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bloodsunday
12-19-2007, 08:57 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_7756379

1977 staff won a lot with less
By Woody Paige
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 12/19/2007 12:19:30 AM MST

The Broncos barely manage in 2007 to get by with 21 coaches - a head coach, an assistant head coach/quarterbacks coach, an offensive coordinator/offensive line coach, an assistant head coach/defense, a defensive coordinator/defensive backs coach, a special-teams coordinator, an associate head coach and assorted other assistants and strength and conditioning coaches. They have won six.

I saw it, but I can't believe that (head) coach Red Miller survived — much less, got to the Super Bowl — in 1977 with just nine assistants, including only two coordinators and no assistant head coaches or strength and conditioning coach or even a pass rush specialist. They won 14.

Yet, imagine this: When Miller was the Broncos' offensive line coach in 1963, there were two other assistants. They won two.

The more, the merrier Christmas, I guess. Well, maybe not. The undefeated New England Patriots have one head coach and 10 assistants (and three strength and conditioning gurus). Bill Belichick must count as four or five coaches.

Of course, everybody knows that Belichick was hired by Miller in 1978, the year after the Broncos' first Super Bowl, as a special-teams aide and defensive coordinator Joe Collier's gofer.

At training camp one day I told the 26-year-old Belichick that he was blocking my view.

Miller, recently honored at a surprise 80th birthday gala in Denver, obviously knew how to pick excellent coaches. A longtime assistant before being named coach of the Broncos in 1977, Red surrounded himself with what I believe is the best and brightest staff in team history. Still.

Miller, his own offensive coordinator, had as assistants on offense: quarterbacks, Babe Parilli, one of the all-time great college and AFL quarterbacks (and Joe Namath's backup), who also was a head coach in the WFL and, later, the USFL; running backs, Paul Roach, a former Wyoming, Oakland and Green Bay assistant who eventually would be the outstanding Wyoming head coach and athletic director; receivers, Fran Polsfoot, who had been an assistant in pro football since 1962, and linemen, Ken Gray, a seven- time all-pro guard.

Collier, who had coached with Miller for many years and was the head coach of the Buffalo Bills from 1966-68, created the Broncos' 3-4 "Orange Crush" defense (and was with the Broncos until 1988). He was assisted by: defensive backs, Bob Gambold, a former college and pro quarterback; linebackers, Myrel Moore, who would leave to become defensive coordinator of the Raiders and return in 1982; and linemen, Stan Jones, a Hall of Fame guard with the Chicago Bears. Jones also served as the Broncos' weightlifting coach.

The special-teams coach was Marv Braden, an ex-college head coach, who produced one of the top three special-teams groups in the league.

Parilli resurrected Craig Morton's career; Roach developed a three-headed Chimera monster in the backfield (which rushed for 1,353 yards); Polsfoot tutored a quality tight end, Riley Odoms, and wide receivers Haven Moses, Jack Dolbin and Rick Upchurch. Gray somehow constructed a line out of broken-down veterans, castoffs and rookies.

Jones worked with two rock-solid linemen and a wild man-Pro Bowler (Lyle Alzado); Moore molded the league's No. 1 linebacking corps; and Gambold built a secondary out of a first- round pick who was a track star, a converted quarterback and a tough leader at strong safety.

Braden had the only player in NFL history who kicked off and was the kickoff returner — and finished as the team's second-leading rusher.

Every coach was a smart, sharp, stable teacher, and friendly and helpful — even to the public and the media.

Dec. 24 will be the 30th anniversary of the Broncos' first playoff game, and the 1977 coaches should be remembered fondly and with respect. They were the first to succeed.

Fran Polsfoot passed on in 1985, and the others are quasi-retired, with Marv Braden in Arkansas, Ken Gray in Texas, Bob Gambold in Arizona, Paul Roach in Laramie, Stan Jones in Fraser, Myrel Moore in Wellington and Joe Collier, Babe Parilli and The Old Redhead, who brought them together, in the Denver area. Babe lives nearby; I see Red and Joe occasionally, and Stan e-mailed me recently. They all look and sound like they could coach — and win — Monday's game.

The 21 current coaches should take a timeout this week to study the 10 former coaches — the class of 1977.

Woody Paige: 303-954-1095 or wpaige@denverpost.com

bloodsunday
12-19-2007, 09:02 AM
Hmm... 21 coaches versus 10? Basically two of each at the coordinator level. The turnover in this area really makes me uncomfortable as well. Perhaps we should cut 5 or so of them and then go with the guys that are actually getting the job done. Do we need both Heimerdinger and Dennison? Both Bates and Slowik?

Could this team be suffereing from the "too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome"?

Dead Head
12-19-2007, 09:44 AM
I still don't get why people read this dumbass....oh well.

brncs_fan
12-19-2007, 09:56 AM
If we had 10 coaches he would say that in this day and age you have to have more coaches to teach players more and more since the game has evolved so much in the last 30 years.

Also, he uses Belichek as an example when that guy is the type of alpha/omega coach that a lot of people are clammoring for Shanahan to get away from or turn over his GM duties.

defenseman
12-19-2007, 09:56 AM
Hmm... 21 coaches versus 10? Basically two of each at the coordinator level. The turnover in this area really makes me uncomfortable as well. Perhaps we should cut 5 or so of them and then go with the guys that are actually getting the job done. Do we need both Heimerdinger and Dennison? Both Bates and Slowik?

Could this team be suffereing from the "too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome"?

Toss Dennison and Bates...dman

Dead Head
12-19-2007, 10:02 AM
If we had 10 coaches he would say that in this day and age you have to have more coaches to teach players more and more since the game has evolved so much in the last 30 years.

Also, he uses Belichek as an example when that guy is the type of alpha/omega coach that a lot of people are clammoring for Shanahan to get away from or turn over his GM duties.

Bill Belichek is a no talent ass-clown that has been caught blatently cheating. His ass-clown nature goes back to Cleveland when he dumped Kosar for no good reason and the team quit on him. He was about to get the same treatment in New England...the job he got a day after he agreed to be the Jets coach, when Tom Brady came along...and he got lucky.


That's it

Mountain Bronco
12-19-2007, 12:14 PM
Wow, you think 3 rings and close to a perfect season is getting lucky? Classless maybe, but lucky no way.

2KBack
12-19-2007, 12:15 PM
Could this team be suffereing from the "too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome"?

I 100% think that this is a part of the problem.

BigPlayShay
12-19-2007, 12:33 PM
They had the exact same number of coaches when they made it to the AFC Championship in 2005 (After beating the 10 coaches and players of the New England Patriots).

Greg Saporta-Assistant Strength/Conditioning
Cedric Smith-Assistant Strength/Conditioning
Rich Tuten-Strength/Conditioning
Rick Smith-Director of Pro Personnel
Ryan Slowik-Defensive Assistant
Bob Slowik-Defensive Backs
Jim Ryan-Defensive Assistant
Kirk Doll-Linebackers
Jimmy Spencer-Assistant Defensive Backs
Andre Patterson-Defensive Line/Tackles
Jacob Burney-Defensive Line/Ends
Larry Coyer-Defensive Coordinator
Gary Kubiak -Offensive Coordinator
Pat McPherson-Quarterbacks
Tim Brewster-Tight Ends
Bobby Turner-Running Backs
Steve Watson-Wide Receivers
Rick Dennison-Offensive Line
Troy Calhoun-Assistant to Head Coach
Ronnie Bradford-Special Teams
Thomas McGaughey-Special Teams Assistant

telluride
12-19-2007, 01:06 PM
Shanny needs scapegoats. He's not accountable, so having 20 or so cronies around is handy. He can fire a few as occasion demands, and pretend he's doing something significant.

NFLBRONCO
12-19-2007, 01:10 PM
Hmm... 21 coaches versus 10? Basically two of each at the coordinator level. The turnover in this area really makes me uncomfortable as well. Perhaps we should cut 5 or so of them and then go with the guys that are actually getting the job done. Do we need both Heimerdinger and Dennison? Both Bates and Slowik?

Could this team be suffereing from the "too many cooks in the kitchen syndrome"?


You could be right but, I also think we are too narrow on picking players who fit our system vs overall talent

Mountain Bronco
12-19-2007, 03:13 PM
And who makes those final player decisions?

Meck77
12-19-2007, 04:31 PM
21 coaches eh? Wow seems like a lot of cooks in the ole kitchen. I'm sure all 21 of them just love one another and are so content with their positions. You don't suppose any of them are trying to rise up the chain of command do you?

Forget the sarcasim. When the losing starts I bet it's a blood bath of back stabbing and BS amongst the rank and file of coaching. I've heard the rumors in years past that this was the case. 21 coaches? geez

NFLBRONCO
12-19-2007, 04:37 PM
And who makes those final player decisions?

Shanny

broncocalijohn
12-19-2007, 05:14 PM
Big deal. Fun article to read but the fact remains that other teams had the same amount of coaches and it is still players that you have. That is what iI thought Woody was getting at in the article. No way the players are better than that 77 team. All I have to say is Upchurch compared to our ST and that ends debate right there! I will always love Collier. He is the reason Orange Crush and the crazyness of Denver in 1977 was happening. Well, that and the team of course.

orinjkrush
12-19-2007, 06:07 PM
we need to up the coach to player ratio to one to one. that ought to do it. each player could have his personal coach to crap on him when he came off the field. nothin like back seat drivers to increase your performance.

Popps
12-19-2007, 07:53 PM
21 coaches and we can't get the right amount of guys on the field at any given time.

As for the 77 squad, I'd say we had more talent in some areas.. less in others.

Still, it goes to the point a lot of us who've watched the team for a long time have been making... this team isn't disappointing just because they lose, it's the way they lose and the seeming lack of heart and effort. Part of that is coaching, part of that is players.

But, this team isn't JUST suffering from a lack of talent. I can point you out 10 teams in this league that perform better with less talent. Beyond that, if there's a talent problems, maybe one of those 21 jackasses could look into that.

BigPlayShay
12-19-2007, 08:01 PM
Just a reminder that we made it to the AFC Championship with 21 coaches just 2 years ago.

Cito Pelon
12-19-2007, 08:48 PM
21 coaches eh? Wow seems like a lot of cooks in the ole kitchen. I'm sure all 21 of them just love one another and are so content with their positions. You don't suppose any of them are trying to rise up the chain of command do you?

Forget the sarcasim. When the losing starts I bet it's a blood bath of back stabbing and BS amongst the rank and file of coaching. I've heard the rumors in years past that this was the case. 21 coaches? geez

No kidding. Imagine a coaches only meeting. Here's the Bronco web-site count as of today:

Coaching Staff
Mike Heimerdinger - Assistant Head Coach/Quarterbacks
Rick Dennison - Offensive Coordinator/Offensive Line
Jim Bates - Assistant Head Coach/Defense
Bob Slowik - Defensive Coordinator/Defensive Backs
Scott O'Brien - Special Teams Coordinator
Steve Watson - Associate Head Coach
Joe Baker - Linebackers
Jeremy Bates - Wide Receivers/Quarterbacks
Ronnie Bradford - Assistant Defensive Backs
Jacob Burney - Defensive Line
Keith Burns - Special Teams Assistant
Dwayne Chandler - Assistant Strength and Conditioning
Charlie Jackson - Defensive Assistant
Bill Johnson - Defensive Line
Pat McPherson - Tight Ends
Jim Ryan - Offensive Assistant
Greg Saporta - Assistant Strength and Conditioning
Ryan Slowik - Special Teams Assistant
Bobby Turner - Running Backs
Rich Tuten - Strength and Conditioning

Now, get rid of Tuten and Saporta in a coaches-only meeting, which I imagine they have once a week, and you end up with 18 coaches and Shanny as the moderator. It must take 4 hours to get anything accomplished, and after hour one I imagine somebody has pissed off somebody else. This goes on from March through December.

So yeah, too many cooks in the kitchen. There's six voices that want to be heard on Defense alone. How often does one go to a meeting where some guys don't have something to say? Never, I wager.

Hell, when you have six guys managing maybe eighteen, there has to be long unproductive meetings. I can see 3 managing eighteen. Any more than that, and the coaches meetings take more energy than managing the players. It's non-productive.

Cito Pelon
12-19-2007, 09:05 PM
Just a reminder that we made it to the AFC Championship with 21 coaches just 2 years ago.

As I've said many, many times, that season was made by the +24 turnover ratio. Having a bloated coaching staff I don't think has much to do with that.

BigPlayShay
12-19-2007, 09:40 PM
As I've said many, many times, that season was made by the +24 turnover ratio. Having a bloated coaching staff I don't think has much to do with that.

Did having that many coaches hinder their success?

Bronco_Beerslug
12-19-2007, 09:46 PM
As I've said many, many times, that season was made by the +24 turnover ratio. Having a bloated coaching staff I don't think has much to do with that.Think having a great defense might have had something to do with that?

bloodsunday
12-25-2007, 11:55 AM
Just a reminder that we made it to the AFC Championship with 21 coaches just 2 years ago.

Yeah and we fired the D-Coordinator that made that happen. Remember?

Since then we have added 2 O-Coordinators and a new special teams coach. It's not just the number, but the turnover and the all this co/assistant business. Let's settle on a staff that his hungry and go win some friggn' games. The turnover and the sharing of responsibilities lacks consistency and stinks of searching for desperate action.

I personally appreciate Coyer more now than ever. He got something out of the Browncos. He designed a defense that actually won with no talent. He designed a defense to emphasize his best players.