#12 and #43 - What Do You Want?

[SpringStein]

What positions or players do you hope to see at picks #12 and #43? (Recent history says we are likely to be picking other than there, but this is today!)

For me, at 12 - LT
Michael Oher
Jeff Otah
Ryan Clady

At 43 - LB (historically this is a sweet spot for good LBs)
Ali Highsmith or Phillip Wheeler if OLB
Beau Bell or Jasper Brinkley if MLB

[27atwater]

Kenny Phillips and Jon Goff/Beau Bell

OR

Dan Connor and Jon Goff/Beau Bell

OR

Sedrick Ellis and Jon Goff/Beau Bell

[27atwater]

Is #43 a lock condisdering that there is no #32 in round 1 and our draft group rotates each round...cuz I had us at 42?

If we pick 4th in our group w/ the same record in round 1, we pick 3rd in that group w/ Cincy going to the back of the line in the second.

[SpringStein]

I'm wondering about the rotation, do you have a link to anywhere that outlines that?

I knew it might not be 43, I just went with 12 plus 31 in this year's first.

[ayjackson]

Left tackles and/or linebackers please. I wouldn't mind Sedrick Ellis either, but I think he'll go high. I want no part of a first round safety - waste of a pick in my opinion.

[27atwater]

I'm wondering about the rotation, do you have a link to anywhere that outlines that?

I knew it might not be 43, I just went with 12 plus 31 in this year's first.

I don't have a link, but I noticed it a few years ago when 3 or 4 teams had the same record. It went:

round 1: 1,2,3,4
round 2: 2,3,4,1
round 3: 3,4,1,2...etc

I've paid attention every year since and it follows true.

[27atwater]

Left tackles and/or linebackers please. I wouldn't mind Sedrick Ellis either, but I think he'll go high. I want no part of a first round safety - waste of a pick in my opinion.

We currently don't even have any prospects at Safety. Lynch is likely gone and Fergy is a memory. The rest is a steaming pile. Safety is very thin in this draft and Kenny would be an immediate impact player. I'd also try to sign Ken Hamlin or Gibril Wilson to go along side of him.

[lex]

We currently don't even have any prospects at Safety. Lynch is likely gone and Fergy is a memory. The rest is a steaming pile. Safety is very thin in this draft and Kenny would be an immediate impact player. I'd also try to sign Ken Hamlin or Gibril Wilson to go along side of him.

We should have drafted a Safety last year and so they shouldnt hold themselves hostage this year by drafting the only Safety thats first round grade.

[ayjackson]

We currently don't even have any prospects at Safety. Lynch is likely gone and Fergy is a memory. The rest is a steaming pile. Safety is very thin in this draft and Kenny would be an immediate impact player. I'd also try to sign Ken Hamlin or Gibril Wilson to go along side of him.


I think a good safety on a bad defense is a collossal waste of time. If there is no equivalent talent available, fine. However, there'll be tackles galore and a few good linebackers.

[27atwater]

We should have drafted a Safety last year and so they shouldnt hold themselves hostage this year by drafting the only Safety thats first round grade.

But we didn't and thus we do. Let's be honest though, EVERYONE last year wanted a DE who could get to the passer. We draft Michael Griffin or Reggie Nelson and Shanny woulda been butchered in the court of public opinion.

There are plenty of LBs in this year's draft and we have the luxury of having our biggest needs in areas where there should be some very solid FAs...including Safety.

[ayjackson]

According to this site (http://www.solecismic.com/frontierblog/?p=192), we have a tiebreaking coin toss with Buffalo for the 11th and 12th picks.

[lex]

But we didn't and thus we do. Let's be honest though, EVERYONE last year wanted a DE who could get to the passer. We draft Michael Griffin or Reggie Nelson and Shanny woulda been butchered in the court of public opinion.

There are plenty of LBs in this year's draft and we have the luxury of having our biggest needs in areas where there should be some very solid FAs...including Safety.


I agree about going with FAs. Its just I think there is a principle that you should draft someone only because you boxed yourself in. Thats basically the argument for Phillips. And besides, good teams are built front to back...so tackle makes more sense.

[27atwater]

I think a good safety on a bad defense is a collossal waste of time. If there is no equivalent talent available, fine. However, there'll be tackles galore and a few good linebackers.

See, that's where I disagree. The Texas DT is falling fast and looked quite soft in his bowl game...as did the Texas A&M DT. The kid from North Carolina is very raw and has as much bust potential as he does a solid future. Ellis is a great DT, but we all seem to want more girth than what he offers. I'd rather get a Dre Moore from Maryland in the 4th...even if we'd have to trade up into the 3rd. And again...LB is DEEP. In round 2, we could get Goff, Leman, Butler, Bell, Hall, Adibi.........

[27atwater]

I agree about going with FAs. Its just I think there is a principle that you should draft someone only because you boxed yourself in. Thats basically the argument for Phillips. And besides, good teams are built front to back...so tackle makes more sense.

Being boxed into a guy who is not a need or isn't a spectacular talent is one thing. Kenny Phillips has the potential to be a top 5 Safety in this league. Ellis is nice, but w/ or smallish LBs and DEs, a heavier DT is what the team needs. We can't be light all over.

Again, I'd love to get Ellis too...but we'd BETTER draft some big ass LBs w/ the next 2 pix.

[SpringStein]

I don't have a link, but I noticed it a few years ago when 3 or 4 teams had the same record. It went:

round 1: 1,2,3,4
round 2: 2,3,4,1
round 3: 3,4,1,2...etc

I've paid attention every year since and it follows true.

Makes sense, thanks. Works out OK for us as we are the 4th (of 7) teams at 7-9. That should mean in round 4, we are the first of that group if this holds true. So our pick of round 4 would be # 9 in that round. Of course our 5th rounder will be 15th of that round.

[ayjackson]

See, that's where I disagree. The Texas DT is falling fast and looked quite soft in his bowl game...as did the Texas A&M DT. The kid from North Carolina is very raw and has as much bust potential as he does a solid future. Ellis is a great DT, but we all seem to want more girth than what he offers. I'd rather get a Dre Moore from Maryland in the 4th...even if we'd have to trade up into the 3rd. And again...LB is DEEP. In round 2, we could get Goff, Leman, Butler, Bell, Hall, Adibi.........

I meant offensive tackles....that's what i said we should draft OT or LB

[27atwater]

I meant offensive tackles....that's what i said we should draft OT or LB

than nevermind.

[mattob14]

I don't think the strategy changes at all between #9 and #12 (or hopefully #11). If a top LT like Loadholdt or Clady are available, you have to take him. If not, trade down and pick up an additional 1st day pick and grab Otah, Chris Williams, or Baker later in round 1. In the 2nd, take a LB to pair with DJ.

[27atwater]

OT should be addressed via FA. We don't have time for projects if we want Cutty to survive. We have Lepsis and Harris for now, but I would like to see Jordan Gross or Max Starks brought in to give Harris more development time and as insurance for Lepsis. Safeties and LBs can make immediate impacts as rookies. Unless ya get Joe Thomas, it will take longer for an OT.

[mattob14]

OT should be addressed via FA. We don't have time for projects if we want Cutty to survive. We have Lepsis and Harris for now, but I would like to see Jordan Gross or Max Starks brought in to give Harris more development time and as insurance for Lepsis. Safeties and LBs can make immediate impacts as rookies. Unless ya get Joe Thomas, it will take longer for an OT.

I wouldn't mind a FA, too, but we need to draft a LT this year. Neither Gross or Starks will ever be a big-time LT and I don't hold out a lot of hope for Harris, either. Draft someone to come in and compete. If Lepsis beats him out, fine, use it as a developmental year and he'll be ready for 2009. We need a long-term solution there, though, not a FA who will be average at best for a couple of seasons, then fade away.

[Ratboy]

If we want a playmaker, it's going to be Kenny Phillips.

If we want someone who can protect Cutler, we're going to go with an Offensive Tackle. Loadholt and Clady could both be there at 11/12

[Ratboy]

I honestly wouldn't mind drafting Kenny Phillips, aslong as we are aggressive in Free Agency. I'm talking about Albert Haynesworth for the defense and some Offensive Linemen too.

[bpc]

Another player in the secondary in the 1st round? Are you $hitting me? What kind of joke is this? Have you seen our two biggest needs this year?

1. Cutler getting killed by lack of blocking
2. Our LB's getting trounced from not having DT's to take blocks off of them.

I'm willing to venture into the LB/WR category with the 2nd round pick but we should realistically be looking at the OL in round 1, no doubt.

[Mediator12]

OT is the value position in this draft, just like DE was the value position last year. Thankfully, we have a need to draft an OT. OT seems really deep if the juniors declare, but how many will if they are all competing to get drafted? A few should stay, but you never know. I seriously want them to draft an OT at 12. The only other position that makes sense is LB unless someone drops.

At 43, find the LB or vice versa. I might gamble on Frank Okam if he falls to the second rounder, but he will have great numbers and move up like Crowder did last year IMHO right in front of that, unless Dallas takes him to play the NT in their 3-4 at the end of round one.

BTW, I am completely amazed at the Coaching staff at Texas. They ruin more superbly talented players development than any other major school, especially the DL. Horrible technique, lazy play, and no mental skills seem to be the norm down there and they are starting to piss me off. How the HELL do those guys keep their jobs with that low quality work?

[NFLBRONCO]

OT might be smartest pick at 12. I'd prefer Phillips over a LB at 12.

[SoCalBronco]

It is very difficult to say without seeing what the FA "Plan" is, although regardless of that "Plan", I still want to move down from 12.

[27atwater]

It is very difficult to say without seeing what the FA "Plan" is, although regardless of that "Plan", I still want to move down from 12.

Stupid question cuz different people mean different things...Do you wanna get a better pick or trade out of 12 for more pix?

I personally am happy w/ our spot. If we get a better pick, I like Dorsey, McFadden and Long the DE. Otherwise, stand pat.

If we trade back for extra picks, I could see us targeting Okam.

[Ratboy]

It is very difficult to say without seeing what the FA "Plan" is, although regardless of that "Plan", I still want to move down from 12.

I'm not a fan of trading down this year. I think if we stay within 10-15 we'll find a decent player.

[bpc]

It is very difficult to say without seeing what the FA "Plan" is, although regardless of that "Plan", I still want to move down from 12.

Gotta agree. Trade back looking for our OT... i've been on Otah's trail.

See if we can pick up some additional picks.

If we can land multiple players from this pool, i'll be very happy.

Jeff Otah, Phil Loadholt, Kentwan Balmer, Beau Bell, Donnie Avery, Chris Johnson, Dan Connor, Quentin Groves, Rashard Mendenhall, Shawn Crable and Devin Thomas.

[27atwater]

Gotta agree. Trade back looking for our OT... i've been on Otah's trail.

See if we can pick up some additional picks.

If we can land multiple players from this pool, i'll be very happy.

Jeff Otah, Phil Loadholt, Kentwan Balmer, Beau Bell, Donnie Avery, Chris Johnson, Dan Connor, Quentin Groves, Rashard Mendenhall, Shawn Crable and Devin Thomas.

My pool looks like: Laurinaitis, Kenny Phillips, Dan Connor, Sedrick Ellis, Otah, Jon Goff, Beau Bell, Craig Steltz, Jamie Silva, Kerry Brown, Dre Moore, Chris Johnson, J Leman, Jamar Adams and Felix Jones. Gimme 3 from that group and I'm a happy camper.

[DBroncos4life]

Phillips would be my first choice, then any of the LBs that are up there will do fine with me. LB seems to be the safe choice. Carl Nicks is my second round hope. He has played left and right tackle. 6'5" 330 thats adding beef to the line.

[Elway777]

If no trades occur 12 Ryan Clady 43 Erin Henderson

[mhgaffney]

I think you have to take the best athlete available at DT, OT, LB or S

These are all need positions --

[NFLBRONCO]

It is very difficult to say without seeing what the FA "Plan" is, although regardless of that "Plan", I still want to move down from 12.

If Denver wouldn't screw up in FA so much I'd be happy staying put. I agree too many needs not to trade down. Build corps through draft.

[socalorado]

We currently don't even have any prospects at Safety. Lynch is likely gone and Fergy is a memory. The rest is a steaming pile. Safety is very thin in this draft and Kenny would be an immediate impact player. I'd also try to sign Ken Hamlin or Gibril Wilson to go along side of him.

There are a couple safties in this draft that are better than advertised.
If DEN does not make the neccesary moves it needs to make to aquire more draft picks to rebuild and they just drafted Phillips in the 1st, it would be a waste of a pick with the glaring holes everywhere else on the field.

There are other options at safety
SS
Josh Barrett, SS, Arizona State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 231.
40 Time: 4.49.
Projected Round: 2-3.
A monstrous safety, Josh Barrett is one of the top defensive backs in the Pac 10. He started every game in 2006, notching three picks and 82 tackles.

Kevin Ellison*, SS, USC (hasnt declared yet)
Height: 6-1. Weight: 220.
40 Time: 4.57.
Projected Round: 2-3.
A hard hitting, big safety who started every game for USC in 2006 and recorded 64 tackles in the process.

Michael Hamlin*, SS, Clemson
Height: 6-3. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round: 2-3.
Hampered by an ankle injury throughout the 2006 season, Michael Hamlin still managed to make 65 tackles and two interceptions.
FS

Quintin Demps, FS, UTEP
Height: 6-1. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.46.
Projected Round: 2-3.
It doesn't matter that Quintin Demps played in Conference USA; he still managed to accumulate seven interceptions and two forced fumbles in 2006.

Thomas DeCoud, FS, California (10/4)
Height: 6-2. Weight: 195.
40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round: 3.
An emerging player who has played extremely well in 2007. Won Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Week honors after registering a pick and a forced fumble against Arizona.
Started four games in 2006. Missed some time last year with a knee injury.

[socalorado]

Also, alot of you seem to have missed the boat on the real "gold" at FREE SAFETY!!!
The only true FS with a 1st round grade is Phillips, yes, but there are 2 other players that are not listed as FS's, but can play the position equally as well as CB.
Both these players are multitalented and have exactly what DEN needs.
DEN needs "Playmakers"
DEN needs "Leaders"
DEN needs "Special-Teams"
Unfortuantely, they have pretty high grades.

Reggie Smith*, Oklahoma (12/1)
Height: 6-1. Weight: 198.
40 Time: 4.47.
Projected Round: Top 20 Pick.
OK... forget about waiting until next year. Reggie Smith is having a great 2007 campaign. His versatility can only increase his draft stock; he can play corner and safety.

Smith doubles as a return specialist. Had a fumble returned for a touchdown against Miami this year.

Terrell Thomas, USC
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
40 Time: 4.40.
Projected Round: 1-2.
A jack of all trades, Terrell Thomas can play corner, safety and return specialist. He also returned a blocked field goal for a touchdown in 2006. The leader of USC's locker room.

[pinkie]

According to this site (http://www.solecismic.com/frontierblog/?p=192), we have a tiebreaking coin toss with Buffalo for the 11th and 12th picks.

We beat Buffalo head to head, so we draft 12th.

[TheDave]

We beat Buffalo head to head, so we draft 12th.


Head to Head is NOT one of the tie breakers...

[Requiem]

Even though we won and went (up) a few positions, this was probably better.

Most teams NEVER trade out of the top ten. How many have in the past five years?

We could still trade down, get a third rounder or so and get a nice guy say at #16 or so. . .

Anyways. .

YES!!!

Whatever we don't get in FA.

[ayjackson]

Phillips would be my first choice, then any of the LBs that are up there will do fine with me. LB seems to be the safe choice. Carl Nicks is my second round hope. He has played left and right tackle. 6'5" 330 thats adding beef to the line.

seems like a bit of a reach to me in the second...and i doubt he's better than Pears and Harris for at least a few seasons...

[ayjackson]

If no trades occur 12 Ryan Clady 43 Erin Henderson

that looks perfect....a trade down and adding a pick would be even perfecter (???)!!

[DBroncos4life]

seems like a bit of a reach to me in the second...and i doubt he's better than Pears and Harris for at least a few seasons...

Mel has him as the 5th best tackle or he did. Scott Wright has him as the number 8 tackle and the 40th best player overall. Seems about right to me. The next OT on Scott Wrights list is at 65 Barry Richardson. Granted not all of the underclassmen have been accounted for but I don't see how it would be suck a reach.

[iforgotmypassword]

Kenny Phillips and Beau Bell, after that LOAD UP on both lines. Maybe throw in a stud FB.

[27atwater]

I concur!!!! But I could sawp Jon Goff for Bell. Less attitude problem and better teammate.

[mhgaffney]

I think you have to pick an elite LT in the first round -- to protect Cutler for years to come.

Then in the second you take the best athlete at LB or DT.

Assuming we have no third round pick, in the fourth you take the best talent that falls at the need positions: DT, S, LB, OT

and let's not forget FB -- Cecil Sapp is outa here.

[DBroncos4life]

A year ago, the veteran sports agent didn't know about Carl Nicks. Six months ago, there wasn't much buzz surrounding the Nebraska offensive lineman by those who project the NFL draft and its participants.

But Mackler was open to some inside information from one of his clients, former Husker defensive end Jay Moore.

"We were talking about some players and Jay said to me, 'There's this tackle there that I went against all the time, and for a guy his size he moves like a tight end,'" Mackler said. "This is my 19th year of doing this, and I learned something a long time ago: Players know players better than anybody. And Jay was raving about this guy.

"Back in June, you couldn't find anybody who knew anything about him."

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. last week vaulted Nicks to No. 25 on his "Big Board." Invitations have come for both the Senior Bowl on Jan. 26 and the NFL Combine in February.

"This has all kind of happened quick," Nicks said Thursday from Salinas, Calif. "My whole motivation after last summer was to come out of nowhere because nobody knows me. That's exactly how I wanted to do it."

Kiper said "significant strides" in Nicks' senior season make him an intriguing prospect. Before 2007, the 6-foot-5, 345-pounder had made just two starts in NCAA Division I-A football.

Nicks said he appreciated former NU coach Bill Callahan having the faith to move him to left tackle, where he was big enough to block for running plays and athletic enough to pass protect from the quarterback's blind side.

Mackler said that combination was hard to hide when Nicks reported to the Parisi Speed School in Fairlawn, N.J. Nicks spent nearly three weeks there immediately after the regular season and reports back Jan. 2.

"They've worked with 120 of my guys who have been drafted, and they've never seen a guy like that," said Mackler, who already represents former Huskers Fabian Washington and Demorrio Williams along with Moore. "What they like about him is to find a guy who's 6-6, 350 pounds with no body fat, who runs around and is athletic like a linebacker.

"He's a freak, to be candid with you. Guys that big don't move like that."

Mackler said the only thing Nicks lacks is experience at his position. He compares him to Tony Ugoh, the former Arkansas offensive tackle who quietly climbed draft boards last winter to be a second-round pick by Indianapolis.

Nicks, 24, isn't there yet, and he knows it. The second-team All-Big 12 pick will go under the microscope in coming weeks.

"I've got to think in those terms," he said. "Everything in the next two or three months will affect my whole life."

Nicks wants to be closer to 335 pounds by the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. He wants to run his fastest at the combine. He wants to rattle other draft boards that haven't yet taken notice.

Kiper's board doesn't include juniors, so defections by underclassmen could push him down the list. But that would still be better than when he was just thinking about getting drafted.

"I had to shock some people and push my name out there," Nicks said. "I imagined this happening, and wanted it to happen, but it's good to see it all come together.

"It just looks better than it did before."

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10218689

[BowlenBall]

A year ago, the veteran sports agent didn't know about Carl Nicks. Six months ago, there wasn't much buzz surrounding the Nebraska offensive lineman by those who project the NFL draft and its participants.

But Mackler was open to some inside information from one of his clients, former Husker defensive end Jay Moore.

"We were talking about some players and Jay said to me, 'There's this tackle there that I went against all the time, and for a guy his size he moves like a tight end,'" Mackler said. "This is my 19th year of doing this, and I learned something a long time ago: Players know players better than anybody. And Jay was raving about this guy.

"Back in June, you couldn't find anybody who knew anything about him."

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. last week vaulted Nicks to No. 25 on his "Big Board." Invitations have come for both the Senior Bowl on Jan. 26 and the NFL Combine in February.

"This has all kind of happened quick," Nicks said Thursday from Salinas, Calif. "My whole motivation after last summer was to come out of nowhere because nobody knows me. That's exactly how I wanted to do it."

Kiper said "significant strides" in Nicks' senior season make him an intriguing prospect. Before 2007, the 6-foot-5, 345-pounder had made just two starts in NCAA Division I-A football.

Nicks said he appreciated former NU coach Bill Callahan having the faith to move him to left tackle, where he was big enough to block for running plays and athletic enough to pass protect from the quarterback's blind side.

Mackler said that combination was hard to hide when Nicks reported to the Parisi Speed School in Fairlawn, N.J. Nicks spent nearly three weeks there immediately after the regular season and reports back Jan. 2.

"They've worked with 120 of my guys who have been drafted, and they've never seen a guy like that," said Mackler, who already represents former Huskers Fabian Washington and Demorrio Williams along with Moore. "What they like about him is to find a guy who's 6-6, 350 pounds with no body fat, who runs around and is athletic like a linebacker.

"He's a freak, to be candid with you. Guys that big don't move like that."

Mackler said the only thing Nicks lacks is experience at his position. He compares him to Tony Ugoh, the former Arkansas offensive tackle who quietly climbed draft boards last winter to be a second-round pick by Indianapolis.

Nicks, 24, isn't there yet, and he knows it. The second-team All-Big 12 pick will go under the microscope in coming weeks.

"I've got to think in those terms," he said. "Everything in the next two or three months will affect my whole life."

Nicks wants to be closer to 335 pounds by the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. He wants to run his fastest at the combine. He wants to rattle other draft boards that haven't yet taken notice.

Kiper's board doesn't include juniors, so defections by underclassmen could push him down the list. But that would still be better than when he was just thinking about getting drafted.

"I had to shock some people and push my name out there," Nicks said. "I imagined this happening, and wanted it to happen, but it's good to see it all come together.

"It just looks better than it did before."

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10218689

Carl Nicks = George Foster. No thanks.

[Elway777]

Carl Nicks could be a good sleeper pick for Broncos. He played in a passing offensive plus Nebraska lineman are good run blockers.

[Elway777]

I would draft 12 Sedrick Ellis 42 Mendenhall and the Broncos get a 3 rounder for Foxworth then Tony Hills. The Broncos sign Dansby and Gross as free agents.

[eddie mac]

We trade 12 and a 2009 3rd rd pick to Dallas for 22 and 30.

22. Sam Baker OT USC
30. Erin Henderson LB Maryland
43. Best DT available that fits Bates' system Okam/Bryant/Balmer

[lex]

We trade 12 and a 2009 3rd rd pick to Dallas for 22 and 30.

22. Sam Baker OT USC
30. Erin Henderson LB Maryland
43. Best DT available that fits Bates' system Okam/Bryant/Balmer

Please no!

[Rohirrim]

As it stands right now, I'd be happy with:
12. Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
43. Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

[Elway777]

12 Sedrick Ellis, This guy would opens things up for our linebackers 42 Anthony Collins,He is first team all american that that plays Left Tackles on the 2 highest scoring offensive plus good run blocker with 9 knockdown blocks per game. The Broncos also target Darsby or Briggs as Free agent .

[socalorado]

12 Sedrick Ellis, This guy would opens things up for our linebackers 42 Anthony Collins,He is first team all american that that plays Left Tackles on the 2 highest scoring offensive plus good run blocker with 9 knockdown blocks per game. The Broncos also target Darsby or Briggs as Free agent .

Sedrick does not fit Bates scheme. Hes a pass rushing, attack-the-qb, DT. Hes really good, but not a fit in DEN.

[Elway777]

Sedrick does not fit Bates scheme. Hes a pass rushing, attack-the-qb, DT. Hes really good, but not a fit in DEN. If I had to choose between Ellis and Bates I would choose Ellis and hire a one of the Ryans. Sedrick Ellis will most likely be gone by the 12 pick anyway.

[Bob]

But we didn't and thus we do. Let's be honest though, EVERYONE last year wanted a DE who could get to the passer. We draft Michael Griffin or Reggie Nelson and Shanny woulda been butchered in the court of public opinion.

There are plenty of LBs in this year's draft and we have the luxury of having our biggest needs in areas where there should be some very solid FAs...including Safety.

I wanted a DT that could get to the passer :wiggle:

[socalorado]

If I had to choose between Ellis and Bates I would choose Ellis and hire a one of the Ryans. Sedrick Ellis will most likely be gone by the 12 pick anyway.

That would really suck considering DEN traded Warren, (another attack-the-qb DT) to CHokeland. I just dont see DEN going with yet another D Coord. again. that would be 3 in 3 years too much to learn man.
I like Ellis though and he would be a no brainer in any other draft.
Does anyone know if DEN really gets a 4th from OAK for the Warren trade? Did that go through?

[Bob]

I think you have to pick an elite LT in the first round -- to protect Cutler for years to come.

Then in the second you take the best athlete at LB or DT.

Assuming we have no third round pick, in the fourth you take the best talent that falls at the need positions: DT, S, LB, OT

and let's not forget FB -- Cecil Sapp is outa here.

its nice to agree with you on something...

How could anyone not see that we need to do a better job of blocking and to protect our future at QB is beyond me. I woundnt throw my laptop out the window if we drafted a DT (a mobile giant) in the first as well...

We will all be changing positions in free agency, because we do have some money to spend and i would be surprised if we dont get a at least two starters. This year I dont think that more bodies is the answer -- hope they dont blow-up the whole team again and hope they gel.

[Rohirrim]

Sedrick does not fit Bates scheme. Hes a pass rushing, attack-the-qb, DT. Hes really good, but not a fit in DEN.

I'm counting on Bates being gone.

[ColoradoBuff]

If no trades occur 12 Ryan Clady 43 Erin Henderson

I'd love for that to happen.

[Requiem]

Erin Henderson will go in the first round, I'd love that scenario, but it's unlikely.