How Would You Feel . . .(another "replace Shanahan" thread)

[manchambo]

Going into next season with Cowher at the helm? Would you be more or less optimistic than with another Shanahan year? My honest answer is that, even though I know of no objective basis on which I could state that Cowher is a better coach, the switch would give me a brighter outlook.

And that gets me thinking about what it really means to say that a coach eventually gets "stale." Sometimes (and I really mean only sometimes) change might be good for its own sake, to the extent that it gives the players and organization a reason to feel optimistic, and to correspondingly be more energetic.

For that reason, I have for the first time come to the conclusion that it's time for Shanahan to go, even though I'm firmly convinced that there is not an objectively better coach available.

[Inkana7]

Oh Jesus Christ. Please. Stop.

[Blueflame]

This needed a new, separate thread? It couldn't have been added to one of the already-existing "we need a new HC" threads? ???

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[Spider]

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[broncofan]

Oh man. Gimme a break...

[theAPAOps5]

So I am having prime rib for dinner.

[Spider]

So I am having prime rib for dinner.

Man I just had some Goulash .........I love that stuff ,but instead of hamburger , I like ground up sausage...... anyhoo , I have to load to go to Chadron Neb tomorrow ..well 20 miles east of there

[wolf754life]

i agree wholeheartedly, its time for changes, big ones, the kind of wholesale rebuilding a team should have to do every 10 yrs, i would be willing to go 4 and 12 next year with a new staff and new coaches, ones who stress special teams and defense, build an offense around cutler and get us a savy GM with a proven track record.

you guys can sit here and cry about how you don't want to hear it, you can talk about what you like to eat, or what your doing this weekend, but no matter what you simply have to admit that the broncos are getting worse by the minute, and it starts at the top, with your CEO/HEAD COACH/GM/INEPT POWER MONGER Mikey Shannyblowdraftpickyagainy!

PERSONNEL IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS TEAM, and his playcalling has lost its edge, everyone of his "NEW" assistant coaches he brings in doesn't work, he cannot effectively evaluate talent at the offensive or defensive lines, Corner back, Safety, Linebacker positions. All he knows is RB and QB. We all know how bad his track record is with WR's.

The time has come, and my bet is he will resign midway through next year after his free agent busts of 2008 underperform the same way his free agents of 2007 did...............

GAME OVER FOR SHANNY, THANKS FOR THE BOWLS, NOW GET OUT!

[broncofan]

The time has come, and my bet is he will resign midway through next year after his free agent busts of 2008 underperform the same way his free agents of 2007 did...............

What are you betting?

[7 4ever]

I was thinking about going to this awesome Chilean restaurant, then I realized that I gotta workout tonight since I missed Monday's workout, so I think Chilean food will wait until tomorrow :( I'll have a small salad tonight, what are you guys having for dinner?

[Spider]

I was thinking about going to this awesome Chilean restaurant, then I realized that I gotta workout tonight since I missed Monday's workout, so I think Chilean food will wait until tomorrow :( I'll have a small salad tonight, what are you guys having for dinner?

Small salad ? Eat like a man ........ unless course you are a woman , (and i have made this mistake before . aka Alpha Omega) then by all means eat a small salad
;D

[elsid13]

I had a great recipe for some sirlon burgers, that I was going to make. But I have no interesting in really cooking tonight. Looks like pasta.

[elsid13]

Small salad ? Eat like a man ........ unless course you are a woman , (and i have made this mistake before . aka Alpha Omega) then by all means eat a small salad
;D

After see your pics, I might suggest that you try the small salad too ;D

[7 4ever]

Small salad ? Eat like a man ........ unless course you are a woman , (and i have made this mistake before . aka Alpha Omega) then by all means eat a small salad
;D

LOL Dude, the wife will not allow me to eat anything but a small salad; you know how dictatorships work some times...:oyvey:

[elsid13]

LOL Dude, the wife will not allow me to eat anything but a small salad; you know how dictatorships work some times...:oyvey:

We have another candiate for Hotrod's Real Man Summer Camp. You'll love it your bunking/sleeping with TJ.

[7 4ever]

We have another candiate for Hotrod's Real Man Summer Camp. You'll love it your bunking/sleeping with TJ.

Cool, I'm sure I can use some help, just let me talk to the boss first...oh wait

[Bronx33]

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[Stormontheplains]

I would rather have Boob and his 400lb hairlipped, crackhead mom jump on my balls until I bleed to death than have Bill Cowher coach. One super bowl with a great defense for 16 years, I will pass

[Broncoman13]

Yes, lets fire Shanny so that the Chargers or Chiefs can offer him $6 or 7 mil a season and the opportunity to torture us like he's done the Raiders since he arrived. NO THANKS!

Bring in the Tuna or Marty to play GM and let Shanny focus on the X's and O's.

[Maximus]

Man I just had some Goulash .........I love that stuff ,but instead of hamburger , I like ground up sausage...... anyhoo , I have to load to go to Chadron Neb tomorrow ..well 20 miles east of there

Sounds like there is alot of P***y being served on the OMange menu these days. Food Jacking is funny but... it shows that OM Posters are losing their balls. Donk fans used to have real debates and make serious points... now posters have become food jackers in order to avoid relevent conversation.

Listen to bowlen all you want... ratboy is on the hotseat. He told everyone he was outcoached last night... Ya'll better get ready because his departure could come sooner than you think.

Continue on with your food jacking... P***y is on the menu and you are what you eat!

[Stormontheplains]

Sounds like there is alot of P***y being served on the OMange menu these days. Food Jacking is funny but... it shows that OM Posters are losing their balls. Donk fans used to have real debates and make serious points... now posters have become food jackers in order to avoid relevent conversation.

Listen to bowlen all you want... ratboy is on the hotseat. He told everyone he was outcoached last night... Ya'll better get ready because his departure could come sooner than you think.

Continue on with your food jacking... P***y is on the menu and you are what you eat!


Does that meen your a penus?????? I suppose your on the hot seat quite a bit with what your eating

[400HZ]

I'd put money on Cowher coaching the Panthers next season.

[Maximus]

Does that meen your a penus?????? I suppose your on the hot seat quite a bit with what your eating

Must have touched a nerve... We know whats on your menu right you C*******her :wave:

[Spider]

Sounds like there is alot of P***y being served on the OMange menu these days. Food Jacking is funny but... it shows that OM Posters are losing their balls. Donk fans used to have real debates and make serious points... now posters have become food jackers in order to avoid relevent conversation.

Listen to bowlen all you want... ratboy is on the hotseat. He told everyone he was outcoached last night... Ya'll better get ready because his departure could come sooner than you think.

Continue on with your food jacking... P***y is on the menu and you are what you eat!

LOL ........ food jacking ........Denial ...we cope how we can ......
But seriously , how many times has the subject come up ? another new thread ... after every loss it is the same thing , different poster , but same thing ...... I just wish these gutless weak kneed , sidewalk sissy's would have the balls to start this crap after wins ........
the magic of the internet , these piss head geeks become instant NFL coaches ans master minds , in reality , they can barely negotiate a plan they drew up to get out of the basement with out doing bodily harm to themselfs .......

[Dudeskey]

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[Maximus]

LOL ........ food jacking ........Denial ...we cope how we can ......
But seriously , how many times has the subject come up ? another new thread ... after every loss it is the same thing , different poster , but same thing ...... I just wish these gutless weak kneed , sidewalk sissy's would have the balls to start this crap after wins ........
the magic of the internet , these piss head geeks become instant NFL coaches ans master minds , in reality , they can barely negotiate a plan they drew up to get out of the basement with out doing bodily harm to themselfs .......

I hear what you're saying... BTW none of this would be happening if you would have taken your ass to work last night :D

[Spider]

I hear what you're saying... BTW none of this would be happening if you would have taken your ass to work last night :D

LOL true dat ....

[Spider]

I hear what you're saying... BTW none of this would be happening if you would have taken your ass to work last night :D

It isnt so much they want shanny fired , that bothers me , I could care less if they like him ...... it is the cowardice in how they do this ....... Then they act as if regurgitating some burnt out Coach Like Cowher or Glanville , will make everything better ......

[Maximus]

LOL true dat ....

If you only drove 20 miles down the road and turned on your slingbox.... :rofl:

[Spider]

If you only drove 20 miles down the road and turned on your slingbox.... :rofl:

LOL well the good news is , my electrical problem is fixed , no more fires I hope , My Bunk heater works now , but only on the A/C position and the thermostat on high .....

[Maximus]

It isnt so much they want shanny fired , that bothers me , I could care less if they like him ...... it is the cowardice in how they do this ....... Then they act as if regurgitating some burnt out Coach Like Cowher or Glanville , will make everything better ......

It won't make it better but, it is an option. The GM decisions and play calling are the root of the problems... you can't play defense without proper players... Bates inherited the players so the GM's... Shanarat / Sundquist own that debacle. shanahan also owns the legacy of a decade of bad defense and DC changes. So, fault lies squarely on his lap. I know it's been beat to death but... Cohwer and others are viable options.

[Los Broncos]

I'm not at in favor of replacing Mike.

He needs to draft better thats for sure, but he can coach.

We need help on both sides of the ball.

[Maximus]

LOL well the good news is , my electrical problem is fixed , no more fires I hope , My Bunk heater works now , but only on the A/C position and the thermostat on high .....


Ha! I see you hauled your ass out of the chat room real quick last night too... Ha! I was placing blame and you were nowhere to be found :D too damn funny.

[Maximus]

I'm not at in favor of replacing Mike.

He needs to draft better thats for sure, but he can coach.

We need help on both sides of the ball.

I know I'm known as a ratboy hater but, I admit he's a game time coach... that's all he should do. His other duties should be stripped away. Let the OC make the call from the booth and he calls it in that is it... Prepare the players and game plan during the week and then he should STFU... No more GM'ing

[Spider]

It won't make it better but, it is an option. The GM decisions and play calling are the root of the problems... you can't play defense without proper players... Bates inherited the players so the GM's... Shanarat / Sundquist own that debacle. shanahan also owns the legacy of a decade of bad defense and DC changes. So, fault lies squarely on his lap. I know it's been beat to death but... Cohwer and others are viable options.
Problem is like with Mobley , Al Wilson ,TD, Injuries that ended their career , those were some damn good picks , then finding Rod Smith , Now looks like Marshall , Cutler , and even Pears is showing some signs of playing well ..... Loosing Al Wilson was huge , you just dont replace a player like that in a year ...
If Cowher or some of the others could adjust , they would still be coaching , Steelers had some lean years under Cowher also .....

[The MVPlaya]

I'm going to try to be serious with you, unlike these other stupid ****s.

...

That has got to be the dumbest ****ing idea I've read.

We would waste Jay Cutler and all his talent. PERIOD.

:yayaya:

[Los Broncos]

I know I'm known as a ratboy hater but, I admit he's a game time coach... that's all he should do. His other duties should be stripped away. Let the OC make the call from the booth and he calls it in that is it... Prepare the players and game plan during the week and then he should STFU... No more GM'ing

That may be a good idea, but he wants his players hand picked by him.

[Maximus]

Problem is like with Mobley , Al Wilson ,TD, Injuries that ended their career , those were some damn good picks , then finding Rod Smith , Now looks like Marshall , Cutler , and even Pears is showing some signs of playing well ..... Loosing Al Wilson was huge , you just dont replace a player like that in a year ...
If Cowher or some of the others could adjust , they would still be coaching , Steelers had some lean years under Cowher also .....

True... But cohwer kept a stoudt defense. Pittsburgh never let up in that department. Cohwer finds players that nobody thought of and turns them into players. Remember when Lloyd left and he lost a couple of LB's... everyone though pittsburgh was on the decline... but cohwer kept them competitive.

[Maximus]

That may be a good idea, but he wants his players hand picked by him.

I've listened and commented on both sides and the only option seems to be taking away his extra responsibilities... If he's gonna stay!

[Northman]

I would rather have Boob and his 400lb hairlipped, crackhead mom jump on my balls until I bleed to death than have Bill Cowher coach. One super bowl with a great defense for 16 years, I will pass

:spit: Ha! LOL ROFL! ^5

[Spider]

True... But cohwer kept a stoudt defense. Pittsburgh never let up in that department. Cohwer finds players that nobody thought of and turns them into players. Remember when Lloyd left and he lost a couple of LB's... everyone though pittsburgh was on the decline... but cohwer kept them competitive.

so he kept a stout defense , that and .50 cents will get you a cup of coffee at truckstop in post season ....
right now our T.E.'s in the redzone really dont control , add to it the lack of power running game , our defense is fine to a point they wont win games for us , Denver hasnt had a defense do that in a long , long time , ball control and power running ..... keep the opposing offense on the bench drinking Gatorade is your best defense .......
we havent had that , due to our Oline and TE situation ......

[Dudeskey]

then finding Rod Smith .

Gotta give some credit to the Wade Phillips regime for picking him up although it was Shanahan who realized what he really had.

[Maximus]

so he kept a stout defense , that and .50 cents will get you a cup of coffee at truckstop in post season ....
right now our T.E.'s in the redzone really dont control , add to it the lack of power running game , our defense is fine to a point they wont win games for us , Denver hasnt had a defense do that in a long , long time , ball control and power running ..... keep the opposing offense on the bench drinking Gatorade is your best defense .......
we havent had that , due to our Oline and TE situation ......

Nutshell at the end... Your offensive line turned into the 2006 version of the Raiders. You have injuries etc and that has taken away from the playcallers ability to use the entire playbook in the redzone. Add to this the fact that Cutler is inconsistent and the offensive Coordinator is handcuffed. When the offense is handcuffed going 3 and out... your already porous defense is more vunerable... etc I know I'm a Raider Fan... I've experienced this **** since Gruden left!

Matter of fact when I found out your TE was gonna be out... I decided to come to the Chatroom... I knew it!

[Spider]

Ha! I see you hauled your ass out of the chat room real quick last night too... Ha! I was placing blame and you were nowhere to be found :D too damn funny.

Yeah , I left early decided instead of getting pissed over the game , I would spend time playing with my kids ;D

[Spider]

Nutshell at the end... Your offensive line turned into the 2006 version of the Raiders. You have injuries etc and that has taken away from the playcallers ability to use the entire playbook in the redzone. Add to this the fact that Cutler is inconsistent and the offensive Coordinator is handcuffed. When the offense is handcuffed going 3 and out... your already porous defense is more vunerable... etc I know I'm a Raider Fan... I've experienced this **** since Gruden left!

Matter of fact when I found out your TE was gonna be out... I decided to come to the Chatroom... I knew it!

;D I expect Cutler to be inconsistent , But I do believe he learns from every game ...... we do need a Shockley or a Dallas Clark type of TE ......... I really thought baby maker would give us the tough grinding out yardage , but he is either hurting his manginia or bruising his man breast .......

[Maximus]

Cutler is learning but, there are some seriously bad habits that need to be broken... If any coach needs to go it's the QB coach. Like I said he's learning but cutler reverts to his old style before adversity sets in.

[Spider]

Cutler is learning but, there are some seriously bad habits that need to be broken... If any coach needs to go it's the QB coach. Like I said he's learning but cutler reverts to his old style before adversity sets in.

Has there ever been the perfect QB ?

[Maximus]

Has there ever been the perfect QB ?

Never... but a few have been close. I'm not saying that Cutler needs to be perfect but, after 2 seasons he should be more mechanically sound. I've beat it to death already and you know it but, the kid is all arm and barely any follow through. The only way he seems to be able to get touch on the ball is to lean on that back foot. Most will say he's only been playing for 1 1/2 season.... but it's really 2 full seasons under a QB coach... this indicates that he's stubborn or the QB coach isn't getting through.

[Spider]

Never... but a few have been close. I'm not saying that Cutler needs to be perfect but, after 2 seasons he should be more mechanically sound. I've beat it to death already and you know it but, the kid is all arm and barely any follow through. The only way he seems to be able to get touch on the ball is to lean on that back foot. Most will say he's only been playing for 1 1/2 season.... but it's really 2 full seasons under a QB coach... this indicates that he's stubborn or the QB coach isn't getting through.

He hasnt played 2 full seasons yet ........Takes pretty close to 5 years to learn the WCO

[Maximus]

He hasnt played 2 full seasons yet ........Takes pretty close to 5 years to learn the WCO

Let me clarify... game play = 1 1/2 seasons coaching = 2 full seasons. Learning the offense takes a while but that's not the concern. He's smart enough to learn the offense. His problem is being consistent which goes to all aspects of his mechanics. Cutler is almost the same as he was last season in that department. I'm not talking about changing his throwing motion... I'm talking follow through and footwork. Now before you ask me I'll tell you... I consider the following near perfect QB's in the mechanics department:

1. Dan Marino
2. Peyton Manning
3. Joe Montana
4. Steve Young
5. John Elway
6. Dan Fouts
7. Tom Brady

and I'll take them in this order.

[Spider]

Let me clarify... game play = 1 1/2 seasons coaching = 2 full seasons. Learning the offense takes a while but that's not the concern. He's smart enough to learn the offense. His problem is being consistent which goes to all aspects of his mechanics. Cutler is almost the same as he was last season in that department. I'm not talking about changing his throwing motion... I'm talking follow through and footwork. Now before you ask me I'll tell you... I consider the following near perfect QB's in the mechanics department:

1. Dan Marino
2. Peyton Manning
3. Joe Montana
4. Steve Young
5. John Elway
6. Dan Fouts
7. Tom Brady

and I'll take them in this order.
what No B.Griese ;D

[Maximus]

what No B.Griese ;D

Ha! SOB... a complete mess! Frontal Lobotomy would have cured him!

[Spider]

Ha! SOB... a complete mess! Frontal Lobotomy would have cured him!

good discussion we had here , not enough name calling ;D but good talk . of course we both know I am right ;D

[Maximus]

Whatever... You've never been right...

[Spider]

Whatever... You've never been right...

ummmmmmm I am Bronco fan , that right there starts me off in the right direction ........

[Maximus]

Ha! here's what you were right about... the fugger that started this thread couldn't hang after the Old School Topic Jacking happened... fugger disappeared... On further notice I just had some left over Tuna :D

[DBroncos4life]

it took Cowher like 15 years to win the F'ing SB.

[ScottXray]

I wouldn't like to see Cowher here...I hated him when he was at Pitt, and hate him as a commentator. He IS a good defensive coach.

I would be all for stripping Shanny of his GM duties..but I doubt if he'd go for that....He LIKES having that power.

This season is a disaster...but I doubt we return to form (playoffs) next year...still WAY too many holes....and If Shanny gets to put any more quick fixes in place we will have more of this stuff next year. If that happens he needs to be fired after next season....but I'd bet he'll resign first. My bet is he cans Heimerdinger this year and maybe ST coach. He gives Bates another year...but will still not get him the players he needs.

Maybe Bowlen will get sick of Shanahans promises (weré only one or two players away) before then...otherwise we are going to be status quo next year...which means 7-9 or 8-8 again.

If I saw real progress I'd be happier...but frankly every hole that gets plugged leaves another one getting worse. Our best players are going to start leaving if this continues...Players want to win! That isn't happening in Denver anymore , which means they are going to try to go somewhere it does.

This makes me feel ill.

[Cito Pelon]

The more I look at the NFL, the more I see chemicals playing a big part in team succes, much like MLB. David Boston led the league in yards one year, and he was obviously juiced. I named names in other threads of guys that have standout years like men among boys and they're obviously juiced. Then you have the HGH guys in the NFL like in MLB. Rodney Harrison already admitted, but I see him on ESPN quoted as a stand-up, legitimate NFL player. Tom brady I saw throw a pass last week that he hadn't thrown in his whole NFL career until last week. That pass traveled 65 yards like a bullet. I see stuff like that, and I'm not stupid. I see a change in trajectory like that and I know there's some juicing. Brady couldn't throw a pass like that last year with a flat trajectory like that. I've seen Brady throw the long ball many times, and that pass was juiced.

I'm real, real close to looking at the NFL as I do pro wrestling or MLB - like a caricature of real competition. I have no interest in a league where cheaters make records and the poor slobs that compete on pure ability and desire look like bums.

[Cito Pelon]

Look at Strahan, went from a washed-up 12 year vet in 2005 to a guy that lost 40 pounds and was all muscle in 2006, all in six months. That's chemicals. Look at Jason Taylor. Washed up vet in 2005, Devensive MVP in 2006, that's chemicals.

[The MVPlaya]

Let me clarify... game play = 1 1/2 seasons coaching = 2 full seasons. Learning the offense takes a while but that's not the concern. He's smart enough to learn the offense. His problem is being consistent which goes to all aspects of his mechanics. Cutler is almost the same as he was last season in that department. I'm not talking about changing his throwing motion... I'm talking follow through and footwork. Now before you ask me I'll tell you... I consider the following near perfect QB's in the mechanics department:

1. Dan Marino
2. Peyton Manning
3. Joe Montana
4. Steve Young
5. John Elway
6. Dan Fouts
7. Tom Brady

and I'll take them in this order.

Do you know how long it took Peyton Manning to get his mechanics right? One thing Cutler can do better than Manning is is throw on the run. Cutler STILL hasn't gone through 2 seasons of full coaching. How about 1 season...he wasn't even getting reps in game or in practice his rookie year. That is complete bull**** to even use that against him.

Finding a way to hate...smh.

[Maximus]

Do you know how long it took Peyton Manning to get his mechanics right? One thing Cutler can do better than Manning is is throw on the run. Cutler STILL hasn't gone through 2 seasons of full coaching. How about 1 season...he wasn't even getting reps in game or in practice his rookie year. That is complete bull**** to even use that against him.

Finding a way to hate...smh.

Peyton Manning never had the plethora of problems with mechanics like Cutler. I'll give you mobility and that's it. He's been on the donks for 2 years and even if he's not taking snaps with the first or second team... QB coaches still worked with him. No matter how you slice it someone is supposed to be working with him... Defillipo has been working with Russell after before and during practice... So, its probably safe to assume the donkeys do the same.

[Maximus]

I wouldn't like to see Cowher here...I hated him when he was at Pitt, and hate him as a commentator. He IS a good defensive coach.

I would be all for stripping Shanny of his GM duties..but I doubt if he'd go for that....He LIKES having that power.



This is exactly why Cowher should be considered. He's a defensive coach who allowed his offensive coordinator (Wisenhunt)to call plays. Cowher got his team ready to play each week, they were physical and they never gave half hearted effort. The other reason is... Cowher wasn't concerned with trying to run personnel outside of his coaching staff. He was an excellent game planner he had a few bad years but mostly won consistently while at pittsburgh.

In a nutshell... if ratboy was to leave. The donks could bring in cowher a proven defensive coach who could finally fix your defense (which has been weak for at least 6 or 7 years) and get a coordinator to handle the offense during the game.

[elsid13]

;D I expect Cutler to be inconsistent , But I do believe he learns from every game ...... we do need a Shockley or a Dallas Clark type of TE ......... I really thought baby maker would give us the tough grinding out yardage , but he is either hurting his manginia or bruising his man breast .......

Scheffer is that guy Spider. The last 4 weeks he has become a force for Cutler. I not real worried about the pass game, my concern remains that inconstant rushing attack that occurring. I forgot how good a zone block scheme can look until I watched Houston play.

I leave it Med and BPC to confirm but it seems to me, that Denver run a lot more traps instead using the stretch play this season. And I will say this, I don't think Henry understand the zone blocking scheme, maybe it his injury but he really doesn't have much patience.

[elsid13]

This is exactly why Cowher should be considered. He's a defensive coach who allowed his offensive coordinator (Wisenhunt)to call plays. Cowher got his team ready to play each week, they were physical and they never gave half hearted effort. The other reason is... Cowher wasn't concerned with trying to run personnel outside of his coaching staff. He was an excellent game planner he had a few bad years but mostly won consistently while at pittsburgh.

In a nutshell... if ratboy was to leave. The donks could bring in cowher a proven defensive coach who could finally fix your defense (which has been weak for at least 6 or 7 years) and get a coordinator to handle the offense during the game.

Cowher has the following success pattern - play a weak schedule make the playoffs, then the next season when has strong season - he fails. Cowher benifits from the Pittsburgh effect.

[Hulamau]

I'd put money on Cowher coaching the Panthers next season.

Cowher's going to be a Eagle

[Hulamau]

I've listened and commented on both sides and the only option seems to be taking away his extra responsibilities... If he's gonna stay!

To a degree I agree Maximus, At least take away his defacto GM duties. And Id love to see a hot young OC and DC come in that has some fresh ideas and enough respect to learn from Shanny as well.

Bowlen has to have the balls to realize Shanny is mediocre at best at picking DCs and even most defensive draft picks and take that out of his hands for the most part. He can get someone Shanny likes but not have him fall in love with another old fart like Coyer or Bates.

These guys are even more stale than Shanny and clearly never had that something extra to warrant becoming a head coach all these years before the opportunity passed them by. Go with a bright young guy with a good track record and the moxie and energy to pull it off ...and young enough to realistically relate to the defensive players as well which Bate's and Coyer never could in a million years except as some geezer grandpa!.

Id say when you start needing Viagra for breakfast each day just to get it up its time to step down from testosterone heavy sports like football :-)!

I'd love to see Shanny stick around under those circumstances.

[Rohirrim]

I hate Cowher. Spluttering, spitting, big gaping jaw flapping like a carp on a carcass. BLECH! I couldn't stand to look at the idiot when he was in Pitt.

[Hulamau]

Nutshell at the end... Your offensive line turned into the 2006 version of the Raiders. You have injuries etc and that has taken away from the playcallers ability to use the entire playbook in the redzone. Add to this the fact that Cutler is inconsistent and the offensive Coordinator is handcuffed. When the offense is handcuffed going 3 and out... your already porous defense is more vunerable... etc I know I'm a Raider Fan... I've experienced this **** since Gruden left!

Matter of fact when I found out your TE was gonna be out... I decided to come to the Chatroom... I knew it!

Right for the most part, but if you look closer Maximus Cutler has NOT been inconsistent. In fact, for the most part he's been one of the few guys that has played well most every game and has gotten better over the course of the season.

Even against the Texans, save for a few errant passes, he played very well, particularly considering he was getting harassed constantly after Graham went out. Not having 89 and Stokley on the field along with a few timely dropped passes like the one Marshall dropped in the end zone is what stalled the offense this game.

His worst game was the second Raider game in my view and still he wasn't terrible.

This guy is going to be all world and with a little luck and a healthy O line and WRs for a season ... watch out! We do need either a new tackle and our Graham healthy though and I'm glad Graham will be back the next few years at least.

With Graham there, Cutler has way more time and Mario maybe gets one sack tops and perhaps two for the whole game for the Texans and who knows what might have been.

Your analysis is pretty good, but to tighten it up you've got to look elsewhere than Cutler for our offensive woes. JC's one weak spot has been getting fooled by LB's dropping back into coverage and trusting his arm a little too much in some of those passes, but he's learning quick and even the last two games you see that.

I suspect he'll drop his INT's by at least a third if not by half next year and add an extra 13 to 18TD's on top of it for a very solid season.

[telluride]

I'm going to try to be serious with you, unlike these other stupid ****s.

...

That has got to be the dumbest ****ing idea I've read.

We would waste Jay Cutler and all his talent. PERIOD.

:yayaya:

Wake up. We are wasting Jay Cutler and all his talent. PERIOD.

[theAPAOps5]

This season is like Christmas for Telluride. He has so much to just doom and gloom about. Its his favorite time of the year.

[telluride]

This season is like Christmas for Telluride. He has so much to just doom and gloom about. Its his favorite time of the year.

Nope, preseason is. I'm all hope and sunshine. Then Shanny screws up another season and I get all dour. One playoff win in ten years. One! And you fan-boys still can't acknowledge that something is very wrong.

[smalltowngrll]

The search feature is on the top right of your screen. It works quite well!

Use existing threads! Same discussion. Different day! (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=63497&highlight=Cowher+Coach) ;D

[Eldorado]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/Javadran/die-thread.jpg

Winnahhh!! Ok. Im done reading this thread now, thank you. :afro:

[manchambo]

I kind of regret using Cowher as an example. I don't feel strongly about him one way or another. My point was far more to say that a change might be necessary to reenergize a team that at this point has zero swagger or competitive fire, than to advocate or debate the merits of any particular coach.

[wolf754life]

shannahan is stil a good coach, but not here, not now, not anymore in denver, time to blow it up, start over from the ground up...........

[Inkana7]

shannahan is stil a good coach, but not here, not now, not anymore in denver, time to blow it up, start over from the ground up...........

I think it's safe to say that you annoy me.

[Broncojef]

Agree his GM powers need to be stripped and when that happens I think Shanny looks elsewhere. If Bowlen goes to fix the squad he must be ready for Shanny's departure as we've all seen he has a rather large ego when it comes to his personell decisions. I don't care if its cowher or anyone else, I think we need a change. I'd hate to cheer against Shanahan hes a good guy but I think even he knows his days are numbered and will more than likely do the step down here soon. BTW thanks for calling people on the stupid food calls...talk Broncos.

[Inkana7]

Agree his GM powers need to be stripped and when that happens I think Shanny looks elsewhere. If Bowlen goes to fix the squad he must be ready for Shanny's departure as we've all seen he has a rather large ego when it comes to his personell decisions. I don't care if its cowher or anyone else, I think we need a change. I'd hate to cheer against Shanahan hes a good guy but I think even he knows his days are numbered and will more than likely do the step down here soon. BTW thanks for calling people on the stupid food calls...talk Broncos.

There are like 3 other threads made before this one discussing the same topic, including one with Cowher in the title, and about 13 others where wolf754life chimes in with "new head coach?" like a retard. The foodjacking is just a commentary on how stupid this is.

[Bladerunner]

Wanting to replace Shanahan with Bill Cowher is laughably ironic. Cowher is a guy who spent the better part of two decades putting together competetive football teams. They didn't make the Super Bowl even once prior to his last year. He's only remembered for his second to last season. He wasn't, isn't, and won't be a better coach than Mike Shanahan. Shanahan has a higher winning percentage, more Super Bowl appearances, and more Super Bowl victories than Bill Cowher, all in less time as a head coach.

Those of you who are calling for his coming to Denver are the same gutless fools that would have been calling for his head in Pittsburgh (were you Steeler fans) after his team failed to make the playoffs the year after winning the Super Bowl.

There is a name for franchises that go through coaches like RBs through our D-line, they are called the Raiders or the Lions, or the Cardinals...it ain't pretty, and we don't want it here in Denver. There aren't that many truly good coaches in the NFL, Mike Shanahan is one. He certainly wasn't at his best this season, but finding an equal or superior replacement would be exceedingly difficult and it wouldn't involve bringing in Bill Cowher.

[Broncojef]

There are like 3 other threads made before this one discussing the same topic, including one with Cowher in the title, and about 13 others where wolf754life chimes in with "new head coach?" like a retard. The foodjacking is just a commentary on how stupid this is.

I love the thread police, this really just pisses on your weekend doesn't it?

[Inkana7]

Wanting to replace Shanahan with Bill Cowher is laughably ironic. Cowher is a guy who spent the better part of two decades putting together competetive football teams. They didn't make the Super Bowl even once prior to his last year. He's only remembered for his second to last season. He wasn't, isn't, and won't be a better coach than Mike Shanahan. Shanahan has a higher winning percentage, more Super Bowl appearances, and more Super Bowl victories than Bill Cowher, all in less time as a head coach.

Those of you who are calling for his coming to Denver are the same gutless fools that would have been calling for his head in Pittsburgh (were you Steeler fans) after his team failed to make the playoffs the year after winning the Super Bowl.

There is a name for franchises that go through coaches like RBs through our D-line, they are called the Raiders or the Lions, or the Cardinals...it ain't pretty, and we don't want it here in Denver. There aren't that many truly good coaches in the NFL, Mike Shanahan is one. He certainly wasn't at his best this season, but finding an equal or superior replacement would be exceedingly difficult and it wouldn't involve bringing in Bill Cowher.

Great post, except for the fact that Cowher and Shanny both went to two Super Bowls. Pittsburgh went to the Bowl in 1995 and lost to the Cowboys.

[Inkana7]

I love the thread police, this really just pisses on your weekend doesn't it?

At least I don't get uptight over foodjacking. It's fun, see, fun. Try having some sometime.

[Broncojef]

Wanting to replace Shanahan with Bill Cowher is laughably ironic. Cowher is a guy who spent the better part of two decades putting together competetive football teams. They didn't make the Super Bowl even once prior to his last year. He's only remembered for his second to last season. He wasn't, isn't, and won't be a better coach than Mike Shanahan. Shanahan has a higher winning percentage, more Super Bowl appearances, and more Super Bowl victories than Bill Cowher, all in less time as a head coach.

Those of you who are calling for his coming to Denver are the same gutless fools that would have been calling for his head in Pittsburgh (were you Steeler fans) after his team failed to make the playoffs the year after winning the Super Bowl.

There is a name for franchises that go through coaches like RBs through our D-line, they are called the Raiders or the Lions, or the Cardinals...it ain't pretty, and we don't want it here in Denver. There aren't that many truly good coaches in the NFL, Mike Shanahan is one. He certainly wasn't at his best this season, but finding an equal or superior replacement would be exceedingly difficult and it wouldn't involve bringing in Bill Cowher.

Better check your facts, SuperBowls AFC Championship games, playoffs...I'm not saying Cowher needs to replace Shanahan only that his coaching skills while losing top notch talent year in and year out were stellar.

[Broncojef]

At least I don't get uptight over foodjacking. It's fun, see, fun. Try having some sometime.

Talking about absolute nonsense to another boardmembers topic is fun but whining about another thread is Ok. Whatever your sense of fun is enjoy it. I applaud maximus for calling you food folk out. talk Broncos.

[Blueflame]

It won't make it better but, it is an option. The GM decisions and play calling are the root of the problems... you can't play defense without proper players... Bates inherited the players so the GM's... Shanarat / Sundquist own that debacle. shanahan also owns the legacy of a decade of bad defense and DC changes. So, fault lies squarely on his lap. I know it's been beat to death but... Cohwer and others are viable options.

If it won't make it better, then why do it, Max? Change simply for the sake of change? That's been done.... unsuccessfully... in Oakland and other NFL cities.

Bates did not "inherit" players like Sam Adams and Simeon Rice (expensive busts who did not play up to expectations, contributed precious little and are no longer with the team).

[theAPAOps5]

Talking about absolute nonsense to another boardmembers topic is fun but whining about another thread is Ok. Whatever your sense of fun is enjoy it. I applaud maximus for calling you food folk out. talk Broncos.

Yeah because food jacks happen so frequently. This was jacked because it was thread number 3,000 on the topic. How many to we need on it? Use existing threads. Unless its too hard for you to search for those and can only see whats in front of you then use the 4 that are on top every day. Its stupid to post the same thing over and over and over.

[manchambo]

Yeah because food jacks happen so frequently. This was jacked because it was thread number 3,000 on the topic. How many to we need on it? Use existing threads. Unless its too hard for you to search for those and can only see whats in front of you then use the 4 that are on top every day. Its stupid to post the same thing over and over and over.

Are we running out of space for threads? Is this distracting from more important threads about what the Broncos need to do to lose by less than 20 in their next game? How to bring peace to the middle east?

This stuff about there already being other threads on the subject is a load of crap. What you really mean is that you don't agree with the points raised in the thread, and it puts sand in your clam to have people talk about it.

[elsid13]

Are we running out of space for threads? Is this distracting from more important threads about what the Broncos need to do to lose by less than 20 in their next game? How to bring peace to the middle east?

This stuff about there already being other threads on the subject is a load of crap. What you really mean is that you don't agree with the points raised in the thread, and it puts sand in your clam to have people talk about it.

No were not running out of space, but is this thread so special or different that you cannot on another thread about the same subject???

[wolf754life]

its time to get back to fundamentals, blocking, tackling, special teams, in order to do that you need someone with a fresh voice. Is starts with personnel, a long tenured GM who can come in and draft solid fundamental talent that will compliment the approach of the new coaching staff.

Cutler is a huge get, I will give shanny credit on that, but he has left us so thin at so many positions its time for him to go. I would be in favor of him just coaching but we ALL know that will never happen.

[theAPAOps5]

Are we running out of space for threads? Is this distracting from more important threads about what the Broncos need to do to lose by less than 20 in their next game? How to bring peace to the middle east?

This stuff about there already being other threads on the subject is a load of crap. What you really mean is that you don't agree with the points raised in the thread, and it puts sand in your clam to have people talk about it.

No its just retarded to start thread after thread about the same thing. There are 3 faction here we know who they are. There are the Cowher is God morons, the Shanny the coach sucks, morons, and there is the Shanny the GM should go realists.

I for one think Shanny has made a lousy GM. I think if he devoted all his time to it he could be good. But its hurt his coaching and his coaching has hurt his GM status. Its become too consuming for him to do both. Its the Bill Walsh model that Shanny learned but Bill Walsh himself regretted leaving as early as he did.

Now days with talent you really need a GM who has a say in personnel decisions who hires a staff that evaluates what the coach needs and persues that. The coach should answer to the GM he should answer to the owner. The GM should answer to the owner. It separates power. I gurantee if Shanny was left to being the head coach where he could spend his time doing what he does best this team would grow in leaps and bounds.

I also gurantee that there was a GM solely responsible for player research they would excel. I think the old days of the pyramid structure of Owner, GM, Coach is out dated.

If the GM and the Coach were on an equal level there would be no threat or power hunger. Its a team approach where they work together.

Thats what I envision but thats me and I know Shanny won't go for that but if he leaves and it makes it better than so be it. But I refuse to call for Shanny the coach to leave. Its ludicrous.

[theAPAOps5]

its time to get back to fundamentals, blocking, tackling, special teams, in order to do that you need someone with a fresh voice. Is starts with personnel, a long tenured GM who can come in and draft solid fundamental talent that will compliment the approach of the new coaching staff.

Cutler is a huge get, I will give shanny credit on that, but he has left us so thin at so many positions its time for him to go. I would be in favor of him just coaching but we ALL know that will never happen.

I agree with you 100% as my post right after yours echoed that. Corporations blow up hierarchy all the time. Maybe Denver should try it. But Shanny is a Walsh deciple he won't go for that.

[Spider]

Scheffer is that guy Spider. The last 4 weeks he has become a force for Cutler. I not real worried about the pass game, my concern remains that inconstant rushing attack that occurring. I forgot how good a zone block scheme can look until I watched Houston play.

I leave it Med and BPC to confirm but it seems to me, that Denver run a lot more traps instead using the stretch play this season. And I will say this, I don't think Henry understand the zone blocking scheme, maybe it his injury but he really doesn't have much patience.

Scheff can catch , run decent patterns , but blocking .. I still think he needs alot of work there ....... I wouldnt care so much if we had a Howard Griffith FB on the roster .......

[elsid13]

Scheff can catch , run decent patterns , but blocking .. I still think he needs alot of work there ....... I wouldnt care so much if we had a Howard Griffith FB on the roster .......

The other two guys you mentioned - Dallas Clark and Shocky- aren't great blockers either. But they are good for control the center of the field which Scheffer can do.

[Spider]

The other two guys you mentioned - Dallas Clark and Shocky- aren't great blockers either. But they are good for control the center of the field which Scheffer can do.
I thought Clark was ..........

[elsid13]

I thought Clark was ..........

He usually split wide when they go with two TE approach.

[Maximus]

If it won't make it better, then why do it, Max? Change simply for the sake of change? That's been done.... unsuccessfully... in Oakland and other NFL cities.

Bates did not "inherit" players like Sam Adams and Simeon Rice (expensive busts who did not play up to expectations, contributed precious little and are no longer with the team).

It's interesting that you bring up making changes for the sake of change. Isn't that what shanarat has been doing with his assistant coaches. Isn't getting rid of bates the prevaling line of thought on OM? Bates should be allowed to mold his defense with his players... and in order for him to do that he needs a say in who is brought in. Everyone here knows that shanahan is controlling who's on the roster and bates has to deal with his mistakes. Coyer was changed out just for change sake... Was it coyers fault that he faced the colts and the defense got torched? Coyer had a defense that was good enough to take the donks to the playoffs but, ratboy wanted change... why? Why not bring in better players and keep a good coordinator?

The spotlight is clearly on shanarat and his blind followers. How is saying shanahan should be removed .... making change for the sake of change and why is it ok to remove bates when it's obvious he's handicapped with many subpar players? Finally, how do you know it won't make the situation better?

[theAPAOps5]

Maximus you actually have had some decent posts in here. I wish there was a way that Bowlen could split the power and still apease Shanny. He is an offensive genius but he needs to focus on that soley. Let someone else handle getting him his players. But it isn't going to happen we all know that. Eventually something has to change though.

[TomServo]

Cowher is a guy who spent the better part of two decades putting together competetive football teams. They didn't make the Super Bowl even once prior to his last year.

someone already corrected your mistake but ill do it again. Cowher got his teams to the SB the same number as shanny.
do i want him as broncos coach? Hell No . he was gifted his SB win.
consider this. if anyone wants to make this a thread question be my guest. in fact i will after this post. what bronco streak will likely end next year?(ok 2009 officially)
a bronco team in the SB every decade since the 70's