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mhgaffney
12-20-2007, 12:19 AM
I highly recommend the following article by Mike Whitney -- about a subject that's rarely discussed in the US media. Whitney is a capable writer -- and here he exposes the grand plans behind the US policies in the Mideast and elsewhere.

IMO this is an accurate description of how the Russians see the US -- as a dire threat.

As I've noted on this board, our dismemberment of Yugoslavia in 1998-99 was aimed at Russia. This was not just neo con policy -- but neo liberal. Today it's hard to distinguish between the two. We are now seeing the dismemberment of Iraq. Which state will be next? Iran? Venezuela? Russia?

A showdown is looming with the latter because Putin will not play the globalist game. He is a Russian nationalist.
MHG

Putin Agonistes: Missile Defense will not be Deployed

By Mike Whitney

12/19/07 "ICH " -- -- It's been a lot of hard work, but Russian President Vladimir Putin has finally achieved his goal. He's cleaned up the mess left behind by Yeltsin, put together a strong and thriving economy, and restored Russia to a place of honor among the community of nations. His legacy has already been written. He's the man who rebuilt Russia. The last thing he wants now, is a pointless confrontation with the United States. But how can it be avoided? He understands Washington's long-range plans for Russia and he is taking necessary steps to preempt them. He is familiar with the heavyweights of US foreign policy, like Zbigniew Brzezinski, and has undoubtedly read his master-plan for Central Asia, “The Grand Chessboard”. Brzezinski's recent article in Foreign Affairs, (A publication of the Council on Foreign Relations) “A Geostrategy for Eurasia” summarizes his views on America's future involvement in the region:

“America's emergence as the sole global superpower now makes an integrated and comprehensive strategy for Eurasia imperative.

Eurasia is home to most of the world's politically assertive and dynamic states. All the historical pretenders to global power originated in Eurasia. The world's most populous aspirants to regional hegemony, China and India, are in Eurasia, as are all the potential political or economic challengers to American primacy. ... Eurasia accounts for 75 percent of the world's population, 60 percent of its GNP, and 75 percent of its energy resources. Collectively, Eurasia's potential power overshadows even America's.

Eurasia is the world's axial supercontinent. A power that dominated Eurasia would exercise decisive influence over two of the world's three most economically productive regions, Western Europe and East Asia. A glance at the map also suggests that a country dominant in Eurasia would almost automatically control the Middle East and Africa. With Eurasia now serving as the decisive geopolitical chessboard, it no longer suffices to fashion one policy for Europe and another for Asia. What happens with the distribution of power on the Eurasian landmass will be of decisive importance to America's global primacy and historical legacy.”

So, there it is. The US is moving into the neighborhood and has no intention of leaving. The war on terror is a fraud; it merely conceals the fact that Bush is sprinkling military bases throughout Central Asia and surrounding Russia in the process. Brzezinski sees this as a “strategic imperative”. It doesn't matter what Putin thinks. According to Brzezinski “NATO enlargement should move forward in deliberate stages” . The US must make sure “that no state or combination of states gains the ability to expel the United States or even diminish its decisive role”.

This isn't new. Putin has known for some time what Bush is up to and he's been as accommodating as possible. After all, his real passion is putting Russia back on its feet and improving the lives of its citizens. That will have to change now that Bush has decided to install a “Missile Defense” system in Eastern Europe. Putin will have to devote more time to blocking America's plans. The new system will upset the basic balance of power between the nuclear rivals and force Putin to raise the stakes. A confrontation is brewing whether Putin wants it or not. The system cannot be deployed. Period. Putin must now do whatever he is necessary to remove a direct threat to Russia's national security. That is the primary obligation of every leader and he will not shirk his responsibility.

Putin is an elusive character; neither boastful nor arrogant. It's clear now that western pundits mistook his reserved, quiet manner as a sign of superficiality or lack of resolve. They were wrong. They underestimated the former-KGB Colonel. Putin is bright and tenacious and he has a vision for his country. He sees Russia as a key player in the new century; an energy powerhouse that can control its own destiny. He doesn't plan to get bogged down in avoidable conflicts if possible. He's focused on development not war; plowshares not swords. He's also fiercely nationalistic; a Russian who puts Russia first.

But Putin is a realist and he knows that the US will not leave Eurasia without a fight. He's read the US National Security Strategy and he understands the ideological foundation for America's “unipolar” world model. The NSS is an unambiguous declaration of war against any nation that claims the right to to control its own resources or defend its own sovereignty against US interests. The NSS implies that nations' are required to open their markets to western multinationals and follow directives from Washington or accept a place on Bush's “enemies list”. There's no middle ground. You are with us or with the terrorists. The NSS also entitles the United States to unilaterally wage aggressive warfare against any state or group that is perceived to be a potential threat to Washington's imperial ambitions. These so-called “preemptive” wars are carried out under the rubric of the “war on terror” which provides the justification for torture, abduction, ethnic cleansing and massive civilian casualties.

US National Security Strategy articulates in black and white what many critics had been saying for years; the United States owns the world and everyone else is just a guest.

Putin knows that there's no way to reconcile this doctrine with his own aspirations for an independent Russia but, so far, a clash has been averted.

He also knows that Bush is flanked by a band of fanatics and militarists who plan to weaken Russia, install an American stooge (like Georgia and Afghanistan) and divide the country into four regions. This strategy is clearly presented in forward-planning documents that have been drawn up in Washington think tanks that chart the course for US world domination. Brzezinski is quite candid about this in his article in Foreign Affairs:

“Given (Russia's) size and diversity, a decentralized political system and free-market economics would be most likely to unleash the creative potential of the Russian people and Russia's vast natural resources. A loosely confederated Russia -- composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic -- would also find it easier to cultivate closer economic relations with its neighbors. Each of the confederated entitles would be able to tap its local creative potential, stifled for centuries by Moscow's heavy bureaucratic hand. In turn, a decentralized Russia would be less susceptible to imperial mobilization.” (Zbigniew Brzezinski,“A Geostrategy for Eurasia”)

Partition is a common theme in imperial planning whether its called apartheid in Israel, federalizing in Iraq, “limited independence” in Kosovo, or “loose confederation” in Russia. It's all the same. Divide and rule; undermine nationalism by destroying the underlying culture and balkanizing the territory. This isn't new. What is amazing, is that Bush's plan is going forward despite 7 years of uninterrupted foreign policy failures. Hubris and self-delusion have a longer shelf-life than anyone could have imagined.

Putin is surrounded by ex-KGB hardliners who have warned him that America cannot be trusted. They have watched while the US has steadily moved into the former-Soviet satellites, pushed NATO to Russia's borders, and precipitated regime change via “color coded” revolutions. They point to Chechen war where US intelligence services trained Chechen insurgents through their ISI surrogates in Pakistan—teaching them how to conduct guerrilla operations in a critical region that provides Russia with access to the western shores of the resource-rich Caspian Basin.

Michel Chossudovsky has done some excellent research on this little-known period of Russian history. In his article “The Anglo-American Military Axis”, he says:

“U.S. covert support to the two main Chechen rebel groups (through Pakistan’s ISI) was known to the Russian government and military. However, it had previously never been made public or raised at the diplomatic level. In November 1999, the Russian Defense Minister, Igor Sergueyev, formally accused Washington of supporting the Chechen rebels. Following a meeting held behind closed doors with Russia’s military high command, Sergueyev declared that:

'The national interests of the United States require that the military conflict in the Caucasus [Chechnya] be a fire, provoked as a result of outside forces", while adding that "the West’s policy constitutes a challenge launched to Russia with the ultimate aim of weakening her international position and of excluding her from geo-strategic areas.'”
In the wake of the 1999 Chechen war, a new "National Security Doctrine" was formulated and signed into law by Acting President Vladimir Putin, in early 2000. Barely acknowledged by the international media, a critical shift in East-West relations had occurred. The document reasserted the building of a strong Russian State, the concurrent growth of the Military, as well as the reintroduction of State controls over foreign capital....The document carefully spelled out what it described as " fundamental threats" to Russia’s national security and sovereignty. More specifically, it referred to "the strengthening of military-political blocs and alliances" [namely GUUAM], as well as to "NATO’s eastward expansion" while underscoring "the possible emergence of foreign military bases and major military presences in the immediate proximity of Russian borders." (Michel Chossudovsky, “The Anglo-American Military Axis”, Global Research)

That's right; there's been a low-grade secret war going on between Russia and the US for over a decade although it is rarely discussed in diplomatic circles. The war in Chechnya is probably less about “succession” and independence, than it is about foreign intervention and imperial overreach.

The same rule applies to the controversy surrounding Kosovo. The Bush administration and its EU clients are trying to fragment Serbia by supporting an initiative for Kosovo “limited independence”.

But why “limited”?

It's because Bush knows that the resolution has no chance of passing the UN Security Council, so the only way to circumvent international law is by issuing a unilateral edict that is promoted in the media as “independence”. By this same standard, Abraham Lincoln should have granted Jefferson Davis “limited independence” and avoided the Civil War altogether.

Author Irina Lebedeva reveals the real motives behind the administration's actions on Kosovo in her article “USA-Russia: Hitting the same Gate, or playing the same game?”

“The North Atlantic alliance (The US and its EU allies) documents indicate that the bloc aims at the “Balkanization” of the post-Soviet space by way of overtaking influence in the territories of the currently frozen conflicts and their follow-up internalization along the Yugoslavian lines are set down in black and white. For example, a special report titled “The New North Atlantic Strategy for the Black Sea Region”, prepared by the German Marshall Fund of the United States on the occasion of the NATO summit, already refers to Black Sea and South Caucasus (Transcaucasia) as a “new Euro-Atlantic borderland plagued by Soviet-legacy conflicts.” And the “region of frozen conflicts is evolving into a functional aggregate on the new border of an enlarging West.” Azerbaijan and Georgia in tandem, the report notes, provide a unique transit corridor for Caspian energy to Europe, as well as an irreplaceable corridor for American-led and NATO to bases and operation theatres in Central Asia and the Greater Middle East.”
Once again, divide and rule; this time writ large for an entire region that is being arbitrarily redrawn to meet the needs of mega-corporations that want to secure “transit corridors for Caspian energy to Europe”. The new Great Game. Brzezinski has called this area a critical “land-bridge” to Eurasia. Others refer to it as a “new Euro-Atlantic borderland”. Whatever one calls it; it is a good illustration of how bloodthirsty Washington mandarins carve up the world to suit their own geopolitical objectives.

Putin has seen enough and he's now moving swiftly to counter US incursions in the region. He's not going to wait until the neocon fantasists affix a bullseye to his back and take aim. In the last few weeks he has withdrawn Russia from the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty (CFE) and is threatening to redeploy his troops and heavy weaponry to Russia's western-most borders. The move does nothing to enhance Russian security, but it will arouse public concern in Europe and perhaps ignite a backlash against Bush's Missile Defense system.

Russian Navy Admiral Vladimir Masorin also announced this week that Russia will move part of its fleet to Syrian ports where “it will maintain a permanent presence in the Mediterranean. Israeli leaders are in a panic over the announcement claiming that the move will disrupt their “electronic surveillance and air defense centers” thus threatening their national security. Putin intends to go ahead with the plan regardless. Dredging has already begun in the port of Tartus and a dock is being built in the Syrian port of Latakia.

Also, Russian officials are investigating the possibility of building military bases in Serbia and have been invited to discuss the issue with leaders in the Serbian Nationalist Radical Party (SRS) The prospective dialogue is clearly designed to dissuade the US from pursuing its present policy towards Kosovo.

Russia also delivered its first shipment of nuclear fuel to Iran this week which means that the controversial 1,000 watt nuclear plant at Bushehr could be fully operational within three months. Adding insult to injury, Iranian officials announced on Monday their plans to build a second plant in defiance of US orders to halt its nuclear activities.

Also, on Monday, “Russia test-launched a new intercontinental ballistic missile part of a system that can outperform any anti-missile system likely to be deployed” according to Reuters. “The missile was launched from the Tula nuclear-powered submarine in the Barents Sea in the Arctic.”

“The military hardware now on our weapons, and those that will appear in the next few years, will enable our missiles to outperform any anti-missile system, including future systems," Col.-Gen Nikolai Solovtsov was quoted as telling journalists.” (Reuters)

Bush's Missile Defense system has restarted the nuclear arms race. Welcome to the new Cold War.

Finally, Russia Chief of Staff, General Yuri Balyevsky warned:

“A possible launch of a US interceptor missile from Central Europe may provoke a counterattack from intercontinental ballistic missiles....If we suppose that Iran wants to strike the United States , then interceptor missiles which would be launched from Poland will fly towards Russia and the shape and flight trajectory are very similar to ICBMs” (Novosti Russian News Agency)

Balyevsky's scenario of an “accidental” World War 3 is more likely than ever now that Bush is pressing ahead with his plans for Missile Defense. Russia's automated missile warning systems can be triggered automatically when foreign missiles enter Russian air space. Its a dangerous game and potentially fatal every living thing on the planet.

To great extent, the American people have no idea of the reckless policy that is being carried out in their name. The gravity of the proposed Missile Defense system has been virtually ignored by the media and Russia's protests have been dismissed as trivial. But hostilities are steadily growing, military forces and weaponry are being put into place, and the stage is set for a major conflagration. This is every bit as serious as the Cuban Missile Crisis, only this time Russia cannot afford to stand down.

Putin will not allow the system to be deployed even if he has to remove it through force of arms. It is a direct threat to Russia's national security. We would expect no different from our own leaders.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2007, 01:52 AM
Brzezinski is a certified whack job who thinks he's Alexander the Great.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2007, 02:01 AM
The NSS is an unambiguous declaration of war against any nation that claims the right to to control its own resources or defend its own sovereignty against US interests. The NSS implies that nations' are required to open their markets to western multinationals and follow directives from Washington or accept a place on Bush's “enemies list”. There's no middle ground. You are with us or with the terrorists. The NSS also entitles the United States to unilaterally wage aggressive warfare against any state or group that is perceived to be a potential threat to Washington's imperial ambitions. These so-called “preemptive” wars are carried out under the rubric of the “war on terror” which provides the justification for torture, abduction, ethnic cleansing and massive civilian casualties.

This paragraph sums up the whole neocon agenda in a nutshell, doesn't it?

America has been hijacked by radical, right-wing extremists who are bent on world domination and the establishment of a "new world order."

Rohirrim
12-20-2007, 12:11 PM
First, Whitney's hero worship of a murderous thug like Putin is repugnant. Second, Brzezinski has morphed into an antiquarian dolt still enamored with all things "Cold War." This is the chief problem with America's think tanks and the political elite today. They are still wrapped up in Cold War politics. They have yet to come to grips with the primary lesson of history: Empires are unsustainable. Russia will balkanize NOT because of U.S. interference, but because that is its original state and Moscow cannot turn back the clock with its dreams of centralized control. Won't happen. China, India and Russia will also NEVER constitute a single bloc of influence. It's like worrying about Santa not coming because you were a bad boy.

These "big thinkers" like Brzezinski really make me sick. They cause more trouble than they're worth. The neocons have a bunch of them too; Wolfowitz, Addison, Feist, etc. Here's the primary rule of geopolitics: Stick your nose in other people's business and you'll get it cut off. This is the primary lesson of 911 WHICH OUR GOVERNMENT STILL HAS NOT LEARNED: The attack on 911 was blowback from our policies. I'm so sick of the idea of "American primacy" and all that it entails.

The basis of America's Republic, as drawn out by the Founders is this, "We stay strong at home and don't intrude abroad." These guys were very smart. They instilled massive amounts of genius and historical wisdom in their concept of government. They knew that the road to empire leads to destruction. That's why they devised a framework of federalized states. America is still protected by two oceans. We cannot be attacked without the attacker being obliterated. So, we are strong at home. We cannot be shut out of the world's markets because we ARE the world's ****ing market. We cannot be shut out of the world's resources because we are one of the most resource rich countries on Earth and if we put our minds to it, we could create anything we did lack much as we created synthetic rubber when the Japanese shut us out of the rubber market. Our influence in the world cannot be shut out because we ARE the world's dominant cultural influence (for good or bad). So, all this bull**** global primacy crap is simply the flailing about of old Cold War paranoids.

What makes us strongest in the world is to be strongest here at home. We make our democracy stronger. We enforce our Constitution and the rule of law. In the face of danger we become MORE free, not less. We show the world that our freedom is more powerful than fear. We show the world that we don't need thugs like Putin to be strong. We become the shining light on the hill. We stop being the arms merchant of the planet. Brzezinski's politics are just a continuation of the Bush/Cheney Agenda of Fear. We have to be brave enough to step away from fear, and lead by example.

TheDave
12-20-2007, 12:30 PM
Who is this Mike Whitney guy?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2007, 07:51 PM
First, Whitney's hero worship of a murderous thug like Putin is repugnant.

"Hero worship?" ???

I didn't get that from the article.

It sounded more like an honest assessment of an opponent's strengths - sort of the same thing Broncos fans do when we're about to face a team to be reckoned with.

Rohirrim
12-20-2007, 08:13 PM
"Hero worship?" ???

I didn't get that from the article.

It sounded more like an honest assessment of an opponent's strengths - sort of the same thing Broncos fans do when we're about to face a team to be reckoned with.

It's been a lot of hard work, but Russian President Vladimir Putin has finally achieved his goal. He's cleaned up the mess left behind by Yeltsin, put together a strong and thriving economy, and restored Russia to a place of honor among the community of nations. His legacy has already been written. He's the man who rebuilt Russia.


Sure sounds like admiration to me. He didn't include the leader of Ukraine sprayed with radioactivity, or the journalist who investigated Putin tossed from a ten story building, or the thousands butchered in Chechnya, etc. etc. etc.

baja
12-20-2007, 08:25 PM
It's been a lot of hard work, but Russian President Vladimir Putin has finally achieved his goal. He's cleaned up the mess left behind by Yeltsin, put together a strong and thriving economy, and restored Russia to a place of honor among the community of nations. His legacy has already been written. He's the man who rebuilt Russia.


Sure sounds like admiration to me. He didn't include the leader of Ukraine sprayed with radioactivity, or the journalist who investigated Putin tossed from a ten story building, or the thousands butchered in Chechnya, etc. etc. etc.

Ya but George Bush looked into his eyes and saw his soul and it was good, so there.

cutthemdown
12-20-2007, 09:08 PM
Putin is one of the most powerful men in the whole world right now. One thing I don't get though is on one hand he says we have new missiles that can evade any missile defense system. Then he says a missile defense system is unnaceptable because it thwarts russian deterent ICBM's. Which is it?

Garcia Bronco
12-20-2007, 10:45 PM
Putin is one of the most powerful men in the whole world right now. One thing I don't get though is on one hand he says we have new missiles that can evade any missile defense system. Then he says a missile defense system is unnaceptable because it thwarts russian deterent ICBM's. Which is it?

He's talking out of his ass.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-20-2007, 10:46 PM
It's been a lot of hard work, but Russian President Vladimir Putin has finally achieved his goal. He's cleaned up the mess left behind by Yeltsin, put together a strong and thriving economy, and restored Russia to a place of honor among the community of nations. His legacy has already been written. He's the man who rebuilt Russia.


Sure sounds like admiration to me. He didn't include the leader of Ukraine sprayed with radioactivity, or the journalist who investigated Putin tossed from a ten story building, or the thousands butchered in Chechnya, etc. etc. etc.

Admiration or simply stating the facts?

mhgaffney
12-20-2007, 11:29 PM
Putin is one of the most powerful men in the whole world right now. One thing I don't get though is on one hand he says we have new missiles that can evade any missile defense system. Then he says a missile defense system is unnaceptable because it thwarts russian deterent ICBM's. Which is it?


The world today is in a gray zone. We are betwixt and between.

MAD ain't want it used to be. (Mutually Assured Destruction)

Since at least 2001 when Bush entered office the US has been pushing for a first strike nuclear capability. Today US nuclear subs sit off the China coast -- and any one of them can surprise China -- or Russia, whose early warning radar defense system disintegrated with the Soviet collapse. The Russians are apparently blind to the West (i.e. from the Pacific).

Putin has attempted to restore the former MAD stale mate -- with new nuclear subs and apparently a new ICBM.

No doubt the Russians are rushing to get these deployed ASAP.

Bronco Bob
12-21-2007, 12:06 AM
Putin Secures New Gas Pipeline, Undermining U.S. Plan

Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin secured a deal to start building a natural-gas pipeline to Central Asia, undermining a U.S.-backed plan to give the region an alternative route bypassing Russia.

The agreement to construct the new pipeline from Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan was signed at a Kremlin ceremony broadcast on Russian state television today.

``The creation of this new energy artery allows for long- term, large-scale gas deliveries to our partners and is a serious contribution by our countries to energy security in Europe,'' Putin said after officials from the three former Soviet republics signed the accord.

Putin reached a preliminary agreement to build the so- called Caspian pipeline, capable of raising Russian imports of Central Asian gas by 40 percent, in May. A follow-up deal to start construction was delayed after Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan considered a U.S. plan to build a link below the Caspian Sea, giving them a new route that would break OAO Gazprom's monopoly on their gas exports to Europe.

The new pipeline, with an annual capacity of 20 billion cubic meters of gas, will open no later than the end of 2010, Russian Energy Minister Viktor Khristenko said on state television after the ceremony.

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``This is very positive for Russia and Gazprom because for the foreseeable future they'll continue control of gas exports out of Central Asia,'' said Steven Dashevsky, co-head of equities at Moscow-based UniCredit Aton. ``It's a clear setback for the West because there are still no alternative routes for Central Asian gas.''

The U.S. doesn't consider today's agreement a setback, because the pipeline will help Turkmenistan meet existing contractual obligations to Russia, said a State Department official who declined to be identified. A trans-Caspian link will still be viable once new fields are developed if market forces determine export routes, the official said.

Gazprom, which supplies a quarter of Europe's gas, is looking to increase that share as it plans two additional export pipelines to the European Union. Even though it holds the world's largest reserves of gas, Gazprom depends on imports from Central Asia to compensate for declining production at its largest Siberian fields.

The European Union and U.S. have sent government and business delegations to Turkmenistan since the February election of President Gurbanguly Berdymukhammedov, who is opening the country to foreign investment after 15 years of isolation. The country, squeezed between Kazakhstan and Iran, is the second- largest gas producer in the former Soviet Union.

The West has pushed a plan to build a sub-sea link to Turkmenistan that would bypass Russia by plugging into a ``southern corridor'' of pipelines to Europe via Turkey.

``Europe now knows it's not going to get the energy it needs from any place other than Russia,'' said Chris Weafer, chief strategist at Moscow-based UralSib Financial Corp. ``The new Caspian pipeline opens the way for a greater level of pragmatism in EU-Russia relations after Putin leaves office next year.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Lucian Kim in Moscow at lkim3@bloomberg.net



(lkim3@bloomberg.net)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aZAoqlSorbFA&refer=home

yavoon
12-21-2007, 12:07 AM
The world today is in a gray zone. We are betwixt and between.

MAD ain't want it used to be. (Mutually Assured Destruction)

Since at least 2001 when Bush entered office the US has been pushing for a first strike nuclear capability. Today US nuclear subs sit off the China coast -- and any one of them can surprise China -- or Russia, whose early warning radar defense system disintegrated with the Soviet collapse. The Russians are apparently blind to the West (i.e. from the Pacific).

Putin has attempted to restore the former MAD stale mate -- with new nuclear subs and apparently a new ICBM.

No doubt the Russians are rushing to get these deployed ASAP.

the US has always pushed for superior nuclear strike capabilities. both first and second strike, both tactical and strategic. whats this "since 2001" bull****?

loborugger
12-21-2007, 09:46 AM
So, there it is. The US is moving into the neighborhood and has no intention of leaving. The war on terror is a fraud; it merely conceals the fact that Bush is sprinkling military bases throughout Central Asia and surrounding Russia in the process.

I have heard this line of logic before. I dont buy it, even for one second. While those bases are effective for power projection against bands of rebels and very weak governments - esp those without air power, they will become almost a liability in a large scale war in Asia. In a war against Russia or China, those bases would become isolated, irrelevant, and overrun. We would probably have to pour a lot of resources into either sustaining them or just evacuating them.

Its like saying, "we have surrounded Mike Tyson with a bunch of toddlers to keep him in check."

He's focused on development not war; plowshares not swords. He's also fiercely nationalistic; a Russian who puts Russia first.


Vlad Putin is going to leave office as the wealthiest man in Europe. He and his former KGB cronies have been a part of the largest pillaging of any country in history as they "privatized" all the resources of the former Soviet Union into the hands of a few - themselves.

The largest obstacle towards development in the Yeltsin era was rampant corruption. That hasnt changed one iota since in the Putin era. The Russian economy is about the size of the Portuguese economy. I would hardly call Russia a powerhouse.

So, while I wouldnt call Putin a Globalist, I wouldnt call him a nationalist, either. I would call him a "me-ist." As in my country exists to enrich, empower, and raise the status of me.

There is some truth in this article, no doubt. But I have to agree with Roh, that this article losses a ton of credibility for its admiration and idealization of Vlad Putin, a jack booted thug with blood on his hands.

mhgaffney
12-21-2007, 03:10 PM
Yes, Yavoon, I may have mis spoke. The push may have started under Clinton.

mhgaffney
12-21-2007, 03:17 PM
Lobo runner needs to read Brzezinski's book The Global Chessboard.

The Us is in Asia partly to control Mideast oil resources -- and central Asian energy reserves --

But also because he who controls central Asia controls the world.

This is the logic of the "great game" -=- the jockeying for world dominance that happened in the late 19th and early 20th century -- as the European nations moved swiftly to expand their colonies and compete among themselves.

Of course this kind of thinking led to WW I -- then WW II -- then the numerous "low level" conflicts since then.

The mad push for world power still consumes our leaders -- despite the existence since 1945 of nuclear weapons.

Our leaders have scarcely restrained themselves at all --- They merely created the CIA (in 1947) to keep the warmaking within bounds. All they succeeded in doing was to destablize many nations and entire regions.

But nothing really changed. The lessons have not learned.

baja
12-21-2007, 03:41 PM
Lobo runner needs to read Brzezinski's book The Global Chessboard.

The Us is in Asia partly to control Mideast oil resources -- and central Asian energy reserves --

But also because he who controls central Asia controls the world.

This is the logic of the "great game" -=- the jockeying for world dominance that happened in the late 19th and early 20th century -- as the European nations moved swiftly to expand their colonies and compete among themselves.

Of course this kind of thinking led to WW I -- then WW II -- then the numerous "low level" conflicts since then.

The mad push for world power still consumes our leaders -- despite the existence since 1945 of nuclear weapons.

Our leaders have scarcely restrained themselves at all --- They merely created the CIA (in 1947) to keep the warmaking within bounds. All they succeeded in doing was to destablize many nations and entire regions.

But nothing really changed. The lessons have not learned.

If this is true that means Ron Paul will be killed by these interests long before he even gets to whiff the presidency.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
12-21-2007, 07:57 PM
If this is true that means Ron Paul will be killed by these interests long before he even gets to whiff the presidency.

Exactly.

(Whether literally or figuratively.)

Bronco Bob
12-21-2007, 09:51 PM
Vlad Putin is going to leave office as the wealthiest man in Europe. He and his former KGB cronies have been a part of the largest pillaging of any country in history as they "privatized" all the resources of the former Soviet Union into the hands of a few - themselves.

The largest obstacle towards development in the Yeltsin era was rampant corruption. That hasnt changed one iota since in the Putin era. The Russian economy is about the size of the Portuguese economy. I would hardly call Russia a powerhouse.

So, while I wouldnt call Putin a Globalist, I wouldnt call him a nationalist, either. I would call him a "me-ist." As in my country exists to enrich, empower, and raise the status of me.

There is some truth in this article, no doubt. But I have to agree with Roh, that this article losses a ton of credibility for its admiration and idealization of Vlad Putin, a jack booted thug with blood on his hands.


Putin $46bn asset claim embroils Kremlin

AN UNPRECEDENTED battle is taking place inside the Kremlin in advance of Vladimir Putin's departure from office, with claims that the Russian President presides over a secret multibillion-dollar fortune.

Rival clans are embroiled in a struggle for the control of assets as Mr Putin prepares to transfer power to his hand-picked successor, Dmitry Medvedev, in May, well-placed political observers and other sources have revealed.

At stake are billions of dollars in assets belonging to state-run corporations. Additionally, details of Mr Putin's personal fortune, reportedly hidden in Switzerland and Liechtenstein, are being discussed for the first time.

The claims surfaced last month when the Russian political expert Stanislav Belkovsky gave an interview to the German newspaper Die Welt. They have been repeated in The Washington Post and the Moscow Times.

Citing sources inside the President's administration, Mr Belkovsky claims that after eight years in power Mr Putin has secretly accumulated more than $US40 billion ($A46 billion). The sum would make him Russia's — and Europe's — richest man.

In an interview, Mr Belkovsky repeated his claims that Mr Putin owns vast holdings in three Russian oil and gas companies, concealed behind a "network of offshore trusts".

Mr Putin "effectively" controls 37% of the shares of Surgutneftegaz, an oil exploration company and Russia's third biggest oil producer, worth $20 billion, he says. He also owns 4.5% of Gazprom, and "at least 75%" of Gunvor, a mysterious Swiss-based oil trader, founded by Gennady Timchenko, a friend of the President's, Mr Belkovsky alleges.

"Putin's name doesn't appear on any shareholders' register," he said. "There is a non-transparent scheme of successive ownership of offshore companies and funds. The final point is in Zug (in Switzerland) and Liechtenstein. Vladimir Putin should be the beneficiary owner."

Mr Putin has not commented on Mr Belkovsky's claims.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/putin-46bn-asset-claim-embroils-kremlin/2007/12/21/1198175339042.html

Rohirrim
12-22-2007, 12:31 PM
Mr Putin has not commented on Mr Belkovsky's claims.



I'm sure he will comment as soon as he finds some more polonium. ;)