paul emerges as a significant player

[Taco John]

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[Spider]

Sad........ clinging to a ray of hope ......getting excited over what CNN says = desperation

[Taco John]

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[SonOfLe-loLang]

If you honestly think Ron Paul has a chance in this race, you're out of your mind.

[OregonBronco]

Why do you guys hate on Ron Paul so much? He's a principled man with clear-cut, well-reasoned positions on all the issues and firmly believes in the constitution. Why does that make him a kook and why does supporting him make me "2 cans short of a 6 pack"?

Is it because he doesn't fall in line with the mainstream Neo-cons and Neo-libs ideals of how we should run the country? That's fine if you don't agree with his positions, but all the hate and name-calling is ridiculous. Some supporters can be a little overzealous sometimes, but most of us are pretty normal, hard-working folks. We're just tired of the usual bulls*** politics and are ready for a change.

If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.

[Meck77]

If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.

Amen.....

More and more people are learning about Ron Paul by the day.

[Bob]

I am getting tired of hearing about this guy, and pumping him up when "the people" spoke yesterday. They said they were not very interested in him. You can spin all you want, but he did not do very well. Be honest. He placed 5th right? How is that a good thing?

[Spider]

Why do you guys hate on Ron Paul so much? He's a principled man with clear-cut, well-reasoned positions on all the issues and firmly believes in the constitution. Why does that make him a kook and why does supporting him make me "2 cans short of a 6 pack"?

Is it because he doesn't fall in line with the mainstream Neo-cons and Neo-libs ideals of how we should run the country? That's fine if you don't agree with his positions, but all the hate and name-calling is ridiculous. Some supporters can be a little overzealous sometimes, but most of us are pretty normal, hard-working folks. We're just tired of the usual bulls*** politics and are ready for a change.

If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got.

He is a Birtcher ....... and some of his ideas are Isolationistic in nature ...... I dont think we need ot be in Iraq , but we sure in the hell had every right to go into afghanistan ..... I dont see Ron Paul doing that ...... cant have a wimp in office ...... we dont need a bully like Bush ,but we do need someone that will put boot to ass when called for

[Taco John]

I am getting tired of hearing about this guy, and pumping him up when "the people" spoke yesterday. They said they were not very interested in him. You can spin all you want, but he did not do very well. Be honest. He placed 5th right? How is that a good thing?



He place in double digits, took out the former national front runner, brought in the most independants out to the caucuses, and was very competitive with Fred Thompson and John McCain in one of the toughest states he'll compete in. And now the media is saying that he's a legitimate candidate.

Why are we supposed to feel bad about that?

[Taco John]

I dont think we need ot be in Iraq , but we sure in the hell had every right to go into afghanistan ..... I dont see Ron Paul doing that ......

Actually, Ron Paul agrees with that. He voted in favor of going in Afghanistan, but is upset that we used it as an opportunity to patrol an oil pipeline that was being developed at the time, rather than going after Al Queda.

[OregonBronco]

I am getting tired of hearing about this guy, and pumping him up when "the people" spoke yesterday. They said they were not very interested in him. You can spin all you want, but he did not do very well. Be honest. He placed 5th right? How is that a good thing?

Iowa spoke yesterday. And if Iowa was solely responsible for picking who's going to run your country, you'd be looking at President Huckabee right now.

Paul has had a tiny fraction of the media coverage of the other big name players in both parties, didn't spend a lot of money and effort in Iowa and still kicked the crap out of Rudy and gave Thompson and McCain a run for their money. I'd say that's a pretty good showing.

Grassroots efforts take a long time to develop, but can end up being a major force in the long run.

[Taco John]

Oh, and before I get told that the oil pipeline is a caonspiracy theory and it never happened:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2017044.stm

[Spider]

Actually, Ron Paul agrees with that. He voted in favor of going in Afghanistan, but is upset that we used it as an opportunity to patrol an oil pipeline that was being developed at the time, rather than going after Al Queda.

I dont doubt the patrolling of the pipeline , but I doubt RP will put boot to ass ...But RP is right , we should have tore Bin Laden a new one .........

[Bronco Bob]

Is it because he doesn't fall in line with the mainstream Neo-cons and Neo-libs


What exactly is a "Neo-lib". Is that just some word you made up,
or can you give us a definition and some examples of people were
are "Neo-libs"?

[Bronco Bob]

He place in double digits, took out the former national front runner,

Name one front runner that was actively campaigning in Iowa that Ron Paul beat. I can't think of any.



[ brought in the most independants out to the caucuses,

Could have sworn it was Barack Obama who did that and won with the
independent vote.

and was very competitive with Fred Thompson and John McCain in one of the toughest states he'll compete in. And now the media is saying that he's a legitimate candidate.

Still lost to both of them.

[yavoon]

Iowa spoke yesterday. And if Iowa was solely responsible for picking who's going to run your country, you'd be looking at President Huckabee right now.

Paul has had a tiny fraction of the media coverage of the other big name players in both parties, didn't spend a lot of money and effort in Iowa and still kicked the crap out of Rudy and gave Thompson and McCain a run for their money. I'd say that's a pretty good showing.

Grassroots efforts take a long time to develop, but can end up being a major force in the long run.

is neo-lib a word? is that like the fruity progressive/socialist/communist side?

[Taco John]

Name one front runner that was actively campaigning in Iowa that Ron Paul beat. I can't think of any.



Rudy Giuliani spent more days in Iowa than Dr. Paul did, and he still got skunked by him. If your point is that Rudy was so abhorrent to Iowans that he finally gave up knowing that he was going to come in last, then how is that my problem?

I love how much time everybody is spending on these forums to tell me that I should stop being enthusiastic about my candidate rather than spreading any enthusiasm for their own. That's exactly what we want.

[Taco John]

Could have sworn it was Barack Obama who did that and won with the
independent vote.



You're mistaking the Republican race for the Democratic one. Barack Obama is a democrat. Ron Paul is a Republican. Ron Paul beat every other Republican in drawing out independent voters.

[Taco John]

I dont doubt the patrolling of the pipeline , but I doubt RP will put boot to ass ...But RP is right , we should have tore Bin Laden a new one .........


Haha... Put boot to ass. You talk like a neo-con.

[Meck77]

I love how much time everybody is spending on these forums to tell me that I should stop being enthusiastic about my candidate rather than spreading any enthusiasm for their own. That's exactly what we want.

That is interesting isn't it. I keep asking people who they are voting for and the questions go ignored. Why is that?

LABF is voting for Gore.Hilarious!
Not sure who Nut is voting for but I think he hates bush and paul. Ha!
Spider? What about you? You are an Edwards guy right?
Bob?


Here is a good breakdown of the numbers from Iowa. The difference between 3rd and 5th is only a few thousand votes.
http://www.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html



These guys have a better chance of turning me into a Raider fan before I give my vote to anyone other than Dr. Paul.

[broncocalijohn]

Iowa spoke yesterday. And if Iowa was solely responsible for picking who's going to run your country, you'd be looking at President Huckabee right now.

Paul has had a tiny fraction of the media coverage of the other big name players in both parties, didn't spend a lot of money and effort in Iowa and still kicked the crap out of Rudy and gave Thompson and McCain a run for their money. I'd say that's a pretty good showing.

Grassroots efforts take a long time to develop, but can end up being a major force in the long run.

Iowa winning isnt a good thing. Reagan didnt win there, Carter didnt, Bush lost to Dole there and others since the big media slobber fest of Iowa. Even though i am undecided and dont see myself going with Paul, I do see NH looking his way much more than Iowa. Clinton came out of nowhere to win the presidency so even though it is a long shot, he is still a candidate that has many votes. Republicans against Iraq war has a following and then add str8 line conservative/libertarians.

[Bronco Bob]

Iowa winning isnt a good thing. Reagan didnt win there, Carter didnt, Bush lost to Dole there and others since the big media slobber fest of Iowa. Even though i am undecided and dont see myself going with Paul, I do see NH looking his way much more than Iowa. Clinton came out of nowhere to win the presidency so even though it is a long shot, he is still a candidate that has many votes. Republicans against Iraq war has a following and then add str8 line conservative/libertarians.

Technically uncommitted got 37% of the vote in 1976 with
Jimmy Carter getting 28%. But most people do credit Iowa as
a win for Carter in 1976.
You do have a point with Bill Clinton. In the 1992 Iowa Caucus,
Clinton got 3% of the vote. But that's because everyone
conceded Iowa to native son Tom Harkin, who got 76% of the vote.

[Florida_Bronco]

I'll keep supporting Paul, and will vote for him in the coming election.

We'll see what happens then.

[enjolras]

Neo-Liberal is a real term. Classic examples of neo-liberals: Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan, and the like.

[TailgateNut]

That is interesting isn't it. I keep asking people who they are voting for and the questions go ignored. Why is that?

LABF is voting for Gore.Hilarious!
Not sure who Nut is voting for but I think he hates bush and paul. Ha!
Spider? What about you? You are an Edwards guy right?
Bob?


Here is a good breakdown of the numbers from Iowa. The difference between 3rd and 5th is only a few thousand votes.
http://www.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html



These guys have a better chance of turning me into a Raider fan before I give my vote to anyone other than Dr. Paul.


Well at least you are correct with one of you assumptions. I HATE BUSH and the people who voted for him the second time. The first time I can excuse as just plain ignorance.
I don't HATE Ron Paul AKA the "Wet Chihuahua". I just think he and his followers need a reality check. I love the fact that he will singlehandedly defeat the Republicans' chances at a seat in the Oval office.

Go Ron Paul! Rah Rah RahHilarious!

You have a basket of fruits running for the nomination!

Huckabeeeeee-another religious fruitcake.
Guilliani- Puleeeze, he's a ****ing JOKE and anyone who supports/ believes in him, needs to have their head examined.
McCain- he still wants to avenge his time in the concentration camp on anybody, the guy is certifiable!
Romney- will be eaten by the religious right who wont accept a Mormon.
Ron Paul- who, if he had had a brain, should have run on an independant ticket, because his own party will have him erased if he even comes close to nomination.



Good Luck!

[Bob]

That is interesting isn't it. I keep asking people who they are voting for and the questions go ignored. Why is that?

LABF is voting for Gore.Hilarious!
Not sure who Nut is voting for but I think he hates bush and paul. Ha!
Spider? What about you? You are an Edwards guy right?
Bob?


Here is a good breakdown of the numbers from Iowa. The difference between 3rd and 5th is only a few thousand votes.
http://www.politico.com/iowacaucuses/iowamap-popup.html



These guys have a better chance of turning me into a Raider fan before I give my vote to anyone other than Dr. Paul.

According to a recent poll I took, I should vote for Edwards. I was a supporter of Huckabee before he caught fire, and I found out how weak he is on issues of imigration. I liked Tencredo, but only 15 others liked him -- so I would vote for Romney now, but would have to hold my nose while doing it. He seems plastic, and seems like a flip-flopper -- but what does a radical like me get my fill? Thompson? Maybe: if he can get enthusiastic about his own chances.

I only want a guy who can string two sentences together, deal with illegals, control spending and that does not pretend that if we just let the radical Muslims alone we would all live in harmony. I am in an ideological wasteland -- unless I run for president.

[baja]

According to a recent poll I took, I should vote for Edwards. I was a supporter of Huckabee before he caught fire, and I found out how weak he is on issues of imigration. I liked Tencredo, but only 15 others liked him -- so I would vote for Romney now, but would have to hold my nose while doing it. He seems plastic, and seems like a flip-flopper -- but what does a radical like me get my fill? Thompson? Maybe: if he can get enthusiastic about his own chances.

I only want a guy who can string two sentences together, deal with illegals, control spending<b> and that does not pretend that if we just let the radical Muslims alone we would all live in harmony. </b> I am in an ideological wasteland -- unless I run for president.

Although I agree with him this is the issue that will keep Ron Paul from ever getting the repug nomination.

[SoCalBronco]

Mr. Paul had a solid showing at 11 percent.

[baja]

Doctor Paul

[TailgateNut]

Although I agree with him this is the issue that will keep Ron Paul from ever getting the repug nomination.

That's not the only one.
Just think Military in general. It's the noose which will hang him in the court of Republican standards!

[OregonBronco]

What exactly is a "Neo-lib". Is that just some word you made up,
or can you give us a definition and some examples of people were
are "Neo-libs"?

I just made that up, but it's what I define as the people on the Dem side that have essentially the same ideas on foreign policy, the economy and personal freedoms as the Neo-cons, but sugar coat it with crap that doesn't really matter to how the country is run. For example, any Democrat that voted for the PATRIOT Act, which includes Hillary.

Now, do you have anything meaningful to add to the discussion or are you going to spend all thread questioning my word choice?