It takes more than a strong arm to be an NFL QB

[crazyhorse]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance

[ohiobronco2]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance

Why do you even come on here? You know what you are stating is complete non sense. There is a major difference in personel on the offensive and defensive lines for both teams, both which favor the Texans. Cutler is a fine quarterback and a helluva lot better than Sage. If we ever give our quarterback some protection, he will make any defense look like a Chief defense.

[DukeWoody]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance


So if you were a GM seeking a QB for your team and Cut along with Sage were both available, you would without a doubt take Sage...is that correct??

[crazyhorse]

So if you were a GM seeking a QB for your team and Cut along with Sage were available you would without a doubt take Sage...is that correct??


Is that what I said?

[DukeWoody]

Is that what I said?

Yes or No, pick one..cuz it sure does come across that way...

[crazyhorse]

Why do you even come on here? You know what you are stating is complete non sense. There is a major difference in personel on the offensive and defensive lines for both teams, both which favor the Texans. Cutler is a fine quarterback and a helluva lot better than Sage. If we ever give our quarterback some protection, he will make any defense look like a Chief defense.

Every word of my post is 100% correct.

All QBs with ultimate protection can pick apart a defense. Cutler was throwing downfield into coverage several times. Most of his throws were rocket balls.

There was a disinct difference in the two QBs last night. Who knows, maybe Cutler will be the best QB of all time. But he certainly isn't right now. Fact is Rosenfels looked like the better QB. Protection included.

[crazyhorse]

Yes or No, pick one..cuz it sure does come across that way...

How about niether.

Are you saying Roenfels didn't out perform Cutler? Because it sure comes across that way.

[521 1N5]

oh snap :)

[Ray Finkle]

Every word of my post is 100% correct.

All QBs with ultimate protection can pick apart a defense. Cutler was throwing downfield into coverage several times. Most of his throws were rocket balls.

There was a disinct difference in the two QBs last night. Who knows, maybe Cutler will be the best QB of all time. But he certainly isn't right now. Fact is Rosenfels looked like the better QB. Protection included.

Sage has been in the league for more then 5 years....Cutler is in his 2 year....


By your logic, Collins is twice the QB Croyle is....

[crazyhorse]

Sage has been in the league for more then 5 years....Cutler is in his 2 year....


By your logic, Collins is twice the QB Croyle is....

Umm.......you've obviously read something out of context.

[s0phr0syne]

haven't watched the game yet, but all you're saying is that the quarterback whose team won looked better last night--wow! what a great ****ing observation.

That's really all your post has to say. But of course it's all in the wording, and you being who you are, always decide to choose the diction that will provoke the most response from this board's users. And then you follow that up with a bunch of smart@ss replies to get everyone riled up. great job man, you're awesome.


And the last time I checked, Cutler was playing against the Texans' defense. Like I said, I still haven't seen the game, but unless Cutler was in the Denver secondary, there's really no way that Rosenfals could "take him to school".


Please run along now.

[chrisp]

I seem to remember that Cutler looked a lot better than Rosenfels last time he faced the chief's D....something we should not forget when cheify trolls turn up spouting nonsense....

[crazyhorse]

haven't watched the game yet, but all you're saying is that the quarterback whose team won looked better last night--wow! what a great ****ing observation.

That's really all your post has to say. But of course it's all in the wording, and you being who you are, always decide to choose the diction that will provoke the most response from this board's users. And then you follow that up with a bunch of smart@ss replies to get everyone riled up. great job man, you're awesome.


And the last time I checked, Cutler was playing against the Texans' defense. Like I said, I still haven't seen the game, but unless Cutler was in the Denver secondary, there's really no way that Rosenfals could "take him to school".


Please run along now.

I think you're underestimating me. I could have been much more abrassive in this thread.

I suggest you watch the game.

[crazyhorse]

I seem to remember that Cutler looked a lot better than Rosenfels last time he faced the chief's D....something we should not forget when cheify trolls turn up spouting nonsense....

What nonsense? Are you saying that all it takes is a strong arm? Or that Jay played well? or perhaps Rosenfels didn't put better touch on the ball?

[Raiders Rock]

Sage has been in the league for more then 5 years....Cutler is in his 2 year....


By your logic, Collins is twice the QB Croyle is....

Cutler has started more games than Rosenfels has though

[eddie mac]

Crazy ever think he was rocketing it or throwing into coverage because we only had 1 receiver and a TE last night???

Stokley out, Graham down, Walker may as well have not been out there.

Kinda difficult to find a receiver when the only one you have left or right is blanket covered.

How'd he do last week against that excellent Chief Defensive Line and DB's???

[no-pseudo-fan]

The pressure was in Cutler's face all night. Sage didn't outplay Cutler, Texas D-line outplayed Denver's O-line. Sage for all the time he had looked ok, not great.

[Maximus]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance

Great assessment, one play that sticks out is the pass to Scheffler. Cutler rolled out to his right had all day to throw the ball... no pressure in sight at all... and he threw it off his back foot... the kid is a mess! The most telling comment came last week... The kid will try to throw a strawberry through a battleship!

[RhymesayersDU]

ROFL @ this thread.

The guy is young. Young QBs routinely make stupid throws. This just in, water is also wet.

Look, he definitely made ill advised throws, and he's going to continue to do that. But he'll learn.

[Ratboy]

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Lovely!

[crazyhorse]

The pressure was in Cutler's face all night. Sage didn't outplay Cutler, Texas D-line outplayed Denver's O-line. Sage for all the time he had looked ok, not great.


That sounds like a great excuse. But I have to ask you, with all the pressure, how many time did Cutler throw the ball away in last nights game? I cant remember once, off the top of my head. Instead, he forced the ball into triple coverage in the end zone on one drive. Threw the ball into the hands of another defender inside the 30 on another drive, and bounce the ball off a defenders hands at least 2 other times in the game.

Fact is, his decisions were very poor.

[crazyhorse]

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Lovely!

This message is a little goofy because I am clicking on threads from posters on my own ignore list.

LOL

Dumbass.

[Maximus]

ROFL @ this thread.

The guy is young. Young QBs routinely make stupid throws. This just in, water is also wet.

Look, he definitely made ill advised throws, and he's going to continue to do that. But he'll learn.

It's not the stupid throws... young QB's are expected to do that. I would be concerned with why he throws the way he does. It looks like he's never been coached. The only way he knows how to take steam off of the ball is by throwing off balance... that shiat won't cut it in the nfl. The scheffler pass is a prime example...

BTW the Lakers whipped your nuggets again :rofl:

[Maximus]

:rofl: This message is a little goofy because I am clicking on threads from posters on my own ignore list.

LOL

Dumbass.

That's why they don't understand... they ignore the truth

[Inkana7]

Idiot.

[Raiders Rock]

I like it when they hide from me.... use ignore = u lose

[Ray Finkle]

Umm.......you've obviously read something out of context.

You said Sage was the better QB last night correct? He has been in the league longer....

Collins against the Bears last week looked better then Croyle, I used the same analogy....what part don't you get?

[Raiders Rock]

I don't think it was the QB at all, I think the Mules let the wrong coach go to the Texans.
The Student absolutely owned the Teacher

[crazyhorse]

You said Sage was the better QB last night correct? He has been in the league longer....

Collins against the Bears last week looked better then Croyle, I used the same analogy....what part don't you get?

Oh.....I get it.

Collins last week was better than Croyle. Just like Rosenfels was better than Cutler.

I'm just waiting for you to get it.

[bloodsunday]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance

You do have a point. HOWEVER, it was Cutler that took Croyle to school last week. Why? Because Denver had the better running game and played from ahead the whole game.

Funny thing in the NFL. The team that runs the ball better and plays with the lead almost always has the better looking QB. Did you watch Peyton in that game against San Diego? He plays terrible from behind as well. Gets frustrated, makes bad decisions and loses patience.

[Inkana7]

Oh.....I get it.

Collins last week was better than Croyle. Just like Rosenfels was better than Cutler.

I'm just waiting for you to get it.

Go away.

[sixtimeseight]

Wow, took a whole week (4 days) for the KC trolls to come crawling out of their holes. Wonder why they disappeared?

Oh yea, 41-7.

[Spider]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance
LOL so if you was GM of a team and Cut and Sage were both available , you would pick Sage ......... ROFL! you got some King Karl in you son ROFL!

[The MVPlaya]

lol you definitely don't know how to watch football. Sage's performance was based solely on a poor Denver defense along with great execution by Kubiak. Kind of like how Plummer looked in 2005.

So when Peyton Manning threw 6 ints this year, Philip Rivers definitely outperformed him...let's start comparing the two.

Lol @ Cutler throwing into coverage...yeah that WILL HAPPEN when you're running trying to make a play. I know you have seen it in a while, but our QB actually tries to make plays when nothing is there and he usually has a high success rate.

Anyways, your post holds no weight as Cutler had a better QB rating along with 69% passing.

Dumbass haha

[DBroncos4life]

Cutler was sacked 5 times to Sage's 0. Weird that the team that failed to get pressure on a QB and got out rushed 2 to 1 lost a game in the NFL. He completed just under 70% of his passes and had a 95 QB rating. Sage completed just under 60% of his passes and had a 79 QB rating.

[bloodsunday]

Lol @ Cutler throwing into coverage...yeah that WILL HAPPEN when you're running trying to make a play.

And you only have one healthy WR. Other than Marshall, who was he going to throw to... Chad Mustard? Glen Martinez?

[SoonerBronco]

I have never seen a more shiny collection of turds in one thread.

The dooshbaggery level is off the charts!

[Smiling Assassin27]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance

I can't find anything wrong with this statement. Cutler isn't ready for prime time yet and, to me, took a step backwards last night with some plummer-like tendencies.

Couple that with the coaching staff completely botching this game in every possible way (play selection, clock management--we wasted 1:36 of the end of the first half, formation--chad mustard alone on mario williams??) and you get what we got--a sound butt kicking.

Excuses only satisfy those who make them. Cutler has the future ahead, but
he looked lost out there.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

If Cutler were playing for the Texans and Sage for the Broncos last night, Houston still wins and the numbers for Cutler would be FAR better than they were for Sage.

Crazyhorse is a ****ing idiot that makes a statement he can't back up.

[-Slap-]

Mind boggling that people continue to get hooked by this troll.

[Beantown Bronco]

Excuses only satisfy those who make them. Cutler has the future ahead, but
he looked lost out there.

who wouldn't look lost when he is being blitzed incessantly and none of his WRs have the smarts to break off their routes, turn around, and look for the ball. They all continue on their merry way 20 yards downfield.

People comment about how Jay doesn't audible, but I don't think the WRs would have a clue what he was audibling to anyway.

[Orange_Beard]

Cutler looked pretty damm good last week. He took Brode to school.

Looked like the opposite of last week, one QBhad all the time in the world, the other was running for his life.....you figure it out and apply your logic.

[400HZ]

It shouldn't really be shocking that a young quarterback has some up days and some down days during their development.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Stop feeding.... well you know.

[BMF Bronco]

Cutler was sacked 5 times to Sage's 0. Weird that the team that failed to get pressure on a QB and got out rushed 2 to 1 lost a game in the NFL. He completed just under 70% of his passes and had a 95 QB rating. Sage completed just under 60% of his passes and had a 79 QB rating.

Come on now DB4, you know we can't let get solid facts in the way of "logic"! Sage was good in the 1st and 4th quarters, that's it, at one point, the douche bag commentators even pointed out how rosenfels was 5-16 or something like that!

[BlaK-Argentina]

who wouldn't look lost when he is being blitzed incessantly and none of his WRs have the smarts to break off their routes, turn around, and look for the ball. They all continue on their merry way 20 yards downfield.

People comment about how Jay doesn't audible, but I don't think the WRs would have a clue what he was audibling to anyway.

Exactly, Smiling Assassin is way off IMO.

Jay and Brandon where the ONLY players that actually tried to win the game last night. Hard to do it with 20 guys playing against you. Jay was clearly pissed at the rest of the team.

BTW this thread just SCREAMS one word: Envy.

[Northman]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance


Wow. Just when i thought you couldnt get any dumber.

[Bronx33]

ROFL @ this thread.

The guy is young. Young QBs routinely make stupid throws. This just in, water is also wet.

Look, he definitely made ill advised throws, and he's going to continue to do that. But he'll learn.


End of story (shut her down)

[Hotrod]

Personally I'm going with a 3 egg omlet with ham & mushrooms.

[Bronx33]

I got some leftover (homemade green chili)

[BMF Bronco]

I got some leftover (homemade green chili)

haha, hey, that's what I have for lunch! Mom made homemade tortillas, beans and green chili last night! Man I tell ya, it's the best mexican you can get around these parts!

[SoDak Bronco]

I had a glazed donut from casey's...

[lod01]

Every word of my post is 100% correct.

All QBs with ultimate protection can pick apart a defense. Cutler was throwing downfield into coverage several times. Most of his throws were rocket balls.

There was a disinct difference in the two QBs last night. Who knows, maybe Cutler will be the best QB of all time. But he certainly isn't right now. Fact is Rosenfels looked like the better QB. Protection included.

Yeah and Brett Favre threw 6 INT's to St. loius a few years back. Every QB has bad games. Cutler is the best QB in the 2006 draft and it's not even close between him and Leinart. Young can't be included because he totally blows.

As a matter of fact, Cutler is the best QB to come out since C. Palmer.

Exactly what is your point?

[Garcia Bronco]

I wouldn't say young blows.

[Rashomon]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

Jay was throwing falling backwards half the night. The longer the the Broncos were trailing, the harder he threw it.

I know Bronco fans are enamored with his arm, but Rosenfels took him to school last night.

The only Bronco to make the trip to Houston was Marshall. He was excellent. The rest should be ashamed of thier performance

I can see why you are enamored with Rosenfels, with his 200 yds, 60% completion percentage, 1 TD and 1 INT, because he looked far better than Croyle has looked at any time in his career. Maybe someday Croyle will break that magical 200 yard mark in a game. :wiggle:

KC should trade their 1st round pick to Houston for Rosenfels, because he is already better than any POS QB on the KC roster can ever hope to be.

[bpc]

Anybody that responds to this is retarded.

What the hell would crazy ho, a Chefs fan, know about QB play? Trent Green was average at best and tell me the last time KC had a good QB play for them?

HE WOULDN'T KNOW. Avoid this thread like the plague and don't waste anymore time on it. Cutler is on his way to a great career. We just need players healthy around him.

[-Slap-]

I had a glazed donut from casey's...

Someone brought Einstein Bros bagels into the office today.

!Booya!

[BMF Bronco]

I can see why you are enamored with Rosenfels, with his 200 yds, 60% completion percentage, 1 TD and 1 INT, because he looked far better than Croyle has looked at any time in his career. Maybe someday Croyle will break that magical 200 yard mark in a game. :wiggle:

KC should trade their 1st round pick to Houston for Rosenfels, because he is already better than any POS QB on the KC roster can ever hope to be.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=3147842&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1

dude, you're not bull****ting either, Rosenfels #43>Croyle#47 & Huard#49

LOL Hilarious! LOL Hilarious! LOL Hilarious! LOL

[AboveAverage]

Crazyhorse - Die in a fire.

[Eldorado]

Anybody that responds to this is retarded.

What the hell would crazy ho, a Chefs fan, know about QB play? Trent Green was average at best and tell me the last time KC had a good QB play for them?

HE WOULDN'T KNOW. Avoid this thread like the plague and don't waste anymore time on it. Cutler is on his way to a great career. We just need players healthy around him.

dammit, now im retarded too.. bacon egg and cheddar from moes..mmmmm

[Fedaykin]

Though the rocket balls look cool and all, it takes some touch and good decisions to be a good QB in the NFL. Rosenfels looked like the better QB last night.

You are such an idiot it's not even funny. Look at the ratings:

Cutler: 95.5
Rosenfels: 79

The reason we lost last night is very clear. We lost on the ground, not in the air. Our on the ground yardage was pathetic. We only gained 61 yards from our backs and no rushing TD. The Texans gained 158 with 3 rushing TD.

A big part of that difference is the quality of our lines. Our OL played like crap. The thing that shows Cutler IS a good QB is that even with crappy OL play (Cutler got sacked 5 times!) and most of the receiving core injured and/or out Cutler put up a top 10 QB rating. The run game didn't overcome that same crappy OL play.

You know, I can really tell when people are jealous of Cutler, it's when they make dumb **** remarks like you did. You're clearly swimming in envy, and that makes this loss a bit easier to stomach.

[lod01]

Anybody that responds to this is retarded.

What the hell would crazy ho, a Chefs fan, know about QB play? Trent Green was average at best and tell me the last time KC had a good QB play for them?

HE WOULDN'T KNOW. Avoid this thread like the plague and don't waste anymore time on it. Cutler is on his way to a great career. We just need players healthy around him.

This tard is a Chiefs fan? No wonder he posted this manure straight out of his mouth. HERMINATED!!!!

[BMF Bronco]

This tard is a Chiefs fan? No wonder he posted this manure straight out of his mouth. HERMINATED!!!!

sho'nuff

[BlaK-Argentina]

You know, I can really tell when people are jealous of Cutler, it's when they make dumb **** remarks like you did. You're clearly swimming in envy, and that makes this loss a bit easier to stomach.

Exactly. Every damn rival fan that posted in this thread wishes they had Jay Cutler as the QB of their team.

RR with his stupid back foot comments, Crazyhorse with his moronic Rosenfels > Cutler argument, and you bet Chargers fans would trade Rivers for him in a minute. Let's see what you have to say when we finally surround him with a good supporting cast (o-line) and respectable defense. That's when he'll be a top 3 QB and probably have a SB ring in his finger, while you guys are still picking in the top 10 every year. :-*

[lex]

The premise for this whole thread is nonsense. Jay had a couple of touch passes that were narrowly deflected and at least one of them was when his feet werent set. Just think. Cutler threw the ball to Marshall 10 times in the first half and they still werent stopping him. If you know a guy is getting fed like that and the QB is still finding the mark, thats not so bad. It wasnt his best game but its not at all like its being portrayed here. The biggest difference in the game was the struggle of our line (on both sides).

[Los Broncos]

Sage looked good because he had all day to throw.

[Maximus]

Exactly. Every damn rival fan that posted in this thread wishes they had Jay Cutler as the QB of their team.



Ha! This couldn't be further from the truth. Cutler may have gone to vandy but, at this point he isn't living up to the reputation of being smart. Cutler is either basket weaving smart or the donks have a ****ty QB coach. Cutler has some terrible habits and I'm beginning to wonder if he will break out of them or if he's too stubborn to take coaching.

He can be a good QB in the future but right now I wouldn't want him even if he proves he can throw a strawberry through a battleship!

[ohiobronco2]

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I don't have you on ignore, just stating the obvious.

[sirhcyennek81]

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I don't have you on ignore, just stating the obvious.


QFT.


:Broncos:

[Maximus]

This message is hidden because ohiobronco2 is on your ignore list.

Because you don't know **** about football

[Bronx33]

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[Hotrod]

This message is hidden because Maximus can't take it.

LOL

[BlaK-Argentina]

Ha! This couldn't be further from the truth. Cutler may have gone to vandy but, at this point he isn't living up to the reputation of being smart. Cutler is either basket weaving smart or the donks have a ****ty QB coach. Cutler has some terrible habits and I'm beginning to wonder if he will break out of them or if he's too stubborn to take coaching.

He can be a good QB in the future but right now I wouldn't want him even if he proves he can throw a strawberry through a battleship!

Pleeeeease Max.
You'll be eating your words soon and I will love it. :kiss:

[Maximus]

Pleeeeease Max.
You'll be eating your words soon and I will love it. :kiss:

Russell doesn't worry me a bit. I like his mechanics he needs to become more of a ball handler with fakes and such but... other than that I'm comfortable with him. On the other hand, are you telling me you are comfortable with cutlers inconsistent delivery and touch right now?

[Los Broncos]

Russell has a lot of promise, strong arm, smarts.

Oakland needs to draft o-line help to protect or his going to take a beating.

It'll be interesting to see how he develops in the next couple of seasons.

He just wont beat us in the regular season. :strong:

[ohiobronco2]

This message is hidden because ohiobronco2 is on your ignore list.

Because you don't know **** about football

Hilarious!

Neither does your organization.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Russell doesn't worry me a bit. I like his mechanics he needs to become more of a ball handler with fakes and such but... other than that I'm comfortable with him. On the other hand, are you telling me you are comfortable with cutlers inconsistent delivery and touch right now?

Cutler doesn't worry me a bit. Again, he'll be a top 3 QB, I have no doubt. I've seen EVERY game of his and I wouldn't want ANY of the other young QB's instead of him.

Inconsistent delivery? I don't know what you're talking about. He has probably thrown 15 bad passes all season. He does seem to put a lot on the ball sometimes but I've also seen him make beautiful throws with great touch.

So, he does throw from his back foot sometimes but most of the times he completes those passes, and I'm sure they will be working on that in the offseason and Shanny sure as hell has pointed it out to him when watching tape. He has all the physical tools in the world and the way he handles himself on the field is great. Have you seen his stats since the SD game last year? Don't tell me he ain't smart. The guy has had one of the best career starts EVER. Compare his stats through 20 games to those of Manning. Now Manning is a pretty smart guy, he makes good decisions 90% of the time.

Jay has gotten better at everything since his first start and he'll continue to grow. I remember a lot of guys were worried about him not looking off defenders, or not feeling the rush while in the pocket... well, he's good at both those things now, and I have no reason to believe it won't be the same with his back footed throws and lack of touch.

Yes, I am comfortable with Cutler.

[Raiders Rock]

Russell has a lot of promise, strong arm, smarts.

Oakland needs to draft o-line help to protect or his going to take a beating.

It'll be interesting to see how he develops in the next couple of seasons.

He just wont beat us in the regular season. :strong:

The Raiders are actually protecting the QB pretty well now.....

How many sacks did the Mules have against us? and How many sacks did the Texans have vs you guys?

I think your team may be the one that needs to protect the QB
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8039/2007120220071203d01sp03da2.jpg

[Los Broncos]

The Raiders are actually protecting the QB pretty well now.....

How many sacks did the Mules have against us? and How many sacks did the Texans have vs you guys?

I think your team may be the one that needs to protect the QB
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8039/2007120220071203d01sp03da2.jpg

Dont deny that your o-line has not been to good in recent years.

How many RB's have we had run for 1,000 yards.

Our o-lines have dominated for years.

And i wasn't calling you out, i mean do you think your o-line is ok at this point?

I say not

[Raiders Rock]

Dont deny that your o-line has not been to good in recent years.

How many RB's have we had run for 1,000 yards.

Our o-lines have dominated for years.

And i wasn't calling you out, i mean do you think your o-line is ok at this point?

I say not

I am not meaning to sound like we are world beaters, we are not but we are moving in the right direction on about all areas of our game.

Raiders brought in the same style offensive line scheme as the Mules have because it works and the protection has been better as a result and Fargas is running his ass off.

[Los Broncos]

I am not meaning to sound like we are world beaters, we are not but we are moving in the right direction on about all areas of our game.

Raiders brought in the same style offensive line scheme as the Mules have because it works and the protection has been better as a result and Fargas is running his ass off.

Oakland will draft o-line help for Russell.

Am i wrong?

[crazyhorse]

I am not meaning to sound like we are world beaters, we are not but we are moving in the right direction on about all areas of our game.

Raiders brought in the same style offensive line scheme as the Mules have because it works and the protection has been better as a result and Fargas is running his ass off.

Your run game is better, your defense is worse. Pay attention.

[Raiders Rock]

Your run game is better, your defense is worse. Pay attention.

Your offense is worse, you defense is too , ST sucks and your running back has got the paycheck now and will put you thru cap hell the next 10 yrs

[crazyhorse]

Your offense is worse, you defense is too , ST sucks and your running back has got the paycheck now and will put you thru cap hell the next 10 yrs


That's a funny way of saying you agree with me. But....okay.

BTW, our defense is better. Special teams about the same. In Raider nation, that would make them happy. Coaches approval rating would be through the roof.

Fun to watch.

The good news is, we are both happy with the Raiders performance. Cheers!

[Raiders Rock]

That's a funny way of saying you agree with me. But....okay.

BTW, our defense is better. Special teams about the same. In Raider nation, that would make them happy. Coaches approval rating would be through the roof.

Fun to watch.

The good news is, we are both happy with the Raiders performance. Cheers!

Yea you all are running a real quality Superbowl team producing program there Mr.1970 :thumbsup:

[Orange_Beard]

Yea you all are running a real quality Superbowl team producing program there Mr.1970 :thumbsup:

That could be the funnest thing that you have ever posted.

Raider fans making fun of Cheifs fan because he is living in the 70's.

[sixtimeseight]

The Raiders are actually protecting the QB pretty well now.....

How many sacks did the Mules have against us? and How many sacks did the Texans have vs you guys?

I think your team may be the one that needs to protect the QB


How many of the past 25 games has your piece of **** organization won? 5? 6?

[Kaylore]

This thread is funny. A worthless troll getting his trash kicked by another worthless troll. Hilarious!

[Orange_Beard]

It's a troll-off.

[crazyhorse]

Yea you all are running a real quality Superbowl team producing program there Mr.1970 :thumbsup:

Take off the Vader helmet. Your vision is clouded. I never said the Chiefs were doing well. Only that your Raiders still suck. Am I wrong.

[Raiders Rock]

Take off the Vader helmet. Your vision is clouded. I never said the Chiefs were doing well. Only that your Raiders still suck. Am I wrong.

By a record stand point you are correct.... unless you follow a team every week there is no way for someone to measure progress....

The Raiders are getting better, the NFL is so good that it does not happen over night ... but would you agree your team is going backwards and The Raiders outlook is improving?

[crazyhorse]

Here is your post from about midnight after choosing to read my thread

This thread is funny. A worthless troll getting his trash kicked by another worthless troll. Hilarious!

Here is your post from 7:30 last night.

Don't waste your time. I strongly recommend putting him (crazyhorse) on ignore. It will make the Mane a much more enjoyable experience.


LOL You might be the dumbest, most hypoctitical poster on this entire forum.

[Raiders Rock]

Here is your post from about midnight



Here is your post from 7:30 last night after choosing to read my thread.



LOL You might be the dumbest, most hypoctitical poster on this entire forum.

I will agree with you on this :thumbs:

[crazyhorse]

By a record stand point you are correct.... unless you follow a team every week there is no way for someone to measure progress....

The Raiders are getting better, the NFL is so good that it does not happen over night ... but would you agree your team is going backwards and The Raiders outlook is improving?

I would agree that the Chiefs are going backwards. The Raiders progress is more a reflection of the fall of the AFC West. Not so much because they are better. But the teams they play arent as good. Take away your 2 AFCW wins and you are 2 and 9. Normally, if this was even an average year for the West, you would have lost the 2 games you have won with this Raiders team.

IMO

[Bronx33]

You never see this in the world of troll battles folks! in a futile move to look less stupid both trolls decided to band together!

[crazyhorse]

You never see this in the world of troll battles folks! in a futile move to look less stupid both trolls decided to band together!


Band together? I dont need any help. Surely you just witnessed me owning Kay. LOL

BTW....Hi Kay. LOL