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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-02-2008, 08:45 PM
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By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer 25 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department opened a full criminal investigation Wednesday into the destruction of CIA interrogation videotapes, putting the politically charged probe in the hands of a mob-busting public corruption prosecutor with a reputation for being independent.

Attorney General Michael Mukasey announced that he was appointing John Durham, a federal prosecutor in Connecticut, to oversee the investigation of a case that has challenged the Bush administration's controversial handling of terrorism suspects.

The CIA acknowledged last month that in 2005 it destroyed videos of officers using tough interrogation methods while questioning two al-Qaida suspects. The acknowledgment sparked a congressional inquiry and a preliminary investigation by Justice into whether the CIA violated any laws or obstructed congressional inquiries such as the one led by the Sept. 11 Commission.

"The Department's National Security Division has recommended, and I have concluded, that there is a basis for initiating a criminal investigation of this matter, and I have taken steps to begin that investigation," Mukasey said in a statement released Wednesday.

Durham, who has served with the Justice Department for 25 years, has a reputation as one of the nation's most relentless prosecutors. He was appointed to investigate the FBI's use of mob informants in Boston, an investigation that sent former FBI agent John Connolly to prison.

"Nobody in this country is above the law, an FBI agent or otherwise," Durham said in 2002 after Connolly's conviction.

Mukasey made the move after prosecutors from the Eastern District of Virginia, which includes the CIA's headquarters in Langley, Va., removed themselves from the case. CIA Inspector General John L. Helgerson, who worked with the Justice Department on the preliminary inquiry, also removed himself.

"The CIA will of course cooperate fully with this investigation as it has with the others into this matter," agency spokesman Mark Mansfield said.

Mukasey named Durham the acting U.S. attorney on the case, a designation the Justice Department frequently makes when top prosecutors take themselves off a case. He will not serve as a special prosecutor like Patrick Fitzgerald, who operated autonomously while investigating the 2003 leak of a CIA operative's identity.

"The Justice Department went out and got somebody with complete independence and integrity," said former Connecticut U.S. Attorney Stanley Twardy, who worked with Durham. "No politics whatsoever. It's going to be completely by the book and he's going to let the chips fall where they may."

The CIA already has agreed to open its files to congressional investigators, who have begun reviewing documents at the agency's Virginia headquarters. The House Intelligence Committee has ordered Jose Rodriguez, the former CIA official who directed the tapes be destroyed, to appear at a hearing Jan. 16.

Rodriguez's attorney, Robert S. Bennett, had no comment.

Durham first gained national prominence following the 1989 murder of Mafia underboss William Grasso, which led to one of the biggest mob takedowns in U.S history. He then turned to Connecticut street gangs, winning dozens of convictions, putting some gang leaders in jail for life.

He supervised the investigation that sent former Republican Connecticut Gov. John G. Rowland and several members of his administration to prison on corruption charges.

"He'll suck the political air right out of the investigation and just go after the facts," said Mike Clark, a retired FBI agent who investigated Rowland. "He's going to do it his way and just keep digging."

In June 2005, U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy, who was overseeing a case in which U.S.-held terror suspects were challenging their detention at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, ordered the Bush administration to safeguard "all evidence and information regarding the torture, mistreatment and abuse of detainees now at the United States Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay."

Five months later, the CIA destroyed the interrogation videos. The recordings involved suspected terrorists Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. The Justice Department has argued to Kennedy that the videos weren't covered by his order because the two men were being held in secret CIA prisons overseas, not at Guantanamo Bay.

The tapes' destruction has riled members of the commission that investigated the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. In an opinion piece in Wednesday's New York Times, commission chairmen Tom Keane and Lee Hamilton accused the CIA of failing to respond to requests for information about the 9/11 plot.

Anyone at the agency who knew about the tapes and failed to disclose them "obstructed our investigation," said Keane, a former Republican governor of New Jersey, and Hamilton, a former Democratic House member from Indiana.

The CIA has asserted that Keane and Hamilton's panel had not been specific enough in their requests and they should have asked for interrogation videos if that is what they wanted.

On Capitol Hill, the House Intelligence Committee wants to know who authorized the tapes' destruction; who in the CIA, Justice Department and White House knew about it and when, and why Congress was not fully informed.

The committee, which had threatened to subpoena the records if they do not get access, also wants to know exactly what was shown on the tapes.

Since leaving the White House shortly before Christmas, President Bush has not addressed the tapes' destruction. Before going to Camp David, then his ranch in Crawford, Texas, Bush said he was confident that investigations by Congress and the Justice Department "will end up enabling us all to find out what exactly happened."

He repeated his assertion that his "first recollection" of being told about the tapes and their destruction was when CIA Director Michael Hayden briefed him on it in early December.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Mukasey's announcement proved that lawmakers "were right to be concerned with possible obstruction of justice and obstruction of Congress."

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., also lauded Mukasey's decision to launch a criminal inquiry. "The rule of law requires no less," Kennedy said. "Those tapes may have been evidence of a crime, and their destruction may have been a crime in itself."

Sen. Joe Biden, a Delaware Democrat seeking his party's nomination for president, said a criminal investigation is no surprise, but suggested that Mukasey should remove himself from oversight of the investigation and appoint a special counsel "completely independent and free from political influence."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080102/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_videotapes

baja
01-02-2008, 09:01 PM
Bush is in the middle of a hard rain of cluster bombs yet he never gets hit, wonder why?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-02-2008, 09:47 PM
Bush is in the middle of a hard rain of cluster bombs yet he never gets hit, wonder why?

Because he's a Bush.

W*GS
01-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Good.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-16-2008, 07:54 PM
Lawmaker: CIA interrogation tape destruction unauthorized

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By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 25 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The CIA official who gave the command to destroy interrogation videotapes apparently acted against the direction of his superiors, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee said Wednesday.

"It appears he hadn't gotten authority from anyone," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., speaking to reporters after the first day of closed testimony in the committee's investigation. "It appears he got direction to make sure the tapes were not destroyed."

Hoekstra said that raises the troubling prospect that there's a thread of unaccountability in the spy culture.

"I believe there are parts of the intelligence community that don't believe they are accountable to Congress and may not be accountable to their own superiors in the intelligence community, and that's why it's a problem," he said.

Hoekstra spoke after the CIA's acting general counsel, John Rizzo, testified behind closed doors for nearly four hours as the first witness in what committee officials have said will be a long investigation.

"I told the truth," Rizzo said in a brief appearance before reporters.

The man at the center of the controversy, Jose Rodriguez, had been scheduled to appear Wednesday, but his demand for immunity delayed his testimony. Rodriguez was the head of the CIA's National Clandestine Service, the CIA branch that oversees spying operations and interrogations. He gave the order to destroy the tapes in November 2005.

The tapes, made in 2002, showed the harsh interrogation by CIA officers of two alleged al-Qaida terrorists, both of whom are known to have undergone waterboarding, which gives the subject the sensation of drowning.

The White House approved waterboarding and other "enhanced" techniques in 2002 for prisoners deemed resistant to conventional interrogation. The CIA is known to have waterboarded three prisoners and has not used the technique since 2003. CIA Director Michael Hayden prohibited it in 2006.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080116/ap_on_go_co/cia_videotapes

orinjkrush
01-16-2008, 08:44 PM
the FBI attacking the CIA. what is wrong with this idiocy? we are so divided in everything we are incapable of defeating the mooselimbs. this house ain't divided, its imploded. the enemy doesn't get western civilization freedoms. they get their own sharia law. off with their stinkin heads already.

Bronco Bob
01-16-2008, 10:15 PM
the FBI attacking the CIA. what is wrong with this idiocy? we are so divided in everything we are incapable of defeating the mooselimbs. this house ain't divided, its imploded. the enemy doesn't get western civilization freedoms. they get their own sharia law. off with their stinkin heads already.

If we abandon law and civil rights, how are we any different than the terrorists.
Is the solution to "They hate our freedom" to take away our freedom?

alkemical
01-16-2008, 10:16 PM
If we abandon law and civil rights, how are we any different than the terrorists.
Is the solution to "They hate our freedom" to take away our freedom?

why not, newspeak has seemingly won over the sheep.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-17-2008, 09:08 PM
Judge suspects CIA duped court in destroying tapes

By Christine Kearney Thu Jan 17, 5:23 PM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A U.S. judge deciding if the CIA should be held in contempt for destroying video tapes of interrogations of suspected Islamist militants said on Thursday he believed the court had been deceived by the agency.

U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein was responding to arguments by the American Civil Liberties Union, which accused the Central Intelligence Agency of flouting a court order by destroying the tapes after Freedom of Information Act requests filed by the ACLU in 2003 and 2004.

Hellerstein said he found it "hard to believe" the tapes did not produce any notes or markers that could have been turned over. Government lawyers argued that the videotapes were the subject of a CIA "special review" of the detention program, not an investigation, and were therefore held in operational files not included in the court order.

"If there are hundreds of hours of videotape it's inconceivable to me that someone doing a special review or investigation of what is going on would not make a summary," Hellerstein said in Manhattan federal court.

"It would seem to me, in fact, that you were gulled and the court was gulled," he told Assistant U.S. Attorney Peter Skinner, before adding he was "disappointed" by the agency's practice.

Hellerstein said he would likely rule the CIA had shown noncompliance but not find it in contempt and left open the possibility that he may subpoena CIA officials.

The CIA disclosed in December that in 2005 it destroyed hundreds of hours of tapes showing the harsh interrogations of two detainees, suspected al Qaeda members Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.

Among the techniques believed to have been used in the 2002 interrogations was a simulated form of drowning known as waterboarding that has been condemned internationally as torture.

The destruction of the tapes prompted an outcry by human rights activists and triggered investigations by Congress and the Justice Department.

Civil rights groups, including the ACLU, had sought records from several departments and agencies, including the CIA, Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Defense relating to treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody overseas, including in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The ACLU is seeking a reconstruction of the tapes in the form of any notes or transcripts.

To date, more than 100,000 pages of documents have been released. The CIA has objected to releasing many documents, arguing that they are classified and would compromise national security interests.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080117/pl_nm/security_cia_hearing_dc

orinjkrush
01-17-2008, 11:03 PM
If we abandon law and civil rights, how are we any different than the terrorists.
Is the solution to "They hate our freedom" to take away our freedom?

if i hold a gun to your head and rape your wife, will you protect my civil rights? if you do, you are a fool. they cleverly use your ideology against you.

habeas corpus was suspended by Lincoln too. when the nation's survival is at stake.

at some time you have to fight and kill them, not honoring their "rights". otherwise you and your heirs will occupy a mass unmarked, naive, pacifistic grave.

western civilization rules are for civilized peoples, people who are not committed to the downfall of your society. their systems of thought: religious, moral, scientific, economic, social are bankrupt and need to be exterminated. and they certainly don't need to be respected here. it is a clash of civilizations, that unfortunately we are losing because of our collective mind cramping.

then we can move on and spread peace, freedom and civil rights. :peace:

alkemical
01-18-2008, 12:02 AM
wow! I didn't know rape and murder were with in my civil rights. All this time i've been missing out on some pillaging.

Whew, now that we got that silly business settled.....

Spider
01-18-2008, 12:11 AM
wow! I didn't know rape and murder were with in my civil rights. All this time i've been missing out on some pillaging.

Whew, now that we got that silly business settled.....
I knew I forgot someone on on my list for memos .... my bad

alkemical
01-18-2008, 12:18 AM
For what?

Spider
01-18-2008, 12:20 AM
if i hold a gun to your head and rape your wife, will you protect my civil rights? if you do, you are a fool. they cleverly use your ideology against you.

habeas corpus was suspended by Lincoln too. when the nation's survival is at stake.

at some time you have to fight and kill them, not honoring their "rights". otherwise you and your heirs will occupy a mass unmarked, naive, pacifistic grave.

western civilization rules are for civilized peoples, people who are not committed to the downfall of your society. their systems of thought: religious, moral, scientific, economic, social are bankrupt and need to be exterminated. and they certainly don't need to be respected here. it is a clash of civilizations, that unfortunately we are losing because of our collective mind cramping.

then we can move on and spread peace, freedom and civil rights. :peace:
If you did do those things , you believe you should be tortured ? Better yet , how about a case of mistaken idenity , you didnt do these things , but yet someone that loooks like you did , you should be tortured ?

Spider
01-18-2008, 12:21 AM
For what?

Murder and rape being in your cival rights . part of my platform to be pres .....

alkemical
01-18-2008, 12:24 AM
Murder and rape being in your cival rights . part of my platform to be pres .....


Hmm, give me some title with Czar in it, and i'll make it happen!

Spider
01-18-2008, 12:26 AM
Hmm, give me some title with Czar in it, and i'll make it happen!

Clav= The new Czar of tin foil .......... PS watch out for the Virgin Ambasador to bangcok , He is slitghly touched ;D

Bronco Bob
01-18-2008, 12:28 AM
if i hold a gun to your head and rape your wife, will you protect my civil rights? if you do, you are a fool. they cleverly use your ideology against you.

habeas corpus was suspended by Lincoln too. when the nation's survival is at stake.


And just how is the survival of our nation at stake right now?
There is a lot of difference between half the states going to war with the
other half and a few nutty religious fanatics blowing up a few things.
The only risk to our nation is by the Bush cabal using that as an
excuse for a power grab.





at some time you have to fight and kill them, not honoring their "rights". otherwise you and your heirs will occupy a mass unmarked, naive, pacifistic grave.

western civilization rules are for civilized peoples, people who are not committed to the downfall of your society. their systems of thought: religious, moral, scientific, economic, social are bankrupt and need to be exterminated. and they certainly don't need to be respected here. it is a clash of civilizations, that unfortunately we are losing because of our collective mind cramping.

then we can move on and spread peace, freedom and civil rights. :peace:

Nothing says that a handful of religious fanatics can't be fought in
a way that doesn't deprive the rest of us of our rights and liberties.
As Franklin said, someone who is willing to sacrifice their liberty
for security deserves neither.

alkemical
01-18-2008, 12:28 AM
Clav= The new Czar of tin foil .......... PS watch out for the Virgin Ambasador to bangcok , He is slitghly touched ;D


I'll get cool iron on patches for my department!

Spider
01-18-2008, 12:30 AM
I'll get cool iron on patches for my department!

LOL , you can have what ever you want ....... I have the Dave get started right away on it

Spider
01-18-2008, 12:33 AM
PS. Clav , you wont have to accept anything that has assless chaps in it .....

alkemical
01-18-2008, 12:35 AM
Well, i'd only wear them to press meetings anyway

Spider
01-18-2008, 12:38 AM
Well, i'd only wear them to press meetings anyway

LOL .....

orinjkrush
01-18-2008, 01:03 PM
wow! I didn't know rape and murder were with in my civil rights. All this time i've been missing out on some pillaging.

Whew, now that we got that silly business settled.....

only silly in a PC sheeple world. Read and heed. "Muslim Rape Wave in Sweeden"

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={08C88AE6-74B3-4627-B42C-63E068365F58}

and "Arab masters raping boy slaves"

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28304

and then "Muslim rapes Woman for reading Bible"

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21567726-2,00.html

and just for good measure..a recent French lad raped in Dubai

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3040685.ece


Now, I don't know if Christians rape others as frequently (Catholic Priests sure seem to) , but I do know that under Sharia law, Dhimmis (us) have NO rights of redress. None. No Civil rights. None. So yeah, tolerance baby.

alkemical
01-18-2008, 01:06 PM
only silly in a PC sheeple world. Read and heed. "Muslim Rape Wave in Sweeden"

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={08C88AE6-74B3-4627-B42C-63E068365F58}

and "Arab masters raping boy slaves"

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28304

and then "Muslim rapes Woman for reading Bible"

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21567726-2,00.html

and just for good measure..a recent French lad raped in Dubai

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3040685.ece


Now, I don't know if Christians rape others as frequently (Catholic Priests sure seem to) , but I do know that under Sharia law, Dhimmis (us) have NO rights of redress. None. No Civil rights. None. So yeah, tolerance baby.


Wow imagine that! This now turns into a crusade! Whoohoo! Here i must have been so dumb reading the constitution and state laws to miss that i can rape and pillage? Hey what's your family doing this weekend, i got some viagra!