Draft Position...

[bpc]

13. Denver Broncos AFC ACW 6 8 0 .429 295 367 -72 32 4-3 2-5 3-2 .600 6-5 .545 0-3 1L 2-3: @ SD, MN
12. Carolina Panthers NFC NCS 5 8 0 .385 210 294 -84 22 1-5 4-3 2-3 .400 5-4 .556 0-4 1L 1-4: Sea, Dall, @ TB
11. Chicago Bears NFC NCN 5 8 0 .385 253 296 -43 25 2-4 3-4 1-3 .250 2-7 .222 3-1 2L 2-3 :@MN, GB, NO
10. Cincinnati Bengals AFC ACN 5 8 0 .385 310 326 -16 33 4-3 1-5 2-3 .400 4-6 .400 1-2 1W 3-2 : @SF, Cleveland, @Miami
9. Philadelphia Eagles NFC NCE 5 8 0 .385 271 262 9 30 2-5 3-3 1-4 .200 3-7 .300 2-1 3L 2-3 : @Dallas, @NO, Buffalo
8. Baltimore 6Ravens AFC ACN 4 9 0 .308 226 314 -88 23 3-4 1-5 0-5 .000 1-9 .100 3-0 7L 0-5 : @Miami, @Seattle, Pitt
7. Kansas City Chiefs AFC ACW 4 9 0 .308 179 271 -92 18 2-5 2-4 2-4 .333 3-7 .300 1-2 6L 0-5 : Tenn, @Det, @NYJ
6. Oakland Raiders AFC ACW 4 9 0 .308 241 298 -57 25 2-4 2-5 2-3 .400 4-5 .444 0-4 1L 2-3 : Indy, @Jax, SD
5. Atlanta Falcons NFC NCS 3 10 0 .231 185 306 -121 18 2-5 1-5 1-4 .200 2-7 .222 1-3 4L 1-4 : @TB, @AZ, Seattle
4. New York Jets AFC ACE 3 10 0 .231 239 315 -76 23 2-5 1-5 2-3 .400 3-6 .333 0-4 1L 2-3 : @NE, @TN, KC
3. NE by way of San Francisco 49ers NFC NCW 3 10 0 .231 171 312 -141 18 1-5 2-5 3-3 .500 3-8 .273 0-2 2L 1-4 : Cin, TB, @Cleveland
2. St. Louis Rams NFC NCW 3 10 0 .231 206 316 -110 20 1-5 2-5 1-4 .200 3-7 .300 0-3 1L 3-2 : GB, Pitt, @AZ
1. Miami Dolphins AFC ACE 0 13 0 .000 213 355 -142 23 0-6 0-7 0-5 .000 0-9 .000 0-4 13L 0-5 : Bal, @NE, Cincy

[bpc]

I think the final positioning will look like this:

13. Cincy - Dan Connor
12. Chicago - Kenny Phillips
11. Denver -
10. Carolina - Matt Ryan - QB
9. Philly - Malcom Jenkins - CB
8. Baltimore - James Laurinaitis - MLB
7. KC - Ryan Clady - OT
6. Oakland - Sedric Ellis - DT
5. Atlanta - Andre Woodson - QB
4. NYJ - Chris Long - DE/DT
3. NE - Darren McFadden - HB
2. STL - Jake Long - OT
1. Miami - Glenn Dorsey - DT

[Elway777]

I agee that Denver should be drafting from the 10 and 13 spot. Denver could be in position to trade up and land Dorsey or Long or trade down and get more draft picks. If they stay at 11 then they could draft Laurinatis ,Clady ,Conner ,Baker or Ellis.

[socalorado]

I agee that Denver should be drafting from the 10 and 13 spot. Denver could be in position to trade up and land Dorsey or Long or trade down and get more draft picks. If they stay at 11 then they could draft Laurinatis ,Clady ,Conner ,Baker or Ellis.

If they can move up for Long or Dorsey, why not Mcfadden as well!!??? HAHAHA!!! Cmon, its fri!!

[mattob14]

I think the final positioning will look like this:

13. Cincy - Dan Connor
12. Chicago - Kenny Phillips
11. Denver -
10. Carolina - Matt Ryan - QB
9. Philly - Malcom Jenkins - CB
8. Baltimore - James Laurinaitis - MLB
7. KC - Ryan Clady - OT
6. Oakland - Sedric Ellis - DT
5. Atlanta - Andre Woodson - QB
4. NYJ - Chris Long - DE/DT
3. NE - Darren McFadden - HB
2. STL - Jake Long - OT
1. Miami - Glenn Dorsey - DT

OK, assuming it does end up like this, what do we do? That would leave Otah, Chris Williams, Cherilus, Baker and, if they come out, Oher and Loadholdt at OT. Personally, I'd try to move down about 5 spots and pick up a 2 or 3. If there's a run at OT early then that may change. It wouldn't hurt us that Brohm would be the last of the top QB's at that point and someone may try to jump Chicago to get him.

[NFLBRONCO]

No brainer unless we land McFadden we should move down once and maybe twice to stockpile picks to really bolster our lines.

[bpc]

OK, assuming it does end up like this, what do we do? That would leave Otah, Chris Williams, Cherilus, Baker and, if they come out, Oher and Loadholdt at OT. Personally, I'd try to move down about 5 spots and pick up a 2 or 3. If there's a run at OT early then that may change. It wouldn't hurt us that Brohm would be the last of the top QB's at that point and someone may try to jump Chicago to get him.

I'm really feeling good that SF would try to move up in the draft if offered a trade that way they could select a QB. That is what i would do.

[Northman]

I think the final positioning will look like this:

13. Cincy - Dan Connor
12. Chicago - Kenny Phillips
11. Denver -
10. Carolina - Matt Ryan - QB
9. Philly - Malcom Jenkins - CB
8. Baltimore - James Laurinaitis - MLB
7. KC - Ryan Clady - OT
6. Oakland - Sedric Ellis - DT
5. Atlanta - Andre Woodson - QB
4. NYJ - Chris Long - DE/DT
3. NE - Darren McFadden - HB
2. STL - Jake Long - OT
1. Miami - Glenn Dorsey - DT


I think Denver will lose their last two. So we should move up some.

[Northman]

I'm really feeling good that SF would try to move up in the draft if offered a trade that way they could select a QB. That is what i would do.


That is what SoCal is saying as well. He wants to trade down for more picks. Im just not sold that teams are going to give up the farm to move up. It didnt happen last year and im just not seeing it this year. Although i hope im wrong. ;D

[Requiem]

I've been saying somewhere in the 12-15 range for the past few months, but eleven would be sweet. That's a prime area for a trade down if somebody wants to get a top talent they feel is worthy of a trade up and Denver can't get the player they want to target, it's also an area where the salary (outside top ten) goes down dramatically. That'd probably be a dream come true. Thanks for the update BPC!

[lex]

I think the final positioning will look like this:

13. Cincy - Dan Connor
12. Chicago - Kenny Phillips
11. Denver -
10. Carolina - Matt Ryan - QB
9. Philly - Malcom Jenkins - CB
8. Baltimore - James Laurinaitis - MLB
7. KC - Ryan Clady - OT
6. Oakland - Sedric Ellis - DT
5. Atlanta - Andre Woodson - QB
4. NYJ - Chris Long - DE/DT
3. NE - Darren McFadden - HB
2. STL - Jake Long - OT
1. Miami - Glenn Dorsey - DT

FYI, Chicago plans to start Orton the rest of the way. Im not sure thats automatic doom but he was the 3rd string QB.

[socalorado]

FYI, Chicago plans to start Orton the rest of the way. Im not sure thats automatic doom but he was the 3rd string QB.

According to that list they would just grab Brohm instead. Uless they fell in love with another.
This current spot (11) could really be the "money" slot, ya know?

[-Slap-]

I think the final positioning will look like this:

13. Cincy - Dan Connor
12. Chicago - Kenny Phillips
11. Denver - Steve Slaton RB
10. Carolina - Matt Ryan - QB
9. Philly - Malcom Jenkins - CB
8. Baltimore - James Laurinaitis - MLB
7. KC - Ryan Clady - OT
6. Oakland - Sedric Ellis - DT
5. Atlanta - Andre Woodson - QB
4. NYJ - Chris Long - DE/DT
3. NE - Darren McFadden - HB
2. STL - Jake Long - OT
1. Miami - Glenn Dorsey - DT

:thumbsup:

[socalorado]

:thumbsup:

Waaaaay waaaaaaaaay tooooo high for a mighty might.

Steve Slaton= This years Kenny Irons


Steve Slaton*, West Virginia
Height: 5-10. Weight: 195.
Projected Round: 2-3.

Kenny Irons*, Auburn
Height 5-10. Weight: 195.
Projected Round 4.

[lex]

According to that list they would just grab Brohm instead. Uless they fell in love with another.
This current spot (11) could really be the "money" slot, ya know?

No, I was actually referring to the likelihood that they will pick before us. I wouldnt be surprised to see them lose all their games. Hopefully the leapfrog us but who knows.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Careful what you say Slap. This board is full of guys who have every BS draft site bookmarked but have never seen a game.

[mattob14]

That is what SoCal is saying as well. He wants to trade down for more picks. Im just not sold that teams are going to give up the farm to move up. It didnt happen last year and im just not seeing it this year. Although i hope im wrong. ;D

The good news is, we don't need a blockbuster to benefit. Last year, we traded our 3rd and a 6th to move from 21 to 18. Using that as a blueprint, I'd trade down to #14 if we could add a mid-3rd and 6th, and again to #17 if the option was there. Obviously team needs and personal preference play a large role, but these type of trades wouldn't be too far off base. If one of the QB's is a target, we'd probably even get more out of the pick. I'm sure someone would give a mid-1st and a 2nd if that meant they secured Brohm, Woodson, or Ryan.

[mattob14]

I'm really feeling good that SF would try to move up in the draft if offered a trade that way they could select a QB. That is what i would do.

The question is, do we want to move from #11 down to #30? We might miss out on the top OT's at that point. Also, SF would have to give #30, their 2nd and another pick this year or next to get close to equal value on the draft charts. Are they that down on Smith?

[Elway777]

OK, assuming it does end up like this, what do we do? That would leave Otah, Chris Williams, Cherilus, Baker and, if they come out, Oher and Loadholdt at OT. Personally, I'd try to move down about 5 spots and pick up a 2 or 3. If there's a run at OT early then that may change. It wouldn't hurt us that Brohm would be the last of the top QB's at that point and someone may try to jump Chicago to get him.I bet if Brohm where available the Bears would trade at least a 3 rounder to the Broncos to get Him.

[Requiem]

Careful what you say Slap. This board is full of guys who have every BS draft site bookmarked but have never seen a game.

Billy, you play nice. :kiss:

[socalorado]

Billy, you play nice. :kiss:

Isnt he just a sweetheart!:flower:

[Requiem]

I'm definitely with Slap on being interested in Slaton. He'd do so much for this offense as a receiver, rusher and even on special teams as a returner that he's worth a high selection. Maybe not #11, but I bet we could trade down and still land him. Our offense could get really creative with an option like him back there. Denver really like Jones-Drew a few years back, and Slaton's a way better prospect.

If they can't get Slaton, watch out for ECU's Chris Johnson - not as good as Slaton or Drew, but still would offer the same services. Should be available somewhere early on Day Two (which includes the third round now) - and I think the Broncos would love him.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Billy, you play nice. :kiss:

It's hillarious to read these posts written by guys who have never seen the players play, but are just copying crap from draft sites written by guys who in many cases have not seen the players play, let alone be qualified to evaluate them.

[SpringStein]

Should be available somewhere early on Day Two (which includes the third round now) - and I think the Broncos would love him.

So what's the schedule this year Req?

[bpc]

:thumbsup:

Could be another Clinton Portis. A lot of people have cooled on him and I know you love him. They are saying if he comes and (and that he should because he doesn't have much more upside, their word, not mine) he'll slide to the second round.

Interesting how some of these picks are going to happen. If some of these running backs slide, there is going to be a lot of value in round 2 at that spot.

[bpc]

The question is, do we want to move from #11 down to #30? We might miss out on the top OT's at that point. Also, SF would have to give #30, their 2nd and another pick this year or next to get close to equal value on the draft charts. Are they that down on Smith?

I think you really have to get a feel for the guys you like and where they will be taken. If you can get a solid OT prospect and pick up another speed WR or wide DT by trading back is it worth leaving that potentially good prospect on the table.

For me i'm squarely looking at Jeff Otah. Where is he going to be drafted? Depends on how he tests.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Could be another Clinton Portis. A lot of people have cooled on him and I know you love him. They are saying if he comes and (and that he should because he doesn't have much more upside, their word, not mine) he'll slide to the second round.

Interesting how some of these picks are going to happen. If some of these running backs slide, there is going to be a lot of value in round 2 at that spot.

Obviously, you have seen him play bpc. The only similarity to Irons is his size.

I think some of these juniors are crazy to come out this year. Guys like Clady, Oher would likely be top five picks next year. Mendenhall/Rice, with the glut of RBs likely to declare could be 3rd rounders and could be top 10 next year. I guess they just don't want to wait any longer for their Escalades.

[Requiem]

So what's the schedule this year Req?

NFL Draft, Radio City Music Hall [April 26/27]

Day One (Rounds One and Two)
Starting Time: 3:00 PM EST

First Round Time Limit: 10 minutes per selection
Second Round Time Limit: 7 minutes per selection

Day Two (Rounds Three through Seven)
Starting Time: 10:00 AM EST

Day Two Time Limit: 5 minutes per selection


That's the line-up that I have had on my computer, and I have been very pleased with the approach.

I like the break after the first two rounds. It'll give teams time to re-evaluate their boards, and make some deals. It's great for a team like Denver who currently doesn't have a third rounder, but has a lot of Day 2 selections to move around if they were interested in packaging their picks to move up; or if they want to get some deals done with players after the lights shut off on the first day.

It also makes teams think a lot more seriously about their first two selections. Less time to make the picks, but they only have to worry about two rounds. It'll make teams be REAL serious about who they choose.

I think it's perfect, and I'm glad it happened.

I just wonder if any value could be changed due to the split in the days. Probably not, but I sort of thought there could have been an adjustment. I'll have to get used to calling a third rounder a day two pick. . . just seems weird.

[Requiem]

Interesting how some of these picks are going to happen. If some of these running backs slide, there is going to be a lot of value in round 2 at that spot.

I've been on the fence with our running back corps, and at times Young looks like he can be a stud, the others a dud. Honestly, if there is value in the second round, or anywhere early on Day Two (including the third round) Denver should pounce on it. There are going to be good names probably into the fourth round and Denver would be good to pick one of them up.

Just depends on what we get in free agency. If we get some defensive players like Dansby and Williams (doubtful to get both, let alone one) then I would love for us to concentrate #1, #2 and our #4's on offensive guys like an OT (Otah, Clady) and a wide out (burners) and a back (any value) and you could probably throw in a defensive player there as well.

I'm just real excited. I'm confident Denver will make some deals and position themselves to be even better than they are right now. 8')

[27atwater]

Given this scenario, we'd be stupid to pass on Kenny Phillips. As much as we need LB help, this is a VERY deep draft and a Jon Goff, Adibi, Leman, Crable, etc will be there in round 2. I would be very happy if we landed Phillips and Goff w/ our first 2 pix and moved DJ outside to Gold's spot where he belongs OR get Phillips and Adibi and keep DJ in the middle.

We are NOT getting McFadden or Dorsey. Our only trade ammo is our potential 3 4th round pix. That's not getting us anywhere near the top 5.

[27atwater]

Slaton is gonna flop. He's a system RB who doesn't even get the ball when a National Championship opportunity is on the line. BUYER BEWARE!

If ya wanna Mountaineer, take the WR in round 5. Darius Reynaud is short but solid. Tough guy and very solid returnman. He's a player. Has no stats due to the offense and the awful QB play thru the air, but dude could fit nice w/ Stokley and Marshall.

[-Slap-]

Could be another Clinton Portis. A lot of people have cooled on him and I know you love him. They are saying if he comes and (and that he should because he doesn't have much more upside, their word, not mine) he'll slide to the second round.

Interesting how some of these picks are going to happen. If some of these running backs slide, there is going to be a lot of value in round 2 at that spot.

I think he could be Reggie Bush with balls. The Portis comparison is probably the most accurate, but I think he's probably more fluid and natural catching the ball than Clinton. He's a willing blocker, but he would have to be damn good to equal the work Portis did picking up blitzes.

I do agree that the number of good running backs this year makes drafting any back @ 11 something of a reach. If we could get a defensive player or an offensive lineman in round one and come back with Slaton in round two, I would lose my mind.

[SpringStein]

I'm really feeling good that SF would try to move up in the draft if offered a trade that way they could select a QB. That is what i would do.


SF has picks #30 & 35. Going by last year's chart - those two equal pick 12 or 13. Might be right around our spot. :thumbs:

[ward63]

We need to upgrade our future(near and far) and that's w/Cutler. The only way you help him out is with OL!!!

[bpc]

I've been on the fence with our running back corps, and at times Young looks like he can be a stud, the others a dud. Honestly, if there is value in the second round, or anywhere early on Day Two (including the third round) Denver should pounce on it. There are going to be good names probably into the fourth round and Denver would be good to pick one of them up.

Just depends on what we get in free agency. If we get some defensive players like Dansby and Williams (doubtful to get both, let alone one) then I would love for us to concentrate #1, #2 and our #4's on offensive guys like an OT (Otah, Clady) and a wide out (burners) and a back (any value) and you could probably throw in a defensive player there as well.

I'm just real excited. I'm confident Denver will make some deals and position themselves to be even better than they are right now. 8')

I think we just need to evaluate on a case by case basis. I don't think HB was a need the year we drafted Portis either but now none of us can argue with the selection. At the time we had TD, OG, Mike Anderson, and then CP... he came in and surpassed them all and it can be argued that he was on par to match career statistics with LT before we traded him to Washington. We then in turn traded him for Champ Bailey and a 2nd round draft pick that we later wasted.... ha ha.

If some guys fall back, we'll have to look at them seriously.

Slaton is a guy that has homerun capability and from recent drafts, we know Shanahan loves that type of back. Young and Hall are those types of backs however they lack the pedigree that Slaton brings to the table.

I can't predict was Slaton will do in the pro's however in the right system, he could be amazing. Denver is one of those systems... he could be anything from a CP to a Tatum Bell in terms of speed and game breaking ability. I tend to think he'll be more CP than Bell.

[bpc]

I've been on the fence with our running back corps, and at times Young looks like he can be a stud, the others a dud. Honestly, if there is value in the second round, or anywhere early on Day Two (including the third round) Denver should pounce on it. There are going to be good names probably into the fourth round and Denver would be good to pick one of them up.

Just depends on what we get in free agency. If we get some defensive players like Dansby and Williams (doubtful to get both, let alone one) then I would love for us to concentrate #1, #2 and our #4's on offensive guys like an OT (Otah, Clady) and a wide out (burners) and a back (any value) and you could probably throw in a defensive player there as well.

I'm just real excited. I'm confident Denver will make some deals and position themselves to be even better than they are right now. 8')

I would love to get one of those HB's if they slide. All of our guys now have issues with staying healthy and I can't say any one of them is the workhorse type back that I covet or that probably works best in this system.

It makes it imperative that we evaluate our options in terms of trading back and see what we can land. I know one thing for sure, we have commit to our trenches this year and bring in some people that can start, play, and improve the play that we've had their recently.

I like Otah, I think he'll be great but I'm not against trading back late into the 1st, picking up a Chris Williams/Sam Baker type player and then drafting a DT/LB, WR/HB, combo in the 2nd.

[bpc]

SF has picks #30 & 35. Going by last year's chart - those two equal pick 12 or 13. Might be right around our spot. :thumbs:

That was the first thing I thought too and think about SF's needs... why they are playing down a little bit, they are a good QB away from being right in the thick of that NFC race. A good offense will compliment a young and upcoming defense. In that situation, i don't see them thinking that a 2nd rounder will really mean that much if they can get one of the big 3 QB's in this draft... Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, or Andre Woodson. I think all could help this team especially with increasing speculation and Alex Smith might have played his last snap in SF.

I would love to be sitting at 30, 35, and right around 42. I think we could get an OT, DT, and a HB/WR/MLB out of that mix... all positions we could use some talent at.

[27atwater]

If we are looking RB at all and he comes out, I think Jonathan Stewart of Oregon should be the choice and then we can be done w/ the annual RB conversation. It'll never happen but he will be attainable from where we will be picking.

[bpc]

Stewart is good... i'm a little leery of his past injury problems though. He gets knicked up a lot for a big back. It happened this year towards the end of the year as well.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

James Davis of Clemson is a Denver style RB who will most likely declare that has been lost in the shuffle.

[bpc]

Well hell, obviously I gave Cincy too much credit. I highly doubt they beat Cleveland either which means that they probably beat Miami and finish with a worse conference record than we have and THEY too will get a chance to draft in front of us.

On the positive note, NE is now picking 6th with SF's choice.

[chaz]

James Davis of Clemson is a Denver style RB who will most likely declare that has been lost in the shuffle.

any info on him anyone?

[Requiem]

I like Davis' vision and ability to make correct cuts, but I worry about his ability to carry the load in the NFL. I think he'll be a very solid back, but he has some questions. I also don't think he'll be much of a pass catcher in the NFL. He regressed this year (offensive play calling, WTF) and didn't seem to be as explosive as last year. Has a lot of potential though and is a great fit for this offense.

Probably a guy who can getcha 1,250 on the ground each year, with perhaps 200 yards catching a season.

[ohiobronco2]

I want this guy next year, but he will be gone long before we pick if he comes out. Check out his videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKdoUnIgwmQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyIsGdu3vz0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwzsmz1KRvQ&feature=related

[bpc]

In terms of HB's, it may not be the choice of many but I could totally see Shanahan picking Chris Johnson from ECU as a HB and a duel threat at KR/PR. Shanahan is in love with speed and Johnson will bring it at 4.26.