FOX is excluding Ron Paul from pre-New Hampshire primary debate

[Taco John]

FOX is excluding Ron Paul

December 28, 2007 10:39 pm EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – According to the New Hampshire State Republican Party and an Associated Press report, Republican presidential candidate and Texas Congressman Ron Paul will be excluded from an upcoming forum of Republican candidates to be broadcast by Fox News on January 6, 2008.

“Given Ron Paul’s support in New Hampshire and his recent historic fundraising success, it is outrageous that Dr. Paul would be excluded,” said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. “Dr. Paul has consistently polled higher in New Hampshire than some of the other candidates who have been invited.”

Snyder continued, “Paul supporters should know that we are continuing to make inquiries with Fox News as to why they have apparently excluded Dr. Paul from this event.”

[Bronco Bob]

Are they also excluding Fred Thompson?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_primary-193.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

FOX is excluding Ron Paul from pre-New Hampshire primary debate

Wow. Now that's a shocker.

[cutthemdown]

Bummer I like the debates better with all of them. But if there is a rule about having to have a certain % you have to adhere to it.

I can't find anyone I know who says they are voting for Paul.

[BroncoBuff]

Are they also excluding Fred Thompson?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_primary-193.html
Damn good point. If the exclusion of Paul is based upon perceived polling weakness in the state, then Thompson - who's below Paul and shrinking - should rightly also be excluded:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2637/27158071go6.jpg

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[cutthemdown]

come on Paul supporters take to the streets and surround the building the debates will be held in. Shut it down!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make them drag you off to jail.

[Spider]

No one should be excluded ........... everyone running for President should have the same amount of air time , even if you have to schedule 2 days ..... of course every canidate should have to split the cost also , or develope a pay as you go system ....

[BroncoBuff]

No one should be excluded ........... everyone running for President should have the same amount of air time , even if you have to schedule 2 days ..... of course every canidate should have to split the cost also , or develope a pay as you go system ....
Can't argue with that. Just because you've managed to forge an early lead doesn't mean the 'League of Women Voters' or somebody should assist you in choking off the heel-nippers. It's down right un-American, and I'm serious. There are enough roadblocks placed in front of a candidate to get on the ballot, why exclude those who qualify?

Actually, they've been pretty good at including everybody and their brother this year (Alan Keyes was a shocker to me anyway), and they've managed to be inclusive despite Hillary and Edwards' complaints about Gravel and Kucinich. So why stop with that inclusive attitude now?

[Spider]

Can't argue with that. Just because you've managed to forge an early lead doesn't mean the 'League of Women Voters' or somebody should assist you in choking off the heel-nippers. It's down right un-American, and I'm serious. There are enough roadblocks placed in front of a candidate to get on the ballot, why exclude those who qualify?

Actually, they've been pretty good at including everybody and their brother this year (Alan Keyes was a shocker to me anyway), and they've managed to be inclusive despite Hillary and Edwards' complaints about Gravel and Kucinich. So why stop with that inclusive attitude now?
I feel a group hug comming on ;D

[Meck77]

What a crock. Just goes to show you they fear the movement.

[Rohirrim]

This will work to Paul's advantage in New Hampshire. If there's one thing those people don't like, it's to be told what to do. I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of action by Fox knocks people off the fence and in the direction of Paul. Also, it drives Paul supporters to the polls with a fury. Who would stay home now? You can almost always count on Fox to do what is stupid.

[TheDave]

What a crock. Just goes to show you they fear the movement.

Hilarious!

I have to admit the Paul supporters have cornered the melodramatic market.

[Florida_Bronco]

This will work to Paul's advantage in New Hampshire. If there's one thing those people don't like, it's to be told what to do. I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of action by Fox knocks people off the fence and in the direction of Paul. Also, it drives Paul supporters to the polls with a fury. Who would stay home now? You can almost always count on Fox to do what is stupid.

Amen.

[Bronco Bob]

This will work to Paul's advantage in New Hampshire. If there's one thing those people don't like, it's to be told what to do. I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of action by Fox knocks people off the fence and in the direction of Paul. Also, it drives Paul supporters to the polls with a fury. Who would stay home now? You can almost always count on Fox to do what is stupid.

Hopefully a lot of the independents will vote for Ron Paul.

[baja]

What a crock. Just goes to show you they fear the movement.

<b>That's just what Washington needs a movement, a great big bowel movement.</b>

[Bronco LB 59]

This will work to Paul's advantage in New Hampshire. If there's one thing those people don't like, it's to be told what to do. I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of action by Fox knocks people off the fence and in the direction of Paul. Also, it drives Paul supporters to the polls with a fury. Who would stay home now? You can almost always count on Fox to do what is stupid.

Their state motto is "Live Free or Die"! I sure hope the citizens of New Hampshire step to the plate and not tolerate this injustice.

[cutthemdown]

If the Republican party won't give Paul a fair shake he should make a deal with them. Either let me in on all ballots and debates or I will run as a 3rd party candidate Give me a fair chance and I will promise not to.

[baja]

Ron Paul will not close the door completely on running on a third party ticket but he says he is 99% + sure he will not.

[Taco John]

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[peacepipe]

If the Republican party won't give Paul a fair shake he should make a deal with them. Either let me in on all ballots and debates or I will run as a 3rd party candidate Give me a fair chance and I will promise not to.
I wish he would run as a 3rd party canidate. It would garauntee(sp) a Dem presidency.

[TDmvp]

... as i posted on digg on this same thread i think ...
ron paul is a joke ... and the Dems would drool to run vs him ... he is the Dems wet dream ....

[Meck77]

.
ron paul is a joke .

Care to elaborate on that?

[ak1971]

Hilarious!

I have to admit the Paul supporters have cornered the melodramatic market.

Have you got "The Impaler' included in anything yet? I am counting on you ,'TheDave' ,to bring us back to glory!

[baja]

This is what scares me, clearly intelligent guys like Thedave that are in denial about the the clear and present danger of our beloved country that is on the fast track to fascism

You history buffs will note the sobering similarities with pre Nazi Germany.

[Arkie]

Ron Paul has the most passionate supporters. He's won the most straw polls. He's brought in the most money. This is just a case of media fascism. Fox sees it's in their best interest to keep Paul out because he's bad for the Republicans if he doesn't win their candidacy. He will run independent with his huge following that will eat away at both sides, but it will hurt the Republicans worse. His movement will fall short, and ultimately the Democrats will win. Fox isn't dumb. They have too much invested the Neoconservatism Republican philosophy.

[baja]

Ron Paul has the most passionate supporters. He's won the most straw polls. He's brought in the most money. This is just a case of media fascism. Fox sees it's in their best interest to keep Paul out because he's bad for the Republicans if he doesn't win their candidacy. He will run independent with his huge following that will eat away at both sides, but it will hurt the Republicans worse. His movement will fall short, and ultimately the Democrats will win. Fox isn't dumb. They have too much invested the Neoconservatism Republican philosophy.

This move by the fox network will back fire, count on it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

This move by the fox network will back fire, count on it.Backfire in what way? I'd say Paul has about zero chance of winning the Republican nomination, that hasn't changed in the last 20 years or so.

[baja]

Backfire in what way? I'd say Paul has about zero chance of winning the Republican nomination, that hasn't changed in the last 20 years or so.

The majority of the people are not stupid and they do not like dirty play by big corporations so I think this move might cause some of the people to take a look at Paul to see what Fox is afraid of. Also the Paul people will be even more determined to see Paul's positions get out there. Folks are very tired of having the big corporations trying to manipulate them.

[cutthemdown]

This is what scares me, clearly intelligent guys like Thedave that are in denial about the the clear and present danger of our beloved country that is on the fast track to fascism

You history buffs will note the sobering similarities with pre Nazi Germany.

I'm a history buff and I don't see it. I think that is a huge huge stretch of the facts.

[broncocalijohn]

This will work to Paul's advantage in New Hampshire. If there's one thing those people don't like, it's to be told what to do. I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of action by Fox knocks people off the fence and in the direction of Paul. Also, it drives Paul supporters to the polls with a fury. Who would stay home now? You can almost always count on Fox to do what is stupid.

If you are a Paul supporter, you are probably already in line to vote. They dont need motivation. I see him as a bottom candidate but issues that rival those that are leading the race and to me, as a conservative republican, can only help that there are more than one way to think in a political movement. Plus, excluding him will somehow get Fox to be "temporarily" off the air from some terrorist attack by Paulists.

[Bronco Bob]

I have a question for the Paulists. How can a candidate be excluded from
a debate that doesn't even exist? There is no mention of any GOP debate
on Fox in any of the TV listings. And these websites claims the debate was
canceled weeks ago:

There is no New Hampshire GOP presidential debate scheduled for
Jan. 6. The event was officially canceled three weeks ago. Ron Paul was,
indeed, invited, but never committed to attending before the event was
canceled because of the close proximity with the ABC event.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59442

So, what happened?

Months ago, NH GOP chairman Fergus Cullen had been in touch with
FoxNews about a possible forum on January 6th. He had even contacted all
the GOP candidates to see whether they were available. However, plans for
the ABC debate were finalized with all candidates early in December and
Cullen "threw in the towel." See "OUTFOXED" in the NH Union Leader of
December 16th.

At that time, Cullen had not received a response from Ron Paul, who had
committed to a conflicting luncheon at the NH Liberty Forum at the same
time.

Skip ahead to December 27th, when the Union Leader reported that all
candidates had agreed to the ABC/WMUR debate and reporter Garry Rayno
added a confusing paragraph about Giuliani finally agreeing to the (canceled)
January 6th forum, which had already been converted into a simple state GOP brunch.

Due to the timing of this article, there was no way to confirm who will or
won't attend the brunch, but it is not a broadcast debate and has nothing
to do with FoxNews. Nevertheless, a blog in Washington picked up the story,
scrambled it and their "BHDC Staff" reported a list of the candidates who
would be attending, which did not include Ron Paul (he hadn't officially
confirmed, due to the conflict).

That story was picked up by the AP Newswire, which added some information
that it had from a month earlier about the format being discussed.

Finally, the AP article was picked up by Lew Rockwell and passed along to
DailyPaul.com, with all the errors intact. Of course, a firestorm ensued on all
the Ron Paul nets before the information could be verified. Immediately,
thousands of messages went to FoxNews and the NH GOP protesting the
exclusion.

Unfortunately, the Ron Paul campaign didn't sort out the facts before sending
out a news release blasting Fox for their "outrageous" conduct, even if they
did note that the information had not been confirmed. From there, the report
spread into dozens of blogs and news commentaries.

An unfortunate false alarm. Lesson: Fast news is sometimes "bad" news.
Fox News is worthy of criticism for what they have done, not for what they
haven't done. Look before you leap.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html

There is a debate on ABC on January 5th, and Ron Paul is in that one
as far as I know.

Look, I'm all for beating up on Fox News for all their distortions and
GOP cheer leading, but this just sounds like just another case of
Paulist paranoia. Apparently some Paulist blogger got ahold of the
the story, didn't bother to check all the facts, and spread it
to all the other Paulist who then flooded the net with the story
and even sucked in some mainstream publications such as the
Baltimore Sun and Boston Globe.

[Rohirrim]

Sometimes, you're just being paranoid, but sometimes, everyone IS out to get you. ;D

[Bronco Bob]

Sometimes, you're just being paranoid, but sometimes, everyone IS out to get you. ;D

And then there is the story of the boy who cried wolf.

[REB]

The local newspaper here in DE had a virtual caucus today that ended at 5pm est and these were the results...

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c247/REB65/DEVirtualCaucus.jpg

[TheDave]

The local newspaper here in DE had a virtual caucus today that ended at 5pm est and these were the results...



If by virtual you mean online... then I'm not suprised.

[Meck77]

I'd actually trust an online poll more than I would the ones the traditional media is pumping out. I'm still trying to find the tens of millions of Hillary supporters. I've been conducting my own informal poll lately and I can't find anyone that is willing to admit they plan on voting for her.

I think there is one person from the mane that said they were going to vote for her. There are 8,000 registered members here and several thousand active members. A poll on the general board would be interesting.

[Bob]

What a crock. Just goes to show you they fear the movement.

If the "movement" actually includes some votes, than I would agree with you. However, there is no evidence that I have seen that Paul has any traction on planet earth (aside from the Matrix-politico that has taken over the Mane.)

If he comes in third in Iowa I will be pleasantly surprised, but he won’t. He won’t come in fourth either -- and if he gets the numbers I suspect, we will have to hear about some big non-existent conspiracy -- the political equivalent of the towers being brought down by the government. Everyone likes to think that their minority views are mainstream – but forget about the masses who vote in MANY cases cant even identify half of the folks who are running if they are shown a picture – let alone what the candidates believe, or what they would do if put into office.

If proven wrong I will be happy to admit it, but Paul is Perot incarnate until real numbers match wishful thinking and enthusiasm.

[Bob]

I'd actually trust an online poll more than I would the ones the traditional media is pumping out. I'm still trying to find the tens of millions of Hillary supporters. I've been conducting my own informal poll lately and I can't find anyone that is willing to admit they plan on voting for her.

I think there is one person from the mane that said they were going to vote for her. There are 8,000 registered members here and several thousand active members. A poll on the general board would be interesting.

I dont think she does have real support, as much as she has bandwagon support in order to vote against someone/thing else...

If people decide that Edwards has a better chance they will leave her in droves, and there will not be a tear shed -- except perhaps Chelsea, who would lose out on being able to augue that she was actually a "co-president" from 2008 - 2012, when she runs as a Socialist in 2016.

[Taco John]

However, there is no evidence that I have seen...


How about this:


Paul Rivals Clinton, Raising Almost $20 Million for Campaign

By Kristin Jensen

Jan. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Presidential candidate Ron Paul raised almost $20 million for his campaign in the last three months, potentially outpacing every one of his Republican rivals and putting his fundraising in league with Hillary Clinton's.

Paul, a U.S. representative from Texas, raised at least $19.5 million, according to a statement posted on his Web site. His campaign said today that he originally aimed to raise $12 million in the fourth quarter of 2007.

The take puts Paul on par with the top fundraisers in the Democratic Party, who outpaced Republicans last year. The campaign of New York Senator Clinton yesterday said she raised more than $100 million for the year, meaning she brought in at least $20 million in the fourth quarter.

Paul has drawn supporters with his libertarian message and his opposition to the war in Iraq, spurring a burst of donations on the Internet, the source of about 80 percent of the contributions last quarter, according to Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. In the three months through September, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani brought in the most contributions among Republicans, for a total of $11.5 million.

Presidential campaigns don't have to report fundraising figures until the end of January, though many give hints about their totals earlier than that. Arizona Senator John McCain, who's seeking the Republican presidential nomination, yesterday told reporters in New Hampshire that December was his best fundraising month since July. He gave no further details.

To contact the reporter on this story: Kristin Jensen in Iowa at kjensen@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: January 1, 2008 12:55 EST

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aCilYJ9OUudI&refer=home

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Too bad Paul won't consider running as an independent if he doesn't get the rethug nomination.

[Taco John]

Too bad Paul won't consider running as an independent if he doesn't get the rethug nomination.



He will. Ron Paul will keep going so long as his support is there - and the money to show for it. There is a whisper campaign going on about this very thing right now (in the event that things go south in Iowa and New Hampshire). But internal numbers are showing that the support in both of these places is much more than what the mainstream polling firms are saying.

However it happens, Ron Paul is going to be around for the long haul

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He will. Ron Paul will keep going so long as his support is there - and the money to show for it. There is a whisper campaign going on about this very thing right now (in the event that things go south in Iowa and New Hampshire). But internal numbers are showing that the support in both of these places is much more than what the mainstream polling firms are saying.

However it happens, Ron Paul is going to be around for the long haulReally, so he was lying when he said he wouldn't run as a third party candidate?

[alkemical]

The problem i have with the ron paul movement, is that they limited themselves by calling themselves a movement. Movement stops.

[Bob]

He will. Ron Paul will keep going so long as his support is there - and the money to show for it. There is a whisper campaign going on about this very thing right now (in the event that things go south in Iowa and New Hampshire). But internal numbers are showing that the support in both of these places is much more than what the mainstream polling firms are saying.

However it happens, Ron Paul is going to be around for the long haul

This is where I agree with you -- he did run as an independent before...

[Crushaholic]

I believe that poll to be fairly accurate. Huckabee and Romney will do well with the conservative voters in Iowa, while guys like Paul and Guliani should do better with the less conservative voters in New Hampshire.

[Rohirrim]

Too bad Paul won't consider running as an independent if he doesn't get the rethug nomination.

All I've heard him say is he has no "plan" to run as a third party candidate. I don't know why not. Why remain loyal to a party who's officers openly laugh at you, attack you, and attempt to marginalize you?

[Crushaholic]

All I've heard him say is he has no "plan" to run as a third party candidate. I don't know why not. Why remain loyal to a party who's officers openly laugh at you, attack you, and attempt to marginalize you?

He has to say that. He doesn't want potential voters thinking he's given up on being the GOP representative in the 2008 presidential contest...

[baja]

Hope you are right TJ, he said on one of the shows he was on that he was 99.5 % sure he would not run as an independent but he did leave a slim chance that he would. I doubt he will get the repug nod though.

[baja]

Really, so he was lying when he said he wouldn't run as a third party candidate?

Wrong again Slug, he said he was 99% sure he would not but would not rule it out completely.

You know you diminish your creditability when you deal in absolutes that turn out to be false.

[baja]

He has to say that. He doesn't want potential voters thinking he's given up on being the GOP representative in the 2008 presidential contest...

BINGO

[Taco John]

Really, so he was lying when he said he wouldn't run as a third party candidate?

I've listened to every interview Paul has given (http://www.ronpaulaudio.com).

Ron Paul has never said that he wouldn't run as a third party candidate. He does say that he has no intention of running as a third party candidate - which is true. His intention is to win the Republican nomination. But in the event that this doesn't happen, Ron Paul has never stated that he absolutely will not run on a third party ticket. In fact, he's gone as far as asking for wiggle room on that point.

[TailgateNut]

I've listened to every interview Paul has given (http://www.ronpaulaudio.com).

Ron Paul has never said that he wouldn't run as a third party candidate. He does say that he has no intention of running as a third party candidate - which is true. His intention is to win the Republican nomination. But in the event that this doesn't happen, Ron Paul has never stated that he absolutely will not run on a third party ticket. In fact, he's gone as far as asking for wiggle room on that point.


Is that move called "doing a Lieberman"?

[baja]

Is that move called "doing a Lieberman"?

I think it's called trying to save America for Fascism.

[alkemical]

Looks like ABC is joining fox:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_anthony__080102_abc_now_considering_.htm

[Bronco Bob]

Now if we could just enforce that ban on this forum.

JUST KIDDING JUST KIDDING :yayaya:

[Rigs11]

Word is that thompson is dropping out. What will faux news excuse be now for not having paul?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7682.html

[Bronco Bob]

Word is that thompson is dropping out. What will faux news excuse be now for not having paul?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7682.html

Fred Thompson said it's a load of crap. His operatives are hinting that
it is just disinformation being spread by Romney's people.

[TheDave]

Word is that thompson is dropping out.

Technically, don't you have to first be in the race to drop out?

[24champ]

Fred Thompson said it's a load of crap. His operatives are hinting that
it is just disinformation being spread by Romney's people.

Got proof?

[Bronco Bob]

Got proof?

Sure, go watch MSNBC doing a live interview of Fred Thompson earlier today
and listen to what Fred Thompson said earlier today.

[Rohirrim]

Word is that thompson is dropping out.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7682.html

Will anybody notice?

[Bronco Bob]

COUNCIL BLUFFS, IOWA -- Saying the stories about him dropping out of the campaign are
“made up out of whole cloth,” Thompson again denied that a poor showing in tonight’s Iowa caucus
means the end of his campaign.

“Designed to try to suppress my vote as best they can,” is how he described the stories.

“They see the freight train coming and they’re just trying to dishonestly do something about it.”

Thompson accused his rivals of perpetuating the uncertainty of his campaign to reduce his voter turnout.

“It doesn’t come from us, it doesn’t come from the McCain campaign,” he said. “It comes from others.”
When pressed to identify who the “others” are, Thompson declined to comment.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/01/03/politics/fromtheroad/entry3671291.shtml

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I've listened to every interview Paul has given (http://www.ronpaulaudio.com).

Ron Paul has never said that he wouldn't run as a third party candidate. He does say that he has no intention of running as a third party candidate - which is true. His intention is to win the Republican nomination. But in the event that this doesn't happen, Ron Paul has never stated that he absolutely will not run on a third party ticket. In fact, he's gone as far as asking for wiggle room on that point.

God, i hope he runs as a 3rd party candidate and takes tons of votes away from the republican nominee, much like Nader did to Gore in 2000. Please, please run as a third party candidate.

[Bob]

Not sure, but wouldnt mind that much if he did run -- choice is always good -- I think he takes folks away from both parties, and brings out those who would not usually vote.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I've listened to every interview Paul has given (http://www.ronpaulaudio.com).

Ron Paul has never said that he wouldn't run as a third party candidate. He does say that he has no intention of running as a third party candidate - which is true. His intention is to win the Republican nomination. But in the event that this doesn't happen, Ron Paul has never stated that he absolutely will not run on a third party ticket. In fact, he's gone as far as asking for wiggle room on that point.
I get it, if you say you have NO intention of doing something it really isn't a lie if you do it later.

[defenseman]

On the debate issue, garnering 10% of the vote in Iowa, I believe anyway, supports FOX getting Paul into the upcoming debate...dman

[Taco John]

I get it, if you say you have NO intention of doing something it really isn't a lie if you do it later.


That's accurate.

[Taco John]

Fox has so far kept firm on their decision to exclude Dr. Paul from the democratic process....

So he fights back:

It looks like Dr. Paul is purchasing an hour of TV to air opposite of the FOX forum. (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Paul+counting+on+independent +voters&articleId=0a60f2c1-9058-4717-8fe7-088c94e59755)

From RonPaul2008.com
Jan 06
Televised Town Hall Meeting with Ron Paul
New Hampshire
4:30 PM ET

[cutthemdown]

Taco a quick question. How does Ron Paul describe the transition back to the gold standard?

[BABronco]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/nh_gop_drops_sp.html

The New Hampshire Republican Party dropped their affiliation with a Republican debate sponsored by Fox News tomorrow night because they have limited the number of candidates that can participate.

“The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field," said Republican chair Fergus Cullen. "Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures."

The Fox debate is excluding Texas Congressman Ron Paul even though he polls higher in New Hampshire and has raised significantly more money, and is campaigning more in New Hampshire than Fred Thompson who is invited

[Spider]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2008/01/nh_gop_drops_sp.html

The New Hampshire Republican Party dropped their affiliation with a Republican debate sponsored by Fox News tomorrow night because they have limited the number of candidates that can participate.

“The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field," said Republican chair Fergus Cullen. "Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures."

The Fox debate is excluding Texas Congressman Ron Paul even though he polls higher in New Hampshire and has raised significantly more money, and is campaigning more in New Hampshire than Fred Thompson who is invited
good job new hamphire . been through there alot ........

[OrangeDoofus]

Good job by the NH Republican Party.

I don't think I want Ron Paul to be president, but I think it's a very good thing he's in this campaign. The spectrum of political debate in this country has been far too narrow for far too long.

This also pretty clearly shows that Fox isn't a "conservative" news organization; they're actually just the propaganda arm of the national Republican Party organization. Candidates like Paul who don't toe the party line are their enemy. Same goes for Huckabee.

[Spider]

Good job by the NH Republican Party.

I don't think I want Ron Paul to be president, but I think it's a very good thing he's in this campaign. The spectrum of political debate in this country has been far too narrow for far too long.

This also pretty clearly shows that Fox isn't a "conservative" news organization; they're actually just the propaganda arm of the national Republican Party organization. Candidates like Paul who don't toe the party line are their enemy. Same goes for Huckabee.

pretty much agree ........

[Taco John]

Taco a quick question. How does Ron Paul describe the transition back to the gold standard?


Contrary to popular belief, Ron Paul doesn't want to force America back to the Gold standard. He wants America to have the right to choose if they want to go back by opening up the currency market for competing currency. As I understand it, he basically wants to make it legal for mints to offer gold backed currency that could be used for legal tender, rather than allowing only The Federal Reserve to offer the only legal tender. From there, The Fed would have to compete with the currency, and what would happen is they would actually start to become accountable to the market, rather than just making seat of the pants decisions that create massive bubbles and boom & bust cycles like we saw with tech and now housing.

What Ron Paul is really worried about is that as an Austrian School Economist, he sees a massive collapse in our future if we continue to allow the Fed to print money and devalue the currency at a time when we are borrowing millions per day from China. Dr. Paul's position is that if we allowed competing currencies into our domestic market, people would be able to diversify their wealth in an unprecedented way, giving Americans multiple fail-safes in the event that the Fed's dollar collapses. So rather than the Nation being bankrupt, just about every American would still have access to real gold and silver coinage, which would do nothing but increase in value should the dollar go bust.

He doesn't want to force America back to the gold standard. He wants Americans to have the option to trade in gold and other precious metals, which is a constitutional guarantee. I'm not sure why anybody would be against having the choice.

[baja]

Contrary to popular belief, Ron Paul doesn't want to force America back to the Gold standard. He wants America to have the right to choose if they want to go back by opening up the currency market for competing currency. As I understand it, he basically wants to make it legal for mints to offer gold backed currency that could be used for legal tender, rather than allowing only The Federal Reserve to offer the only legal tender. From there, The Fed would have to compete with the currency, and what would happen is they would actually start to become accountable to the market, rather than just making seat of the pants decisions that create massive bubbles and boom & bust cycles like we saw with tech and now housing.


<b>What Ron Paul is really worried about is that as an Austrian School Economist, he sees a massive collapse in our future if we continue to allow the Fed to print money and devalue the currency </b>at a time when we are borrowing millions per day from China. Dr. Paul's position is that if we allowed competing currencies into our domestic market, people would be able to diversify their wealth in an unprecedented way, giving Americans multiple fail-safes in the event that the Fed's dollar collapses. So rather than the Nation being bankrupt, just about every American would still have access to real gold and silver coinage, which would do nothing but increase in value should the dollar go bust.

He doesn't want to force America back to the gold standard. He wants Americans to have the option to trade in gold and other precious metals, which is a constitutional guarantee. I'm not sure why anybody would be against having the choice.

He is right, I have been warning about this since the eighties and saying so on this board for 2 years.

[OrangeDoofus]

Contrary to popular belief, Ron Paul doesn't want to force America back to the Gold standard. He wants America to have the right to choose if they want to go back by opening up the currency market for competing currency....
Interesting. The whole "gold standard" thing seemed like one of his kookier ideas, but it makes a lot more sense explained like you did. Thanks.

[defenseman]

NH GOP has removed it's endorsement of the debate. I'm thinking Fox will have a change of mind...dman

[Rigs11]

NH GOP Drops sponsorship of Fox Debate

The New Hampshire Republican Party dropped their affiliation with a Republican debate sponsored by Fox News tomorrow night because they have limited the number of candidates that can participate.

“The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field," said Republican chair Fergus Cullen. "Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures."

The Fox debate is excluding Texas Congressman Ron Paul even though he polls higher in New Hampshire and has raised significantly more money, and is campaigning more in New Hampshire than Fred Thompson who is invited.

"We look forward to presenting a substantive forum which will serve as the first program of its kind this election season," David Rhodes, vice president of Fox News, said in a statement.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wow - it's getting pretty bad when even the GOP no longer wants to play "Murdock Monopoly."

:D