Which Bronco streak will probably end next season?

[TomServo]

if we dont play in the SB in 2009, that will end the broncos streak of at least playing in a superbowl every decade since the '70's.
Yah we lost in the 70's and '80s but at least we made it to the big dance. we cant win it if were not in it.
the more dust that collects on our Lombardi's, the more i feel shannys time has come and gone.
Dunno about any other bronco fans but a decade without a SB is unacceptable

[smalltowngrll]

And this couldn't wait until 2009 to be pointed out? Every year is different.....so, why post this now?

[Popps]

if we dont play in the SB in 2009, that will end the broncos streak of at least playing in a superbowl every decade since the '70's.
Yah we lost in the 70's and '80s but at least we made it to the big dance. we cant win it if were not in it.
the more dust that collects on our Lombardi's, the more i feel shannys time has come and gone.
Dunno about any other bronco fans but a decade without a SB is unacceptable

It's a shame.

Mike Shanahan simply has lost touch with his original priorities with regards to building a championship team. He doesn't have the veteran leaders to pick up the slack for him any longer.

I've said this many times before. I believe Shanahan is a great game-day coach. I believe he's a great leader when he has a team full of smart, veteran players. I believe those kinds of players respond to him very well.

I do not believe he's a good teacher. I don't think he's generally good with young players, unless they're the standout variety, i.e. Terrell Davis.

Unfortunately, Shanahan has a young, sloppy team that needs to be reeled in. That's not his specialty.

The team is a mess, quite honestly. I'm as optimistic as the next guy, but we really do have major problems.

For some reason, I'm just not as hopeful that another off-season of Shanahan taking weird stabs at cast-off D-linemen is going to do the trick. Call me crazy. He did finally take a couple of early D-line picks last year. Too bad it took him a decade to do so. Too bad he passed on guys like Kerney and opted for guys like Bly.

I've defended Shanahan for a decade, now. I still think he's one of the best in the league, if not the best. But, I also wonder if things just don't run their course, at a certain point.

[Popps]

Let me qualify, too... by "not a good teacher," I really meant to say that I don't think he's a "player's" coach. In other words, I think he's got minimal patience for young guys, screw ups and attitude. Unfortunately, the league is full of that right now.

He certainly gets a lot out of the talent he brings in. So, in that regard, he's a good teacher. So, maybe I stated it wrong. I just mean I don't think he's a build from the ground up guy at this stage in his career.

He needs a core of smart, talented, veteran players to help him keep control.

[broncofan]

He needs a core of smart, talented, veteran players to help him keep control.

...or how about the 20 or so coaches he has on his staff which includes two offensive and two defensive coordinators? Are they performing up to the expectations we've placed on them? I don't know enough about the assistants to be able to pass judgement on the topic, but the turnover within our coaching ranks is something to be alarmed about as well. Jim Bates was supposed to be our savior on the defensive side of the ball and he still may be, but right now he's working with Coyer players and rookies. I still can't figure out what Heimerdinger is doing here. Is it really necessary to have 2 offensive coordinators when your head coach basically negates defense all week and focuses only on offensive meetings and gameplanning?

What this team needs is stability, which is what cracks me up about the recent calls for Shanahan's head. If he leaves, we're going to see two or three more years like this if not worse. I honestly believe that with a couple good moves this offseason, we can take the division back next year. We just need the scheme to sink in to all the young players and to let their confidence grow within the system.

I listened to Brandon Marshall on Sirius NFL Radio last weekend and he had nothing but good things to say about Shanahan and the staff. He led everyone to believe that there is nothing but the utmost of commitment to the team and to Shanny in that locker room. What that tells me is that the problems on this team appear to only be skin deep. Nobody is refusing to play, nobody is demanding to be traded, nobody is demanding to be released, and no player is demanding Shanahan gets fired. As long as Shanny's message is still getting through, everything should be OK.

So to answer the question of the initial post. No, the streak won't end. We'll be playing for the Super Bowl in two years...I guarantee it :thumbs:

[Popps]

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What this team needs is stability, which is what cracks me up about the recent calls for Shanahan's head. If he leaves, we're going to see two or three more years like this if not worse.

Yea, I've thought about that, too. I'm not 100% certain that we'd be doomed for two years, but it could be rough. Some teams rise above that, depending on the coach. Dallas comes to mind.

Still, I'd prefer we stick with Shanahan... but I think that goes against logic. I'm admittedly just being a homer, hoping he turns it around. There's really not a logic-based case to be made for him, at this point. It's just faith.

The guy just needs to return to the philosophies he used to build our first champion...

-Smart, talented, veteran leaders

-Highly talented linemen

The rest will fall in place.

[Cosmo]

I'm more sad about our 1977, 1987, 1997....2007? streak.

[eddie mac]

Which Bronco streak will probably end next season?

1 losing season.

[Cito Pelon]

...[QUOTE]or how about the 20 or so coaches he has on his staff which includes two offensive and two defensive coordinators? Are they performing up to the expectations we've placed on them? I don't know enough about the assistants to be able to pass judgement on the topic, but the turnover within our coaching ranks is something to be alarmed about as well.

This is long-time problem I have with Shanahan, the assistant staff he hires. No, they are not "performing up to the expectations". He's very loyal to his staff, but the NFL is a cut-throat business. You can't shuffle coaches around because you like them and they like you. The NFL is not a family business where you have to keep a guy because he's your cousin or brother-in-law. But, that's how Shanny has ran his staff. When Shanny won the NFL Titles his assistant coaching staff was raided, and he hasn't recovered from that.

Jim Bates was supposed to be our savior on the defensive side of the ball and he still may be, but right now he's working with Coyer players and rookies. I still can't figure out what Heimerdinger is doing here. Is it really necessary to have 2 offensive coordinators when your head coach basically negates defense all week and focuses only on offensive meetings and gameplanning?

Bates is working with Coyer players? Wow.

What this team needs is stability, which is what cracks me up about the recent calls for Shanahan's head. If he leaves, we're going to see two or three more years like this if not worse. I honestly believe that with a couple good moves this offseason, we can take the division back next year. We just need the scheme to sink in to all the young players and to let their confidence grow within the system.

Stability within the assistant staff may be what has hurt this team. The assistant staff has been stable for many a year, except for the good ones that were raided by other teams. Some of you younger folks don't remember that when Greg Robinson was fired and Ray Rhodes came in looking for a job after he got fired as HC of the Packers, he had to keep the same assistant staff as Robinson had. And when Rhodes was fired Larry Coyer had to keep the same assistant staff from Robinson and Rhodes, and that may be why Coyer was hired, because a new DC would insist he had to be able to bring in his own hand-picked assistants.

I listened to Brandon Marshall on Sirius NFL Radio last weekend and he had nothing but good things to say about Shanahan and the staff. He led everyone to believe that there is nothing but the utmost of commitment to the team and to Shanny in that locker room. What that tells me is that the problems on this team appear to only be skin deep.

So what? Other than him, Lynch, Bailey, Elvis, and some more of the younger guys they pretty much don't play hard or don't have the ability to play in the NFL. Foxworth is good for quotes, but he's one sissy player.

Nobody is refusing to play, nobody is demanding to be traded, nobody is demanding to be released, and no player is demanding Shanahan gets fired. As long as Shanny's message is still getting through, everything should be OK.

Why should they refuse to play? Shanny dishes out some of the nicest contracts in the NFL, despite bum play. And if Shanny's message is to win the Division Title and win at least one playoff game, that message sure as taxes isn't getting through.

So to answer the question of the initial post. No, the streak won't end. We'll be playing for the Super Bowl in two years...I guarantee it :thumbs:

Very doubtful. A Division Title maybe in 2009.

[no-pseudo-fan]

One or two players make a huge difference. For example, put Albert Haynesworth in at DT for us and what does that do? More doubles on him, less running up the middle, harder for OL to get to second level blocks, less doubles on Elvis.

[defenseman]

It's a shame.

Mike Shanahan simply has lost touch with his original priorities with regards to building a championship team. He doesn't have the veteran leaders to pick up the slack for him any longer.

I've said this many times before. I believe Shanahan is a great game-day coach. I believe he's a great leader when he has a team full of smart, veteran players. I believe those kinds of players respond to him very well.

I do not believe he's a good teacher. I don't think he's generally good with young players, unless they're the standout variety, i.e. Terrell Davis.

Unfortunately, Shanahan has a young, sloppy team that needs to be reeled in. That's not his specialty.

The team is a mess, quite honestly. I'm as optimistic as the next guy, but we really do have major problems.

For some reason, I'm just not as hopeful that another off-season of Shanahan taking weird stabs at cast-off D-linemen is going to do the trick. Call me crazy. He did finally take a couple of early D-line picks last year. Too bad it took him a decade to do so. Too bad he passed on guys like Kerney and opted for guys like Bly.

I've defended Shanahan for a decade, now. I still think he's one of the best in the league, if not the best. But, I also wonder if things just don't run their course, at a certain point.

Couldn't agree more. And, now, he continues to "double down" on the likes of travis henry and such. WTF? I believe one phrase sums him up, he's lost his "edge". Simple as that. I believe with today's player a "coach" or "GM" has to have the ability to cut through the garbage and pick out that one guy that will help your team. Belicheck is at the top of his game doing this. Shanahan, quite simply is not. Round holes, square pegs. I think shanny has lost that ability "most of the time". It's more like, throw a bunch of them against the wall and see what sticks. But, we'll see. In any case, considering the present course of this organization, I wouldn't be making any plans for "superbowl weekend" over the next 4 or 5 years...dman

[Beantown Bronco]

The way things are shaking out, at least 10 or 11 other AFC teams will say they were shut out of the SB this decade as well.

[ScottXray]

Mike Shanahan will probably post his second consecutive LOSING season next year...

More of the same coming from Dove Valley next year.:pimp:

[broncofan]

Yea, I've thought about that, too. I'm not 100% certain that we'd be doomed for two years, but it could be rough. Some teams rise above that, depending on the coach. Dallas comes to mind.

True. Dallas has more established talent than we do though. I had them on a short list of teams that would improve by leaps and bounds by just changing concepts and schemes to better suit the players. Washington is another.

I don't think we have the talent to be able to breeze through a coaching change without skipping a beat.

[broncofan]

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This is long-time problem I have with Shanahan, the assistant staff he hires. No, they are not "performing up to the expectations". He's very loyal to his staff, but the NFL is a cut-throat business. You can't shuffle coaches around because you like them and they like you. The NFL is not a family business where you have to keep a guy because he's your cousin or brother-in-law. But, that's how Shanny has ran his staff. When Shanny won the NFL Titles his assistant coaching staff was raided, and he hasn't recovered from that.



Bates is working with Coyer players? Wow.



Stability within the assistant staff may be what has hurt this team. The assistant staff has been stable for many a year, except for the good ones that were raided by other teams. Some of you younger folks don't remember that when Greg Robinson was fired and Ray Rhodes came in looking for a job after he got fired as HC of the Packers, he had to keep the same assistant staff as Robinson had. And when Rhodes was fired Larry Coyer had to keep the same assistant staff from Robinson and Rhodes, and that may be why Coyer was hired, because a new DC would insist he had to be able to bring in his own hand-picked assistants.



So what? Other than him, Lynch, Bailey, Elvis, and some more of the younger guys they pretty much don't play hard or don't have the ability to play in the NFL. Foxworth is good for quotes, but he's one sissy player.



Why should they refuse to play? Shanny dishes out some of the nicest contracts in the NFL, despite bum play. And if Shanny's message is to win the Division Title and win at least one playoff game, that message sure as taxes isn't getting through.



Very doubtful. A Division Title maybe in 2009.

I really can't argue too much with the points you make. I'd be ignorant to say that my post wasn't derived from blatant Shanny homerism whereas yours tend to be based on cold, hard reality.

As far as the "Coyer players" comments...I knew somebody would pick up on that, and yet I was still too lazy to go back and change it. I didn't mean it as Coyer-system players, as I'm pretty sure Shanahan handed Coyer a roster and told him to go to work. It's just that the majority of players on our defense were either brought in from Coyer's tenure here or are rookies (using the timeframe from 03-06 as the example). Granted, that list includes Champ, DJ, Dumervil, Lynch, etc., but I'm not talking about them. We don't have the right role players and workhorses up front (defensive line woes have been well documented here) to define Bates' defensive scheme. I've always been led to believe that Bates has such a distinctive defensive system that he would probably need a year or so to acquire and refine players before it really hit its stride here.

I highly doubt Shanahan's message is to "win the Division Title and win at least one playoff game." That may be the expectations placed on the team, but I can't imagine that's his verbal message to the team. The message is the thing or collection of things he says or does that builds towards realizing those expectations. Obviously, it's easy to argue that by not reaching those expectations his message is therefore not getting through, but with injuries and increased responsibility of younger players this season that point becomes somewhat irrelevant. You can't teach experience and you can't predict injuries. I honestly believe this team is taking a step back this year in order to take a step forward next year.

[TomServo]

sorry. didnt mean to abandon my own thread.
And this couldn't wait until 2009 to be pointed out? Every year is different.....so, why post this now?

because 2009 is too late. if we dont make the playoffs next season-2008 and make it to the SB in 2009 the streak is done.
Which Bronco streak will probably end next season?

1 losing season
the same number of playoff wins since 1999

The way things are shaking out, at least 10 or 11 other AFC teams will say they were shut out of the SB this decade as well.

i dont care about any other team in the NFL. im talking about the broncos. thats my point. if were going to be like any other franchise then i guess its acceptable to be like the seahawks or the chargers or the ravens or the bucs or any other one hit SB wonder? just happy to get there once every 20-25 years or so?
anyway i hope like everyone else we can pull a worst to first next year. all i want is what ive come to expect from the broncos. i dont care if its with a new coach with something to prove or an old coach (shanny) looking for something to prove.