Coaches

[x123z]

Does anyone else think we have a problem with coaching? We don't seem to helping the rookies and the second year players improve as well as making them into a team.

[broncogary]

Coaches? We don't need no stinkin' coaches!

[dsmoot]

Does anyone else think we have a problem with coaching? We don't seem to helping the rookies and the second year players improve as well as making them into a team.

We need some players the coaches are afraid to be alone in the room with.

[Inkana7]

We need some players the coaches are afraid to be alone in the room with.

Exactly. We need a Romo. Bad.

Man, I miss that guy.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Too many chiefs! The Patriots have 14 coaches... we have 21. I rest my case.

[yavoon]

<----not bates fan. offensive coaching is mostly fine.

[Popps]

Look, I've been saying this since the beginning of the year. Cutler looks like he doesn't know what to do out there. His mechanics look sloppy from game to game, and yes... I understand that he's got pressure on him. But, there were plenty of times where he had no pressure and just did that slop-throw thing off his back foot.

Then, tantrums... jawing at players on the sidelines, yelling at Martinez when HE (Cutler) was the one who threw the ****ty pass.... and getting in pissing matches with Charger sideline players.

Does that look like a player who's being coached well?

Cutler doesn't look a bit better today than he did 20 games ago. Perhaps it's just a growth curve... and perhaps my theory might hold a little water in that we need to get a real QB coach to work with him.

[DB_champ24]

Look, I've been saying this since the beginning of the year. Cutler looks like he doesn't know what to do out there. His mechanics look sloppy from game to game, and yes... I understand that he's got pressure on him. But, there were plenty of times where he had no pressure and just did that slop-throw thing off his back foot.

Then, tantrums... jawing at players on the sidelines, yelling at Martinez when HE (Cutler) was the one who threw the ****ty pass.... and getting in pissing matches with Charger sideline players.

Does that look like a player who's being coached well?

Cutler doesn't look a bit better today than he did 20 games ago. Perhaps it's just a growth curve... and perhaps my theory might hold a little water in that we need to get a real QB coach to work with him.

How could you possibly say he doesnt look better today than 20 games ago..Honestly might have been the dumbest thing ive ever heard..His little tantrums I think come from frusturation...everyone has them..I do agree alittle bit about the sloppy stuff when he has time..He shows that sometimes but I dont think his mechanics are as bad as you think they are.

[Popps]

How could you possibly say he doesnt look better today than 20 games ago.

Pop in a tape of him in the pre-season games, then the first couple games he played... and compare it to tonight.

Perhaps a bit overstated, but let's just say he's not made any great strides.

He's had great GAMES and great STRETCHES. But, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about his habits and tendencies, which go from so-so one week, to really bad the next.

The guy is our future, he's immensely talented and he played very poorly tonight, pressure or not. On top of it, he was out there acting like a dumb****.

I hold our coaching staff responsible for this kind of stuff. Slop-throws off your back foot when you've got time to set up? ****-talking to players on the sidelines when you're getting your ass kicked and playing terribly?
Yelling at receivers when you can't put the ball anywhere near them?

Who's developing this kid? Are we EVER allowed to ask anything of this staff, or is that off-limits because we won a SB a decade ago?

[DB_champ24]

Pop in a tape of him in the pre-season games, then the first couple games he played... and compare it to tonight.

Perhaps a bit overstated, but let's just say he's not made any great strides.

He's had great GAMES and great STRETCHES. But, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about his habits and tendencies, which go from so-so one week, to really bad the next.

The guy is our future, he's immensely talented and he played very poorly tonight, pressure or not. On top of it, he was out there acting like a dumb****.

I hold our coaching staff responsible for this kind of stuff. Slop-throws off your back foot when you've got time to set up? ****-talking to players on the sidelines when you're getting your ass kicked and playing terribly?
Yelling at receivers when you can't put the ball anywhere near them?

Who's developing this kid? Are we EVER allowed to ask anything of this staff, or is that off-limits because we won a SB a decade ago?

Well I guess I can see what your saying..But only to a certain point..I do question sometimes where hes throwing the ball and some throws could have been placed better..but the solution to that I think comes over time..I dont think his mechanics are really that bad compared to other QBs in the league..He has improved in things like taking a sack instead..I think he feels the pocket much better even though there is obviously room to improve.His overall accuracy is better. I know your a big Cutler fan like most on here and like I said I guess I can agree with what your saying with his tendencies and where are the coaches for this? I personally think the coaches will help with this type of stuff over the offseason..I think things like this are too difficult to fix over the season, as he has so many other things to worry about..Will see next year and hopefully this guy gets some OL men who can protect him from breaking into 5 different pieces.

[Headless Hessian Rider]

<----not bates fan. offensive coaching is mostly fine.

MOstly fine?
You mean until Redzone fine...
and then ..... unbeatable worse.... no craetivity ... no risk... just sucking...

[DB_champ24]

MOstly fine?
You mean until Redzone fine...
and then ..... unbeatable worse.... no craetivity ... no risk... just sucking...

I know..they need to run some misdirection plays or something..Anything different then what they are doing now!!! Like something other than 2 handoffs to the converted RB to FB handoff!!

[dsmoot]

Pop in a tape of him in the pre-season games, then the first couple games he played... and compare it to tonight.

Perhaps a bit overstated, but let's just say he's not made any great strides.

He's had great GAMES and great STRETCHES. But, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about his habits and tendencies, which go from so-so one week, to really bad the next.

The guy is our future, he's immensely talented and he played very poorly tonight, pressure or not. On top of it, he was out there acting like a dumb****.

I hold our coaching staff responsible for this kind of stuff. Slop-throws off your back foot when you've got time to set up? ****-talking to players on the sidelines when you're getting your ass kicked and playing terribly?
Yelling at receivers when you can't put the ball anywhere near them?

Who's developing this kid? Are we EVER allowed to ask anything of this staff, or is that off-limits because we won a SB a decade ago?


I don't get too upset about this game. I once watched Johnny Unitas have a similar game like this against the LA Rams (Grier, Olson, Lundy, Deacon) when he didn't have an opportunity to even set his feet before somebody was putting a hand on him.

[Ratboy]

Look, I've been saying this since the beginning of the year. Cutler looks like he doesn't know what to do out there. His mechanics look sloppy from game to game, and yes... I understand that he's got pressure on him. But, there were plenty of times where he had no pressure and just did that slop-throw thing off his back foot.

Then, tantrums... jawing at players on the sidelines, yelling at Martinez when HE (Cutler) was the one who threw the ****ty pass.... and getting in pissing matches with Charger sideline players.

Does that look like a player who's being coached well?

Cutler doesn't look a bit better today than he did 20 games ago. Perhaps it's just a growth curve... and perhaps my theory might hold a little water in that we need to get a real QB coach to work with him.

Papsmear, perhaps you're a d-bag? We have a random fan saying his mechanics aren't good, but you have Quarterbacks and Scouts saying his mechanics aren't the problem.

Peyton Manning yells at his receivers and called his line out. It's called leadership. You have no clue what Cutler said to Martinez. He could have tried to correct him on running a better route, and HE (Martinez) could have took offense to it and things blew up from there.

The guy is playing incredibly well with less than 2 seconds to throw the ball. You think Manning or Brady would put up their numbers if the Offensive Line were on rollerblades? I'm not sure what you're expectations are for a first year starter, but you better lower it.

Cutler has the playbook open while other first year starters are looking at a few pages.

[lex]

Its time for Dennison to go and for Shanahan to go back to Gibbs with hat in hand and make amends for the past. We need to prune a lot of the coaches. We have so many coaches just so guys can have bogus titles. Shouldnt Bates' title be Defensive Coordinator and not Assistant Head Coach/Grand Poobah of Defense/Grand Deputy Fire Chief?

[Ratboy]

Pop in a tape of him in the pre-season games, then the first couple games he played... and compare it to tonight.

Perhaps a bit overstated, but let's just say he's not made any great strides.

He's had great GAMES and great STRETCHES. But, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about his habits and tendencies, which go from so-so one week, to really bad the next.

The guy is our future, he's immensely talented and he played very poorly tonight, pressure or not. On top of it, he was out there acting like a dumb****.

I hold our coaching staff responsible for this kind of stuff. Slop-throws off your back foot when you've got time to set up? ****-talking to players on the sidelines when you're getting your ass kicked and playing terribly?
Yelling at receivers when you can't put the ball anywhere near them?

Who's developing this kid? Are we EVER allowed to ask anything of this staff, or is that off-limits because we won a SB a decade ago?

Seriously dude. If i was slapping you around while you had body guards that should protect you, what would you do? I'm guessing you would call their asses out. Cutler isn't the problem. The Offensive line is the problem, which can go up to Shanahan, but we've been destroyed with injuries this season.

I'm not worried, next year is going to be different. Shanahan is going to go buck wild and spend cash on an all pro offensive line to protect Cutler. Once he gets protection and has a little bit of time, he's going to light it up.

[FrontRowSeat1]

When Norv Turner Owns Shanny this bad two games in a row? And you ask if there is a problem?

[Ratboy]

Now my arguement is more with Cutler than coaching. I don't think Cutler is playing bad like Papsmear is claiming.

New coach? I can handle it. What are the chances Shanahan leaves? 1 in 100? It's far fetched to see him leave. Maybe he resigns, but i just can't see it.

If Shanahan left I would want Marty.

[lazarus4444]

Popps, totally with you on your "Are we EVER allowed to ask anything of this staff, or is that off-limits because we won a SB a decade ago?" comment.

This board is so in love with Shanahan and his ridiculous coaching staff. Too many chiefs on the roster, time to cut the fat.

Yes, I am questioning Shanahan.

I question his draft abilities.

I question his free agent signings.

I question his play calling.

I question his ridiculous notion that more coaches = better players.

I question whether Shanahan should still be a Broncos coach.

I WISH that Kubiak would have taken the reins but shanny just wouldn't let go, sucks for us.

[DenverBrit]

<----not bates fan. offensive coaching is mostly fine.

Fine? You mean when Kubes was a Broncos coach.
Since he left for Houston, the offense has looked mostly awful. He was the one assistant that the Broncos really miss.
His play calling would have been 3 step drops against the SD defense, not the 5 & 7 that got Cutler abused.
He was the reason that Plummer improved as much as he did.........his departure was obvious when Plummer regressed and the scoring plummeted......and hasn't been the same since.

Does anyone think this team will be back to contender in less than two years?

Two years of stellar draft picks and solid free agents is what is needed. :thumbsup:

[bloodsunday]

Cutler is okay. He needs to improve, but we do ask a lot of a 2nd year guy around here.

As for the coaching, I think the free passes are over. It's been 10 years since our Super Bowls. It's time to win again. We have one playoff victory and one division title since then. The honeymoon is over.

[Dudeskey]

I think it is a problem when you have a HC that has to run the front office as well as the team... We're starting to see how its affecting this team's preparation... Give Shanny the Mike Holmgren treatment and get a real exec in here to handle the front office so Shanahan can get his focus back on coaching this team....

[yavoon]

MOstly fine?
You mean until Redzone fine...
and then ..... unbeatable worse.... no craetivity ... no risk... just sucking...

the broncos w/ our oline have always had on/off redzone problems. this is a bad oline year so our redzone performance is even worse.