Charger fans discuss Rivers and companies behavior

[Northman]

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=50596


Pretty funny stuff. I only read the first page and it had fans all over the place. Some loved it, some thought it was tasteless, and one guy even commented that Rivers was too scared so he said it far away. :rofl:

[Popps]

Look, these fans just don't have any experience with winning. They've had what... one embarrassing SB appearance in 20 years? They're a joke. Now they've got some corn-fed hick at QB popping off like he's headed for Canton.

Just sit back and enjoy the playoff slaughter. Charger "fans" will be back in hiding soon enough.

[Northman]

Oh, it will be grand. Its a shame too, i really like LT.

[Paladin]

One and done.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sounds like most SD fans who have weighed in are unimpressed with Rivers' act tonight.

I guess the trolls hanging around here just represent the bottom of the barrel.

[bpc]

You know the sad part, if we had a line up to par with Cutler's ability, he would be tearing that defense apart. I hope S. Phillips has fun out on the field, hell, he's running free right into the QB every play.

Gutless play from some of this team which allows these clueless classless charger fans to talk all they want.

Its unfortunate, we have to just sit back endure it.

[Northman]

You know the sad part, if we had a line up to par with Cutler's ability, he would be tearing that defense apart. I hope S. Phillips has fun out on the field, hell, he's running free right into the QB every play.

Gutless play from some of this team which allows these clueless classless charger fans to talk all they want.

Its unfortunate, we have to just sit back endure it.


Whats worse? Imagine if Cutler played on that Charger team? They would be unstoppable.

[bpc]

We tend to make the most average QB's look like all-pro's. Hell, I think we single handedly sent Rivers to the pro bowl last season.

[Muddled]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma5LAUHTQUA

What an idiot, but pretty pathetic to whine about it after we've put up a grand total of 6 points on them in 2 games, hopefully we'll shut them up next year

[DB_champ24]

You know the sad part, if we had a line up to par with Cutler's ability, he would be tearing that defense apart. I hope S. Phillips has fun out on the field, hell, he's running free right into the QB every play.

Gutless play from some of this team which allows these clueless classless charger fans to talk all they want.

Its unfortunate, we have to just sit back endure it.

Couldnt agree more..Makes me hope even more that 2-3 good olinemen come in this year to protect Cutler...Your right most Chargers fans are clueless, just because they get a few winning seasons they think they are the best and act like they are on top of the world. Too bad they are going to have to face hell again in another year or two

[dumpy]

Are these the same guys that whined and cried when the Patriots made fun of Shawne Merrimans' "steriod injection needle sack dance" in the playoffs last year? Didn't LT stand at the podium and call the Patriots classless?

Oh well, here hoping who ever beats them stands at the 50 yard line again and does the same thing again.

[TD30]

Are these the same guys that whined and cried when the Patriots made fun of Shawne Merrimans' "steriod injection needle sack dance" in the playoffs last year? Didn't LT stand at the podium and call the Patriots classless?

Oh well, here hoping who ever beats them stands at the 50 yard line again and does the same thing again.

Great point, I was hoping that the Chargers could beat the Pats and stop them from going undefeated but now I just want to watch the Chargers get their collective arses handed to them. By the way was anyone else hoping Cutler threw a little slant pass in the ear hole of Rivers, show that little punk what a real arm can do.

[lazarus4444]

It is shameful what happened but it was a direct result of the Broncos heartless and gutless play. They will continue to be abused like this until they start playing. This is one of the worst seasons in recent memory, disgusting.

[BigBad]

Whats worse? Imagine if Cutler played on that Charger team? They would be unstoppable.

He fumbles EVERY GAME and makes bone headed decisions ALL THE TIME. Yes he has a good arm but man Cutler is a whining BABY! I do NOT see a winner in that guy.

[Inkana7]

He fumbles EVERY GAME and makes bone headed decisions ALL THE TIME. Yes he has a good arm but man Cutler is a whining BABY! I do NOT see a winner in that guy.

lol

[Northman]

He fumbles EVERY GAME and makes bone headed decisions ALL THE TIME. Yes he has a good arm but man Cutler is a whining BABY! I do NOT see a winner in that guy.


If Cutler is a bad Qb on a bad football team Rivers would be ten times worse on this Bronco team. We would be as bad or worse than Miami this year if Rivers was the Qb.

[BigBad]

If Cutler is a bad Qb on a bad football team Rivers would be ten times worse on this Bronco team. We would be as bad or worse than Miami this year if Rivers was the Qb.

I am NOT saying Rivers is great. I am saying that Cutler is NOT what everyone is making him out to be. He is SOFT and so is Scheff your TE. Instead of playing they beg for the refs to bail them out.

[Inkana7]

I am NOT saying Rivers is great. I am saying that Cutler is NOT what everyone is making him out to be. He is SOFT and so is Scheff your TE. Instead of playing they beg for the refs to bail them out.

lol

[Northman]

I am NOT saying Rivers is great. I am saying that Cutler is NOT what everyone is making him out to be. He is SOFT and so is Scheff your TE. Instead of playing they beg for the refs to bail them out.


Untrue. Shef has made some great catches this year and Jay has played quite well for a second year Qb who has no line in front of him and a defense that is one of the worst in the league. You would know this if you have watched any other Bronco games this year. Rivers was basically given a great and strong team from the get go but yet he still struggles when its time to face a quality opponent (at least this year). What you saw last night was a Denver Qb who wants to win and is frustrated by the way the season has gone. The fact that the Charger players were rubbing salt in the wound did not help the situation. But Jay will learn to overcome things like that and begin to understand that its not all flowers and roses on the Pro level. The running game is a staple for most teams and is MUST for this team. We havent had a consistent running game all year. That would make most young Qb's look like ass.

[Hogan11]

And yet some people just love players who act like this......it's the curse of an entire generation raised on ESPN.

[houghtam]

"When you go to the middle of our field, when you start doing the dance that Shawne Merriman is known for, that's disrespectful to me, and I can't sit there and watch that. And so, yeah, I was very upset. And just the fact that they showed no class at all. Absolutely no class. And maybe that comes from their head coach. So you know, there you have it."

Maybe LT should call them out. Or it turns out, as I expected, LT is full of crap and just like every other classles C U Next Tuesday on the Chargers.

[Paladin]

"When you go to the middle of our field, when you start doing the dance that Shawne Merriman is known for, that's disrespectful to me, and I can't sit there and watch that. And so, yeah, I was very upset. And just the fact that they showed no class at all. Absolutely no class. And maybe that comes from their head coach. So you know, there you have it."

Maybe LT should call them out. Or it turns out, as I expected, LT is full of crap and just like every other classles C U Next Tuesday on the Chargers.

QFT.

Fug the sparkies.....

[DenverBrit]

And yet some people just love players who act like this......it's the curse of an entire generation raised on ESPN.

In a nutshell. :thumbsup:

[Ray Finkle]

He fumbles EVERY GAME and makes bone headed decisions ALL THE TIME. Yes he has a good arm but man Cutler is a whining BABY! I do NOT see a winner in that guy.

Funny, he has better stats then Rivers this year with an inferior team....but no, he blows....

[Jason in LA]

We've known for a while that Rivers is a punk. Whether he's winning or losing, he makes an ass of himself.

One question I have is why were members of the Broncos defense celebrating after they made big plays when they were getting blown out. It was pissing me off to see them give up play after play, and then when they finally made a good play they were acting like they were playing lights out defense. I was yelling at the TV for them to shut out and just make another good play. Sucks that they never followed up that good play with another one. But they surely acted like they did.

[sixtimeseight]

Whether it's the Browns or the Jaguars, I really hope whatever team destroys the Chargers in the wildcard round celebrates for a good 30-40 minutes after the game ends in the middle of the field. While Rivers sits on the sidelines, forced to hold his tongue and endure the humiliation because he knows that he earned it. Actually, I take that back. I just hope Rivers gets paralyzed for life and carried out in a helicopter.

[FrontRowSeat1]

Chargers in Playoffs last year and this year...we have not been in either year. And you say they talk smack?

[Los Broncos]

It was pretty classless along with their fans.

[lex]

Whatever. They beat a 6-9 team. Im more worried about the Broncos than the Chargers.

[houghtam]

We've known for a while that Rivers is a punk. Whether he's winning or losing, he makes an ass of himself.

One question I have is why were members of the Broncos defense celebrating after they made big plays when they were getting blown out. It was pissing me off to see them give up play after play, and then when they finally made a good play they were acting like they were playing lights out defense. I was yelling at the TV for them to shut out and just make another good play. Sucks that they never followed up that good play with another one. But they surely acted like they did.

Jason, I agree with entirely, but would like to add something...the play of the D yesterday was a microcosm of this entire season. Did anyone happen to notice how after every time a player was beaten for a catch, they'd turn to the refs and argue that it wasn't a catch, or that they pushed off, or whatever? STFU and DEFEND the F-ING receiver, and maybe you won't have to plead your case when the ball isn't caught!

It seems like a lot of the players and fans alike would like to blame this losing, waste of a season on something else (injuries, fluke plays, refs) when the answer is right in front of us. The team is heartless. Plain and simple. As classless as it was for the Bolts to gloat and make fun of the Broncos last night, they deserved it. You want to play like a man, you'll get treated like one. Until then, you're just whining to the refs about phantom calls and non-calls...and getting punched in the gut by every team in the league in the process.

The way I see it, the Broncos have two ways to go next year. They'll either bounce back and make the playoffs, or slip into a top 5 pick.

[Northman]

Jason, I agree with entirely, but would like to add something...the play of the D yesterday was a microcosm of this entire season. Did anyone happen to notice how after every time a player was beaten for a catch, they'd turn to the refs and argue that it wasn't a catch, or that they pushed off, or whatever? STFU and DEFEND the F-ING receiver, and maybe you won't have to plead your case when the ball isn't caught!

It seems like a lot of the players and fans alike would like to blame this losing, waste of a season on something else (injuries, fluke plays, refs) when the answer is right in front of us. The team is heartless. Plain and simple. As classless as it was for the Bolts to gloat and make fun of the Broncos last night, they deserved it. You want to play like a man, you'll get treated like one. Until then, you're just whining to the refs about phantom calls and non-calls...and getting punched in the gut by every team in the league in the process.

The way I see it, the Broncos have two ways to go next year. They'll either bounce back and make the playoffs, or slip into a top 5 pick.



Sorry, i have to call bull**** on this. Ive seen plenty of defenders from playoff bound teams whine and bitch about plays against them. Its not just the Broncos.

[Broncos4Life]

I hope these douche bag chargers are ready for this again.
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[XXXshogunXXX]

thats funny you have to show pics of other teams beating the Chargers. you have to dig up 2 years to find a pic of the broncos win over the Chargers.

heres a clip of Favre showing his Rivers impersonation.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/3301608671899746/koyfavrewhip/

[houghtam]

Sorry, i have to call bull**** on this. Ive seen plenty of defenders from playoff bound teams whine and b**** about plays against them. Its not just the Broncos.

Where did I say the Broncos were the only ones that did it? I think you missed the point. Let me reiterate. Instead of whining about every play where a wide open receiver makes a close catch along the sideline, why can't our DBs (Champ included, if you were watching last night) actually, you know, cover the wide receiver? Last I checked, it was the DBs responsibility to make sure the WR didn't get open, not to let him catch it and then lobby the refs along the sideline. If you watch the replay, you can clearly see Dre' Bly turning to the ref to complain before the receiver had actually been touched down. Is that what we're paying him, what...6.7 million for?

It's not ALL the D line, either. There were several plays last night, as well as countless throughout the entire season, where a QB takes a 5 step drop, fires, and hits a wide open receiver. Dre' Bly is a gambler, just like Deltha O'Neal was a gambler. But his general coverage skills seem more like that of George Coghill at times. We wouldn't pay millions for O'[Neal, why are we paying millions for Coghill? Lynch and Ferguson (and now recently Abdullah or insert-mediocre-FS-here) are not great at coverage. Champ can't do it all. The entire defense needs to be retooled, from top to bottom. If you factor in salaries, age, and skill, the only players I would like to see back next season on this defense are Dumervil, Williams, and Bailey. Everyone else can go.

[boltaneer]

thats funny you have to show pics of other teams beating the Chargers. you have to dig up 2 years to find a pic of the broncos win over the Chargers.

heres a clip of Favre showing his Rivers impersonation.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/3301608671899746/koyfavrewhip/

Heh heh. Nice find!

Football players talk **** to each other?! Who da thunk it?!

[theAPAOps5]

Thats some funny stuff. You know Brett Farve was yelling bring that whip dance down south. Me and a bunch of Wrangler wearing, tobacco chewin, good old boys will show you what we think of that dance.

That has to be the gayest dance by a QB ever. Oddly I have never seen that.

[Northman]

It's not ALL the D line, either.


Its any number of things but Dline is a MAJOR factor whether you can accept that or not. Not too mention a brand new defensive scheme YET again. And yes, we have gamblers at the CB position and it all adds too it. But again, even the corners on winning teams start whining about catches vs non catches. But in the end when the opposing Qb has all day to pick you apart than someone is going to get open. Throw in yet another FACT that since Manning's crying about the DB's a few years ago go it forced the league to enforce how DB's cover wide receivers.

[Northman]

Heh heh. Nice find!

Football players talk **** to each other?! Who da thunk it?!

Actually, in that video Detmer is no where seen talking smack to Favre and company. He was just doing a little dance. Favre on the other hand showed no class whatsoever in running to the Eagle sideline to act like an ass. So yes, he and Rivers were both classless in both of these circumstances.

[houghtam]

Seems like a lot of excuses, to me. If I was unable to perform my job in real life, and then blamed my performance on bad customers and poor weather, I wouldn't have a job in real life.

If you read the end of my post, Dumervil is the only one I'd keep on the D line. Never made any excuses for that, and I've always subscribed to the philosophy that you build from the LOS backward on both sides of the ball. But that does not absolve our secondary. It is a secondary made up of a future HOFer, a guy who gets beat more often then not when the ball actually comes his way, a has-been, and a bunch of never-will-be's. Our linebacking corps is made up of two real athletes playing the wrong positions: Williams obviously, and I've always thought Gold would've made a better safety than a LB; Webster is persona non grata at the LB position. Dumervil could truly be great if we had any talent on D line, but we don't. The closest thing we've got to talent is Engelberger, and then only because he's got a motor that doesn't quit. But then again, so did Oldsmobiles.

I also never said that players on winning teams never complain, nor do I like it when they do. Manning is one of the biggest whiners there is. But look back at Michael Jordan. How many times were fouls called when he was barely touched? When a player is a proven performer, it is obvious that calls are more likely to go his way. We all know this...it's a fact of professional sports. But if you're nowhere near the receiver that catches the ball, what right do you have to complain about a catch...especially while the play is still going on? STFU and play, I say. If the QB threads the ball into tight coverage and the receiver makes a questionable grab along the sidelines, by all means tell the ref what you thought...after the play is over. But if you're not even on the televison screen when the ball is caught...you've got no right to complain, IMO.

[boltaneer]

Actually, in that video Detmer is no where seen talking smack to Favre and company. He was just doing a little dance. Favre on the other hand showed no class whatsoever in running to the Eagle sideline to act like an ass. So yes, he and Rivers were both classless in both of these circumstances.

I agree. I'd like to see players just shut up and play the game.

But those types of players are hard to find these days.

[Northman]

I agree. I'd like to see players just shut up and play the game.

But those types of players are hard to find these days.


Agreed except for the most part players dont act like that. At the end of the day lets just hope that both Rivers and Cutler can learn from this and just learn to let their playing do the talking. I really dont understand why SD needed to get into it with Denver anyway. They have already sewn up the division and Denver wasnt going to win last night anyway. We were outmatched all year so it was kind of pointless on their part.

[Northman]

Seems like a lot of excuses, to me. If I was unable to perform my job in real life, and then blamed my performance on bad customers and poor weather, I wouldn't have a job in real life.

If you read the end of my post, Dumervil is the only one I'd keep on the D line. Never made any excuses for that, and I've always subscribed to the philosophy that you build from the LOS backward on both sides of the ball. But that does not absolve our secondary. It is a secondary made up of a future HOFer, a guy who gets beat more often then not when the ball actually comes his way, a has-been, and a bunch of never-will-be's. Our linebacking corps is made up of two real athletes playing the wrong positions: Williams obviously, and I've always thought Gold would've made a better safety than a LB; Webster is persona non grata at the LB position. Dumervil could truly be great if we had any talent on D line, but we don't. The closest thing we've got to talent is Engelberger, and then only because he's got a motor that doesn't quit. But then again, so did Oldsmobiles.

I also never said that players on winning teams never complain, nor do I like it when they do. Manning is one of the biggest whiners there is. But look back at Michael Jordan. How many times were fouls called when he was barely touched? When a player is a proven performer, it is obvious that calls are more likely to go his way. We all know this...it's a fact of professional sports. But if you're nowhere near the receiver that catches the ball, what right do you have to complain about a catch...especially while the play is still going on? STFU and play, I say. If the QB threads the ball into tight coverage and the receiver makes a questionable grab along the sidelines, by all means tell the ref what you thought...after the play is over. But if you're not even on the televison screen when the ball is caught...you've got no right to complain, IMO.


Yea, players need to STFU and play but still when you dont have the necessary talent at certain positions its going to create problems in other areas. Thats how it works in Football. When we were winning championships and division titles we were playing well and had talent in the right areas to get it done. It seems you and i both agree that there is some work that needs to be done on this team but you have to also understand that some of the players are going to get frustrated. Nobody likes having losing seasons and these players are starting to break from the pressure of just not being able to stop opposing offenses.

[houghtam]

They did the same damned thing last year. Anyone remember hearing the laughter when they scored that goal line TD?

Makes me sick to my stomach that I'm starting to hate SD and its come-out-of-the-woodwork-when-it's-convenient fans more than Oakland and its come-out-of-the-trailer-when-the-crapper-is-full fans.

[boltaneer]

Agreed except for the most part players dont act like that. At the end of the day lets just hope that both Rivers and Cutler can learn from this and just learn to let their playing do the talking. I really dont understand why SD needed to get into it with Denver anyway. They have already sewn up the division and Denver wasnt going to win last night anyway. We were outmatched all year so it was kind of pointless on their part.

There's a rumor floating around that Cutler dropped an N-bomb towards Shaun Phillips that led to that incident. We know that Rivers like to talk but Phillips and Wilhelm are normally very quiet and to see all three of them giving the business to Cutler at once was a bit peculiar.

But hopefully it's just a rumor and there's no truth to it. That's going to an ugly place if it's true.

[Merlin]

Heh heh. Nice find!

Football players talk **** to each other?! Who da thunk it?!
Huge difference. PR is an avg QB acting like he is the reason SD is in the playoffs (there are there despite his play). Favre (A HALL OF FAME QB) was RESPONDING to the idiotic act of some jerkoff opposing QB. Actually, I take it back, the video does have someone that is reminiscent of PR, and that would be the idiot QB that can at best be described as an avg QB. NICE FIND!

[Merlin]

There's a rumor floating around that Cutler dropped an N-bomb towards Shaun Phillips that led to that incident
That is just crap created by fans to justify behaviour they know is moronic (it's called cognitive dissonance). If there were any truth to that the media would have gotten hold of it long ago and crucified Cutler. Moreover, it is highly unlikely a person as smart as Cutler would resort to such behaviour considering some of the important players/leaders in his team.

[cutthemdown]

Teams in the AFC just got a look at how Chargers will act if they ever are winners. They will gloat and rub your face in it. For that reason look for whatever team that beats Chargers in playoffs to show no mercy in their celebration.

[cutthemdown]

There's a rumor floating around that Cutler dropped an N-bomb towards Shaun Phillips that led to that incident. We know that Rivers like to talk but Phillips and Wilhelm are normally very quiet and to see all three of them giving the business to Cutler at once was a bit peculiar.

But hopefully it's just a rumor and there's no truth to it. That's going to an ugly place if it's true.

Where did you hear this rumor?

[summerdenver]

That is just crap created by fans to justify behaviour they know is moronic (it's called cognitive dissonance). If there were any truth to that the media would have gotten hold of it long ago and crucified Cutler. Moreover, it is highly unlikely a person as smart as Cutler would resort to such behaviour considering some of the important players/leaders in his team.

This is a piece of crap. If i remember correctly Rivers was asked in press conf. what triggered his taunting and he said nothing really and he was just trying to support his team mates. If this were true why would he hide it?

IMO They are the dominant team now and they were showing the div rival who is the better team. They were taking cheap shots at cutler and rubbing his nose to show they are the team to beat in afc west. In nfl things change though and hopefully we will be a better team in 2/3 years span.

[Hogan11]

So, I actually violated my own rule and followed the link over to the Chargers board.....I was amazed and have to give kudos to a couple of posters over there who actually get it...

Anyone who supports this is classless.

You know that it's classless. If Tom Brady kills us in the playoffs and does the same thing to us, you would want his blood.

It's wrong when they do it, it's wrong when we do it. Act like grown-ups, for baby Jesus's sake. Rivers hasn't accomplished anything (like a playoff win) to earn such lofty status.

However, I didnt realize that being juvenile had anything to do with football either. Maybe im just too old to understand that people being paid millions of dollars are supposed to be professional...silly me.

[Blueflame]

Too bad those posters didn't come to visit the Mane instead of the immature, trashtalking asshat segment of the Boltz fanbase who did show up en masse after the game was over.

[Northman]

There's a rumor floating around that Cutler dropped an N-bomb towards Shaun Phillips that led to that incident. We know that Rivers like to talk but Phillips and Wilhelm are normally very quiet and to see all three of them giving the business to Cutler at once was a bit peculiar.

But hopefully it's just a rumor and there's no truth to it. That's going to an ugly place if it's true.


Maybe but i highly doubt it. The thing is when Shaun Phillips did his player introductions he started going off on how they were going to dominate the Broncos in the evening so im pretty sure he and Wilhelm came into the game fired up as it is. same with a lot of players on the defensive side of the ball. I just cant see something like that in Jay's nature. But until i see a little more proof it seems like a stretch to me. If he did, than your right it will go into a ugly place.

[Hogan11]

They shouldn't allow players to do player introductions, wayy too much bullshat, then again, it was ESPN and they live for that kind of thing, so there ya go.

[Northman]

So, I actually violated my own rule and followed the link over to the Chargers board.....I was amazed and have to give kudos to a couple of posters over there who actually get it...

Yea, i was really impressed with a majority of the posters over there. Aside from a couple who frequent here why cant we get some of those guys and gals here? We always seem to get the rejects and trolls for some reason. Ha!

[lex]

This is a piece of crap. If i remember correctly Rivers was asked in press conf. what triggered his taunting and he said nothing really and he was just trying to support his team mates. If this were true why would he hide it?

IMO They are the dominant team now and they were showing the div rival who is the better team. They were taking cheap shots at cutler and rubbing his nose to show they are the team to beat in afc west. In nfl things change though and hopefully we will be a better team in 2/3 years span.

I think Rivers doesnt have the hardware Cutler does and he knows it so theres insecurity right there. Cutler gets a lot more praise whereas Rivers gets more criticism. Someone needs to tell Rivers though that his team has better personnel, he has 2 years on Cutler, and Rivers needs to play well more than two games a year...playing well against Denver isnt really showing anyone up.

[Hogan11]

Yea, i was really impressed with a majority of the posters over there. Aside from a couple who frequent here why cant we get some of those guys and gals here? We always seem to get the rejects and trolls for some reason. Ha!

I was honestly very surprised, but it's still not enough to make me go back there again. I'm just not into other teams message boards.

[lex]

thats funny you have to show pics of other teams beating the Chargers. you have to dig up 2 years to find a pic of the broncos win over the Chargers.

heres a clip of Favre showing his Rivers impersonation.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/3301608671899746/koyfavrewhip/

Yeah, and you know whats sad, two years ago when Denver swept San Diego, San Diego had the better personnel, including a better QB. With all the talent youve accumulated, you should have good personnel. Though Im sure some would like to think they were being shrewd, you could also call it being bad for a long time.

[Bronco X]

There's a rumor floating around that Cutler dropped an N-bomb towards Shaun Phillips that led to that incident. We know that Rivers like to talk but Phillips and Wilhelm are normally very quiet and to see all three of them giving the business to Cutler at once was a bit peculiar.

But hopefully it's just a rumor and there's no truth to it. That's going to an ugly place if it's true.

If there was any merit to that, it wouldn't be a floating rumor, it would be a raging fire by now. I have zero doubt that it was invented by a Charger fan looking to bring a friendly context to their favorite players actions last night...

[Broncos4Life]

thats funny you have to show pics of other teams beating the Chargers. you have to dig up 2 years to find a pic of the broncos win over the Chargers.

heres a clip of Favre showing his Rivers impersonation.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/3301608671899746/koyfavrewhip/

Whats funny is that all those pics are of the Pats whooping your asses and it will happen again if the dolts by some chance make it past the 1st round. and by the way you can go ahead and dig up decades and decades of charger ass kicking by the Broncs beyond those 2 years. 52-43-1.
I bet most of your lifetime your expectations were just hoping those dolts finished in second place.

Real class by a class org. :thumbsup:
that Favre thing was not a classless act as an average qb was getting a little overexcited. he threw it right back in his face. I did not see the Broncos acting obnoxious during last nights game.

[Inkana7]

I think Rivers doesnt have the hardware Cutler does and he knows it so theres insecurity right there. Cutler gets a lot more praise whereas Rivers gets more criticism. Someone needs to tell Rivers though that his team has better personnel, he has 2 years on Cutler, and Rivers needs to play well more than two games a year...playing well against Denver isnt really showing anyone up.

Technically, Josh McCown was more impressive than Philip "Gay Schoolboy Haircut" Rivers against us. :clown:

[Blueflame]

There's a rumor floating around that Cutler dropped an N-bomb towards Shaun Phillips that led to that incident. We know that Rivers like to talk but Phillips and Wilhelm are normally very quiet and to see all three of them giving the business to Cutler at once was a bit peculiar.

But hopefully it's just a rumor and there's no truth to it. That's going to an ugly place if it's true.

Unless you can provide a source and a link it's probably not the wisest course to spread an unfounded rumor like that. I'm thinking if something like that had actually occurred, it would have been reported... and as more than just rumor... long before now.

[ZachKC]

This thread is getting a bit out of hand. I think you folks have a pretty distorted view of the amount of respect the average football fan has for Cutler outside of Bronco land.

Thats not even a knock on Cutler.

[richpjr]

Reading the San Diego papers this morning, it appears that the Chargers really, really got fired up by Marshall's comments and were out to prove him wrong.

I think there is way too much made of this. But I also wish players would just shut up and play. It's okay to be fired up and excited when you make a good play but the pre-canned celebrations, trash talking and especially the taunting just take a lot of entertainment away from the game. Cutler has no business yapping at the Charger sidelines, especially with the score of the game. Rivers should have just congratulated the defensive players as they came off the field and kept his mouth shut. But that's just me.

[Inkana7]

This thread is getting a bit out of hand. I think you folks have a pretty distorted view of the amount of respect the average football fan has for Cutler outside of Bronco land.

Thats not even a knock on Cutler.

If you were a Giants or a Cardnials fan, this might be true. But divison rivals always think completely opposite on QBs. For example, I think Cutler is quite good and Rivers is a steamy pile of dog ****, as both a player and a human being. Chargers fans might think the very opposite.

How do you meter the average amount of respect people give Cutler? Hang out on many NFC teams' message boards, Zach?

[Northman]

Reading the San Diego papers this morning, it appears that the Chargers really, really got fired up by Marshall's comments and were out to prove him wrong.

I think there is way too much made of this. But I also wish players would just shut up and play. It's okay to be fired up and excited when you make a good play but the pre-canned celebrations, trash talking and especially the taunting just take a lot of entertainment away from the game. Cutler has no business yapping at the Charger sidelines, especially with the score of the game. Rivers should have just congratulated the defensive players as they came off the field and kept his mouth shut. But that's just me.


Oh trust me, its not just you.

[lex]

This thread is getting a bit out of hand. I think you folks have a pretty distorted view of the amount of respect the average football fan has for Cutler outside of Bronco land.

Thats not even a knock on Cutler.

Why, how do they view Cutler in the Ozarks where you live? BTW, several people that post here including me dont live in Colorado. I actually have a very good sense of what others say about him outside of the west.

And so here we are onces again, me proving you wrong just like in the thread where we were discussing why the networks show the games they do.

[ZachKC]

If you were a Giants or a Cardnials fan, this might be true. But divison rivals always think completely opposite on QBs. For example, I think Cutler is quite good and Rivers is a steamy pile of dog ****, as both a player and a human being. Chargers fans might think the very opposite.

How do you meter the average amount of respect people give Cutler? Hang out on many NFC teams' message boards, Zach?

I think Cutler's a great QB.

But reading some of this stuff is pretty good...

I think Rivers doesnt have the hardware Cutler does and he knows it so theres insecurity right there.

The idea the any QB is sitting around jealous of Cutler. Who really hasn't done anything. Is that all his fault, not at all. Like I said...I think he is a good QB but he has played well for how young he has. He hasn't really at many points played "great".

Besides alot of the Charger posts haven't been all that ridiculous. There are a lot of mixed feelings about the Chargers acted...I don't think a lot of them condone it. It just seems like there is a lot of faux outrage over the kind of thing Denver has done in the past. Like that whole thing with Plummer flipping off the fans? But that got an excuse because he is so passionate...and so competitive and lah de dah. Then you saw on this board a lot of people pissed about it and a lot of people that didn't condone it. Just seems to be the shoe is on the other foot and now everyone is crying foul.

[ZachKC]

Why, how do they view Cutler in the Ozarks where you live? BTW, several people that post here including me dont live in Colorado. I actually have a very good sense of what others say about him outside of the west.

And so here we are onces again, me proving you wrong just like in the thread where we were discussing why the networks show the games they do.
Yea, you got me there. The Patriots game, you know...the one people wanted to watch? Was still on TV.

Heh, you make the game and declare yourself the winner everytime. Just like a woman. You will make someone a great wife someday.

A legend in your own mind. :rofl:

While most Bronco fans seem to see the new hold standard in young gun slinging QB's the rest of the sports world sees a young good QB that has a lot of potential but gives away the ball a lot and has what seems to be a bright future. They realize he hasn't really done anything...

[lex]

I think Cutler's a great QB.

But reading some of this stuff is pretty good...



The idea the any QB is sitting around jealous of Cutler. Who really hasn't done anything. Is that all his fault, not at all. Like I said...I think he is a good QB but he has played well for how young he has. He hasn't really at many points played "great".

Besides alot of the Charger posts haven't been all that ridiculous. There are a lot of mixed feelings about the Chargers acted...I don't think a lot of them condone it. It just seems like there is a lot of faux outrage over the kind of thing Denver has done in the past. Like that whole thing with Plummer flipping off the fans? But that got an excuse because he is so passionate...and so competitive and lah de dah. Then you saw on this board a lot of people pissed about it and a lot of people that didn't condone it. Just seems to be the shoe is on the other foot and now everyone is crying foul.



We grew up watching Elway. Who did you grow up watching? How can we really be sure that you even know what great is?

And thats rich that you try to deny Rivers case of Cutler envy. If theres anyone who can empathize with Rivers its you. You put your Cutler envy on full display here every week. Youre obsessed, dude. Really. Here in Chicago, people have often raved about Cutler. Ive even heard people complain that they wish they had Cutler. Not once have I heard anyone here rave about Rivers...or Croyle for that matter.

[ZachKC]

We grew up watching Elway. Who did you grow up watching? How can we really be sure that you even know what great is?

And thats rich that you try to deny Rivers case of Cutler envy. If theres anyone who can empathize with Rivers its you. You put your Cutler envy on full display here every week. Youre obsessed, dude. Really. Here in Chicago, people have often raved about Cutler. Ive even heard people complain that they wish they had Cutler. Not once have I heard anyone here rave about Rivers...or Croyle for that matter.
To be fair, for a while a grew up watching Joe Montana. Not important though.

Lets say we get some people together to put an empirical qualifier on the word "great" when you apply it to the QB.

I would bet my life "a playoff win" would be part of the deal. Do you disagree?

But but people in Chicago say this...case closed/lex
:rofl: I guess I will just have to trust you.

[lex]

[QUOTE]Yea, you got me there. The Patriots game, you know...the one people wanted to watch? Was still on TV.

Heh, you make the game and declare yourself the winner everytime. Just like a woman. You will make someone a great wife someday.

Youre the one who lives in dueling banjo country. Ill leave that to you. But at any rate, you obviously have a simplified perception of the different moving pieces when it comes to what gets put on TV and why. You should really just be thanking me for helping you wrap your mind around it.

A legend in your own mind. :rofl:

Picking on you is easy...hardly worthy of legend status. If your going to be flip like that though, Ill gladly follow up with your various posts just to make you look bad even further.

While most Bronco fans seem to see the new hold standard in young gun slinging QB's the rest of the sports world sees a young good QB that has a lot of potential but gives away the ball a lot and has what seems to be a bright future. They realize he hasn't really done anything...

And by "rest of the world" you mean KC, no doubt. Kansas City, home of the Chiefs fan. Wow. Just think about how much sense that makes. KC is a whole city obsessed with Denver. And the reason is that we can ask a question thats both poignant and painful to Chiefs fans: Do you remember that year when Kansas City won the Super Bowl?" Practically every Denver fan can remember what its like to win a Super Bowl. And what makes it exceedingly painful to the mullet heads is that we went through Kansas City to do it...and that still hurts to this day....and as a result their existence has become one that is obsessed with trying to minimize anything they hear about Denver. They do it now because theyve been doing it for so long...its called coping.

[boltaneer]

Maybe but i highly doubt it. The thing is when Shaun Phillips did his player introductions he started going off on how they were going to dominate the Broncos in the evening so im pretty sure he and Wilhelm came into the game fired up as it is. same with a lot of players on the defensive side of the ball. I just cant see something like that in Jay's nature. But until i see a little more proof it seems like a stretch to me. If he did, than your right it will go into a ugly place.

I agree with most on here that this rumor would probably be a big story by now if it was true.

I think the trash talking by Bailey and Marshall were more likely the triggers that got the Chargers so fired up yesterday.

For the blame Rivers gets for his behavior, I think people need to be fair and spread it around to Bailey and Marshall for their pre-game trash talking as well.

[ZachKC]

Not surprising at all. Not a single word about Cutler or the actual topic we were talking about.

You just grasping at nothing right now.

But of course I just live in Kansas City. All we have is the local paper the pah gets at the drug store for a nickel.

If only there was...

Some kind of technology that let me see what people from other places thought. With pictures! Yes that is it I could see pictures in a box from waaay outside of Kansas City.

Or maybe...just maybe I could read and write things in some kind of connected system where fans and media alike could talk about their opinions on all kinds of things.

Maybe someday...

Someday I will be able to learn about this big world outside of my little farming community.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

[lex]

To be fair, for a while a grew up watching Joe Montana. Not important though.

Lets say we get some people together to put an empirical qualifier on the word "great" when you apply it to the QB.

I would bet my life "a playoff win" would be part of the deal. Do you disagree?

But but people in Chicago say this...case closed/lex
:rofl: I guess I will just have to trust you.

Just because you quit grade school after two years to help your unle bubba catch possum, that doesnt mean you "grew up" watching Joe Montana. He was only there like 2 or 3 years.

Youre the one who used the word great. What I said was that people in Chicago are impressed with Cutler. I cant remember the word great specifically being used. But, in any case, people Ive worked with and on tv really havent said much about Carlyle or Rivers. But in the run up to the Broncos game, people were bracing themselves for Cutler. The comments were along the lines of, "how does a team that had Elway now have Cutler when we're stuck with Grossman."

[lex]

Not surprising at all. Not a single word about Cutler or the actual topic we were talking about.

You just grasping at nothing right now.

But of course I just live in Kansas City. All we have is the local paper the pah gets at the drug store for a nickel.

If only there was...

Some kind of technology that let me see what people from other places thought. With pictures! Yes that is it I could see pictures in a box from waaay outside of Kansas City.

Or maybe...just maybe I could read and write things in some kind of connected system where fans and media alike could talk about their opinions on all kinds of things.

Maybe someday...

Someday I will be able to learn about this big world outside of my little farming community.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

It all goes back to what Ive bolded. Youre a pathetic Chiefs fan who has had to cope with being Charlie Browned by Denver so many times and for so long and your Cutler obsession is an extension of that.

[ZachKC]

Just because you quit grade school after two years to help your unle bubba catch possum, that doesnt mean you "grew up" watching Joe Montana. He was only there like 2 or 3 years.

Youre the one who used the word great. What I said was that people in Chicago are impressed with Cutler. I cant remember the word great specifically being used. But, in any case, people Ive worked with and on tv really havent said much about Carlyle or Rivers. But in the run up to the Broncos game, people were bracing themselves for Cutler. The comments were along the lines of, "how does a team that had Elway now have Cutler when we're stuck with Grossman."

Well I guess we will have to take your word for it.

I mean, I know us country folk are new to the internet but it wouldn't be too hard to dream up a conversation that nobody knows or saw claiming me to be right.

It is interesting. I spent the weekend in Seattle...they said they heard Cutler doesn't sleep. He just waits.

Seriously...you just have to trust me.

[lex]

I agree with most on here that this rumor would probably be a big story by now if it was true.

I think the trash talking by Bailey and Marshall were more likely the triggers that got the Chargers so fired up yesterday.

For the blame Rivers gets for his behavior, I think people need to be fair and spread it around to Bailey and Marshall for their pre-game trash talking as well.

Why, because he said Rivers talks too much? Which is kind of ironic. He accomplished nothing last night but prove Champ right.

[ZachKC]

It all goes back to what Ive bolded. Youre a pathetic Chiefs fan who has had to cope with being Charlie Browned by Denver so many times and for so long and your Cutler obsession is an extension of that.
Another post taking the attention away from all of your takes being based on conversations only you had and probably made up. If I was you I wouldn't want to talk about what we were actually discussing either.

I would go lex style...deflect deflect.

[ZachKC]

Meanwhile the country can't stop talking about the Patriots. Everyone got to see them extend their unbeaten streak and they are pretty excited about the idea of it. Love em or hate em. People love to watch them on national television.

[Sassy]

Ugh...Patriots.

[lex]

Well I guess we will have to take your word for it.

I mean, I know us country folk are new to the internet but it wouldn't be too hard to dream up a conversation that nobody knows or saw claiming me to be right.

It is interesting. I spent the weekend in Seattle...they said they heard Cutler doesn't sleep. He just waits.

Seriously...you just have to trust me.

Yeah, I guess you will have to take my word for it. And make fun all you want. The jokes on you. In a year when we were at an all time worst, we still swept Kansas City. Thats must really suck. It probably sucks bad enough to make lame sarcastic jokes. But you should really stop using sarcasm as a crutch. Its kind of played.

[ZachKC]

Ugh...Patriots.

Did you watch them on the nationally televised game the other day?

[lex]

Another post taking the attention away from all of your takes being based on conversations only you had and probably made up. If I was you I wouldn't want to talk about what we were actually discussing either.

I would go lex style...deflect deflect.

"If you were me...?" If you were me, youd be talking down to you because you could.

[Sassy]

Did you watch them on the nationally televised game the other day?

Nope. But they've been on about six weeks in a row on my tv.

[ZachKC]

Nope. But they've been on about six weeks in a row on my tv.

I know, its frustrating. People do love winners though.

[lex]

Meanwhile the country can't stop talking about the Patriots. Everyone got to see them extend their unbeaten streak and they are pretty excited about the idea of it. Love em or hate em. People love to watch them on national television.

No, youre mistaking "the entire country" with the east coast media. I dont even watch E!SPN anymore. Its a regional network trying to pretend to be a national network. Same with baseball. Im better off, listening to the local programming on Comcast. They dont OD on the Patriots here. You have to look to the national (ie the east coast media) for that.

[Hogan11]

Did you watch them on the nationally televised game the other day?

Kinda hard not to when it's the only game in that time slot you get....and the network refuses to cut away to another game even when the score gets out of hand.

At least the NFL Network saves me from them this week....only good thing I can say about the NFL Network this season

[lex]

I know, its frustrating. People do love winners though.

No idiot. Its about what the advertisers want. Theyd rather have a wider region watching the same game even at the expense of some viewers. I broke it down for you and everything. I guess you didnt understand. I see its impreceptible to you...youre still locked on the "give the people what they want" belief.

[ZachKC]

Kinda hard not to when it's the only game in that time slot you get....and the network refuses to cut away to another game even when the score gets out of hand.

What time are they on this week? Oh it's the SNF game, whadda surprise ::)
I am keeping the shot I called weeks and weeks ago. The Jags represent the AFC in the Superbowl.

http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/images/Img1867.jpg

[ZachKC]

No idiot. Its about what the advertisers want. Theyd rather have a wider region watching the same game even at the expense of some viewers. I broke it down for you and everything. I guess you didnt understand. I see its impreceptible to you...youre still locked on the "give the people what they want" belief.

Not locked in what people want.

Just locked on what its obvious their eyes will be in when the ads roll out...

[Hogan11]

I am keeping the shot I called weeks and weeks ago. The Jags represent the AFC in the Superbowl.

http://www.sports-logos-screensavers.com/images/Img1867.jpg

I really don't care if they go undefeated or not...I was little when the Phins did it and it made absolutely no impression on me whatsoever, same goes for the Pats this time.

You caught my post before the correction....it turns out it's on the NFL Network, so 75% of the USA won't see it happen Awwwwww, my heart just bleeds over it.

[Blueflame]

Kinda hard not to when it's the only game in that time slot you get....and the network refuses to cut away to another game even when the score gets out of hand.

At least the NFL Network saves me from them this week....only good thing I can say about the NFL Network this season

We get the NFL Network... but just might have more enjoyable things to do on a Saturday night than to watch the Giants and Pats. Yawn....

[ZachKC]

I really don't care if they go undefeated or not...I was little when the Phins did it and it made absolutely no impression on me whatsoever, same goes for the Pats this time.

You caught my post before the correction....it turns out it's on the NFL Network, so 75% of the USA won't see it happen Awwwwww, my heart just bleeds over it.
I don't root for them...but I don't dislike them. I think they go out as a team. Take care of business and play great football. It is hard to hate that. I think it would be really incredible for a team these days to go undefeated. But...there is a lot of football to play and the line between winning and losing is quite small. The playoffs should be fun to watch this year.

[lex]

Not locked in what people want.

Just locked on what its obvious their eyes will be in when the ads roll out...


Youre retarded. I could say it one way or I could say it a thousand ways and you still wouldnt understand.

And its not obvious. Just look at the small sample in this thread. Sassy said she didnt watch the game and Hogan said he didnt want to watch the game but did. Your whole premise is that they show it because thats what people want. Its a bunch of crap. If anything, it dispells your theory.

[ZachKC]

I think Washington\Dallas would be a fun game to watch. Gotta root for the Blue Springs guys that play on the Redskins. Especially Betts. Dude was a beast growing up around here.

[wabbit]

Another post taking the attention away from all of your takes being based on conversations only you had and probably made up. If I was you I wouldn't want to talk about what we were actually discussing either.

I would go lex style...deflect deflect.

Speaking of making up...'I grew up a while with Joe Montana'...what a line of crap.

What, you were an especially mature little fat kid of 8 or 9 who reached full maturity after Joe tossed a couple of footballs and beat feet out of town??

Last time the Chiefys won a play-off game you were singin' soprano, boy. Your biggest worry was when the voice would change and balls would drop.

Grew up for a while with Joe Montana...criminey, boy, you do go out of your way to look like an idiot, don't you??

[ZachKC]

Youre retarded. I could say it one way or I could say it a thousand ways and you still wouldnt understand.

And its not obvious. Just look at the small sample in this thread. Sassy said she didnt watch the game and Hogan said he didnt want to watch the game but did. Your whole premise is that they show it because thats what people want. Its a bunch of crap. If anything, it dispells your theory.
I could say anything about that whole deal right now. The case was closed before it even got open. Even if I said they put it on because dachshund puppies loved it. The Patriots game was the one that was nationally televised. $ $ $ Talk about someone being obsessed about something.

You are starting to be my favorite poster. Please, don't ever change.

[Blueflame]

I think Washington\Dallas would be a fun game to watch. Gotta root for the Blue Springs guys that play on the Redskins. Especially Betts. Dude was a beast growing up around here.

I don't like either one of those teams and wouldn't give one iota of a damn which one won.... :P

[Boltjolt]

http://forums.chargers.com/showthread.php?t=50596


Pretty funny stuff. I only read the first page and it had fans all over the place. Some loved it, some thought it was tasteless, and one guy even commented that Rivers was too scared so he said it far away. :rofl:


Dude, that forum is THE WORST Charger forum out there.

The best ones are http://www.bolttalk.net/forums/

http://forum.signonsandiego.com/upload/forumdisplay.php?&forumid=9 and http://www.thenflforum.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=56



Cutler is the guy that runs his mouth every week. Check your own young QB before you throw trash at ours. Cutler was running his mouth while they were getting their butts kicked. This is per Shaub Phillips on sirius radio today.

[ZachKC]

Speaking of making up...'I grew up a while with Joe Montana'...what a line of crap.

What, you were an especially mature little fat kid of 8 or 9 who reached full maturity after Joe tossed a couple of footballs and beat feet out of town??

Last time the Chiefys won a play-off game you were singin' soprano, boy. Your biggest worry was when the voice would change and balls would drop.

Grew up for a while with Joe Montana...criminey, boy, you do go out of your way to look like an idiot, don't you??

I was in Houston for that game. Remember it quite well. Went to the 1st and 2nd round games. Family has had season tickets for as long as I can remember. Had a blast doing the traveling with my old man. Keith Cash in the endzone...the fight on the sideline with Buddy Ryan...

Not getting it done in the AFC Title game against the Bills...Grew up watching it all.

Enjoy Christmas with your ex-wife?

[lex]

I could say anything about that whole deal right now. The case was closed before it even got open. Even if I said they put it on because dachshund puppies loved it. The Patriots game was the one that was nationally televised. $ $ $ Talk about someone being obsessed about something.

You are starting to be my favorite poster. Please, don't ever change.


I tried to help you understand.

[ZachKC]

That Chicago game didn't really end up being close. Surprisingly enough.

[wabbit]

I was in Houston for that game. Remember it quite well. Went to the 1st and 2nd round games. Family has had season tickets for as long as I can remember. Had a blast doing the traveling with my old man.

Point is, the discussion context was greatness. You hurled around the "I watched Joe Montana...I know what greatness is" bull**** like a mace.

You were a child...the 'greatest' thing in your life was the thank you note from Santa for the cookies.

Don't try and lay that crap on a poster that doesn't know your schtick.

The only great thing a Kansas City fan would know is what bar-b-que sauce doesn't harden to a solid without stirring.

[ZachKC]

Point is, the discussion context was greatness. You hurled around the "I watched Joe Montana...I know what greatness is" bull**** like a mace.

You were a child...the 'greatest' thing in your life was the thank you note from Santa for the cookies.

Don't try and lay that crap on a poster that doesn't know your schtick.

The only great thing a Kansas City fan would know is what bar-b-que sauce doesn't harden to a solid without stirring.

I really wasn't that bold with it...I even said it wasn't important. I know you love taking jabs at me but this one was kind of funny.

Lex said "who did you grow up I grew up with Elway" as if there wasn't anyone worth watching during my days as a Chiefs fan. Even though one of the best QBs in the history of the game was under center. Not a big deal in the first place though, it had little to do with discussion.

No wonder you are single. You are stubborn.

I was young but those were fun days...a week after an exciting last play playoff win. The Chiefs have had some ups and a **** load of downs but I can only hope some of you folks had had some of the joys I have had covering your favorite teams with friends and family. I will never forget some of those games. Much better than cookies.

[Florida_Bronco]

I really wasn't that bold with it...I even said it wasn't important. I know you love taking jabs at me but this one was kind of funny.

Lex said "who did you grow up I grew up with Elway" as if there wasn't anyone worth watching during my days as a Chiefs fan. Even though one of the best QBs in the history of the game was under center. Not a big deal in the first place though, it had little to do with discussion.

No wonder you are single. You are stubborn.

I was young but those were fun days...a week after an exciting last play playoff win. The Chiefs have had some ups and a **** load of downs but I can only hope some of you folks had had some of the joys I have had covering your favorite teams with friends and family. I will never forget some of those games. Much better than cookies.

Celebrating winning season and Super Bowl victories with family and friends is much better than celebrating losses and mediocrity with family and friends.

But then again you are a Chiefs fan under the age of 35, you wouldn't know what a Super Bowl victory felt like. ;)

[CHANGSTER]

I have to say if it were my qb I would be pissed, that crap just leads to bad karma.

Ask yourself this Charger fans, when was the last time you saw an extremely cocky classless display on the field?
The Patriot win over the Chargers last season. What happened next?
They lost to a team that no one thought they would lose to. Also a team that they owned regularly.

And don't say well I heard from my cousins nephews best friend that Cutler was being mean too. The Broncos aren't the team still playing for something.

[CHANGSTER]

Btw, the general view of the Charger fans I know was split between the older and newer fans. The older fans that actually remember the Chargers history were rightfully pissed. The newer fans liked it, I guess cause they're so new to the sport or they're just ex raider fans.

[elsid13]

If Rivers wants to talk **** that fine, but he needs to remember that there are old school guys like Rodney Harrison that like to punish folks for doing that. And the other thing he needs to keep in mind that the cycle change real fast in NFL and someday he will be team that doesn't have as much talent and then big dogs will remember him yapping.

[defenseman]

If Rivers wants to talk **** that fine, but he needs to remember that there are old school guys like Rodney Harrison that like to punish folks for doing that. And the other thing he needs to keep in mind that the cycle change real fast in NFL and someday he will be team that doesn't have as much talent and then big dogs will remember him yapping.

I honestly was hoping the chargers, since they are the AFC west representative to the playoffs, would find a way to beat the patriots and send Bellicheat and Wussboy Brady home for the season. Well, Rivers has changed my mind. I'm hoping someone in the playoffs manages to crucify him to a nice large national audience, exposing him for what he really is, a classless a$$.......dman

[Inkana7]

Dude, that forum is THE WORST Charger forum out there.

The best ones are http://www.bolttalk.net/forums/

http://forum.signonsandiego.com/upload/forumdisplay.php?&forumid=9 and http://www.thenflforum.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=56



Cutler is the guy that runs his mouth every week. Check your own young QB before you throw trash at ours. Cutler was running his mouth while they were getting their butts kicked. This is per Shaub Phillips on sirius radio today.

I have never seen Cutler run his mouth in a game ever. Maybe he was then, but if you ask me, ShaubPhilips is full of crap, and just trying to explain away his behavior.

Cutler just doesn't talk.

[400HZ]

I have never seen Cutler run his mouth in a game ever. Maybe he was then, but if you ask me, ShaubPhilips is full of crap, and just trying to explain away his behavior.

Cutler just doesn't talk.

Well I assume that he doesn't usually scream at his coaches or throw his helmet around either, but he was doing it on Monday night. Come on man, get real here. You can see Cutler jawing with Phillips and Wilhelm as they walk off the field.

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Don't act like Cutler or the Broncos are just innocent bystanders in all of this. I was pretty sympathetic to your guys' opinions through most of this, but the feux outrage here is getting ridiculous. So some Charger players were talking ****? Champ and Marshall were talking **** before the game, in the media. John Lynch ripped off LT's helmet and threw it before anything between Cutler and Rivers transpired. Cutler was clearly saying something to Phillips and Wilhelm as they walked off the field. It's all true! You guys need to move past trying to turn your poor little players into the unjust victims here. If THEY would have kept their mouths shut during the game and leading into the game, none of this would have happened. Your game of trying to pin everything that happened on big bad Phillip Rivers is worthless because none of you will own up to what your own players did.

[BreesLightning]

Well I assume that he doesn't usually scream at his coaches or throw his helmet around either, but he was doing it on Monday night. Come on man, get real here. You can see Cutler jawing with Phillips and Wilhelm as they walk off the field.

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Don't act like Cutler or the Broncos are just innocent bystanders in all of this. I was pretty sympathetic to your guys' opinions through most of this, but the feux outrage here is getting ridiculous. So some Charger players were talking ****? Champ and Marshall were talking **** before the game, in the media. John Lynch ripped off LT's helmet and threw it before anything between Cutler and Rivers transpired. Cutler was clearly saying something to Phillips and Wilhelm as they walked off the field. It's all true! You guys need to move past trying to turn your poor little players into the unjust victims here. If THEY would have kept their mouths shut during the game and leading into the game, none of this would have happened. Your game of trying to pin everything that happened on big bad Phillip Rivers is worthless because none of you will own up to what your own players did.

Yup, and if you look closely at the very beginning of that video Sean Phillip's back is facing Cutler while Cutler is mouthing off and he actually has to turn to respond. That's when Rivers gets involved.

[BreesLightning]

Also, you see Denver's offensive lineman look directly at Cutler while he's mouthing off and just walk away. Obviously he new what was going on or he would have stood up for his teammate just like River's was doing.

Can you say cancer?

[Smiling Assassin27]

You'd be hard pressed to find an OL on the Broncos that cares about anything at this point. Cutler lost his cool and embarrassed himself and his team on Monday. I could care less about the Chargers, as they are just another NFL franchise who never wins in the grand scheme of things, but when our guys do things to embarrass this franchise, they've got to be called on the carpet. The way you dispatch whiny rivals is by kicking them in the gut and taking their lunch money, not by posing and telling them how good you are. Shanahan had better get control of his qb or he'll have another Brian Griese in his future. Cutler's still a boy emotionally.

[elsid13]

Also, you see Denver's offensive lineman look directly at Cutler while he's mouthing off and just walk away. Obviously he new what was going on or he would have stood up for his teammate just like River's was doing.

Can you say cancer?

Stop making things up. Really stop before you look more foolish. If you go search the thread on the board you will get some good insider information (like from the fathers of two of the starting linemen) that Culter is leader on team and well liked by all his teammates.

The good thing about the incidents is that the teams are starting to really hate each other, which means a good rivalry for the fan bases.

[Inkana7]

Also, you see Denver's offensive lineman look directly at Cutler while he's mouthing off and just walk away. Obviously he new what was going on or he would have stood up for his teammate just like River's was doing.

Can you say cancer?

lol ur rly funy

[Inkana7]

So, I was just talking to my friend on AIM, an Oakland fan. Here is what he had to say:

oaklndraidrfan22: I came in at the 2 minute warning and if I were a ref, there would've been like 30 late hit calls on the Chuggers

Even complete outsiders saw it. But: "zomg cutlar is teh babi!!!! C4nc3r!!!!!!", right?

[BreesLightning]

Yeah, who am suppose to believe, some random Raider fan or actual video footage. Uhmmm I think I'll go with the video, thank you.

Resorting to trusting raider fans now are we?.... Hilarious. ROFL!

[sirhcyennek81]

He fumbles EVERY GAME and makes bone headed decisions ALL THE TIME. Yes he has a good arm but man Cutler is a whining BABY! I do NOT see a winner in that guy.


Dumbass.


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

I am NOT saying Rivers is great. I am saying that Cutler is NOT what everyone is making him out to be. He is SOFT and so is Scheff your TE. Instead of playing they beg for the refs to bail them out.

Sure. Linebackers physically moving you off your route after 5 yards is NOT pass interference...Sheff should just sack up...


:Broncos:

[boltaneer]

Well I assume that he doesn't usually scream at his coaches or throw his helmet around either, but he was doing it on Monday night. Come on man, get real here. You can see Cutler jawing with Phillips and Wilhelm as they walk off the field.

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Don't act like Cutler or the Broncos are just innocent bystanders in all of this. I was pretty sympathetic to your guys' opinions through most of this, but the feux outrage here is getting ridiculous. So some Charger players were talking ****? Champ and Marshall were talking **** before the game, in the media. John Lynch ripped off LT's helmet and threw it before anything between Cutler and Rivers transpired. Cutler was clearly saying something to Phillips and Wilhelm as they walked off the field. It's all true! You guys need to move past trying to turn your poor little players into the unjust victims here. If THEY would have kept their mouths shut during the game and leading into the game, none of this would have happened. Your game of trying to pin everything that happened on big bad Phillip Rivers is worthless because none of you will own up to what your own players did.

ESPN was playing up the trash talking angle before the game with the Bailey comments. You know they were dying to catch a moment like this on camera and to be able to talk about it in a midst of a blowout to at least add some compelling drama to the broadcast.

Fans are almost always the ones to take things like this personally. This whole Cutler-Rivers exchange is the hot topic on this board but no one is talking about it in the local or national media. The players aren't talking about it. Rivers was even asked about it after the game and he said it was nothing but just your regular chatter during a game.

[broncofan2438]

I say the fans just fight it out. I heard there were a lot of fights in the stands this year

[sirhcyennek81]

ESPN was playing up the trash talking angle before the game with the Bailey comments. You know they were dying to catch a moment like this on camera and to be able to talk about it in a midst of a blowout to at least add some compelling drama to the broadcast.

Fans are almost always the ones to take things like this personally. This whole Cutler-Rivers exchange is the hot topic on this board but no one is talking about it in the local or national media. The players aren't talking about it. Rivers was even asked about it after the game and he said it was nothing but just your regular chatter during a game.


Normal divisional opponent stuff. Next year we'll see how things break down. Chargers have the west, try to do something to derail the NE train.


:Broncos:

[Los Broncos]

So, I was just talking to my friend on AIM, an Oakland fan. Here is what he had to say:

oaklndraidrfan22: I came in at the 2 minute warning and if I were a ref, there would've been like 30 late hit calls on the Chuggers

Even complete outsiders saw it. But: "zomg cutlar is teh babi!!!! C4nc3r!!!!!!", right?

Yep, spot on.

[Los Broncos]

I say the fans just fight it out. I heard there were a lot of fights in the stands this year

As me and John were walking back to the car, Charger fan wanted a piece of Bronco fan, it was a nice little show.

Of course their were others trying to start a little tiff, i mean are they that stupid that they want to fight after a game.

Do they riot when they lose or win?

[boltaneer]

As me and John were walking back to the car, Charger fan wanted a piece of Bronco fan, it was a nice little show.

Of course their were others trying to start a little tiff, i mean are they that stupid that they want to fight after a game.

Do they riot when they lose or win?

Well, I'm sure this happens in every football stadium in America after every game.

That's usually what happens when idiots, testosterone and alcohol mix.

[Paladin]

Well, they will be hurting in two weeks......

[Los Broncos]

Well, I'm sure this happens in every football stadium in America after every game.

That's usually what happens when idiots, testosterone and alcohol mix.

I'm sure it does..

[400HZ]

There always seem to be a lot more drunks at the night games, too.

[RMANCIL]

As me and John were walking back to the car, Charger fan wanted a piece of Bronco fan, it was a nice little show.

Of course their were others trying to start a little tiff, i mean are they that stupid that they want to fight after a game.

Do they riot when they lose or win?


I am sorry to hear that. Those fans don't belong. To bad you did not get them arrested.

[broncos1947]

Someone tell me when the Chargers won a Super Bowl.Or have thay ever won one
Broncos fan for ever and a day

[RMANCIL]

Someone tell me when the Chargers won a Super Bowl.Or have thay ever won one
Broncos fan for ever and a day

Try google , I do remember that the Broncos last won in 1999. Time sure flies. I don't think that their are any players who were on the team then still playing. If so clearly not well.

[Blueflame]

Someone tell me when the Chargers won a Super Bowl.Or have thay ever won one
Broncos fan for ever and a day

Correct trivia answer is that the Chargers are the only AFC West team that has no Lombardi trophies in their trophy case Furthermore, they've only gone to the big dance once.... (1994) where they got their butts handed to them 49-26 by the 49ers.

[Blueflame]

Try google , I do remember that the Broncos last won in 1999. Time sure flies. I don't think that their are any players who were on the team then still playing. If so clearly not well.

Perhaps you've heard of Jason Elam?

[RMANCIL]

Perhaps you've heard of Jason Elam?

Wow he is still around , how old is he now ? How many more years you think he has left?

[theAPAOps5]

Wow he is still around , how old is he now ? How many more years you think he has left?

So how come you didn't post here before the last game? You still haven't answered that question. Didn't have the balls because your team was under performing and you were watching your favorite team of that time? Just curious as I have asked and you have dodged the question with every post.

[Inkana7]

Wow he is still around , how old is he now ? How many more years you think he has left?

Oh, you're back. Hello. I thought you were done for good when you were outsmarted at every turn on monday night. No? Oh well. I do enjoy reading your posts. They're a good guide on what not to use for smack.

[RMANCIL]

Miss me?

[Blueflame]

Wow he is still around , how old is he now ? How many more years you think he has left?

Jason's 36... he was drafted in '93, making this his 14th season. As to how many years he has left, who knows? It's not like kickers are on the field for all that many downs, nor do they normally sustain as much wear and tear as other players, so they can sometimes stay in the game far beyond the normal "retirement age". Look at Morten Andersen, who was still playing last year at 46 years of age (he was drafted back in '82).

[Los Broncos]

I am sorry to hear that. Those fans don't belong. To bad you did not get them arrested.

To be honest, the smack doesnt bother me, its when someone insults me personally.

Even then im pretty passive about it, its just a game.

And why would i have someone arrested?

[Northman]

ESPN was playing up the trash talking angle before the game with the Bailey comments. You know they were dying to catch a moment like this on camera and to be able to talk about it in a midst of a blowout to at least add some compelling drama to the broadcast.

Fans are almost always the ones to take things like this personally. This whole Cutler-Rivers exchange is the hot topic on this board but no one is talking about it in the local or national media. The players aren't talking about it. Rivers was even asked about it after the game and he said it was nothing but just your regular chatter during a game.


Oooops. Evidently your own coach thought it was something enough to talk to him about it. Ha!

[cutthemdown]

When we mention Superbowls we aren't living in the past. We fully realize that any yr where you don't win the Superbowl is a failure. It's a little better to make the playoffs and have your hope kept up, and it's never good to be as bad as Broncos are right now. I'm embarassed to where my Broncos gear out in public. We are just saying one of the reason Chargers fans are making such a big deal out of beiong 4-0 vs Denver over last 2 yrs is because Chargers have never really done anything so what they are doing right now makes you all act like you are really on top of the world.

Seriously do you think Chargers are elite? They are a lower rung playoff team, which is way better then Denver this yr, but not a season in the end that is anything to smack talk about.

Maybe Chargers show us all up and roll through playoffs, upset pats, but I highly doubt it.

[Northman]

I'm embarassed to where my Broncos gear out in public.


Really?

[Hogan11]

As me and John were walking back to the car, Charger fan wanted a piece of Bronco fan, it was a nice little show.

Of course their were others trying to start a little tiff, i mean are they that stupid that they want to fight after a game.

Do they riot when they lose or win?

Are you kidding me? That really sucks.

One of the reasons why I love to go to San Diego for a game is the mellow fan base they have there. There's nothing I despise more than some 20 something asshole who feels it's his duty as a fan of the home team to get into my face when I'm at a game in my away jersey, especially when I never talk smack to begin with. Battling the local populace is not what I buy the game ticket for, ever.

I've never, ever had a problem in Diego but if it starts turning into a Buffalo (for example) due to "fans" looking to start shat, then I'll seriously start to rethink the trip out there.

[Muddled]

Jason's 36... he was drafted in '93, making this his 14th season. As to how many years he has left, who knows? It's not like kickers are on the field for all that many downs, nor do they normally sustain as much wear and tear as other players, so they can sometimes stay in the game far beyond the normal "retirement age". Look at Morten Andersen, who was still playing last year at 46 years of age (he was drafted back in '82).

He is playing this year as well, since week 3 when the Falcons cut Prater. He has done remarkably well too, haven't missed inside the 40 and is 20 for 23 with a long of 48. He has a stated goal of being the first 50 year old player in the NFL.

[boltaneer]

Oooops. Evidently your own coach thought it was something enough to talk to him about it. Ha!

Good for Norv! It's good to see him finally acting like a head coach.

I've said that I'd like to see Rivers tone it down and if it takes Norv giving him a talk, then so be it.

[ohiobronco2]

Good for Norv! It's good to see him finally acting like a head coach.

I've said that I'd like to see Rivers tone it down and if it takes Norv giving him a talk, then so be it.

And lets be honest here, eventhough these guys are professionals, you anger them enough and something is going to happen. Everyone has their breaking point and in a heated game like ours on monday, who is to say that someone out of anger wouldn't take his knees out. This was what I feared would happen to Brady because Billy was running up the score earlier in the year and if he continually taunts his competition something could happen to Rivers.

[boltaneer]

And lets be honest here, eventhough these guys are professionals, you anger them enough and something is going to happen. Everyone has their breaking point and in a heated game like ours on monday, who is to say that someone out of anger wouldn't take his knees out. This was what I feared would happen to Brady because Billy was running up the score earlier in the year and if he continually taunts his competition something could happen to Rivers.

There was lots of talk that a coach would put out a hit on Brady or a player would take things into his own hands if the Patriots kept running up the score but it never happened. Though the Patriots haven't been blowing many teams out as of late...

The main reason why is that there would be too much negativity associated with it. You know you would be hit with a huge fine and you would be hurting yourself and your team with a possible prolonged suspension. And your reputation would be shot. Look at Hanesworth. He's having a pro-bowl year and will no doubt command a huge contract next year but his reputation is still one of a thug because of what he did to that Cowboy player a couple of years ago.

Remember, most of these things are taken more seriously by the fans than the players. Most of these guys are friends despite what uniform the other guy wears. They haven't grown up following that one team their whole life like us fans have. And most players are going to wind up being on three or four teams during their career and their priority is their health. As much as fans don't like to hear it, their loyalty to the uniform they wear is going to be far less than yours. And I'm sure every player has a list of guys that he doesn't like or respect but aside from the few bad apples like Hanesworth, you're not going to see guys go out and try to take others out. It's easy to say something like that as a fan but you have to see the perspective from the player.

If players have to resort to taking cheap shots at someone because of a little trash talking (something that I'm sure every football player is used to), those are the ones who really need to grow up

[Los Broncos]

Are you kidding me? That really sucks.

One of the reasons why I love to go to San Diego for a game is the mellow fan base they have there. There's nothing I despise more than some 20 something a-hole who feels it's his duty as a fan of the home team to get into my face when I'm at a game in my away jersey, especially when I never talk smack to begin with. Battling the local populace is not what I buy the game ticket for, ever.

I've never, ever had a problem in Diego but if it starts turning into a Buffalo (for example) due to "fans" looking to start shat, then I'll seriously start to rethink the trip out there.

Its hardly mellow Hogan, two years ago me and a buddy came real close to throwing down.

I try to steer clear of trouble, i mean maybe its just me, the way i look.

[Garcia Bronco]

Its hardly mellow Hogan, two years ago me and a buddy came real close to throwing down.

I try to steer clear of trouble, i mean maybe its just me, the way i look.

Some people are like that. I had a friend...big dude...6-4...he just quit going to bars....dudes always wanted to fight him. It was retarded.

[Los Broncos]

Some people are like that. I had a friend...big dude...6-4...he just quit going to bars....dudes always wanted to fight him. It was retarded.

Yeah, im a passive person and dont get into trouble much.

But my buddy is a large man as well.

We had just got done killing SD, so emotions were high i guess.

[ohiobronco2]

There was lots of talk that a coach would put out a hit on Brady or a player would take things into his own hands if the Patriots kept running up the score but it never happened. Though the Patriots haven't been blowing many teams out as of late...

The main reason why is that there would be too much negativity associated with it. You know you would be hit with a huge fine and you would be hurting yourself and your team with a possible prolonged suspension. And your reputation would be shot. Look at Hanesworth. He's having a pro-bowl year and will no doubt command a huge contract next year but his reputation is still one of a thug because of what he did to that Cowboy player a couple of years ago.

Remember, most of these things are taken more seriously by the fans than the players. Most of these guys are friends despite what uniform the other guy wears. They haven't grown up following that one team their whole life like us fans have. And most players are going to wind up being on three or four teams during their career and their priority is their health. As much as fans don't like to hear it, their loyalty to the uniform they wear is going to be far less than yours. And I'm sure every player has a list of guys that he doesn't like or respect but aside from the few bad apples like Hanesworth, you're not going to see guys go out and try to take others out. It's easy to say something like that as a fan but you have to see the perspective from the player.

If players have to resort to taking cheap shots at someone because of a little trash talking (something that I'm sure every football player is used to), those are the ones who really need to grow up

Well I think the Patriots have been a little more reserved offensively, but I don't think that it is because Bellicheck became respectful and understanding overnight of the feelings of the oposition. I think it is a combination of teams game planning them better and the Patriots not putting their players and a franchise in a poor situation where you could be targeted by a rogue player. I know that many of these guys don't grow up following and worshiping these teams like fans do, but they still have human emotions and when repeatedly taunted they are more prone to act out. It doesn't always come from just the pacman's of this world either. Classy athletes have been know to snap whether it be under their own power or the order of a head coach like John Cheney. Also, lets keep in mind when Cheney had that basketball player injured, he didn't have one of his stars carry out the act, he had a guy off the bench do it in order to protect his stars. There is a major difference between being a fiery competitor like MJ and a guy like Phillip Rivers. I'm not saying I wish him ill will, but you play with fire enough, you're going to get burned.

[Blueflame]

Really?

No doubt, Anubis... the fact that the Broncos are currently struggling would in no way keep me from proudly rocking my Broncos gear.... no team stays on the top forever; the nature of the sport is that it has highs and lows and rebuilding is a fact of life.

[Blueflame]

He is playing this year as well, since week 3 when the Falcons cut Prater. He has done remarkably well too, haven't missed inside the 40 and is 20 for 23 with a long of 48. He has a stated goal of being the first 50 year old player in the NFL.

He just may succeed at that goal, too.

[Northman]

No doubt, Anubis... the fact that the Broncos are currently struggling would in no way keep me from proudly rocking my Broncos gear.... no team stays on the top forever; the nature of the sport is that it has highs and lows and rebuilding is a fact of life.


Exactly. I wear my Bronco gear more after losses than i do after wins. I swear you would think that some people have never seen this team lose or have a bad year before. Yea, its disappointing but i would never hide my colors (sounds pretty gangsta doesnt it? Ha! ) just because we are struggling. I dont roll like that. I have a friend who has been a Bengal fan for years and he always where's his gear. His loyalty to the Bengals already puts a lot of Bronco fans on here to shame. As someone pointed out a few days ago i guess this is where we are going to see who is a true fan or just someone who wants to be around when we win. Ought to be interesting.

[Blueflame]

Exactly. I wear my Bronco gear more after losses than i do after wins. I swear you would think that some people have never seen this team lose or have a bad year before. Yea, its disappointing but i would never hide my colors (sounds pretty gangsta doesnt it? Ha! ) just because we are struggling. I dont roll like that. I have a friend who has been a Bengal fan for years and he always where's his gear. His loyalty to the Bengals already puts a lot of Bronco fans on here to shame. As someone pointed out a few days ago i guess this is where we are going to see who is a true fan or just someone who wants to be around when we win. Ought to be interesting.

There are some people here in my little corner of Seachicken territory who might not recognize me if I didn't have a Broncos logo on me somewhere.... Ha! :P

... and after every Broncos loss (particularly the blowouts), my friends all are like "What in the world happened to your Broncos?"... :P

[Northman]

There are some people here in my little corner of Seachicken territory who might not recognize me if I didn't have a Broncos logo on me somewhere.... Ha! :P

... and after every Broncos loss (particularly the blowouts), my friends all are like "What in the world happened to your Broncos?"... :P


Yea, i have gotten that a lot this year. I just shrug my shoulders and say we to do some work. Ha!

[Blueflame]

Yea, i have gotten that a lot this year. I just shrug my shoulders and say we to do some work. Ha!

LOL Yeah, it's tough when the team is rebuilding... unfortunately, the young players can't always take over for aging/injured perennial pro bowlers without missing a beat... but we'll rebound, Anubis. :thumbsup:

[Los Broncos]

I wear my gear just about every where, i like to bundle up in it during cold shots.

[Northman]

LOL Yeah, it's tough when the team is rebuilding... unfortunately, the young players can't always take over for aging/injured perennial pro bowlers without missing a beat... but we'll rebound, Anubis. :thumbsup:


Oh, you know it. Ive seen some of what some of these young guys can do. The future is bright, just got to take our lumps for now. :strong:

[Blueflame]

Oh, you know it. Ive seen some of what some of these young guys can do. The future is bright, just got to take our lumps for now. :strong:

Hopefully we can get a draft that's even half as productive as the one that yielded Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, and Doom. This offense is gonna be scary-good in a year or so, I think.

[RMANCIL]

I will give you credit at this point it looks like some of you are handling the losing team pretty well. A few players in the draft and perhaps a f.a. and your team could be back in the race.

It looks at this point that the Bolts should be the team to beat in the west for several years to come.

[Blueflame]

I will give you credit at this point it looks like some of you are handling the losing team pretty well. A few players in the draft and perhaps a f.a. and your team could be back in the race.

It looks at this point that the Bolts should be the team to beat in the west for several years to come.

Remaining relatively healthy would help as well. The injury factor is always the wild card in the deck in sports.

[RMANCIL]

Remaining relatively healthy would help as well. The injury factor is always the wild card in the deck in sports.

That is always true.

[Boltjolt]

Remaining relatively healthy would help as well. The injury factor is always the wild card in the deck in sports.

True, but the Broncos were healthier when we won 41-3 in Denver.

Its not a knock and saying your team has a lot of injuries recently is a valid reason to say the season went into the tank, but the truth is...........the Broncos werent that good this year to begin with.

[Blueflame]

True, but the Broncos were healthier when we won 41-3 in Denver.

Its not a knock and saying your team has a lot of injuries recently is a valid reason to say the season went into the tank, but the truth is...........the Broncos werent that good this year to begin with.

Most Broncos fans recognized that... the team was wildly inconsistent this year on offense and defense and special teams were subpar from Game One. We do have a lot to look forward to as the offense gains experience and starts to gel. We will improve...

Your team is also not as good as last year's squad...

[Boltjolt]

Most Broncos fans recognized that... the team was wildly inconsistent this year on offense and defense and special teams were subpar from Game One. We do have a lot to look forward to as the offense gains experience and starts to gel. We will improve...

Your team is also not as good as last year's squad...

Talentwise it is but it took a while to get the staff and players to gel where that was not supposed to happen being they hired guys that were very familiar with the system and in fact it is Norv's system they have always ran.......but he added wrinkles, expanded the playbood for Rivers and some of the terminowledgy was diferent.

I expect 2008 to be more consistant.

As for Denver....it seems Shanarat has went to FA'cy more than usual and those high risk players that were cut or about to be cut by other teams just hasnt worked out.

[Blueflame]

Talentwise it is but it took a while to get the staff and players to gel where that was not supposed to happen being they hired guys that were very familiar with the system and in fact it is Norv's system they have always ran.......but he added wrinkles, expanded the playbood for Rivers and some of the terminowledgy was diferent.

I expect 2008 to be more consistant.

As for Denver....it seems Shanarat has went to FA'cy more than usual and those high risk players that were cut or about to be cut by other teams just hasnt worked out.

Injuries (particularly O-line and D-line) are the biggest factors in the Broncos' subpar season. Of the 5 starting O-linemen and 4 starting D-linemen, injuries took out Ben Hamilton and Tom Nalen...and Matt Lepsis wasn't 100% either. Ebenezer Ekuban was out early on and then Jarvis Moss suffered a season-ending broken fibula. It certainly didn't help that neither Sam Adams nor Simeon Rice was able to make any significant contribution to the team. The player we missed the most, IMHO, was perennial Pro Bowler Al Wilson.

The playing time will be good for the young linemen in the long run.

[Boltjolt]

Injuries (particularly O-line and D-line) are the biggest factors in the Broncos' subpar season. Of the 5 starting O-linemen and 4 starting D-linemen, injuries took out Ben Hamilton and Tom Nalen...and Matt Lepsis wasn't 100% either. Ebenezer Ekuban was out early on and then Jarvis Moss suffered a season-ending broken fibula. It certainly didn't help that neither Sam Adams nor Simeon Rice was able to make any significant contribution to the team. The player we missed the most, IMHO, was perennial Pro Bowler Al Wilson.

The playing time will be good for the young linemen in the long run.

I dont expect your team to be down for long so right now, we can enjoy the sweeps.

Adams and Rice are players im talking about that Shanarat has taken chances on.....and all those Cleveland Brown scrubs they didnt want. That isnt usually the route he takes and it just hasnt worked out. The 3rd round pick of Clarett was unusual and a big bust,........ i was surprised he took a flyer on him....but to my delight.
Those chances and age catching up with the likes of Lepsis and Nalen.....im just glad AJ Smith likes to build depth and has built the team through the draft and picked up a couple of key guys like Chambers who we really needed.

[Blueflame]

I dont expect your team to be down for long so right now, we can enjoy the sweeps.

Adams and Rice are players im talking about that Shanarat has taken chances on.....and all those Cleveland Brown scrubs they didnt want. That isnt usually the route he takes and it just hasnt worked out. The 3rd round pick of Clarett was unusual and i big bust i was surprised he took a flyer on him....but to my delight.
Those chances and age catching up with the likes of Lepsis and Nalen.....im just glad AJ Smith likes to build depth and has built the team through the draft and picked up Chambers who we really needed.

You're right; we won't be down long. Your success now is due in large part to multiple years of top-5 draft picks (they couldn't all be busts like Ryan Leaf after all :P). Similarly, one can expect improvement from the Raiders in the near future and for the same reason. The Chefs, I think, will be in the division cellar for a while.

[Doggcow]

He fumbles EVERY GAME and makes bone headed decisions ALL THE TIME. Yes he has a good arm but man Cutler is a whining BABY! I do NOT see a winner in that guy.

Ironic, Didn't LT act like a whiny baby when you guys got smoked in your house last year as the #1 seed? Rooooofls.

[Los Broncos]

I respect LT's game, but i cant stand it when he starts talking.

[Hogan11]

Its hardly mellow Hogan, two years ago me and a buddy came real close to throwing down.

I try to steer clear of trouble, i mean maybe its just me, the way i look.

I've never had a problem out there, no one ever said a thing to us and I'm 1 an 1 out there...which is why I was taken aback when you said they acted like Chef fans.

[Los Broncos]

I've never had a problem out there, no one ever said a thing to us and I'm 1 an 1 out there...which is why I was taken aback when you said they acted like Chef fans.

Most of the time its just talk, i laugh and let it roll.

And i know im at a NFL event, opposing fans will talk smack and all that.

But to fight is just plain stupid in my book.

[maher_tyler]

We've known for a while that Rivers is a punk. Whether he's winning or losing, he makes an ass of himself.

One question I have is why were members of the Broncos defense celebrating after they made big plays when they were getting blown out. It was pissing me off to see them give up play after play, and then when they finally made a good play they were acting like they were playing lights out defense. I was yelling at the TV for them to shut out and just make another good play. Sucks that they never followed up that good play with another one. But they surely acted like they did.

I was thinking the same thing..they looked pretty stupid doing it..when your losing a game and your 6-8 you shouldn't be celebrating what so ever!!

[maher_tyler]

thats funny you have to show pics of other teams beating the Chargers. you have to dig up 2 years to find a pic of the broncos win over the Chargers.

heres a clip of Favre showing his Rivers impersonation.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/3301608671899746/koyfavrewhip/

FAVRE................rivers................hmmmmmm mmmmmm.......whats the difference here???????

[bayarealightning]

Man are there a bunch of panties in a wad in Bronco land. If the Broncos need a perceived slight by a division rival to get fired up, then that tells you about the talent difference between the two teams. I never knew that teams needed a little extra to win within the division. Well, if this is what it has come to, then so be it. I guess the Raiders must have used some of that magic to win two division games in a row. What did you guys say to them? You almost lost to them in week two I believe and then lost to them later. They must have been pizzed about something!

[ohiobronco2]

Man are there a bunch of panties in a wad in Bronco land. If the Broncos need a perceived slight by a division rival to get fired up, then that tells you about the talent difference between the two teams. I never knew that teams needed a little extra to win within the division. Well, if this is what it has come to, then so be it. I guess the Raiders must have used some of that magic to win two division games in a row. What did you guys say to them? You almost lost to them in week two I believe and then lost to them later. They must have been pizzed about something!

Well we'd be able to let it go if azzhole Charger fans would stop gloating and leave our site. The one's who are especially annoying are the ones who have been members since 2003-2007 and only have a handful of posts, good indicator that they aren't here to talk football, rather to stir the pot. Where were you boys in 2003 and 2005 when we swept your a**es? Now, go crawl back under a rock. :welcome:

[Northman]

Well we'd be able to let it go if azzhole Charger fans would stop gloating and leave our site. The one's who are especially annoying are the ones who have been members since 2003-2007 and only have a handful of posts, good indicator that they aren't here to talk football, rather to stir the pot. Where were you boys in 2003 and 2005 when we swept your a**es? Now, go crawl back under a rock. :welcome:

Not only that but look at the dip**** you quoted. Signed up in 2005 has a total of 3 posts including the one you quoted. Can you say Troll? Ha!

[Boltjolt]

You're right; we won't be down long. Your success now is due in large part to multiple years of top-5 draft picks (they couldn't all be busts like Ryan Leaf after all :P). Similarly, one can expect improvement from the Raiders in the near future and for the same reason. The Chefs, I think, will be in the division cellar for a while.


Not really true. Its the guy doing the drafting now that is making the difference. We only have 3 top 5 draft picks on the team in LT, Rivers and Quinten Jammer.

Cromartie wasnt a top 5 pick(19) and neither was Merriman(12), Drayton Florence( 2nd round), Vince Jackson(2nd round), Louis Castillo (28th), Michael Turner( 5th round), Nick Hardwick( 3rd round), Marcus McNeill( 2nd round), Antono Gates( undrafted), Shaun Phillips(4th round) Igor Olshansky( 2nd round), or Jamal Williams( 2nd round sup draft).Our starting ILB's are a 4th ( Wilhelm) and a undrafted guy ( Cooper)