Players the Broncos could trade for.

[Elway777]

The Broncos have made some major trades the last couple of years. Do the Broncos make a move for a linebacker like Vilma. Two defensive tackles also might be on the market in Jenkins and Rodgers. Jenkins might be my favorite player to trade for because he only makes 3 million pe year. Jenkins might be a bargan compared to Haynesworth or Corey Williams.

[Ray Finkle]

The Broncos have made some major trades the last couple of years. Do the Broncos make a move for a linebacker like Vilma. Two defensive tackles also might be on the market in Jenkins and Rodgers. Jenkins might be my favorite player to trade for because he only makes 3 million pe year. Jenkins might be a bargan compared to Haynesworth or Corey Williams.

Vilma has major knee problems.....there are doubts if/when he could play again.

[eddie mac]

The Broncos have made some major trades the last couple of years. Do the Broncos make a move for a linebacker like Vilma. Two defensive tackles also might be on the market in Jenkins and Rodgers. Jenkins might be my favorite player to trade for because he only makes 3 million pe year. Jenkins might be a bargan compared to Haynesworth or Corey Williams.

Which is why he had contractual issues with the Panthers this offseason. Kris wants a new deal and a truckfull of money.

[alkemical]

Don't trade for anyone, draft 'em

[Elway777]

I think if the Broncos can land 3 round round pick from some team signing foxworth or trading down in draft then that 3 rounder could be used to get a veteran defensive tackle. I like the idea of trading foxworth for a 3 rounder then using that 3 rounder for Jenkins. The Broncos then go after Gross and Isacc Sopoasa in free agency. The Broncos then have 2 330 pound run stopper for Bates defence plus Gross at right tackle . They don't spend alot in free agency plus have draft to get linebackers ,offensive tackle and safeties.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Jason Taylor's only 33. If we can wait til Parcells has to pull the trigger, maybe we get a steal.

[Garcia Bronco]

We should keep as much continutity as possible

[socalorado]

Don't trade for anyone, draft 'em

trade our player(s) for high draft picks (1st rounders)
this is how an organization rebuilds.

[alkemical]

trade our player(s) for high draft picks (1st rounders)
this is how an organization rebuilds.

yeah but when you have so many holes, you are just trading one problem for another.

[socalorado]

yeah but when you have so many holes, you are just trading one problem for another.

No. i didnt say trade players for other random players. I said trade our player(s) worth 1st round picks, and rebuild.
No more "plug and play" with FA'a and traded players. This isnt working. you want to rebuild? Do it the way DAL did it back in the early 90's.
Get a $h!tload of high picks over 2 drafts, and start rebuilding.

[alkemical]

No. i didnt say trade players for other random players. I said trade our player(s) worth 1st round picks, and rebuild.
No more "plug and play" with FA'a and traded players. This isnt working. you want to rebuild? Do it the way DAL did it back in the early 90's.
Get a $h!tload of high picks over 2 drafts, and start rebuilding.

no i know what you said, but trading say... champ for a #1 - then leaves a hole at CB - foxworth isn't good enough (or we wouldn't have traded for bly).

etc etc -

[socalorado]

no i know what you said, but trading say... champ for a #1 - then leaves a hole at CB - foxworth isn't good enough (or we wouldn't have traded for bly).

etc etc -

1st off, Champ would net 2 1st round picks easily over 2 drafts. Say a
2008 1st and a 2009 1st.
2nd, Just cause hes gone doesnt mean anything anyways! Are you kidding me?? Doesnt seem to matter right now huh!?!?!? A CB is only as good as the D-Line. This should be readily apparent to you all by now. For crying out loud, If Bailey AND Bly cant do it, then no one can!
This team needs 10 -12 players! PERIOD!
Champ is getting injured every year now cause he has to do waaaaaay to much to be a competent CB. He's 30.
Do you really think he is going to stick around and wait for a team to rebuild?
Do you really think he can continue to get injured every year now, and not let it affect him?
Do you really think he will wait that long hypothetically of course, to MAYBE win a SB in DEN? Pfft! Your dreaming!!!!
Champs trade value is at the highest it will ever be RIGHT NOW!!
Jerry Jones wouldnt think twice to give up one of his two 1st rounders this year and a 2009 1st rounder next year to get CHamp to complete his defense in DAL so they can legitimately compete against the 3 WR's in NE in the SB!!
Thats what Jerry's building down there, a team to compete against that nightmare in NE. He was enamoured with DeAngelo Hall and said he would give up one of his 1sts for him earlier in the season, what makes you think he wont give up 2 for the best CB in the NFL?
Alot of posters are just in denial that Champs going to sit around and wait at 30 for this team to turn it around. i wouldnt be suprised if Champ started making waves about getting out of town during this or next offseason. Guy only has a very limited window to win in the NFL at 30 yrs of age. By 32, he could seriously drop off in his play or get injured and NOT recover this time, and then what? Nada.

[NFLBRONCO]

Until lines are fixed big deal about having great corners they get beat like a drum with no help from front 7. This team is a mess build through the draft.

[DivineLegion]

Trade Bly for a DT

Bly is still holds some value and we have two young corners waiting in the wings both in their third year. Bly is a liability in coverage and in the running game. When did you see D-Will wiff on a quick screen to a WR? Foxworth is almost ready to start and I think Paymah has shown he has what it takes. Plus if we can move down we could draft Antoine Caison to compete with these guys and continue to have the sickest secondary in the league. Plus Caison returns punts and if you look at his numbers comming out of college they mirror a fallen Bronco 3 kick returns and 3 INT returns for TDs this season.

[mopatt24]

Trade Bly for Vilma.

The stories that were coming out of NY about Vilma were very clouded. Mangini wanted Vilma out of NY because he didnt fit the 3-4 scheme, thats why there were trade rumors last off season about Vilma. He's young and he'll come back from this injury.

I do have one major concern about the draft though. Considering now that were in top 10 for the draft, I wouldnt be surprised if Shanny pulled the trigger on trading up to get Darren Mcfadden for his offense. Honestly, I rather take Keith Rivers or Kenny Phillips but I can see Shanahan doing that on draft day. We'll see how we approach FA which will let us know which way they're going.

[socalorado]

Trade Bly for a DT

Bly is still holds some value and we have two young corners waiting in the wings both in their third year. Bly is a liability in coverage and in the running game. When did you see D-Will wiff on a quick screen to a WR? Foxworth is almost ready to start and I think Paymah has shown he has what it takes. Plus if we can move down we could draft Antoine Caison to compete with these guys and continue to have the sickest secondary in the league. Plus Caison returns punts and if you look at his numbers comming out of college they mirror a fallen Bronco 3 kick returns and 3 INT returns for TDs this season.

OR do this.
FA
Spend all available FA dough on these player only! Begin to rebuild the lines and get veterans to help the younger guys learn the position(s).
DTs RANDY STARKS(TEN)/COREY WILLIAMS (GB) Shouldnt be too expensive.
G ALAN FANECA(PIT) RT JORDAN GROSS(CAR) Expensive but worth it. If Faneco is too expensive, fine forget him. But get a couple guys that can rebuild the o-line.

Trade Champ Bailey for two mid 1st (this year and next year)with DAL. That would give us 4 #1s over two years, so I'd trade 2 of them to move up. That would still allow DEN to keep one 2009 1st rounder.

1 DARREN MCFADDEN RB ARK
1 BEAU BELL MLB UNLV
2 TERREL THOMAS FS/STs/CB USC
3 LAVELLE HAWKINS WR/STs CAL
4 BRYAN KEHL OLB BYU
4 KEVIN ELLISON SS USC (if he declares, if not, fine,Zibby or Stetzl)
5 JACOB HESTER FB LSU
5 JERREMY ZUTTAH G/C/T RUTGERS
7 BRIAN WITHERSPOON CB STILLMAN
7 PAUL RAYMOND WR/STs BROWN

DEN will have addressed both lines with solid players, along with the current crop of new draftees making a formidable start to rebuilding the lines.
Now DEN would have its TRIO to build around. (much like DAL with its trio in the early 90's. Cutler, Marshall and McFadden)
DEN adrressed the STs with 3! players that excel at kickoffs and returns. Hawkins,Thomas and Raymond.
DEN addressed thE issue of "leadership" with "playmakers" like Bell, Thomas and McFadden all of whom are THE LEADERS IN EACH LOCKROOM RESPECTIVELY!
DEN addressed the lines with solid FA players of need. Not "luxury" players.
DEN would also scare the $h!t out of not only the AFCWEST, but the rest of the NFL would be put on notice that DEN is rebuilding and they will be a force to be reckoned with over the next couple of years.
DEN STILL has ALL OF ITS PICKS FOR 2009 to continue to rebuild in all phases of the game!!
I guarantee you, that little phillip rivers would never be seen mouthing off to any Bronco again with the likes of leaders like Beau Bell and Terrell Thomas or DMAC on the other side of the field!!
No, i imagine DMAC would put the scare of a lifetime into all of DENVERS opponents knowing full well what a player like LT or EMMIT SMITH is capable of!!
You want to rebuild? Dont beat around the bush, just do it!

[SonOfLe-loLang]

OR do this.
FA
Spend all available FA dough on these player only! Begin to rebuild the lines and get veterans to help the younger guys learn the position(s).
DTs RANDY STARKS(TEN)/COREY WILLIAMS (GB) Shouldnt be too expensive.
G ALAN FANECA(PIT) RT JORDAN GROSS(CAR) Expensive but worth it. If Faneco is too expensive, fine forget him. But get a couple guys that can rebuild the o-line.

Trade Champ Bailey for two mid 1st (this year and next year)with DAL. That would give us 4 #1s over two years, so I'd trade 2 of them to move up. That would still allow DEN to keep one 2009 1st rounder.

1 DARREN MCFADDEN RB ARK
1 BEAU BELL MLB UNLV
2 TERREL THOMAS FS/STs/CB USC
3 LAVELLE HAWKINS WR/STs CAL
4 BRYAN KEHL OLB BYU
4 KEVIN ELLISON SS USC (if he declares, if not, fine,Zibby or Stetzl)
5 JACOB HESTER FB LSU
5 JERREMY ZUTTAH G/C/T RUTGERS
7 BRIAN WITHERSPOON CB STILLMAN
7 PAUL RAYMOND WR/STs BROWN

DEN will have addressed both lines with solid players, along with the current crop of new draftees making a formidable start to rebuilding the lines.
Now DEN would have its TRIO to build around. (much like DAL with its trio in the early 90's. Cutler, Marshall and McFadden)
DEN adrressed the STs with 3! players that excel at kickoffs and returns. Hawkins,Thomas and Raymond.
DEN addressed thE issue of "leadership" with "playmakers" like Bell, Thomas and McFadden all of whom are THE LEADERS IN EACH LOCKROOM RESPECTIVELY!
DEN addressed the lines with solid FA players of need. Not "luxury" players.
DEN would also scare the $h!t out of not only the AFCWEST, but the rest of the NFL would be put on notice that DEN is rebuilding and they will be a force to be reckoned with over the next couple of years.
DEN STILL has ALL OF ITS PICKS FOR 2009 to continue to rebuild in all phases of the game!!
I guarantee you, that little phillip rivers would never be seen mouthing off to any Bronco again with the likes of leaders like Beau Bell and Terrell Thomas or DMAC on the other side of the field!!
No, i imagine DMAC would put the scare of a lifetime into all of DENVERS opponents knowing full well what a player like LT or EMMIT SMITH is capable of!!
You want to rebuild? Dont beat around the bush, just do it!



What the heck are you smoking?

[socalorado]

What the heck are you smoking?

I know, i know, you would have to trade in your overhyped Champ jerseys for a DMAC jersey, but instead of fighting change, numbnuts, welcome it!

[bronco militia]

Don't trade for anyone, draft 'em

bahhhhh

skip free agency and make more trades. Teams don't let great players hit free agency anymore

take Daniel Graham and Travis Henry for example......

[alkemical]

1st off, Champ would net 2 1st round picks easily over 2 drafts. Say a
2008 1st and a 2009 1st.
2nd, Just cause hes gone doesnt mean anything anyways! Are you kidding me?? Doesnt seem to matter right now huh!?!?!? A CB is only as good as the D-Line. This should be readily apparent to you all by now. For crying out loud, If Bailey AND Bly cant do it, then no one can!
This team needs 10 -12 players! PERIOD!
Champ is getting injured every year now cause he has to do waaaaaay to much to be a competent CB. He's 30.
Do you really think he is going to stick around and wait for a team to rebuild?
Do you really think he can continue to get injured every year now, and not let it affect him?
Do you really think he will wait that long hypothetically of course, to MAYBE win a SB in DEN? Pfft! Your dreaming!!!!
Champs trade value is at the highest it will ever be RIGHT NOW!!
Jerry Jones wouldnt think twice to give up one of his two 1st rounders this year and a 2009 1st rounder next year to get CHamp to complete his defense in DAL so they can legitimately compete against the 3 WR's in NE in the SB!!
Thats what Jerry's building down there, a team to compete against that nightmare in NE. He was enamoured with DeAngelo Hall and said he would give up one of his 1sts for him earlier in the season, what makes you think he wont give up 2 for the best CB in the NFL?
Alot of posters are just in denial that Champs going to sit around and wait at 30 for this team to turn it around. i wouldnt be suprised if Champ started making waves about getting out of town during this or next offseason. Guy only has a very limited window to win in the NFL at 30 yrs of age. By 32, he could seriously drop off in his play or get injured and NOT recover this time, and then what? Nada.

I don't think champ will net 2 #1's.

[socalorado]

I don't think champ will net 2 #1's.

Jerry Jones would give DEN 2 1sts in a heartbeat to finalize that "D" in DALLAS!!! Are you kidding me?!?!? He HAS 2 1sts THIS year alone and plenty of ammo for years to come, Jerry wouldnt blink twice at getting Champ to complete his team for a run at beating the nightmare of NewEngland and their 3 WR's Sets!!
Jerry's doing what he always does, its no different in DAL than in the 90's. He going for it all, and he wants the final peice to the puzzle!

[alkemical]

Jerry Jones would give DEN 2 1sts in a heartbeat to finalize that "D" in DALLAS!!! Are you kidding me?!?!? He HAS 2 1sts THIS year alone and plenty of ammo for years to come, Jerry wouldnt blink twice at getting Champ to complete his team for a run at beating the nightmare of NewEngland and their 3 WR's Sets!!
Jerry's doing what he always does, its no different in DAL than in the 90's. He going for it all, and he wants the final peice to the puzzle!

Yeah.... I guess since the trade deadline is over - you can wake up now.

[socalorado]

Yeah.... I guess since the trade deadline is over - you can wake up now.

I'm talking about in the offseason. Jeez!
Obviously both teams are going to be there next year.
DUde read the post! Both teams will be playing for a SB the next couple of years, or AT LEAST BOTH ORGINAZATIONS THINK THEY WILL are you in a state of denial about NE or DAL?

[lex]

I agree that we should really look at trading some players including Champ Bailey. And I could see Champ netting 2 firsts. Teams that really need a CB, would see trading for Champ as less risky than using to draft a CB in the first round. I can see a team like Buffalo giving up their 08 and 09 1sts for Champ. Theyve lost talent at CB but are a team that probably believe theyre on the rise and also the fact that they play New England twice a year could make Champ especially appealing. If this team reached when taking Whitner and McCargo, what makes you think they wouldnt put that kind of a premium on an elite player like Champ?

The Jets are another team that might be tempted to take Champ. Again, beiing in the same division as New England or Indianapolis, pretty much has to make them a candidate.

But in addition to what So Cal said and the fact that its a weak year for CBs where the draft is concerned, a corner back is more like the last piece of the puzzle. Again, good teams are typically built from front to back, which we're presently not. Trading Champ would net us the draft picks that would help us improve faster. Until we have other pieces we diminish champs value to us. It sucks for him that he is being wasted but its a reality.

[Rohirrim]

I would trade Champ to the Saints for their first and third. Then I would take Sam Baker (OT) and Sedrick Ellis (DT) in the first round, Ben Robinson (OG) in the second and Chris Williams (OT) in the third. That ought to do it. ;D

[NFLBRONCO]

I would trade Champ too if you look at the whole picture. The problem is our HC thinks this team is more talented then 99 team. So no way he trades him.
We will hear same ole song the next 5 yrs.

[socalorado]

I would trade Champ too if you look at the whole picture. The problem is our HC thinks this team is more talented then 99 team. So no way he trades him.
We will hear same ole song the next 5 yrs.

You may just be suprised dude. Jerry and Pat are close friends and i wouldnt put it past either in the offseason start trying to make their respective runs at SBs.
I think Bowlen is going to be looking for a new GM, and rebuild this thing with some aces up his sleve.
Jerry, like Lex said is just looking for the final piece to his puzzle.
I'm sure Tom Brady wouldnt be so smug throwing against that DAL "D" with Champ on one side, huh?

[nickademus]

First let me say that a Champ Baily trade is about as likely as John Elway decideing he wants one more shot. but if we were to trade him we would need at least two first round picks but some one please explain to me who would be playing corner in place of #24?

[socalorado]

First let me say that a Champ Baily trade is about as likely as John Elway decideing he wants one more shot. but if we were to trade him we would need at least two first round picks but some one please explain to me who would be playing corner in place of #24?

Hillarious! Obviously you havent read the thread. Plese do cause i do exactly what you said.
As for who will play CB in place of Champ, Bly, Foxworth and Paymah.
I dont know if you have realized this yet, but it doesnt matter WHO plays CB for DEN! As long as theres no pass rush ot pressure fron the DTs, the CB,s suck regardless.
Were discussing rebuilding.

[TheDave]

Ah jeezus... not this trade Champ **** again.

[elsid13]

Can we stop the trade Champ garbage. It not going to happens because:

1. He is a HOF player, that is a difference maker in his prime
2. It would be huge cap hit ($15+M) that would set this franchise back
3. Would destroy Shanahan and Denver reputation as the good place to be as FA or football player
4. You don't trade production for potential in NFL, unless you're really stupid or named Bidwell
5. He like Denver and respect Shanahan and the team.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Ah jeezus... not this trade Champ **** again.

The football IQ of this board is approaching negative numbers

[elsid13]

The football IQ of this board is approaching negative numbers

It almost like Gonzo has multiplied and taken up permanent residence here.

[NFLBRONCO]

Can we stop the trade Champ garbage. It not going to happens because:

1. He is a HOF player, that is a difference maker in his prime
2. It would be huge cap hit ($15+M) that would set this franchise back
3. Would destroy Shanahan and Denver reputation as the good place to be as FA or football player
4. You don't trade production for potential in NFL, unless you're really stupid or named Bidwell
5. He like Denver and respect Shanahan and the team.


I respect your side on this subject and your views on it. The part I don't get though is

It would set this franchise back. How much farther back can it go? This is the worst team in Shanny's era (Except for a few players) without a doubt. The way Shanny and Ted build teams Champ will be retired before we see SB again.

[~Crash~]

I agree that we should really look at trading some players including Champ Bailey. And I could see Champ netting 2 firsts. Teams that really need a CB, would see trading for Champ as less risky than using to draft a CB in the first round. I can see a team like Buffalo giving up their 08 and 09 1sts for Champ. Theyve lost talent at CB but are a team that probably believe theyre on the rise and also the fact that they play New England twice a year could make Champ especially appealing. If this team reached when taking Whitner and McCargo, what makes you think they wouldnt put that kind of a premium on an elite player like Champ?

The Jets are another team that might be tempted to take Champ. Again, beiing in the same division as New England or Indianapolis, pretty much has to make them a candidate.

But in addition to what So Cal said and the fact that its a weak year for CBs where the draft is concerned, a corner back is more like the last piece of the puzzle. Again, good teams are typically built from front to back, which we're presently not. Trading Champ would net us the draft picks that would help us improve faster. Until we have other pieces we diminish champs value to us. It sucks for him that he is being wasted but its a reality.


I had this out there last year before the draft not a bad Idea

[dbfan4life]

LOL! You guys take this Madden stuff way too far!!! ROFL!

[socalorado]

Can we stop the trade Champ garbage. It not going to happens because:

1. He is a HOF player, that is a difference maker in his prime NOT MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN DEN, THATS FOR SURE
2. It would be huge cap hit ($15+M) that would set this franchise back NO ITS CURENTLY 12MIL AND IT CAN BE WORKED AROUND
3. Would destroy Shanahan and Denver reputation as the good place to be as FA or football player HILLARIOUS! SHENANIGANS REPUTATION!! L!OL! KNOWN AS A MASTER TRADER!!
4. You don't trade production for potential in NFL, unless you're really stupid or named Bidwell. PRODUCTION AT CB IS USELESS IF THERE ISNT A D-LINE
5. He like Denver and respect Shanahan and the team. BIG DEAL! I AM SURE HE WOULD RESPECT SHANNY EVEN MORE IF HE TRADED HIM TO A SB TRUE CONTENDER!!

[DarkHorse]

I know it's just talk and all but


Some of you guys would seriously trade a player like Champ Bailey - arguably the BEST corner in the game, PROVEN year in and year out, for a few high risk, roll of the dice 'they were good in college so I hope they're good in the pro's' draft picks?


****ing tools. Seriously you guys are idiots.


I can see trading someone while they have 'trade value' but a Champ Bailey? R-E-T-A-R-D-S.

This is why I don't visit the 'mane in the off-season. Too much chlorine needed for the gene pool here.

San Fran should have traded Rice at the height of his career, eh?

Shiat - maybe San Diego will let LT go in the off-season? Heck, why not? They could get some future 'maybe, maybe nots' - sounds like value to me.


Some of you guys and your nut hugging of rookies just boggles my mind. Your mentality is why the NFL has the rookie money problem that it does, which causes teams to get into financial ruin over 1 ****ing kid coming out of college.

Jesus Christ - see you guys next year.

[elsid13]

I respect your side on this subject and your views on it. The part I don't get though is

It would set this franchise back. How much farther back can it go? This is the worst team in Shanny's era (Except for a few players) without a doubt. The way Shanny and Ted build teams Champ will be retired before we see SB again.

First, like I have posted before, things turn around quickly in the NFL. The right players come together in locker room and the chemistry make them a very good team. I think that Shanahan has the most important part to make us successful a young QB that has shown flashes of being very very good. A lot of the offense line troubles are the fact that it take time for the offense to jell, and I don't think that happen with 4 new starters this year. We saw some that jellig, we're not as bad people think - Remember Pittsburgh or GB or the Chefs? Next year I expect that we will be better there and if we had talent FA RT, a heck of lot better.

While on defense, I expect the move to get us some help up the middle, which should help fix the run defense. Once we are able to stop the run, the whole defense is going to able to get after the QB, especial if our offense can get out early. Which is going to happen, you can see it.

Trading away Champ sends the wrong message to the players on the team and those FA looking for the right team to join. It like putting a sign up saying we want to be the Mike Brown Cincinnati's Bungels. Do want to overpay to get 2nd tier FA here?

[Rohirrim]

I respect your side on this subject and your views on it. The part I don't get though is

It would set this franchise back. How much farther back can it go? This is the worst team in Shanny's era (Except for a few players) without a doubt. The way Shanny and Ted build teams Champ will be retired before we see SB again.

That's exactly the point. For those who think Shanahan will suddenly fulfill the promises he's been making for ten years, trading Champ is a mistake. For those who realize this team is at square one and needs to rebuild from the lines up, trading Champ makes sense, especially for him. The rest of the FAs in the league would say, "That's cool. The Broncos gave Champ a chance to go somewhere where he could win."

[socalorado]

That's exactly the point. For those who think Shanahan will suddenly fulfill the promises he's been making for ten years, trading Champ is a mistake. For those who realize this team is at square one and needs to rebuild from the lines up, trading Champ makes sense, especially for him. The rest of the FAs in the league would say, "That's cool. The Broncos gave Champ a chance to go somewhere where he could win."

Exactly it just has to do with the betterment of the team.
If you dont think the teams at square one, then Champ is a viable player,
but if you think there needs to be a complete and total rebuild , like alot of us, then trading him is the best way to go.

[Beantown Bronco]

The football IQ of this board is approaching negative numbers

It's like pulling out a gray hair (Bob) and all of a sudden seven more gray hairs pop up in its place (newbies and SD fans).....

[TDmvp]

to all you saying trade Champ .... Duh ...... yea right ...

[Vegas_Bronco]

I am all for them getting Beau Bell - dude is unreal. But, the trade scenarios are too costly. Just draft the guy straight up.

[Vegas_Bronco]

.

[Rohirrim]

I know it's just talk and all but


Some of you guys would seriously trade a player like Champ Bailey - arguably the BEST corner in the game, PROVEN year in and year out, for a few high risk, roll of the dice 'they were good in college so I hope they're good in the pro's' draft picks?


****ing tools. Seriously you guys are idiots.


I can see trading someone while they have 'trade value' but a Champ Bailey? R-E-T-A-R-D-S.

This is why I don't visit the 'mane in the off-season. Too much chlorine needed for the gene pool here.

San Fran should have traded Rice at the height of his career, eh?

Shiat - maybe San Diego will let LT go in the off-season? Heck, why not? They could get some future 'maybe, maybe nots' - sounds like value to me.


Some of you guys and your nut hugging of rookies just boggles my mind. Your mentality is why the NFL has the rookie money problem that it does, which causes teams to get into financial ruin over 1 ****ing kid coming out of college.

Jesus Christ - see you guys next year.

At the height of Rice's career the Niners were the best team in the NFL. LT is going to the playoffs. Some people believe that this team is back to square one and a long way from the playoffs. You obviously still have faith in Shanahan. Some here don't. Some have opened their eyes and realize that Shanahan has been saying the same thing for eleven years with nothing to show for it. Some here believe by the time this team gets back to the SB, Champ will have retired. Some believe that the best thing for the team and for Champ would be to get some high draft picks for him, rebuild our lines and let him go play for a contender. I guess you would prefer to see him just slogging along on a losing team for the next few years. Not me. Besides which, you come to a message board and expect no controversial arguments? Who's the ****ing idiot?

[TDmvp]

I know it's just talk and all but


Some of you guys would seriously trade a player like Champ Bailey - arguably the BEST corner in the game, PROVEN year in and year out, for a few high risk, roll of the dice 'they were good in college so I hope they're good in the pro's' draft picks?


****ing tools. Seriously you guys are idiots.


I can see trading someone while they have 'trade value' but a Champ Bailey? R-E-T-A-R-D-S.

This is why I don't visit the 'mane in the off-season. Too much chlorine needed for the gene pool here.

San Fran should have traded Rice at the height of his career, eh?

Shiat - maybe San Diego will let LT go in the off-season? Heck, why not? They could get some future 'maybe, maybe nots' - sounds like value to me.


Some of you guys and your nut hugging of rookies just boggles my mind. Your mentality is why the NFL has the rookie money problem that it does, which causes teams to get into financial ruin over 1 ****ing kid coming out of college.

Jesus Christ - see you guys next year.

REP

[Beantown Bronco]

Some believe that the best thing for the team and for Champ would be to get some high draft picks for him, rebuild our lines and let him go play for a contender.

This is the part that really puts it over the edge for me. Aside from the obvious hindrance: Champ's huge cap hit against the Broncos if he were to be traded ($15 mil).....if we are talking Dallas here, like many are, how could they afford him? They've already got a decent amount of money tied up in the offense and even more already in the defense.....before Champ even shows up. I just can't see how they make that work, but that's just my opinion.

[socalorado]

This is the part that really puts it over the edge for me. Aside from the obvious hindrance: Champ's huge cap hit against the Broncos if he were to be traded ($15 mil).....if we are talking Dallas here, like many are, how could they afford him? They've already got a decent amount of money tied up in the offense and even more already in the defense.....before Champ even shows up. I just can't see how they make that work, but that's just my opinion.

Yep, Ol Jerry never makes things work down there in big D huh?

[bpc]

I would love to see Cincy push Chad Johnson out the door and have him land in our laps.

I know, some of you guys hate him. I don't think he's a bad guy, he just likes to celebrate. He's also one of the best deep threats in the league.

Still, until we get a line that will block for Cutler, it doesn't matter what moves we make. This franchise is only going to go as far as Cutler can take him. That makes it imperative that we build around him.

[TDmvp]

I live in Cincinnati , Bengals not my team , but would like to see home town team improve , and i want them to trade Chad ..... Just not to us LOL ..... he would so not fit in here ...

[NFLBRONCO]

As far as the Champ cap hit we blew 52 mil on Travis and Graham I think we handle Champ's cap hit. I know I bring up stuff you guys disagree with but, why am and others an idiot for doing so. If you drink Shanny koolaide and believe he can right this ship fast cool I disagree but, I'm not going to go Rivers on you either. I want to get better this team lacks everything.

So the don't trade Champ crowd tell me how we get back to SB once or twice before Champ declines?

[Rohirrim]

This is the part that really puts it over the edge for me. Aside from the obvious hindrance: Champ's huge cap hit against the Broncos if he were to be traded ($15 mil).....if we are talking Dallas here, like many are, how could they afford him? They've already got a decent amount of money tied up in the offense and even more already in the defense.....before Champ even shows up. I just can't see how they make that work, but that's just my opinion.

I was talking about the Saints. Somebody else had the Cowboys. It's all just message board talk at any rate. I have no idea why people take it so seriously. Maybe they lead sheltered lives. ;)

I'm sure Barry Sanders wishes he would have stayed just one more year with the Lions. Then, maybe, they would have gone all the way.

[DarkHorse]

At the height of Rice's career the Niners were the best team in the NFL. LT is going to the playoffs. Some people believe that this team is back to square one and a long way from the playoffs. You obviously still have faith in Shanahan. Some here don't. Some have opened their eyes and realize that Shanahan has been saying the same thing for eleven years with nothing to show for it. Some here believe by the time this team gets back to the SB, Champ will have retired. Some believe that the best thing for the team and for Champ would be to get some high draft picks for him, rebuild our lines and let him go play for a contender. I guess you would prefer to see him just slogging along on a losing team for the next few years. Not me. Besides which, you come to a message board and expect no controversial arguments? Who's the ****ing idiot?

Ringleader?


You'd be the first one bitching when we select some bust O lineman, D lineman, Safety, WR, RB, ANY position

"We traded Champ Bailey for???"

Sigh

Keep on with your Internet GM skills buddy - whatever gives you reason to talk football I guess.

[alkemical]

As i said before, some of this isn't really the front office's part - but the PLAYERS fault.

It's not the front office's fault that G. Foster got soft, or that Tatum Bell couldn't be tougher. Or that Lelie had pandis.

Others i can blame for (paul toveosi, middlebrooks, etc).

But for players like D. O'neal - that was HIS fault he didn't stop listening to his own hype, etc.

So not all of the problems we have are due to the front office as a whole, sometimes people are lazy and soft - and well that's how it is.

[nickademus]

Hillarious! Obviously you havent read the thread. Plese do cause i do exactly what you said.
As for who will play CB in place of Champ, Bly, Foxworth and Paymah.
I dont know if you have realized this yet, but it doesnt matter WHO plays CB for DEN! As long as theres no pass rush ot pressure fron the DTs, the CB,s suck regardless.
Were discussing rebuilding.


you have to be kidding right? if foxworth and paymah could start we wouldnt have traded for bly so I ask you again who do we start at CB after Champ is gone?

[Rohirrim]

Ringleader?


You'd be the first one b****ing when we select some bust O lineman, D lineman, Safety, WR, RB, ANY position

"We traded Champ Bailey for???"

Sigh

Keep on with your Internet GM skills buddy - whatever gives you reason to talk football I guess.

And you drop in every once in awhile and pass judgment on everybody else from your lofty heights.

[DarkHorse]

you have to be kidding right? if foxworth and paymah could start we wouldnt have traded for bly so I ask you again who do we start at CB after Champ is gone?


We would have to roll a safety over to each side every single down. Trading away Bailey would open a can of pandora's box that no internet GM here at the 'mane can even take into consideration.

With our injuries, Bailey and Elam probably combine for 5 of our wins this year alone. Easily.

Take Bailey out and it's a ****ing nightmare. Sure, let's trade him now while he has value so we can develop "future" hopefulls and live with 3 years of mediocraty.

Heh, sounds intelligent to me.

Of course, most here will play the optimistic role thinking that whoever we draft with the Bailey picks will be instant stars and we'll once again rise to elite status in a matter of months. I mean, we're the Denver Broncos right? We don't make major draft mistakes, we don't need to develop players - they just come right out of college and straight to Hawaii :thanku:

[DarkHorse]

And you drop in every once in awhile and pass judgment on everybody else from your lofty heights.

Yep, as opposed to looking like an ass 15 thousand times over. Sorry, I have a life and it's not internet GM.

Ever see that IBM commercial? The virtual island guy eh?

[socalorado]

you have to be kidding right? if foxworth and paymah could start we wouldnt have traded for bly so I ask you again who do we start at CB after Champ is gone?

Pretty stupid trade huh? I guess thats for the "fire shenanigans" threads that are all over this freaking site!!
Who says they couldnt start? Shanny? L!OL! Apparently he thought Paul Ernster could start too, and well, we all see how that worked out!

I'll tell you AGAIN! IT DOESNT MATTER WHO STARTS!!! Its irrelevent to the Denver Broncos, who plays cornerback. Got it? It doesnt matter if NEON DEION in his prime and CHAMP both played with Ronnie Lott at FS in his prime and Steve Atwater at SS in his prime all at the same time, its irrelevant!
As long as the D-LINE SUCKS BALLS, they wont stop anyone!
If you cant figure this out by now, your blind!
OHBTW, this isnt my opinion, its simple fact.

[Rohirrim]

Yep, as opposed to looking like an ass 15 thousand times over. Sorry, I have a life and it's not internet GM.

Ever see that IBM commercial? The virtual island guy eh?

Hmmm. Then why are you here making comments? Ha! Life is calling.

[DarkHorse]

Hmmm. Then why are you here making comments? Ha! Life is calling.

Weak.


I'd figure someone with your 15 thousand posts would be well versed at internet smack talk but you're all bark and no bite.

Nice try.


Hey, it's all in fun tho. My opinion, your opinion.

[Rohirrim]

Weak.


I'd figure someone with your 15 thousand posts would be well versed at internet smack talk but you're all bark and no bite.

Nice try.


Hey, it's all in fun tho. My opinion, your opinion.

I started to, but then I realized you're not worth the effort. I have obviously ruffled your Champ man-crush. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;D

[DarkHorse]

I started to, but then I realized you're not worth the effort. I have obviously ruffled your Champ man-crush. Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;D

That wasn't bad !Booya!

:wiggle:

[Rohirrim]

That wasn't bad !Booya!

:wiggle:

:thanku:

[broncolife]

As i said before, some of this isn't really the front office's part - but the PLAYERS fault.

It's not the front office's fault that G. Foster got soft, or that Tatum Bell couldn't be tougher. Or that Lelie had pandis.

Others i can blame for (paul toveosi, middlebrooks, etc).

But for players like D. O'neal - that was HIS fault he didn't stop listening to his own hype, etc.

So not all of the problems we have are due to the front office as a whole, sometimes people are lazy and soft - and well that's how it is.

George Foster was the FO fault. I couldnt believe we drafted that injured fat tub of lard who only played in around 9 college games.

[BroncoBuff]

Haynesworth will be too expensive unless teams shy away for character reasons ... but one of Shaun Rogers or Kris Jenkins would be Job One on the free agency market in my view. Because rookie DTs are slow to develop, and because DT is clearly our weakest roster spot (and is the #1 reason we suck), I say go free agent at DT, and draft S, O-Line, OLB and P.

I'm very bearish on free agents this year though .... we need to integrate all the new, young faces we have. Along with DT ineptitude and the losses of Al Wilson and Rod Smith, the glut of new faces and slow integration of them are the Top 3 Reasons we sucked this year. So please - 3 or 4 FA/trades, TOPS.

[eddie mac]

Haynesworth will be too expensive unless teams shy away for character reasons ... but one of Shaun Rogers or Kris Jenkins would be Job One on the free agency market in my view. Because rookie DTs are slow to develop, and because DT is clearly our weakest roster spot (and is the #1 reason we suck), I say go free agent at DT, and draft S, O-Line, OLB and P.

I'm very bearish on free agents this year though .... we need to integrate all the new, young faces we have. Along with DT ineptitude and the losses of Al Wilson and Rod Smith, the glut of new faces and slow integration of them are the Top 3 Reasons we sucked this year. So please - 3 or 4 FA/trades, TOPS.

BB, neither Rogers or Jenkins are free agents unless either get cut and I dont see that happening given their trade value. You're talking a trade down in the 1st or a 2nd rd pick on its own to nab either.

[Inkana7]

George Foster was the FO fault. I couldnt believe we drafted that injured fat tub of lard who only played in around 9 college games.

Antonio Cromartie played like 1 game his senior season, and only a few his Junior. He leads the NFL in INTs. You just never know.

[nickademus]

Pretty stupid trade huh? I guess thats for the "fire shenanigans" threads that are all over this freaking site!!
Who says they couldnt start? Shanny? L!OL! Apparently he thought Paul Ernster could start too, and well, we all see how that worked out!

I'll tell you AGAIN! IT DOESNT MATTER WHO STARTS!!! Its irrelevent to the Denver Broncos, who plays cornerback. Got it? It doesnt matter if NEON DEION in his prime and CHAMP both played with Ronnie Lott at FS in his prime and Steve Atwater at SS in his prime all at the same time, its irrelevant!
As long as the D-LINE SUCKS BALLS, they wont stop anyone!
If you cant figure this out by now, your blind!
OHBTW, this isnt my opinion, its simple fact.

if you think that champ is irrelevent to this defence I have to wonder which team you watch on sundays. I agree that our d-line sucks balls but that can be fixed without the trade of our best player. does our d-line hinder our secondary? definately, but since champ is a better tackler than everyone other than lynch and doomervile he makes himself an even more important piece to our D and team without champ we are a 3-4 win team this year.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

if you think that champ is irrelevent to this defence .

These morons don't watch the games and if they do they don't understand what is going on. They are just 10 year olds with their joy sticks and computer games

[broncolife]

Antonio Cromartie played like 1 game his senior season, and only a few his Junior. He leads the NFL in INTs. You just never know.
I knew.And the 20 chargers fans that made fun of me because of that pick knew. And my friends that called me up right after the pick knew when they said I cant believe we drafted that slob.

[BroncoBuff]

BB, neither Rogers or Jenkins are free agents unless either get cut and I dont see that happening given their trade value. You're talking a trade down in the 1st or a 2nd rd pick on its own to nab either.
Okay. I'll trade a 2nd-rounder for either one. I think I'm on the record with that opinion ;D

Just look back through the Shanahan years on 2nd rounders - aside from Scheffler, the list is a killing floor. I'll swap this year's #2 for a Pro-Bowl caliber DT in less than a heartbeat. It's the weakest spot on our roster, and a notoriously slow-to-develop rookie position.

[SoCalBronco]

Okay. I'll trade a 2nd-rounder for either one. I think I'm on the record with that opinion ;D

Just look back through the Shanahan years on 2nd rounders - aside from Scheffler, the list is a killing floor. I'll swap this year's #2 for a Pro-Bowl caliber DT in less than a heartbeat. It's the weakest spot on our roster, and a notoriously slow-to-develop rookie position.

Actually, Senator, the 2nd round has been by far our best round this decade.

We have gotten all the following players from the 2nd round: Tim Crowder, Tony Scheffler, Darrent Williams, Tatum Bell, Clinton Portis, Ian Gold and Kenoy Kennedy. In fact, if you were to tally our "hits" (I know thats subjective) round by round since 2000, you would find that there is no other round even comes close to approaching this number (the next closest round, which is the fourth round, has four hits).

[Ray Finkle]

Actually, Senator, the 2nd round has been by far our best round this decade.

We have gotten all the following players from the 2nd round: Tim Crowder, Tony Scheffler, Darrent Williams, Tatum Bell, Clinton Portis, Ian Gold and Kenoy Kennedy. In fact, if you were to tally our "hits" (I know thats subjective) round by round since 2000, you would find that there is no other round even comes close to approaching this number (the next closest round, which is the fourth round, has four hits).


You forgot your superstar Portis on that one.....what's wrong, the Pens causing dementia?

[eddie mac]

Antonio Cromartie played like 1 game his senior season, and only a few his Junior. He leads the NFL in INTs. You just never know.

BTW that stat means nothing. A certain Delta O'Neal led the league in picks one season.

[orinjkrush]

a coupla years ago a pair of famous economists studied the NFL draft and concluded the second round was the best value of the whole draft in terms of cost and production. fact.

[eddie mac]

Okay. I'll trade a 2nd-rounder for either one. I think I'm on the record with that opinion ;D

Just look back through the Shanahan years on 2nd rounders - aside from Scheffler, the list is a killing floor. I'll swap this year's #2 for a Pro-Bowl caliber DT in less than a heartbeat. It's the weakest spot on our roster, and a notoriously slow-to-develop rookie position.

I suppose it depends on quite a few things including whether you think either one could solve the current DT crisis and if there's an equivalent player available via FA (Williams) or via the draft when we select. Then you have to account for the cost, how long they'll contribute, etc, etc.

Technically when you trade a 2nd rd pick for a high priced vet you're giving up 2 commodities. The draft pick and your cap room.

In hindsight and if Javon's knee is okay the 2nd rd we utilised on him seemed like a great deal last year. It's up in the air now.

Let's hope if we pull the trigger on a trade for a vet DT it works out better than the 2 we tried to pull off last year. Wilkinson didn't want to come and Kennedy was crap.

[Broncos24]

The guy who started this thread must be smoking something. Champ is by far the best player on our defense and he is an all around player as far as pass coverage and against the run. I dont see anyone in their right mind will trade him.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

a coupla years ago a pair of famous economists studied the NFL draft and concluded the second round was the best value of the whole draft in terms of cost and production. fact.

LInk???

Fact or Fiction????

[SoCalBronco]

You forgot your superstar Portis on that one.....what's wrong, the Pens causing dementia?

I listed Portis, dude.

BTW, we won tonight and are 3 games over .500 now. A trade still needs to be made, though.

[lex]

a coupla years ago a pair of famous economists studied the NFL draft and concluded the second round was the best value of the whole draft in terms of cost and production. fact.

Assigning value is an arbitrary exercise. Im sure its an interesting study but you can always poke holes in stuff like this.

[lex]

First, like I have posted before, things turn around quickly in the NFL. The right players come together in locker room and the chemistry make them a very good team. I think that Shanahan has the most important part to make us successful a young QB that has shown flashes of being very very good. A lot of the offense line troubles are the fact that it take time for the offense to jell, and I don't think that happen with 4 new starters this year. We saw some that jellig, we're not as bad people think - Remember Pittsburgh or GB or the Chefs? Next year I expect that we will be better there and if we had talent FA RT, a heck of lot better.

While on defense, I expect the move to get us some help up the middle, which should help fix the run defense. Once we are able to stop the run, the whole defense is going to able to get after the QB, especial if our offense can get out early. Which is going to happen, you can see it.

Trading away Champ sends the wrong message to the players on the team and those FA looking for the right team to join. It like putting a sign up saying we want to be the Mike Brown Cincinnati's Bungels. Do want to overpay to get 2nd tier FA here?

This is a red herring. First of all, Champ was acquired via a trade...not sure if thats what youre getting at but if you are I just want to put that out there. Second, it seems like we have been getting second tier FAs...so what would be different? Third, it comes down to money. We had to outbid Seattle for Daniel Graham. There was no hometown discount. If you pay them, theyll come. And besides, what it says is that if the players dont get it done the team will have to start trading guys who produce to improve the team...and that means finding your replacement. This is a reality that exists on all teams though some more than others because some teams are better at drafting.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Go away and play with your joy stick and the football IQ of this board will double.

[lex]

Go away and play with your joy stick and the football IQ of this board will double.

Just so you know, Im generally dismissive when it comes to men with two first names.

[Ray Finkle]

I listed Portis, dude.

BTW, we won tonight and are 3 games over .500 now. A trade still needs to be made, though.

doh....


A trade for a set of balls for girl's name? Sounds good. Oh yeah, great job on claiming Gomez would tank in NYC.:welcome:

[socalorado]

This is a red herring. First of all, Champ was acquired via a trade...not sure if thats what youre getting at but if you are I just want to put that out there. Second, it seems like we have been getting second tier FAs...so what would be different? Third, it comes down to money. We had to outbid Seattle for Daniel Graham. There was no hometown discount. If you pay them, theyll come. And besides, what it says is that if the players dont get it done the team will have to start trading guys who produce to improve the team...and that means finding your replacement. This is a reality that exists on all teams though some more than others because some teams are better at drafting.

Agreed. trade him and start rebuilding.

[Ratboy]

Everyone who wants to trade Champ Bailey, say so now.

I don't feel like searching through threads to find the retarded kids.

[socalorado]

Everyone who wants to trade Champ Bailey, say so now.

I don't feel like searching through threads to find the retarded kids.

Easy, rodentguy. Go find the knucklehead who pissed in your cheerios and yell at him ok?:twokisses

[Ratboy]

Easy, rodentguy. Go find the knucklehead who pissed in your cheerios and yell at him ok?:twokisses

Welcome to the World of Ignore. :thumbsup:

If the retards won't stop spewing nonsense, I can atleast stop it coming into my area.

[socalorado]

Welcome to the World of Ignore. :thumbsup:

If the retards won't stop spewing nonsense, I can atleast stop it coming into my area.

Mission accomplished ^5

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Just so you know, Im generally dismissive when it comes to men with two first names.

An illustration of your ignorance of football if you don't get the username and hillarious that this comment comes from someone who worships a comic book villian.

[lex]

An illustration of your ignorance of football if you don't get the username and hillarious that this comment comes from someone who worships a comic book villian.

I worship a comic book villain? Whatever...I guess I dont really care enough to get into a back and forth over this.

[elsid13]

Mission accomplished ^5

You're actually glad, that you drove really good poster to put you on ignore??? That is ****ed up. I mean this is message board, it not about being right it about interaction. Maybe this isn't the site for you.

[socalorado]

You're actually glad, that you drove really good poster to put you on ignore??? That is ****ed up. I mean this is message board, it not about being right it about interaction. Maybe this isn't the site for you.

Namecalling is Ratboys and a couple others MO.
I as usual have no choice but to defend this, and it ends up like most of their posts, a pissing contest. You should be used to this.
If its about interaction then dont start your day by calling someone a retard and making others have to retaliate.
If you cant clearly see this, maybe this site isnt for you.

[lex]

You're actually glad, that you drove really good poster to put you on ignore??? That is ****ed up. I mean this is message board, it not about being right it about interaction. Maybe this isn't the site for you.


No one is innocent here. Ratboy was insulting and it cuts both ways...you get what you get.

[Spider]

trading champ isnt one of the better ideas I have read here ..........

[socalorado]

trading champ isnt one of the better ideas I have read here ..........

SEE! No name calling or hating goin on in this post. Just a honest accessment backed up by absolutely no opinion whatsoever! Whats so wrong with that?

Also Spider, if DEN does trade Champ, which they are considering, the Denver broncos organization is going to have a

"Refund your Champ jersey for half off on any other player jersey day"

So relax, guys its all going to be ok, you can get a Abdullah or Webster jersey and the team will continue on.

[Spider]

SEE! No name calling or hating goin on in this post. Just a honest accessment backed up by absolutely no opinion whatsoever! Whats so wrong with that?

Also Spider, if DEN does trade Champ, which they are considering, the Denver broncos organization is going to have a

"Refund your Champ jersey for half off on any other player jersey day"

So relax, guys its all going to be ok, you can get a Abdullah or Webster jersey and the team will continue on.

Bite me pussy

[elsid13]

SEE! No name calling or hating goin on in this post. Just a honest accessment backed up by absolutely no opinion whatsoever! Whats so wrong with that?

Also Spider, if DEN does trade Champ, which they are considering, the Denver broncos organization is going to have a

"Refund your Champ jersey for half off on any other player jersey day"

So relax, guys its all going to be ok, you can get a Abdullah or Webster jersey and the team will continue on.

Where did you hear that???

[socalorado]

Bite me p***Y

L!LOL!Hilarious! :flower:

:wave:

[socalorado]

Where did you hear that???
A little spider told me

[Spider]

actually if trading Champ would benifit the Broncos , would be for it , but his play far out weighs a trade . for example , we get a kick ass DT , or pressure the qb , where the Qb doesnt have time to let a reciever uncover , chances are a qb wont wing it to champs side ........It isnt so much Champs play has declined , it is more of the other QB getting time ......

[socalorado]

actually if trading Champ would benifit the Broncos , would be for it , but his play far out weighs a trade . for example , we get a kick ass DT , or pressure the qb , where the Qb doesnt have time to let a reciever uncover , chances are a qb wont wing it to champs side ........It isnt so much Champs play has declined , it is more of the other QB getting time ......

I never said Champs play has declined.....yet.
I said he is 30 and his play like most players will decline....soon.
Just my opinion.
I also dont think that getting 1 kick ass DT is going to solve the Denver broncos Woes. I DO think they need DTs, 2 more of em and keep MThomas.
This team is 10-12 players away from even being competitve on a regular basis. Just my 2 cents man.

[Spider]

:rofl: I never said Champs play has declined.....yet.
I said he is 30 and his play like most players will decline....soon.
Just my opinion.
I also dont think that getting 1 kick ass DT is going to solve the Denver broncos Woes. I DO think they need DTs, 2 more of em and keep MThomas.
This team is 10-12 players away from even being competitve on a regular basis. Just my 2 cents man.

meh...... you been reading too much liberial media ya hippie

[Spider]

the loss of Al wilson was one we didnt recover from , pressure on a qb solves just about everything , a DT with Doom , would be 1 hellva tandem . add to it a mike , pretty much set in the front 7 .....
when this team was on , we played damn good .Consistency was our problem more then anything else .......

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Where did you hear that???

It's the voice of comic book villians whispering to him

[Northman]

Bailey will not be traded this offseason. Its a non-issue.

[elsid13]

It's the voice of comic book villians whispering to him

Wonder if the villains were sending him text message from the light rail?

[Rohirrim]

Bailey will not be traded this offseason. Its a non-issue.

Anybody on here could have said the same thing a few years ago about Portis. IMO, this team is at the point where nobody is safe, from the FO on down. The only person I would say is untouchable is the guy who still wears those funky fur coats. ;D