Where are you on the political compass?

[Arkie]

I took the test.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/index
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=3.25&soc=-3.85


Nobody represents me. :(

[Bronco Bob]

The Political Compass


Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.49

Nelsen Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi, and The Dalai Lama represent me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-8.62&soc=-5.44

[Bronco Bob]

Here's how the presidential candidates stand.
Interesting that not even Ron Paul makes it into the Libertarian side,
and is the most right wing of all the candidates.

[cutthemdown]

That's what I have been telling people. There are no real liberals anymore that have a shot at winning. Hilliary doesn't even scare me she could easily be a middle of the road Republican and keep virtually every issue the same. They really fool the American people into thinking that dems and repubs are that different.

[cutthemdown]

i came almost dead center.

[W*GS]

Strongly libertarian, of course:

Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=4.75&soc=-5.74

[W*GS]

I'd have put LABF in the top left corner.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

There are no real liberals anymore that have a shot at winning. Hilliary doesn't even scare me she could easily be a middle of the road Republican and keep virtually every issue the same.

That's correct.

This is how W*GS and his fellow Fox News fans get away with painting anyone to the left of Hillary or Joe Biden as "far left."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Here's how the presidential candidates stand.
Interesting that not even Ron Paul makes it into the Libertarian side,
and is the most right wing of all the candidates.Just how did these guys get all the candidates to take their test?

[cutthemdown]

Just how did these guys get all the candidates to take their test?

Maybe they assume how they would answer. Also how much more weight does it give for answering disagree, over strongly disagree. To me I either agree or disagree. To put a strongly agree or disagree plays on emotions of the issue and I would be interested to know how the formula works.

For instance I agreed with the statement.... DO corporations exploit the natural resources of developing countries. I agreed. I'm sure many that are more socialist in nature answered strongly agree. Really though how much different our are answers?

[Bob]

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: -8.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-8.62&soc=-5.44

Not off the chart to the left? maybe there is hope. :-*

[W*GS]

This is how W*GS and his fellow Fox News fans get away with painting anyone to the left of Hillary or Joe Biden as "far left."

You're self-admittedly far-left. No need to "paint" you at all.

[Bob]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.25&soc=1.74

I think I need to read another Ann Coulter book...

[spdirty]

If everyone was where I am this world would be a better place.

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.56

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=5.75&soc=4.56

[Bob]

According to this chart I am farther left than Obama --well, I guess i better change my affiliations...

I always knew that Obama was a conservative bastard!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If everyone was where I am this world would be a better place.

Your political compass

Economic Left/Right: 5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.56

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=5.75&soc=4.56

:giggle:

If everyone was where you are then the world would look like this:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-Nuremberg_1935_Navy-8.png

[Taco John]

They completely have misrepresented Paul on this chart...

[Taco John]

Wow! No wonder... This poll suck hard.

This first question is a joke:
"If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations."


Serve humanity? What does that even mean? Commerce should serve the individual making the transaction first and foremost. I can't answer this socialisticly slanted question.

[Taco John]

I can't even get through the first page of this quiz...

Here's a much more balanced one that doesn't make you evil if you believe that people can enjoy commerce, profit, and love our country even in times of trouble:

http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php

[ak1971]

i came almost dead center.

You cant be a good egg forever you either rot or hatch

[spdirty]

:giggle:

If everyone was where you are then the world would look like this:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-Nuremberg_1935_Navy-8.png

well, at least we havent killed nearly as many as you leftist pinko commie bastards have.

murderer.

[cutthemdown]

You cant be a good egg forever you either rot or hatch

That would imply with maturity comes a gravitation to the left or the right. I disagree with this completely. Note to everyone on this site, just because you can throw out some stupid saying that you think is relevant or witty does not mean you are right. If anything it shows you have style with no substance which to me is only 50% of a good point.

[Spider]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.75&soc=-3.03

[Hogan11]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=4.62&soc=-4.82

No surprise really

[Crushaholic]

interesting...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

well, at least we havent killed nearly as many as you leftist pinko commie bastards have.

Bush & Brezhnev: Separated at Birth?

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In the USSR a Utopian economic ideology, socialist communism, was deified and the Soviet Empire's leaders conceived an ambitious plan to coerce the rest of the world into accepting their social and economic system at the point of a gun. World revolution, supported by the Red Army, was to spread the benefits of Soviet communist style military socialism and Soviet democracy to all other countries.

However, socialism in the USSR was a fraud. By the time of Brezhnev, the country was not communitarian in spirit or everyday economic functionality. It was in fact a militaristic, despotic dictatorship with two very distinct classes -- Communist Party members and everyone else. Economically, the country was organized around a simple principle -- what's good for the political bureaucracy and the military is good for the USSR. The needs of the people were subservient to the needs of the Politburo, the Army and the Secret Police, who controlled the Empire through fear and a system of secret prisons known as gulags.

The USSR was a military Empire and simultaneously a Utopian representative democracy. During the Russian Revolution, local workers organized themselves into councils called "soviets" and these "soviets" elected representatives for regional "soviets". These regional soviets elected representatives for higher councils, on up to the Supreme Soviet. Elections were a farce, however, completely controlled by Communist Party bureaucrats who had transformed the soviets into a single party dominated patronage and surveillance system by the time of Brezhnev.

The Empire of Cowboy Capitalism

In a strking parallel to the Soviet Union during the Brezhnev era, America’s existing social, political, and economic systems appear to be dominant, immovable and totally geared toward preserving the status quo for those in power.

Just as in Brezhnev’s USSR, America’s economic system, based on an aggressive Utopian ideology out of touch with the real world, provides increasing rewards only for the privileged few.

Over the last twenty-five years in the US, a Utopian economic ideology, free-market laissez-faire capitalism, has been deified as the guiding principle for all segments of society and all forms of social interaction.
However, free markets in America are a fraud. All major economic segments, including banking and finance, health care, insurance, agriculture, military contracting, oil and energy, utilities, publishing and media, advertising, automobiles, and the rest are dominated by comfortable oligopolies.

A small group of transnational corporations controls the "free market" for their own benefit. These oligopolies control the government agencies charged with regulating their behavior so they can socialize and externalize costs and privatize profits as much as possible.

America has developed a militarized society slavishly devoted to exporting its inflexible economic ideology of fundamentalist free market Utopianism to the rest of the world. Just as the Communists sought to export their Utopia at gunpoint around the world, America now promises to export American style "free market society" and “democracy” through a series of Imperial wars.

America promises to use all its military and economic power to force its own brand of Utopian corporate capitalism on societies everywhere on Earth. American spies, military commanders and diplomats work ceaselessly through a network of hundreds of military bases and through international banking organizations such as the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the World Trade Organization to consolidate corporate control of all societies around the world. All this is done in pursuit of a failed Utopia promised to appear as if by magic when societies agree to follow a set of worn-out neo-liberal economic formulas discredited through bitter experience wherever in the world they have been applied.

The American Empire's current President, George Bush the Younger, also aspires to spread American "democracy" around the world, using all the tools at his disposal, primarily the largest military machine in world history.

To facilitate the spread of American style democracy, Bush the Younger espouses a doctrine of pre-emptive warfare, which is synonymous with Imperial wars of aggression designed to displace governments disliked by America and install governments that will be subservient to American interests and serve at the pleasure of the American President.
However, as in the Soviet Union, democracy in America under Bush the Younger is a fraud as well. Not just in the sense that both parties are controlled by big business interests and see their primary purpose as promotion of policies that will maintain the status quo dominance of American corporate oligopolies and American global hegemony.

George Bush the Younger stole the 2004 election from John Kerry. This is not a conspiracy theory, but rather an increasingly provable proposition, as further study and analysis continues to support the stolen election hypothesis. The fact that the Democratic Party has not contested the stolen election points to a fundamental failure of democracy in America.

In a recent Rolling Stone article by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., laying out the growing mountain of evidence indicating massive voter fraud, Kennedy charges that the Republican Party engaged in massive, nationwide voter fraud in what appears to be a systematic way, similar to the type of manipulation common in Third World and Soviet dictatorships.

Kennedy also blames the American media for the 2004 election debacle. Over the last two decades the American news media have come all but completely under the control of a small media oligopoly. Kennedy points out that at the time of the 2004 election, exit polls showing Kerry victorious were dismissed by a compliant American media, reduced to their current role of propaganda machine for the Republican Party.

Kennedy points out that exit polls are considered so accurate that the US government and the American media often use them to provide evidence of voter fraud in Third World countries -- and to demand that fraudulently elected officials step down.

"What is most anomalous about the irregularities in 2004 was their decidedly partisan bent: Almost without exception they hurt John Kerry and benefited George Bush," Kennedy explains. "After carefully examining the evidence, I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004. Across the country, Republican election officials and party stalwarts employed a wide range of illegal and unethical tactics to fix the election. A review of the available data reveals that in Ohio alone, at least 357,000 voters, the overwhelming majority of them Democratic, were prevented from casting ballots or did not have their votes counted in 2004 -- more than enough to shift the results of an election decided by 118,601 votes. (See Ohio's Missing Votes) In what may be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots. And that doesn?t even take into account the troubling evidence of outright fraud, which indicates that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry were counted instead for Bush. That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House."

''It was terrible,'' says Sen. Christopher Dodd, who helped craft reforms in 2002 that were supposed to prevent such electoral abuses. ''People waiting in line for twelve hours to cast their ballots, people not being allowed to vote because they were in the wrong precinct -- it was an outrage. In Ohio, you had a secretary of state who was determined to guarantee a Republican outcome. I'm terribly disheartened.''

"Indeed, the extent of the GOP's effort to rig the vote shocked even the most experienced observers of American elections," Kennedy continues. '''Ohio was as dirty an election as America has ever seen,' Lou Harris, the father of modern political polling, told me. 'You look at the turnout and votes in individual precincts, compared to the historic patterns in those counties, and you can tell where the discrepancies are. They stand out like a sore thumb.'"

Cracks in the Imperial Facade

Despite their disputed success in the 2004 elections, Bush the Younger and his Republican compadres have the lowest approval ratings of any administration in the last fifty years.

The disconnect between America's political, corporate and media elite and the common people is so great that parallels with Brezhnev's Soviet Union are no longer far-fetched. In Brezhnev's time, the Soviet elite refused to face reality about the limits of Soviet power. The economic health of the country was sacrificed on the altar of the military-industrial complex.

The ruble became a global joke. Environmental concerns and provision for basic necessities of the people were luxuries the Soviet elite felt they could no longer afford. Today, the American elite refuses to face reality about a number of critical problems facing the Imperium.

The end of cheap oil is coming. Global warming is upon us. Families and the nation are deeply in debt. The dollar is sliding amid talk of a more truly multi-currency global monetary system. America's health care system is broken. Social Security is under attack by the government itself. America is waging war on its own elders. Rising inequality is creating a two-class society similar to the sharply divided societies of the Soviet Union or Latin American Banana Republics.

Evidence of American incompetence is mounting everywhere one looks, and although America appears to be the invincible world hegemon, there are disturbing parallels between America's current position and the waning days of the Soviet Empire.

Under Brezhnev, the Soviet Union waged a diastrous war in Afghanistan that undermined Soviet pretensions to military invulnerability, cast the Soviet army as a an Imperial aggressor, and set the world's billions of Muslims against Soviet rule everywhere.

Under Bush, America is waging a disastrous war in Afghanistan and Iraq that is undermining American pretensions to military invulnerability, casting the American army as an Imperial aggressor, and setting the world's billions of Muslims against American interests everywhere.

In Brezhnev’s USSR, technology in the service of ideology produced monsters of inefficient design and engineering debacles on a regular basis.

America’s worship of technology divorced from social consequences is producing monsters such as the levees that broke in New Orleans, the technologies of surveillance and control that threaten human rights and the freedom of speech and the Internet, junk food, industrial agriculture, genetically modified foods, the Hummer and other SUVs that require American troops to oppress and invade oil producing countries to support obsolete engineering solutions that exacerbate the global energy, political and economic crises.

Brezhnev’s USSR relied on an oppressive political establishment, secret police, a militarized society, and a fossilized ideology dedicated to world domination to uphold communist rule. In America, the unholy ménage a trois between America’s fundamentalist Christian conservative political movement, the US military establishment and the Republican party threatens to undermine the institutions of American democracy and the foundations of American intellectual leadership -- allegations of rigged elections, attacks on basic scientific methodologies, increasingly overt police state tactics applied wholesale at home and abroad, contempt for human rights and international treaties and bloody culture civil wars escalate year by year.

The Soviets built the Berlin Wall, and the American Minutemen, with the help of a rabidly nationalistic and xenophobic Congress, are now in the initial stages of building a Great Wall around America, sealing the US off from the dire threats posed by Mexican immigrant laborers and Canadian tourists without portfolio.

America is moving further and further out of the global mainstream of 21st century culture, politics, economic theory and science. Increased reliance on military solutions to all international issues exacerbates this trend. The American failure to pacify Afghanistan and Iraq has been a most visible demonstration of the sharp limits to America’s ability to project power globally. The Iranian government and the Shiite fundamentalist movement across the Middle East are the only winners in these “wars against” terror so far.

As world energy demand continues to spike, America is becoming increasingly dependent upon unstable global energy supply lines originating in countries that are increasingly alienated, even hostile, to America’s hegemonic project.

More to the point, there is an evolving, ascending new constellation of energy power-brokers in Asia, the Middle East and South America who are united in their desire to cut American oil companies out of their business dealings and minimize American military interference in their backyards. They have much to gain from mutually supportive trade in oil, natural gas, and advanced weaponry.

Thus America’s sharp turn to the right during the reign of the autocratic cowboy, George Bush the Younger, will certainly make it increasingly difficult for America to import energy from the rest of the world on favorable terms of trade as the 21st century energy crisis unfolds.

This is the most important geo-strategic trend of the decade, and the trend most under-reported in the American media, which increasingly resembles the Brezhnev-era Soviet propaganda machine – ubiquitous, ideologically pure, aggressive and inquisitorial, but totally distrusted by the vast majority of citizens.

http://www.satyacenter.com/news-alt_news-bush-and-brezhnev

[elsid13]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.50&soc=-2.82

[Hotrod]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.38

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=2.88&soc=1.38

[TailgateNut]

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69


Move over Spider, you are occupying my space!

[Spider]

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69


Move over Spider, you are occupying my space!
I lost 30 pounds plenty of room for 2 of us ;D

[TailgateNut]

I lost 30 pounds plenty of room for 2 of us ;D


...and I gained 10 lbs at sundays tailgater!;D

[defenseman]

Here is where I ended up:


Economic Left/Right: 3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.28

[Bob]

That would imply with maturity comes a gravitation to the left or the right. I disagree with this completely. Note to everyone on this site, just because you can throw out some stupid saying that you think is relevant or witty does not mean you are right. If anything it shows you have style with no substance which to me is only 50% of a good point.

It does not surprise me that folks on this board are generally way left or right -- what else would you expect from a political board on the Internet. The sad thing is when folks believe that the REAL America ideologically revolves around thier own minority views...

The truth is usually found between two extremes.

[Arkie]

I can't even get through the first page of this quiz...

Here's a much more balanced one that doesn't make you evil if you believe that people can enjoy commerce, profit, and love our country even in times of trouble:

http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php

I think the Nolan Chart is slanted to the libertarian side. I'm very libertarian on it. :)

[Bronco Bob]

Here is where I ended up:


Economic Left/Right: 3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.28

:worthless :clown:

[Bronco Bob]

The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69


Move over Spider, you are occupying my space!

:worthless

[Bronco Bob]

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.38

http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=2.88&soc=1.38

:worthless :~ohyah!:

[Hotrod]

:worthless :~ohyah!:




http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/50976041_ae905a76a1.jpg

[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/50976041_ae905a76a1.jpg

Must have ended up on the left side of the graph.

[TailgateNut]

:worthless


5 points left and 3 points down!

Got it, or do I need to draw your a picture?;D

[Bronco Bob]

5 points left and 3 points down!

Got it, or do I need to draw your a picture?;D

I wanted you to post the picture. :)

[TailgateNut]

I wanted you to post the picture. :)


I wanted you to work for it!:~ohyah!:


I'm basically Ghandi with an ATTITUDE!

[Crushaholic]

I think the Nolan Chart is slanted to the libertarian side. I'm very libertarian on it. :)

That chart clearly sets boundaries on the different views. The "agree, strongly agree, disagree, strongly disagree" for the original quiz allows for more gray area to move on the spectrum. Later tonight or tomorrow, I'll post my results on the Nolan chart. However, I clearly fell on the conservative side for the Nolan chart and I almost fell into Libertarian territory on the other chart...

[defenseman]

Just did the nolan chart test. I am a conservative by that method...dman

[defenseman]

I wanted you to work for it!:~ohyah!:


I'm basically Ghandi with an ATTITUDE!

LOL Not you...no way!Hilarious! As for me, I'm 3 and a 1/4 clicks to the right, 1 and a 1/4 clicks north, both from center.....I'm thinking that's conservative..dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Just did the nolan chart test. I am a conservative by that method...dmanDid you need a "test" to find out what you were/are?

[Garcia Bronco]

I am dead center....which is why all you people argue with me....but I am always right...why?...because I am in the center. :)

[W*GS]

OK, I'll reveal the geek that I am...

The two people farthest apart:

17.51 L.A. BRONCOS FAN spdirty

The two people closest together:

0.38 Hotrod defenseman

Distance = sqrt((dx*dx)+(dy*dy)), dx = difference left-right, dy = difference up-down.

[Hotrod]

OK, I'll reveal the geek that I am...

The two people farthest apart:

17.51 L.A. BRONCOS FAN spdirty

The two people closest together:

0.38 Hotrod defenseman

Distance = sqrt((dx*dx)+(dy*dy)), dx = difference left-right, dy = difference up-down.

LOL tell us what we have won

[W*GS]

LOL tell us what we have won

A date? :ha:

[elsid13]

LOL tell us what we have won

Collection of naked golden girl plates

[Bob]

LOL tell us what we have won

Political eHarmony

[Bronco_Beerslug]

OK, I'll reveal the geek that I am...

The two people farthest apart:

17.51 L.A. BRONCOS FAN spdirty

The two people closest together:

0.38 Hotrod defenseman

Distance = sqrt((dx*dx)+(dy*dy)), dx = difference left-right, dy = difference up-down.I already pointed out Hotrod is dman lite.

[Bob]

H:\document\Bob

Dont know if this is accurate...I think the abortion question got me. In my opinion if a woman is raped, or in the case of incest I dont think it should be illegal as the choice of the woman was violated, and as such think she should be able to choose prayerfully.

Also PBS would be a great thing if it were neutral -- in concept a sourse of news that is not beholden to the concept that it has to entertain the hell out of us is a good thing -- because there is not a race to the bottom, with bigger and bigger spectacle, and less and less content.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

H:\document\Bob

Dont know if this is accurate...I think the abortion question got me. In my opinion if a woman is raped, or in the case of incest I dont think it should be illegal as the choice of the woman was violated, and as such think she should be able to choose prayerfully.

Also PBS would be a great thing if it were neutral -- in concept a sourse of news that is not beholden to the concept that it has to entertain the hell out of us is a good thing -- because there is not a race to the bottom, with bigger and bigger spectacle, and less and less content.

Your score places you to the left of every Democratic presidential candidate except Kucinich.

Maybe there is hope... ;)

[Bob]

Your score places you to the left of every Democratic presidential candidate except Kucinich.

Maybe there is hope... ;)

Pretty damn funny -- I dont think they really looked at their policies while making the judgement about where they stand.

[Arkie]

They looked at their voting record, public statements, manifestos, and interviews.

[Bob]

They looked at their voting record, public statements, manifestos, and interviews.

Well, its official I'm a leftist. I always knew there was something about me that was perverse....:peace:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well, its official I'm a leftist.

I always knew you were one of the good guys. :thumbs:

[cutthemdown]

It does not surprise me that folks on this board are generally way left or right -- what else would you expect from a political board on the Internet. The sad thing is when folks believe that the REAL America ideologically revolves around thier own minority views...

The truth is usually found between two extremes.

I agree. Another thing is people get polarized on on issue and then assign how you feel on that issue to all the other issues.

[Hotrod]

I already pointed out Hotrod is dman lite.

Ya, well your momma............ah nevermind

[atomicbloke]

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.05

[W*GS]

Another couple tidbits from the 20 or so folks who have done the survey:

Most left: L.A. BRONCOS FAN, -8.62
Most right: spdirty, 5.75
Most libertarian: atomicbloke, -8.05
Most authoritarian: spdirty, 4.56

Average left-right: -0.09 (dead center)
Average libertarian/authoritarian: -1.90 (somewhat libertarian)

Most distant from everyone else: L.A. BRONCOS FAN, 9.56
Closest to everyone else: eldsid13, 4.45

[Hotrod]

Another couple tidbits from the 20 or so folks who have done the survey:

Most left: L.A. BRONCOS FAN, -8.62
Most right: spdirty, 5.75
Most libertarian: atomicbloke, -8.05
Most authoritarian: spdirty, 4.56

Average left-right: -0.09 (dead center)
Average libertarian/authoritarian: -1.90 (somewhat libertarian)

Most distant from everyone else: L.A. BRONCOS FAN, 9.56
Closest to everyone else: eldsid13, 4.45

LOL now theres a real shocker

[Crushaholic]

Collection of naked golden girl plates

NOTHING says lovin' like Bea Arthur prominently displayed on the dining room wall...

[elsid13]

NOTHING says lovin' like naked Bea Arthur prominently displayed on the dining room wall...

Fixed it for you

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Most distant from everyone else: L.A. BRONCOS FAN, 9.56

http://www.assetchemist.co.uk/images/uploads/obs.bmp
http://www.norman.k12.ok.us/087/webpix/Bandwagon%20Final.jpg

[W*GS]

That's just the way it works, LABF - assuming you were being honest.

At least we have self-admitted verification of the far-left nature of your beliefs.

Your score also belies your claims to be a "liberal", when in fact, you're quite far to the Left of most "liberals".

[cutthemdown]

LBAF came in so far left on this scale it shows he is totally out of touch with reality.

[Bronco Bob]

That's just the way it works, LABF - assuming you were being honest.

At least we have self-admitted verification of the far-left nature of your beliefs.

Your score also belies your claims to be a "liberal", when in fact, you're quite far to the Left of most "liberals".

But did you notice that LABF has the same Libertarian score as you do?

The left-right is an economic scale. The up down is the social scale.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But did you notice that LABF has the same Libertarian score as you do?

Yikes!

Oh, the horror...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LBAF came in so far left on this scale it shows he is totally out of touch with reality.

If Bush were to take the test, his score would probably place him on the extreme upper-right edge of the chart.

Would you then say that Bush was "totally out of touch with reality?"

[W*GS]

But did you notice that LABF has the same Libertarian score as you do?

Yep - he's pretty much directly to my left. He's also quite a ways further left than anyone else.

The left-right is an economic scale. The up down is the social scale.

Of course. I've made an image of all of us who responded - one of these days I'll upload it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But did you notice that LABF has the same Libertarian score as you do?

The left-right is an economic scale. The up down is the social scale.

BTW, here's a challenge for W*GS:

Look at the test questions, look at all the major polls, and determine where the majority of Americans would land on the chart.

[W*GS]

If Bush were to take the test, his score would probably place him on the extreme upper-right edge of the chart.

Not quite. As of 2004:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/USelection2004.gif

[Bronco Bob]

Yikes!

Oh, the horror...

Go back and look at your charts. You are a -5.44 and W*gs is a -5.74.
You're both social Libertarians.

[W*GS]

BTW, here's a challenge for W*GS:

Look at the test questions, look at all the major polls, and determine where the majority of Americans would land on the chart.

http://www.norman.k12.ok.us/087/webpix/Bandwagon%20Final.jpg

I can safely say that very few Americans are as far Left as you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Go back and look at your charts. You are a -5.44 and W*gs is a -5.74.
You're both social Libertarians.

I noticed.

BTW, isn't it odd that W*GS is so ready and willing to uncritically accept the methodology and results of this test (in order to make his point) when he usually picks these kinds of things apart?

[W*GS]

Go back and look at your charts. You are a -5.44 and W*gs is a -5.74. You're both social Libertarians.

I'm quite liberal in both directions.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Didn't think W*GS was up to the challenge.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm quite liberal in both directions.

Does that mean you're your own "worst nightmare?"

:laugh:

[W*GS]

I noticed.

BTW, isn't it odd that W*GS is so ready and willing to uncritically accept the methodology and results of this test (in order to make his point) when he usually picks these kinds of things apart?

Now you're just in a snit because you can't wriggle out of being as far left as I've always claimed you are.

Is the compass imperfect? It sure as hell is - two axes are scarcely better than one. But given that all of us answered the same questions, we're all subject to the same flaws and biases.

No matter how much you try to deflect, the fact of the matter is that you're a left-winger.

[W*GS]

Why should I determine where most Americans are? What difference does that make, anyway?

I readily agree that my views are in the minority - and a rather small one at that.

LABF, your views are as well. Does that bother you?

[W*GS]

Does that mean you're your own "worst nightmare?"

At least we now know that when you assume the mantle of "liberal", what you're really doing is attempting to escape from your leftism.

Why are you so afraid of being a left-winger? Because conservatives will be mean to you?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LMAO @ W*GS thinking the test results say what he wants them to say about me.

Talk about desperate, eh?

Normally, W*GS picks apart and criticizes the methodologies and results of tests of this nature, but he accepts this one unconditionally and would seem to have us believe that the handful of people who chose to take the test constitute some sort of representative sample of the general population.

BTW, I've never apologized for being a "left-winger," W*GS - I simply scoff at your constant, silly, unfounded claim that my views put me on some sort of left-wing fringe relative to the majority of Americans. In order to make this charge, you have to ignore polls (which is why you refuse my challenge.)

[Bob]

Now you're just in a snit because you can't wriggle out of being as far left as I've always claimed you are.

Is the compass imperfect? It sure as hell is - two axes are scarcely better than one. But given that all of us answered the same questions, we're all subject to the same flaws and biases.

No matter how much you try to deflect, the fact of the matter is that you're a left-winger.

I think on a poll like this one, certain questions should be weighted --

what makes a person conservative or a liberal? What questions should be the MOST important? I do think it is telling that so few politicains fall in the libertarian quadrant -- and so heavily toward an authoritative approach -- maybe one reason they are so out of step with Americans in general, and why they are always working to pit people agaisnt each other -- when in reality the two parties in many ways are pretty darn simular. After each election we think we were "betrayed" when actually they were authoritarian all allong, and we were naive.

[W*GS]

LMAO @ W*GS thinking the test results say what he wants them to say about me.

Spin all you want, but your -8.62 on the left/right scale says a lot.

Talk about desperate, eh?

The only desperation I see is from you getting all pissy about where you plopped yourself on the grid. Whose fault is that?

Normally, W*GS picks apart and criticizes the methodologies and results of tests of this nature, but he accepts this one unconditionally and would seem to have us believe that the handful of people who chose to take the test constitute some sort of representative sample of the general population.

I don't see anyone else here whining about where they landed on the grid. Where I am seems reasonable to me, and given what we know of each other's histories, where people are makes sense. Certainly, if you had landed right/authoritarian, you'd have an argument. But as far left as you are, that makes sense.

BTW, I've never apologized for being a "left-winger," W*GS - I simply scoff at your constant, silly, unfounded claim that my views put me on some sort of left-wing fringe relative to the majority of Americans.

Seeing as how a middle-of-the-road person would likely score with 1 point any direction of center, and you put yourself 8.62 points to the left, yeah, it's safe to say you're on the left-wing fringe.

In order to make this charge, you have to ignore polls (which is why you refuse my challenge.)

What polls put the majority of Americans within a point or two of you on the left side?

This

http://www.norman.k12.ok.us/087/webpix/Bandwagon%20Final.jpg

is all you're doing, just like when you used to mention your high rep. Snore.

You're farther left than Kucinich or Gravel:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png

[Bob]

Now you're just in a snit because you can't wriggle out of being as far left as I've always claimed you are.

Is the compass imperfect? It sure as hell is - two axes are scarcely better than one. But given that all of us answered the same questions, we're all subject to the same flaws and biases.

No matter how much you try to deflect, the fact of the matter is that you're a left-winger.

He should just embrace it...

I think folks want to think they are just another guy, that most "normal" guys think as they do --- reality is they are alone in a basement at midnight violently farting into political cyberspace.

Hell, I am man enough to admit that I am in the minority on most issues -- it does not make a person "wrong" or a view less viable -- but it is egocentric to think that you hold a majority view when you think Rosie is reasonable.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Now W*GS has resorted to a circular argument, i.e., one in which he is substitutes his premise (the test methodology is unassailable) for his conclusion (LABF must reside on some sort of left-wing fringe relative to most Americans.)

Amazing how W*GS is always ready to bend the rules of logic - rules to which he strictly adheres when it's convenient - to suit himself.

[W*GS]

I think on a poll like this one, certain questions should be weighted

That's what the author(s) attempted to do with the four levels of agreement/disagreement. Perhaps they weighted each question as well, from perusing the FAQ:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/faq

it's not clear.

what makes a person conservative or a liberal?

That's not an easy question to answer.

What questions should be the MOST important?

Read the FAQ for some insight in the intentions of the authors.

I do think it is telling that so few politicains fall in the libertarian quadrant -- and so heavily toward an authoritative approach -- maybe one reason they are so out of step with Americans in general, and why they are always working to pit people agaisnt each other -- when in reality the two parties in many ways are pretty darn simular. After each election we think we were "betrayed" when actually they were authoritarian all allong, and we were naive.

Politicians always favor more authority. It gives them a feeling of importance, and gives them more power.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He should just embrace it...


W*GS should provide some examples that I have denied my status as a liberal.

[Bronco Bob]

At least we now know that when you assume the mantle of "liberal", what you're really doing is attempting to escape from your leftism.

Why are you so afraid of being a left-winger? Because conservatives will be mean to you?

It is interesting that the left wing libertarians include people like
Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, and the Dalai Lama.
But again it seems like you are missing the point of the way
that chart is laid out. The left-right part of the chart deals
with economic philosophy. As far as social philosophy,
authoritarian-libertarian, you to are almost exactly the same.
And yet you seem to be trying to paint LABF as extreme
on social matters.

Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period

You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process.

In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily "right wing", with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It is interesting that the left wing libertarians include people like
Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, and the Dalai Lama.
But again it seems like you are missing the point of the way
that chart is laid out. The left-right part of the chart deals
with economic philosophy. As far as social philosophy,
authoritarian-libertarian, you to are almost exactly the same.
And yet you seem to be trying to paint LABF as extreme
on social matters.


This is the sort of double standard we've come to expect from W*GS.

[JCMElway]

The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.67

I'm down by Bronco Bob.

[W*GS]

Now W*GS has resorted to a circular argument, i.e., one in which he is substitutes his premise (the test methodology is unassailable)

You're lying. I never said that, in fact, I said just the opposite:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1815628&postcount=83

for his conclusion (LABF must reside on some sort of left-wing fringe relative to most Americans.)

I'm not the one whose answers gave me a -8.62 on the left/right scale.

Amazing how W*GS is always ready to bend the rules of logic - rules to which he strictly adheres when it's convenient - to suit himself.

Out of the 20 or so people here on the OM who have taken it, you're the only one upset. Why?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth

http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/report

Trends in Political Values and Core Attitudes: 1987-2007

Political Landscape More Favorable To Democrats

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=312

http://www.pewtrusts.org/news_room_ektid20896.aspx

[W*GS]

It is interesting that the left wing libertarians include people like Mahatma Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, and the Dalai Lama. But again it seems like you are missing the point of the way that chart is laid out. The left-right part of the chart deals with economic philosophy. As far as social philosophy, authoritarian-libertarian, you to are almost exactly the same. And yet you seem to be trying to paint LABF as extreme on social matters.

Nope. Re-read what I've said. He's at an extreme on the left/right scale - further left than any person I've seen plotted on the test's home page.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Not upset - laughing at W*GS thinking the test says what he wants it to say (and his decision to ignore Bronco Bob's last post.)

:laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

As far as social philosophy,
authoritarian-libertarian, you to are almost exactly the same.
And yet you seem to be trying to paint LABF as extreme
on social matters.


What does this say about W*GS?

(Hint: Starts with an 'h'...) ;)

[W*GS]

The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth

Snort. Why, then, is Hillary Clinton the favorite, and Kucinich and Gravel are irrelevancies?

Why are you trying so darned hard to make yourself part of the majority?

Besides:

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

Of course they're going to present selected results from polls that show that in fact, most, if not all, Americans are just as "progressive" as they are. I don't doubt there's a right-wing organization out there that can marshall just as much evidence to show that in fact, most, if not all, Americans are just as "conservative" as they are. Hell, there's probably a libertarian organization that plays the same game...

Political spin isn't a new game - too bad you can't see it when it comes from your realm...

Political Landscape More Favorable To Democrats

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png

Figure out where you are relative to the blue dots in the above picture, LABF, and tell me you're a mainstream Democrat.

[W*GS]

Nope. Re-read what I've said. He's at an extreme on the left/right scale - further left than any person I've seen plotted on the test's home page.

I take the above back. Stalin's pretty far left, too. A long ways away from LABF on the authoritarian/libertarian scale, but economically, not that far.

[Bob]

The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth

http://mediamatters.org/progmaj/report

Trends in Political Values and Core Attitudes: 1987-2007

Political Landscape More Favorable To Democrats

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=312

http://www.pewtrusts.org/news_room_ektid20896.aspx

When trying to make a point, you may want to consider a source that has more traction than media matters ...

As I would not qoute from the Michael Savage website when making a point to those left of center.

Just a thought...

[W*GS]

W*GS should provide some examples that I have denied my status as a liberal.

You're a left-winger, not a liberal. You call yourself a "liberal" because you're too cowardly to admit to being a left-winger.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

When trying to make a point, you may want to consider a source that has more traction than media matters ...

I included the direct link to the Pew Research Poll also, but nice attempt to poison the well.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

W*GS needs to provide an example of me describing myself as a "mainstream Democrat."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL @ W*GS' continued attempts to hijack the word "liberal" to describe his anti-democracy/pro-corporatocracy ideology.

[W*GS]

W*GS needs to provide an example of me describing myself as a "mainstream Democrat."

You've made it quite clear that you're all ga-ga over Bill Clinton.

'Nuff said.

[W*GS]

LOL @ W*GS' continued attempts to hijack the word "liberal" to describe his anti-democracy/pro-corporatocracy ideology.

I'm no less anti-authoritarian than you are, so you're just as "anti-democracy".

I also extend my liberal beliefs to economic matters, whereas you want massive State control, in the realm of Stalin. I'm not "pro-corporatocracy", but you're clearly anti-capitalism and pro-socialism.

If anyone is covering their ideology by the use of the term "liberal", you are.

[Rohirrim]

Here's mine:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.62&soc=-2.87

On the Nolan Chart, I'm dead center on Libertarian. I don't know what any of these are worth. You should also have a way to gauge which issues are most important to a person's political philosophy.

[baja]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.75&soc=-7.59

[Rohirrim]

I agree with TJ. I think this chart grossly misrepresents Ron Paul's political philosophy.

[W*GS]

I agree. Probably because of his pro-life stance, that alone probably shoves him quite a ways upward.

This sort of thing is an improvement on the old 1-D thinking, but two axes aren't sufficient. Ron Paul shows that. Some of the questions that would seem to lead towards a higher authoritarian number may not necessarily be that.

Until we know what the weights are attached to each question, and the numbers given for each response (is it -10, -5, 5, 10, or what?) it's rather hard to determine if the test is reasonably accurate.

[W*GS]

Unfortunately, it looks like getting how the algorithm works is impossible. From the FAQ:

Can you provide your scoring details so that students/colleagues can respond to the propositions with pencil and paper ?
We get many such requests from teachers, lecturers and students.

While we're delighted for whole classes to take the test online - and many do - we have a strict policy against releasing this information.

[baja]

I'm at the same place as the Dalli Llama

[Meck77]

I'm on the compass for CHANGE. There is so much corruption going on within the federal level and local level it's unbelievable.

You dems aren't going to like this but the Democratic leaders of Colorado allowed the land grabbing going on here to happen here. I've dug into the voting records and it was the DEMS who gave local goverments like RTD and other municipalities the power to steal people's land. It's a shame.

I've talked to a couple of democratic senators/house members that regret voting for the bills that gave local gov the ability to take private land and hand it over to developers for profit. Some even told me they didn't understand the bill they voted in favor for.

It's scary and I'm sure other cities are no different then Denver.

My vote is for Ron Paul. Yeah he's not perfect but if you think the war in Iraq is going the wrong way, If you think our government should function something remotely close to how our forefathers intended it to run then a vote for anyone else is a vote for more of the same corruption and profiting by individuals from the local goverment all the way to FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM. They are STEALING money from all of us every damn day. Sorry Hillary won't change that, Mcain won't change that.

Only RON PAUL has the balls to change this country. Do you?

[W*GS]

Last one for today... Much easier now - all automagical...

[Hotrod]

Last one for today... Much easier now - all automagical...

Well I'll say this much...........It aint easy being only one of a handful that are in the "right".............;D

[alkemical]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.62&soc=-4.92

[cutthemdown]

I'm at the same place as the Dalli Llama

Which shows how out of touch you are.

[alkemical]

Wow, you are up there on the doucebaggery scale today aren't ya.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well I'll say this much...........It aint easy being only one of a handful that are in the "right".............;D

Have you been greeted with flowers yet? :giggle:

[W*GS]

Now with dots to point exactly to where we all are... Last one until more people take the quiz.

[Requiem]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-2.00&soc=-3.5

Although I'd question the validity of some of those questions.

[Bob]

Any surprises in where people landed? I guess I dont think anyone including myself would have thought that I was just a tad right. On security I think that I amy be as far right as one can go, but when folks make judgements around here security might take more wieght than other issues. I am labled as neocon (which I am ok with) But lables of neocon in one area do not mean broader application accross all boundries, obviously. I think what makes it hard on a quiz of this type is there is little place for nuance. Strongly agree, agree, disagree, or strongly degree does force ones hand...

[Spider]

well I am No liberal , I am a blue dog union loving democrat .....I am not anti war , I am anti war we have no business being in , I dont like nation building .......I am for universal healthcare , though I dont mind free trade , as long as it is fair .........

[Arkie]

from the Canadians: "Bloc Québécois presented us with a real challenge, since it is primarily a single-goal party promoting Québec independence. As such, it attracts members from all quadrants of The Political Compass who often have little else in common."
http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/canada2005.gif

We are like the Bloc Québécois, members from all over the political compass with little else in common except we all like the Broncos. :yayaya: Look, they are in the same place as the average* here. Interesting.

*according to W*GS graph

[W*GS]

A couple people added...

[W*GS]

Newest statistics:

Closest: 0.13, Rigs11 and Spider
Farthest: 17.51, L.A. BRONCOS FAN and spdirty

Closest to average: 4.07, TheDave
Farthest from average: 9.89, spdirty

Closest to origin: 0.56, cutthemdown
Farthest from origin: 10.19, L.A. BRONCOS FAN

[cutthemdown]

The placement of me on the compass is a bit misleading because I have some issues that pull me left.

One- I think drugs should be legal
Two-I don't support overturning Roe v Wade

I think if I re-took the test and answered differently to those 2 questions I would move a tad further to the right.

[cutthemdown]

The funny thing is how far left LABF is. Poor guy being that far left has never and will never have a President of The USA that is even close to his views.

I guess that's good for him in a way because really he just likes to bitch and complain. This way he can bitch and complain all he wants, forever.

A guy with policies like Bill Clinton is far closer to my views then he is to LABF or BAJA.

[alkemical]

baja is about as "left" as he is libertarian.

[The Lone Bolt]

Not that it will change the minds of some here who are convinced that I'm a neocon but here's mine:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.25&soc=-5.59

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59


Didn't clavicusolomonisenfaoidobfajke say he was a right-winger?

[cutthemdown]

Baja is pretty far from mainstream and it shows in his posts and in this compass.

[baja]

Baja is pretty far from mainstream and it shows in his posts and in this compass.

I am exactly where the Dalli Llama is on the chart.

Not bad company!

[alkemical]

Not that it will change the minds of some here who are convinced that I'm a neocon but here's mine:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.25&soc=-5.59

Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59


Didn't clavicusolomonisenfaoidobfajke say he was a right-winger?

Nope, i'm more an anarchist - but i realize until people are able to handle such freedom responsibly - i have to make a concession.

[alkemical]

I am exactly where the Dalli Llama is on the chart.

Not bad company!

You know that H. D. Thoreau's "civil disob..." was a good foundation for MLK & Ghandi's work?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The funny thing is how far left LABF is. Poor guy being that far left has never and will never have a President of The USA that is even close to his views.

:laugh:

This comment shows your ignorance re: American history.

Further, do you really consider a sample taken from a group of people on a football forum to be representative of the general American population?

I guess that's good for him in a way because really he just likes to b**** and complain. This way he can b**** and complain all he wants, forever.

Gee, you're right: none of my complaints about your boy Dubya have any basis in fact or reality - I just post them because I like to complain.

That's the ticket.

Whatever gets you through the night.

A guy with policies like Bill Clinton is far closer to my views then he is to LABF or BAJA.

Really?

Then your support for Clinton (vs. my comparative lack of support) should be a matter of public record here, right?

As usual, your perceptions and your claims have no basis in reality.

[cutthemdown]

Maybe if Jimmy Carter runs again you will have your man.

[TheDave]

Newest statistics:

Closest: 0.13, Rigs11 and Spider
Farthest: 17.51, L.A. BRONCOS FAN and spdirty

Closest to average: 4.07, TheDave
Farthest from average: 9.89, spdirty

Closest to origin: 0.56, cutthemdown
Farthest from origin: 10.19, L.A. BRONCOS FAN

I finally make a ****ing list and it is for "Most Average"...


****...****...****

[24champ]

here is mine...


Economic Left/Right: 0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.79

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.38&soc=2.10

[JCMElway]

A couple people added...

The only person here that's more of a lefty than I am is LA Broncos fan. Sheesh, I guess I am a wacky liberal......

[24champ]

The only person here that's more of a lefty than I am is LA Broncos fan. Sheesh, I guess I am a wacky liberal......

and to boot you live in Texas.Hilarious!

[cutthemdown]

The only person here that's more of a lefty than I am is LA Broncos fan. Sheesh, I guess I am a wacky liberal......

You don't even come close to LABF. And all of us are wacky because we follow politics. That right there puts us in a small group. Most Americans can't even name who their senators are or who is running for President. If you asked them what NAFTA stood for they would say is that a new hip hop group?

[cutthemdown]

If we don't get at least 75 percent voter turnout this election then I give up on Americans even caring. 90 percent can complain about how bad the leaders are then what like 30 percent actually vote? It's a disgrace and I think voting is one of the coolest things there is. What's going on in this country? I'll take someone like LABF who actually cares over someone who doesn't even vote anyday. It's one thing to have differing opinions but having no opinion at all is pathetic IMO.

[baja]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/internationalchart.gif

[baja]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm over there in the same neighborhood as Gandhi, Mandela, and The Dalai Lama.

It's despicable, I tell ya! ;)

[JCMElway]

and to boot you live in Texas.Hilarious!

Well, I'm a Texan by way of Colorado and then Michigan, so not a hardcore son of the south. Pluswhich I'm in Austin, which isn't really even Texas. It's like Texas lite. A little Blue oasis in a sea of Red. However, Bushie only won Texas 60-40% in the last election. Things can change.....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

However, Bushie only won Texas 60-40% in the last election. Things can change.....

Yep.

I wonder what the Kennebunkport Cowboy's approval numbers in his "home" state look like nowadays?

http://www.bartcop.com/bush-pigs.jpg

[JCMElway]

Couldn't find any numbers on his App. rating down here, but I'd guess it was around 42% or so, about 10 above the national average.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Couldn't find any numbers on his App. rating down here, but I'd guess it was around 42% or so, about 10 above the national average.

Ha!

You know what's left of Bush's "mandate" is circling the drain when he's polling at ~42% in Texas!

http://www.bartcop.com/arctic-monument.jpg

[cutthemdown]

I'm over there in the same neighborhood as Gandhi, Mandela, and The Dalai Lama.

It's despicable, I tell ya! ;)

Can you name any Presidents who would fall as far left as you do?

I wish they would put Carter up and see where he falls.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Can you name any Presidents who would fall as far left as you do?

I wish they would put Carter up and see where he falls.

Take a look at where all the 'Democratic' presidential candidates land on the chart.

I'm not sure how long you've been around to observe, but things haven't always been this way.

Even a republican president like Eisenhower was more liberal than these clowns.

[SoCalBronco]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=1.88&soc=-1.44

[cutthemdown]

Take a look at where all the 'Democratic' presidential candidates land on the chart.

I'm not sure how long you've been around to observe, but things haven't always been this way.

Even a republican president like Eisenhower was more liberal than these clowns.

LOL I fall more left then all of them too. That's the point I've been trying to make that there are no liberal democrats for you to support. That's why I think you are so bitter and such an attack dog. It must be frustrating for you to go years and years with no leaders that even come close to your views.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's why I think you are so bitter and such an attack dog.

All you are doing is advertising your bias with this kind of statement.

If you can reduce criticism of Bush to personal "bitterness" or "hatred" then you don't have to assess whether the criticism is valid or not.

It's a typical right-wing tactic.

In any case, the fact that more Americans aren't positively livid about what Bush and his gang of criminals are doing to their country is just a testament to how apathetic and stupid people have become.


It must be frustrating for you to go years and years with no leaders that even come close to your views.

I didn't agree with everything they did, but I was pretty happy with Clinton/Gore. (I'm surprised you don't already know this.)

[Bronco Bob]

It's interesting that as much as defenseman hates Hillary,
their political philosophies are almost identical. I guess it's
true, you always hate the one you love.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Looks like only spdirty is farther to the right than W*GS on the graph.

(What a surprise.) ;)

[Rohirrim]

What is the Lone Bolt doing down there with the Lefties?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What is the Lone Bolt doing down there with the Lefties?

Sort of exposes the limitations of the test as an assessment tool, doesn't it? ;)

[The Lone Bolt]

Sort of exposes the limitations of the test as an assessment tool, doesn't it? ;)

Well we don't know if this instrument has been validated but it seems to have pegged you, no?

BTW thanks W*GS for the compilation chart.:thumbsup:

[W*GS]

Sort of exposes the limitations of the test as an assessment tool, doesn't it?

We assume that person X is providing honest assessments of the propositions.

Doesn't mean the test is flawed. But as per usual, you're the only one whining about it.

[TheDave]

Did I take this test?

[baja]

Did I take this test?

Yes and you failed miserably. ;D

[orangeatheist]

Hmmm....this is interesting:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.00&soc=-2.21

[W*GS]

Did I take this test?

Yep, sometime before 29 July 2005, which is when I last recorded numbers.

[W*GS]

Newest chart. I added Stalin, Hitler, Gandhi, Thatcher and Milton Friedman, based on reasonable values I could guess from the chart with them on the politicalcompass page. No, I didn't use them to compute the average OMer.

[TheDave]

Yep, sometime before 29 July 2005, which is when I last recorded numbers.

Gotcha...

So July 29 2005 was the day dave became the most average... what a proud moment.

[baja]

Are you average? You are lumped in there with so many others i can't tell. ;D

[Bob]

24Champbailey is my long-lost clone...or he copied the correct answers from the answer key.

[Hotrod]

Well its obvious that a large % of the OrangeMane are tree huggin hippies.

[24champ]

24Champbailey is my long-lost clone...or he copied the correct answers from the answer key.

Or.... we both are the smartest fellas politically on the Mane.;D

[baja]

did he say smart fella or fart smeller?

[TheDave]

Well its obvious that a large % of the OrangeMane are tree huggin hippies.

Well at least I was in 05' (I was teaching then)

But since i was forced back into the private sector... I'm a lot more Capitalistic these days. ;D

[defenseman]

It's interesting that as much as defenseman hates Hillary,
their political philosophies are almost identical. I guess it's
true, you always hate the one you love.

I hate very few, Hillary is not among them. However, I just don't trust the broad. That about sums it up......dman

[defenseman]

Well at least I was in 05' (I was teaching then)

But since i was forced back into the private sector... I'm a lot more Capitalistic these days. ;D

you'll come around to the "dark" side soon enough...dman

[Dudeskey]

No surprise where I ended up...
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-7.12&soc=-4.87

[TheDave]

you'll come around to the "dark" side soon enough...dman

I'm a registered repulican and an ex Banker... I can't go to much farther to the Dark-Side than that.

[baja]

No surprise where I ended up...
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-7.12&soc=-4.87

Surprised the shiit out of me!!!

[orangeatheist]

Well at least I was in 05' (I was teaching then)

But since i was forced back into the private sector... I'm a lot more Capitalistic these days. ;D

I'm quite surprised by my place on the map. I figured I be closer to the place like where Arkie fell. Given a few more questions I may have drifted that direction....

[W*GS]

OK, now that I've put the 2008 candidates on the compass, we can each vote for the closest candidate to our views. Here's the list of our closest candidates.

Caveat: "Close" may not be that close...

Oh, and the winners are:
14 Dem Mike Gravel
6 Dem Hillary Clinton
6 Dem Dennis Kucinich
5 Dem John Edwards
1 GOP John McCain

Vote, vote, vote!

24champbailey 1.87 Dem John Edwards
Arkie 5.74 Dem Hillary Clinton
Bob 2.00 Dem John Edwards
Bronco Beerslug 0.72 Dem Mike Gravel
Bronco Bob 2.05 Dem Mike Gravel
Clarker 3.87 Dem Hillary Clinton
Crushaholic 1.37 Dem Hillary Clinton
Falconer 0.57 Dem Mike Gravel
Hogan11 6.75 Dem Hillary Clinton
Hotrod 0.80 Dem John Edwards
JCMElway 4.26 Dem Mike Gravel
L.A. BRONCOS FAN 6.68 Dem Mike Gravel
Rascal 3.86 Dem John Edwards
Requiem 1.46 Dem Mike Gravel
Rigs11 1.37 Dem Mike Gravel
Rohirrim 1.18 Dem Dennis Kucinich
SoCalBronco 3.33 Dem John Edwards
Spider 1.27 Dem Mike Gravel
TailgateNut 2.89 Dem Mike Gravel
The Lone Bolt 3.38 Dem Mike Gravel
TheDave 0.97 Dem Dennis Kucinich
Tom H. 1.25 Dem Dennis Kucinich
Urinal_Cake 5.10 Dem Mike Gravel
W*GS 7.68 Dem Hillary Clinton
atomicbloke 5.81 Dem Mike Gravel
baja fan 5.70 Dem Mike Gravel
claviculasolomonis 2.90 Dem Mike Gravel
cutthemdown 2.38 Dem Dennis Kucinich
defenseman 0.77 Dem Hillary Clinton
elsid13 2.91 Dem Dennis Kucinich
orangeatheist 1.30 Dem Dennis Kucinich
spdirty 0.21 GOP John McCain

[TailgateNut]

Nobody's even near Ron Paul!

[Spider]

OK, now that I've put the 2008 candidates on the compass, we can each vote for the closest candidate to our views. Here's the list of our closest candidates.

Caveat: "Close" may not be that close...

Oh, and the winners are:
14 Dem Mike Gravel
6 Dem Hillary Clinton
6 Dem Dennis Kucinich
5 Dem John Edwards
1 GOP John McCain

Vote, vote, vote!

24champbailey 1.87 Dem John Edwards
Arkie 5.74 Dem Hillary Clinton
Bob 2.00 Dem John Edwards
Bronco Beerslug 0.72 Dem Mike Gravel
Bronco Bob 2.05 Dem Mike Gravel
Clarker 3.87 Dem Hillary Clinton
Crushaholic 1.37 Dem Hillary Clinton
Falconer 0.57 Dem Mike Gravel
Hogan11 6.75 Dem Hillary Clinton
Hotrod 0.80 Dem John Edwards
JCMElway 4.26 Dem Mike Gravel
L.A. BRONCOS FAN 6.68 Dem Mike Gravel
Rascal 3.86 Dem John Edwards
Requiem 1.46 Dem Mike Gravel
Rigs11 1.37 Dem Mike Gravel
Rohirrim 1.18 Dem Dennis Kucinich
SoCalBronco 3.33 Dem John Edwards
Spider 1.27 Dem Mike Gravel
TailgateNut 2.89 Dem Mike Gravel
The Lone Bolt 3.38 Dem Mike Gravel
TheDave 0.97 Dem Dennis Kucinich
Tom H. 1.25 Dem Dennis Kucinich
Urinal_Cake 5.10 Dem Mike Gravel
W*GS 7.68 Dem Hillary Clinton
atomicbloke 5.81 Dem Mike Gravel
baja fan 5.70 Dem Mike Gravel
claviculasolomonis 2.90 Dem Mike Gravel
cutthemdown 2.38 Dem Dennis Kucinich
defenseman 0.77 Dem Hillary Clinton
elsid13 2.91 Dem Dennis Kucinich
orangeatheist 1.30 Dem Dennis Kucinich
spdirty 0.21 GOP John McCain

that took alot of work ........ Very not bad ;D

[orangeatheist]

OK, now that I've put the 2008 candidates on the compass, we can each vote for the closest candidate to our views. Here's the list of our closest candidates.

orangeatheist 1.30 Dem Dennis Kucinich


Not only no, but **** no.

There's something wrong with that "map" or I was too distracted when I took the test.

[orangeatheist]

When I took the test earlier, I was on a conference call. A boring conference call, but a call nonetheless. I took the test again after W*GS paired me with Kucinich which just about turned my stomach and this time I paid undivided attention to the questions. Here's how it turned out:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.25&soc=-1.54

Exactly as I thought. Closer to SoCal on the scale.

But what did that get me? Edwards??

My God, why hast thou foresaken me?

[W*GS]

Not only no, but **** no.

There's something wrong with that "map" or I was too distracted when I took the test.

Here are your choices:

1.30 Dem Dennis Kucinich
1.75 Dem Mike Gravel
5.22 Dem John Edwards
6.22 Dem Joe Biden
6.26 Dem Hillary Clinton
6.69 Dem Barack Obama
7.12 Dem Chris Dodd
8.12 Dem Bill Richardson
9.36 GOP John McCain
9.78 GOP Rudy Giuliani
10.03 GOP Ron Paul
10.76 GOP Mike Huckabee
11.20 GOP Duncan Hunter
11.92 GOP Sam Brownback
12.47 GOP Fred Thompson
12.58 GOP Mitt Romney
13.27 GOP Tom Tancredo
13.70 GOP Alan Keyes

[Hotrod]

When I took the test earlier, I was on a conference call. A boring conference call, but a call nonetheless. I took the test again after W*GS paired me with Kucinich which just about turned my stomach and this time I paid undivided attention to the questions. Here's how it turned out:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.25&soc=-1.54

Exactly as I thought. Closer to SoCal on the scale.

But what did that get me? Edwards??

My God, why hast thou foresaken me?

I know our pain.

[orangeatheist]

I know our pain.

Looking at your sig quote, Hotrod, why can't we find another Tommy J to run for office?

[Hotrod]

Looking at your sig quote, Hotrod, why can't we find another Tommy J to run for office?

I would guess its because they dont want us too.

[Arkie]

If Jefferson were running today, he would seem more extreme than Ron Paul. It took extraordinary ideas from outside the box to create this great country. None of them would fly today. A lot of people would have to give up too much power for Jefferson, but Ron Paul may be Tommy J Lite.

[elsid13]

Remember that Jefferson was just as human as the rest of us. The only difference is that history and myth has remove a lot of his human failings.

[Arkie]

Jefferson was revolutionary (bad pun), but he had his faults. He was a slave owner and purchased the Louisiana Territory from the French's "ownership" of the Indians' land. Those two things are the complete opposite of liberty. However, if you applied his philosophy to all people instead of just white men, you have the best system for the success of the human race.

[Bob]

If Jefferson were running today, he would seem more extreme than Ron Paul. It took extraordinary ideas from outside the box to create this great country. None of them would fly today. A lot of people would have to give up too much power for Jefferson, but Ron Paul may be Tommy J Lite.

I think Jefferson would be on the right (where Ron Paul is in the graph) but two or three lines down on the libertarian quadrant. Not sure what is wrong with the graph -- but Ron Paul should be left of his current position and down about 4 lines.

[Bob]

Someone explain this to me ...

I know this is just a fun excercise -- but where is the disconnect? If the Dems like John Edwards, Hilary etc took this test -- they would be all shifted over 5 lines to the left -- I really think that would be more accurate... I know that Hilarry is not as left as some think, but from abortion, to healthcare, to the war in Iraq, to limited role of government -- all of us like defenceman who have these views are scoring to the left of Hilary? I dont think so...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well we don't know if this instrument has been validated but it seems to have pegged you, no?

You talk in contradictions.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

When I took the test earlier, I was on a conference call. A boring conference call, but a call nonetheless. I took the test again after W*GS paired me with Kucinich which just about turned my stomach and this time I paid undivided attention to the questions. Here's how it turned out:

Sounds like an attempt to manipulate the outcome.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No surprise where I ended up...


Interesting that the majority of people who took the test - including some righties - ended up on the left side of the vertical axis (far to the left of the Democratic front runners.)

[Bob]

You talk in contradictions.

Doesnt it seem to be more accurate for those that identify themselves as being progressive? Is Obama really "right" of me politically? You can put in a fun, jab or too (I would) but on most issues, I would be right of Huckabee (except abortion, and wanting less power for corporations)

But, on border issues, security, small government, gunn control -- I would doubt it.

[baja]

Interesting that the majority of people who took the test - including some righties - ended up on the left side of the vertical axis (far to the left of the Democratic front runners.)

where is the graph showing the candidates?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You can put in a fun, jab or too (I would) but on most issues, I would be right of Huckabee (except abortion, and wanting less power for corporations)

Sort of calls the validity of the test into question, doesn't it?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

where is the graph showing the candidates?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=20704&stc=1&d=1197348109

[W*GS]

Still whining, eh, LABF?

It's not a test - it's a set of propositions. You're still the only one complaining that it put you so far left. Why is that? Why aren't you a proud left-winger? What are you ashamed of? It's hilarious to hear your sour grapes...

[cutthemdown]

Democrats are actually way further left then that but they are afraid to say things like I don't think constitution meant individuals should have guns etc. They are afraid to say corporation are all evil. Why because they need that corporate money to get power just like any politician.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Democrats are actually way further left then that but they are afraid to say things like I don't think constitution meant individuals should have guns etc. They are afraid to say corporation are all evil. Why because they need that corporate money to get power just like any politician.

Holy cow! Debunking your straw man arguments is becomming a full-time job.

1) Saying that we should do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals does not = opposition to the 2ond Amendment.

2) Arguing for regulation of corporations does not = the position that "all corporations are evil."

We already tried it your way, and we ended up with Enron.

[baja]

Holy cow! Debunking your straw man arguments is becomming a full-time job.

1) Saying that we should do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals does not = opposition to the 2ond Amendment.

2) Arguing for regulation of corporations does not = the position that "all corporations are evil."

We already tried it your way, and we ended up with Enron.

The idiot child does have a point though LABF, today's politician has become expert at talking without saying anything of substance, They are the most slippery slimly poor excuse of a human being we have. That is what make Ron Paul so damn refreshing.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The idiot child does have a point though LABF, today's politician has become expert at talking without saying anything of substance, They are the most slippery slimly poor excuse of a human being we have. That is what make Ron Paul so damn refreshing.

I won't argue with that, but he didn't say "politicians" - he said "Democrats."

[Arkie]

Sort of calls the validity of the test into question, doesn't it?

yep. But, it shows where we are in relation to each other because we all took the same test.

[24champ]

24champbailey 1.87 Dem John Edwards




John Edwards in 08! :thumbsup:


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[W*GS]

1) Saying that we should do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of criminals does not = opposition to the 2ond Amendment.

Lemme guess - "criminal" is defined as "someone who wants to own a gun".

2) Arguing for regulation of corporations does not = the position that "all corporations are evil."

"Regulation" being defined as "no economic activity takes place without strict, rigorous and invasive State control".

We already tried it your way, and we ended up with Enron.

Humanity already tried your economics - we got the gulag, the Great Leap Forward, the killing fields, and juche. 100 million corpses don't lie.

[Bronco Bob]

Lemme guess - "criminal" is defined as "someone who wants to own a gun".

You'd let John Dillinger and Machine Gun Kelly have a 2nd amendment right to a gun.



"Regulation" being defined as "no economic activity takes place without strict, rigorous and invasive State control".



Humanity already tried your economics - we got the gulag, the Great Leap Forward, the killing fields, and juche. 100 million corpses don't lie.

[/QUOTE]

And your way gave us child labor, sweat shops, the Ludlow mine massacre,
black lung disease, Love Canal.

[cutthemdown]

I won't argue with that, but he didn't say "politicians" - he said "Democrats."

Republicans would be way further right if they were honest and said things like I should be able to record all your phone calls. If your not guilty then you have nothing to hide.

Happy now?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Republicans would be way further right if they were honest and said things like I should be able to record all your phone calls. If your not guilty then you have nothing to hide.

Happy now?

That's not all that far from the kinds of things Bush and other repubs are already on record saying.

Dig deeper.

[cutthemdown]

Democrats reveal there plan to thwart Republican spying.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Republicans would be way further right if they were honest and said things like I should be able to record all your phone calls. If your not guilty then you have nothing to hide.

If?

http://www.takeoverworld.info/images/emperor_bush_dictator_quote.jpg

We would need a graph with a much longer horizontal axis to show how far to the right Bush and his rubber stamp GOP Congress pushed America.

[W*GS]

We would need a graph with a much longer horizontal axis to show how far to the right Bush and his rubber stamp GOP Congress pushed America.

Not to the right - up.

You see, saying that Bush and the GOP Congress pushed the US past Hitler and Stalin on the authoritarian scale makes people believe you're a loony.

[W*GS]

You'd let John Dillinger and Machine Gun Kelly have a 2nd amendment right to a gun.

They'd have guns regardless of the law. It's folks like you who think criminals obey the law.

And your way gave us child labor, sweat shops, the Ludlow mine massacre, black lung disease, Love Canal.

Not quite. Even if all the above were knocks against capitalism (which they aren't), they're just the slightest shade of gray compared to the utter black of the things I mentioned. Those 100 million dead weren't victims of war - they were victims of governments.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Who said anything about Hitler and Stalin?

W*GS just makes it up as he goes along.

[W*GS]

Who said anything about Hitler and Stalin?

The Bush administration's attacks on our civil liberties (i.e., warrantless wiretapping) doesn't push them to the right on the compass; it pushes them upward into a more-authoritarian stance.

W*GS just makes it up as he goes along.

You're still having problems with a 2-D political map, aren't you?

[baja]

I hate it when a good thread spirals down into a he said she said pissing match between Wags and LABF

[Dudeskey]

Democrats are actually way further left then that but they are afraid to say things like I don't think constitution meant individuals should have guns etc. They are afraid to say corporation are all evil. Why because they need that corporate money to get power just like any politician.

True, and therein lies the problem in politics in general... Too much money in politics and politicians wind up representing the fat cats instead of us. We can thank Buckley v. Vallejo for that.

[orangeatheist]

I hate it when a good thread spirals down into a he said she said pissing match between Wags and LABF

I don't mind it when you can find gems like this:

You're still having problems with a 2-D political map, aren't you?

:spit:

[W*GS]

Last one this year... Included the 04 candidates as well.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't mind it when you can find gems like this:


Buying W*GS' fool's gold again, are you?

W*GS won't acknowledge the fact that Bush would be off the chart on both axes - the vertical and horizontal.

I wonder why?

[W*GS]

Buying W*GS' fool's gold again, are you?

W*GS won't acknowledge the fact that Bush would be off the chart on both axes - the vertical and horizontal.

Whose "fact" would mean that Bush is more pro-market than Milton Friedman, and Bush is more authoritarian than Stalin or Hitler. Only in your bizarro-world are those "facts".

Your looniness is revealed!

I wonder why?

I wonder what possesses you to make such an asinine comment.

Interestingly, despite your protests to the contrary, the best description of your dogma would be socialism.

[W*GS]

Bump.

C'mon, folks, if you haven't taken the survey at

http://www.politicalcompass.org

Take it, report your results here, and I'll plop you onto the OM chart. It's fun, it's easy, and it's cool. And you certainly won't whine as much as LABF about it, either...

[baja]

Bump.

C'mon, folks, if you haven't taken the survey at

http://www.politicalcompass.org

Take it, report your results here, and I'll plop you onto the OM chart. It's fun, it's easy, and it's cool. And you certainly won't whine as much as LABF about it, either...

It's good of you to do the chart but can't you spread the names out somewhat and draw a line to the dot so we can read them.

[Rohirrim]

I just printed out Ron Paul's statements on issues and took the test using that as a guide. I came up with this:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=6.75&soc=-4.05

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

C'mon, folks, if you haven't taken the survey at

http://www.politicalcompass.org

Take it, report your results here, and I'll plop you onto the OM chart. It's fun, it's easy, and it's cool. And you certainly won't whine as much as LABF about it, either...

"And I'll even give you my own Fox News-approved interpretation of the results!"

[W*GS]

"And I'll even give you my own Fox News-approved interpretation of the results!"

You're the only one who's bitched about their placement on the compass. Why is that?

Because you don't want to revealed to be as far-left as we all know you are?

Because you can't use "liberal" as a euphemism for your socialist beliefs?

Anyone who thinks the scales on the compass can't accommodate Bush, yet captures Stalin and Hitler, lacks any degree of credibility.

You're just whining, ya big baby.

[24champ]

Where does Hugo Chavez land on the chart Wigs? I am curious to see if Chavez is where LABF is.

[W*GS]

Where does Hugo Chavez land on the chart Wigs? I am curious to see if Chavez is where LABF is.

Since LABF is his #1 Fan here on the OM, perhaps LABF can do us all a favor and take the survey for Hugo.

[W*GS]

Just guessing for ol' Hugo got me a -9.12 on the left/right scale, and a 5.90 on the libertarian/authoritarian scale. Sounds about right.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

W*GS' interpretation of Chavez' test results?

"An uppity little brown man who thinks he has the right to control Bush's oil."

[W*GS]

Do your own take on Chavez, then, LABF.

Unfortunately for you, God doesn't show up on the scale.

And you're still a big crybaby whiner.

[W*GS]

Oh, and it's not a test, it's a set of prepositions. It's not pass/fail, even if you really really really whine about your score.

LABF, why are you so upset about the compass? Explain.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

I challenge W*GS' interpretation of the results and he accuses me of "whining."

Bill O'Liely would be proud.

[W*GS]

What "interpretation"? Explain.

You're the one waaaay out there at -8.62 on the left/right scale - quite comfortably close to the 2004 Socialist Party candidate, I might add.

There's no fudging involved - unless you're trying to claim you weren't being honest or someone else did the survey and reported their numbers as your own.

[baja]

What "interpretation"? Explain.

You're the one waaaay out there at -8.62 on the left/right scale - quite comfortably close to the 2004 Socialist Party candidate, I might add.

There's no fudging involved - unless you're trying to claim you weren't being honest or someone else did the survey and reported their numbers as your own.

How old are you anyway?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What "interpretation"? Explain.

Your tacit assumption that a sample of about a dozen people on a football forum is representative of the general American population, for starters.

I also pointed out that the majority of people on this forum who took the survey placed in the lower left-hand quadrant (even some people who identify themselves as conservatives or republicans) and to the left of almost all of the Democratic presidential candidates. Therefore, if, as the graph suggests, politicians like Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are actually conservatives and authoritarians masquerading as liberals, then those people whose answers placed them to the left of these same candidates aren't the left-wing extremists you claim them to be.

[W*GS]

Your tacit assumption that a sample of about a dozen people on a football forum is representative of the general American population, for starters.

The number of people from the OM is actually 32, and I made no assumption that they were representative of the American (or world, for that matter) population at all. That figures such as Gandhi, the Dalai Lama, Stalin and Hitler can be placed on the chart show that it's an absolute measure, not biased on any particular way.

I also pointed out that the majority of people on this forum who took the survey placed in the lower left-hand quadrant (even some people who identify themselves as conservatives or republicans) and to the left of almost all of the Democratic presidential candidates.

That's not surprising, considering the number of lefties here. Also note that the majority of people here were considerably more libertarian as well - which is also unsurprising. The OM is WRP forum is atypical.

Therefore, if, as the graph suggests, politicians like Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Edwards are actually conservatives and authoritarians masquerading as liberals, then those people whose answers placed them to the left of these same candidates aren't the left-wing extremists you claim them to be.

Why would you expect Democrats to be on the left side of the chart? There aren't many genuine left-wingers in the US compared to (say) Europe; even your beloved Bill Clinton wouldn't be close to you.

That the Socialist Party candidate from 2004 has a place on the compass says it isn't biased toward the right; and despite your insistence to the contrary, your -8.62 left/right score puts you pretty far to the left. Even if there's a huge groundswell of left-wing dogma in the American populace (as you laughingly attempted to claim with that article from that "progressive" website), that still doesn't mean you aren't far to the left.

The scales are absolute, not relative. Being one of many leftists doesn't mean you're not a leftist.

[W*GS]

Bump.

C'mon, folks (Florida Bronco, mhgaffney, Cito Pelon) if you haven't taken the survey at

http://www.politicalcompass.org

Take it, report your results here, and I'll plop you onto the OM chart. It's fun, it's easy, and it's cool. And you certainly won't whine as much as LABF about it, either...

[BroncoInferno]

http:http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=0.12&soc=-6.56

[sisterhellfyre]

[QUOTE=W*GS;1813465]Strongly libertarian, of course:

Economic Left/Right: 4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74

Interesting, W*GS. You and I are not far apart on the Libertarian/social issues, but widely separated on economics. My scores were -2.75 on the economic scale, for slightly left of center, and -5.90 on social issues.

Regards,
m.

[W*GS]

Latest, and last, one, unless several more people provide results.

[W*GS]

With area labels... Just fer fun. Folks, if you're not on it, you're not in it...

[baja]

Damn I don't have a political label.

[cutthemdown]

Damn I don't have a political label.

Yes you do. DUMBASS!!!

[Dead Head]

Latest, and last, one, unless several more people provide results.

So no matter what, we'll be voting in a republican. LMAO

[Bronco Bob]

With area labels... Just fer fun. Folks, if you're not on it, you're not in it...

I would make the Liberals oval slightly more round to include Clav and Sister.
They aren't that far off from the rest of us and you have a large part of the
oval on the bottom left that doesn't include anybody.