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HEAV
12-29-2007, 01:54 PM
Authorities say they have a pretty good idea who killed Darrent Williams.

They also claim all of the men responsible are in jail on federal drug charges that could result in sentences of life in prison if they are convicted.

While some of those men are beginning to turn against each other, cutting plea deals with prosecutors in exchange for testimony, it remains to be seen when, or if, someone will be charged with the fatal New Year's Day shooting.

Police won't comment on whether they have recovered evidence such as the weapon involved. It's difficult to get a conviction if prosecutors are relying only on the word of a suspected drug dealer who got a deal to testify.

"No prosecutor is going to be content going to trial with only the uncorroborated word of a gang member who has made a deal for leniency," local attorney Scott Robinson said. "Not that you can't get a conviction, but that's a much more difficult task."

Williams was with friends at The Shelter nightclub at 1037 Broadway in Denver before he was killed. Witnesses and police have said that some of the people Williams was with got into a disagreement with a group of gang members who also were at the club.

Some, if not all, of those gang members were associated with a violent group known as the Elite Eight, police said. Authorities have said the group might be linked to as many as 10 other unsolved killings in the Denver area.

As everyone left the club, the argument spilled outside. Police said as many as three gang members got into a sport utility vehicle owned by Brian Hicks, who police describe as the leader of the Elite Eight.

Hicks was in the Denver jail at the time, on drug charges. But at least two other men, Daniel Harris and Willie Clark, were in the SUV when more than a dozen shots were fired from it, hitting the limousine in which Williams was riding, police have said.

Williams, who authorities believe was not an intended target, was shot in the neck. He was 24.

An attorney for Clark wrote in a court document that the 25-year-old was one of three suspects in the killing. But in letters to the Rocky Mountain News, Clark denied he was involved.

Clark, Harris, and Hicks are among about 80 people indicted in April after an 18-month drug and gang investigation. All three men, and many of the others, are charged with conspiracy to distribute drugs.

So far, two members of the Elite Eight who also were indicted have entered into agreements with prosecutors.

As part of their deals, the men must cooperate with ongoing investigations in exchange for the government's recommendation of a lighter sentence.

But the extent of their cooperation isn't known, and the government has said it could be months before motions that would affect the case are decided, meaning it could be a year or more before charges are filed in the Williams case, if that happens at all.


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/29/murder-charges-still-not-a-certainty/

Los Broncos
12-29-2007, 01:57 PM
Just so pointless to die like that.

broncofan2438
12-29-2007, 04:00 PM
This is so stupid, how can you not find the moron who killed him, but we have all these tv shows and movies that people come up with on how to find person based on a hair or saliva sample

Blueflame
12-29-2007, 04:32 PM
Life isn't like CSI, unfortunately. And there's a big difference between knowing who committed the murder and having enough concrete evidence to prove it in a court of law. If it went to trial early... without enough evidence to obtain a conviction and the guy was acquitted, double jeopardy laws would make it impossible to retry him even if new... irrefutable... evidence came up later on.

Orange_Beard
12-29-2007, 06:32 PM
It's been a long year.

Florida_Bronco
12-29-2007, 11:41 PM
Life isn't like CSI, unfortunately. And there's a big difference between knowing who committed the murder and having enough concrete evidence to prove it in a court of law. If it went to trial early... without enough evidence to obtain a conviction and the guy was acquitted, double jeopardy laws would make it impossible to retry him even if new... irrefutable... evidence came up later on.

Well that's not true, they could retry him if new evidence becomes available. Double Jeopardy basically prevents you from being tried twice just because the prosecution didn't like the verdict the first time.

Blueflame
12-29-2007, 11:44 PM
Well that's not true, they could retry him if new evidence becomes available. Double Jeopardy basically prevents you from being tried twice just because the prosecution didn't like the verdict the first time.

I believe you're mistaken... if a man is tried and acquitted for a murder, he cannot be re-tried for the same crime, no matter what. End of story.

Florida_Bronco
12-30-2007, 12:09 AM
I believe you're mistaken... if a man is tried and acquitted for a murder, he cannot be re-tried for the same crime, no matter what. End of story.

Nope, that is not true. If new evidence comes up that was not present in the first trial it can be brought to trial again.

Blueflame
12-30-2007, 12:14 AM
Nope, that is not true. If new evidence comes up that was not present in the first trial it can be brought to trial again.

I think perhaps you should look that up.

Florida_Bronco
12-30-2007, 12:19 AM
I think perhaps you should look that up.

Hmmmm, alright one minute.

broncos loveI
12-30-2007, 12:22 AM
Nope, that is not true. If new evidence comes up that was not present in the first trial it can be brought to trial again.

This isn't Aruba man. No double trial in the Us

Blueflame
12-30-2007, 12:25 AM
I'm quite certain that suspects can only be tried once for any given crime.

Florida_Bronco
12-30-2007, 12:27 AM
She was right, my mistake. Looks like they would have to modify and/or add charges to do that.

Blueflame
12-30-2007, 12:33 AM
She was right, my mistake. Looks like they would have to modify and/or add charges to do that.

I was pretty sure they have to get it right the first time...and it puts the onus on law enforcement to make sure all the "i's" are dotted and all the "t's" are crossed so that a technicality doesn't allow the suspect to go free. If it were a mistrial, I think the suspect could be re-tried, but not if he's acquitted.

loborugger
12-30-2007, 01:32 AM
This is so stupid, how can you not find the moron who killed him, but we have all these tv shows and movies that people come up with on how to find person based on a hair or saliva sample

Please tell me that you were just being sarcastic in this comment and that you werent actually equating a 40 minute canned TV drama to real life justice.

Even if you were kidding, there is enough of your cohorts out there who live and die by whatever the TV is feeding them. I read an interesting article last year about the CSI-ization of judicial system - specifically juries. These juries want the prosecution to show them all this fancy crap like what they see on TV - otherwise the suspect just isnt guilty.

Assuming that the weapon is looong gone, that leaves pretty much witness testimony in this case. And as noted in the news article, all the witnesses are criminals. It will be almost impossible to get a conviction, barring a lucky break - a video camera somewhere, an actual law abiding citizen that saw the crime, the weapon magically appears with a nice print on it.

Oh, and BTW, Double Jeopardy has been a lynch pin of the American justice system since day 1. They kinda got tired of Kings trying and retrying people until the judicial system got it "right."