2008 Team Salary Caps - The Latest

[55CrushEm]

So you want to know how active your team will be with a good free-agency market coming up in three months? Here's a chart of how much cap space each team was due to have next spring as of Saturday, along with how many players each team has under contract:


Team Signed Players 2008 cap room
1. Tennessee 39 $40.85 million
2. San Diego 44 $33.03 million
3. Jacksonville 43 $32.69 million
4. Buffalo 49 $32.05 million
5. New Orleans 39 $31.69 million
6. Cincinnati 48 $31.45 million
7. San Francisco 48 $30.91 million
8. Cleveland 42 $30.31 million
9. Arizona 34 $30.27 million
10.N.Y. Jets 45 $27.72 million
11.Oakland 40 $25.98 million
12.Tampa Bay 48 $25.90 million
13.Miami 48 $25.56 million
14.N.Y. Giants 49 $24.47 million
15.Detroit 42 $23.50 million
16.Houston 43 $22.91 million
17.Dallas 40 $20.61 million
18.Kansas City 44 $20.27 million
19.Chicago 52 $19.80 million
20.Pittsburgh 43 $18.61 million
21.Green Bay 48 $18.37 million
22.Philadelphia 49 $17.17 million
23.Denver 49 $16.77 million
24.Minnesota 49 $14.88 million
25.New England 41 $10.93 million
26.St. Louis 45 $9.61 million
27.Seattle 44 $9.55 million
28.Indianapolis 48 $8.49 million
29.Carolina 35 $6.05 million
30.Atlanta 52 $5.79 million*
31.Baltimore 42 $5.00 million
32.Washington 45 -$20.72 million

* Not including unspecified potential rebate from contested return of Michael Vick's pro-rated signing bonus.

While we are $16.77M under....we already have 49 players under contract. Yes, Tennessee is at the top....but they need the extra space, as they have 10 fewer players (39) under contract......for example.

And, yes, the Skins are $20 million OVER......mwahahahaha..

[Jens1893]

Carolina looks in deep trouble

[CHANGSTER]

Here hoping the team uses this off season for extensions. Maybe just one big free agent this time around, DT LB or OT preferably.

[Atwater His Ass]

lolRedskins.

[missingnumber7]

What happens to teh Skins with Taylors contract?

[Beantown Bronco]

What happens to teh Skins with Taylors contract?

Should be treated the same way Darrent was this year.....though I don't know what his cap hit was.

[goldengopher1976]

Buffalo is in prime position to upgrade a team that is already competitive. I have a lot of respect for the production that Levy and the coaching staff are getting out of that team.

[400HZ]

Washington is seeing the effects of constant salary restructuring. It really does bite you in the ass eventually.

[bpc]

They are going to have to eat it. NFL didn't give us a break with DWill's contract, Washington won't either.

As for Carolina... we need to swoop in and sign Jordan Gross. Hopefully we can add Corey Williams from Green Bay as well but they have some money to play with.

It will be interesting to see what New England and Baltimore do this offseason especially since New England will be trying to resign Tedy Bruschi, Randy Moss and the #2 or 3 overall selection. Almost makes you think that they might have to trade their first overall selection.

Look for McNair and Pryce to be hitting the unemployment line this offseason along with Terrell Suggs. Scary thought for the Ravens!

[Requiem]

We're in a great situation, give how many dudes we have under contract. We'll easily be playing with 20 million or so when crunch times comes. Yeah!

[Man-Goblin]

You gotta figure a renegotiation is coming for Lepsis, Walker and Henry. I'm unsure if Nalen has any years left on his deal, but he and Lynch may be gone as well. Plus, isn't it about time to extend Bailey? That could mean some savings, too.

[Xenos]

So you want to know how active your team will be with a good free-agency market coming up in three months? Here's a chart of how much cap space each team was due to have next spring as of Saturday, along with how many players each team has under contract:


Team Signed Players 2008 cap room
1. Tennessee 39 $40.85 million
2. San Diego 44 $33.03 million
3. Jacksonville 43 $32.69 million
4. Buffalo 49 $32.05 million
5. New Orleans 39 $31.69 million
6. Cincinnati 48 $31.45 million
7. San Francisco 48 $30.91 million
8. Cleveland 42 $30.31 million
9. Arizona 34 $30.27 million
10.N.Y. Jets 45 $27.72 million
11.Oakland 40 $25.98 million
12.Tampa Bay 48 $25.90 million
13.Miami 48 $25.56 million
14.N.Y. Giants 49 $24.47 million
15.Detroit 42 $23.50 million
16.Houston 43 $22.91 million
17.Dallas 40 $20.61 million
18.Kansas City 44 $20.27 million
19.Chicago 52 $19.80 million
20.Pittsburgh 43 $18.61 million
21.Green Bay 48 $18.37 million
22.Philadelphia 49 $17.17 million
23.Denver 49 $16.77 million
24.Minnesota 49 $14.88 million
25.New England 41 $10.93 million
26.St. Louis 45 $9.61 million
27.Seattle 44 $9.55 million
28.Indianapolis 48 $8.49 million
29.Carolina 35 $6.05 million
30.Atlanta 52 $5.79 million*
31.Baltimore 42 $5.00 million
32.Washington 45 -$20.72 million

* Not including unspecified potential rebate from contested return of Michael Vick's pro-rated signing bonus.

While we are $16.77M under....we already have 49 players under contract. Yes, Tennessee is at the top....but they need the extra space, as they have 10 fewer players (39) under contract......for example.

And, yes, the Skins are $20 million OVER......mwahahahaha..

I wish kmartin was still here to point out his wonderful logic regarding the SD salary cap situation.

But anyways, you guys have more than enough to resign Marshall, Scheffler, and Doom during the offseason if you wanted to. If I was GM, I would do that since you can probably get them for a cheaper price now and avoid that problem that SoCal posted a couple of weeks ago.

[Jason in LA]

With the teams who are way over the cap, I wonder how much of that money is going to have to go to resigning their own players. I don't think a team like the Chargers is going to be able to go out and sign a number of top free agents to go along with the talent they already have.

[Xenos]

With the teams who are way over the cap, I wonder how much of that money is going to have to go to resigning their own players. I don't think a team like the Chargers is going to be able to go out and sign a number of top free agents to go along with the talent they already have.

You're right, we're probably not going to purse top FA. And this is something that AJ Smith has made sure to do ever since the horrible 2003 debacle with Marcellus Wiley, Stephen Alexander, and David Boston.

The majority of our money will be spent on resigning our core guys like Igor, Merriman, Castillo, Cromarti, McNeill (that is if he stops being so damn inconsistent), etc. Maybe not all of them this year but hopefully at least 3 of our playmakers. I can also see us giving Gates a new extension since he played so well this year even though he still has three years left on his contract.

Everything else goes to the draft and emergency trades like the Chambers deal this year.

[55CrushEm]

Carolina looks in deep trouble

No kidding......only 35 under contract, and only $6 million to work with.....ouch.

[Jens1893]

It will be interesting to see what New England and Baltimore do this offseason especially since New England will be trying to resign Tedy Bruschi, Randy Moss and the #2 or 3 overall selection. Almost makes you think that they might have to trade their first overall selection.

Don´t forget Stallworth. He´s signed, but keeping him will be expensive

3/11/2007: Signed a six-year, $33.1 million contract. The deal included a $1 million signing bonus. 2007: $700,000 (+ $100,000 per-game roster bonuses + $300,000 workout bonus), 2008: $1 million (+ $6 million option bonus due 2/25 + $2 million roster bonus due 3/1 + $1.6 million playing-time roster bonus + $400,000 workout bonus), 2009: $1 million (+ $2 million option bonus + $400,000 workout bonus + $1.6 million playing-time roster bonus), 2010-2012: $4 million (+ $500,000 workout bonuses), 2013: Free Agent

[Xenos]

They are going to have to eat it. NFL didn't give us a break with DWill's contract, Washington won't either.

As for Carolina... we need to swoop in and sign Jordan Gross. Hopefully we can add Corey Williams from Green Bay as well but they have some money to play with.

It will be interesting to see what New England and Baltimore do this offseason especially since New England will be trying to resign Tedy Bruschi, Randy Moss and the #2 or 3 overall selection. Almost makes you think that they might have to trade their first overall selection.

Look for McNair and Pryce to be hitting the unemployment line this offseason along with Terrell Suggs. Scary thought for the Ravens!

Randy Moss is currently more important than Bruschi, so I think they will actually let him go or ask him to sign for a really small contract extension. And you're right, if they're as smart as they want everyone to think they are, they will trade out of the first overal selection. NE need youth at the linebacker position and a new corner after Samuel leaves.

[Houshyamama]

They are going to have to eat it. NFL didn't give us a break with DWill's contract, Washington won't either.

As for Carolina... we need to swoop in and sign Jordan Gross. Hopefully we can add Corey Williams from Green Bay as well but they have some money to play with.

It will be interesting to see what New England and Baltimore do this offseason especially since New England will be trying to resign Tedy Bruschi, Randy Moss and the #2 or 3 overall selection. Almost makes you think that they might have to trade their first overall selection.

Look for McNair and Pryce to be hitting the unemployment line this offseason along with Terrell Suggs. Scary thought for the Ravens!

I watched Suggs play at ASU, he was a f'n beast. I know he is kind of a DE/OLB hybrid, is there some way we could use him on the strong side? Is he fast enough? Could we use him at another position?

[TheDave]

SD is $33 million under... ugh

[~Crash~]

Here hoping the team uses this off season for extensions. Maybe just one big free agent this time around, DT LB or OT preferably.

two . A DT ??? and a OG I want Alan Faneca | #66 | G this guy would take Our running game into another level .:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

Then draft in a heavy loaded OT and LB'er Draft !!!!!!!!

[bpc]

You're right, we're probably not going to purse top FA. And this is something that AJ Smith has made sure to do ever since the horrible 2003 debacle with Marcellus Wiley, Stephen Alexander, and David Boston.

The majority of our money will be spent on resigning our core guys like Igor, Merriman, Castillo, Cromarti, McNeill (that is if he stops being so damn inconsistent), etc. Maybe not all of them this year but hopefully at least 3 of our playmakers. I can also see us giving Gates a new extension since he played so well this year even though he still has three years left on his contract.

Everything else goes to the draft and emergency trades like the Chambers deal this year.

Not many emergency trades that you'll make at the deadline that will actually impact your team. WR is one of the exceptions.

SD is in a interesting position. Yes, they have a lot of money to play with but LT getting older, a lot of their players' rookie contracts coming up and confidence in Rivers floundering within the team and amongst fans, it will be interesting if AJ can just stand pat. You also have to imagine that SD will be in the coaching market again in the offseason which means another coaching style, another system, and another learning curve... do they throw a huge deal out on the table to pair up Moss and LT? Something needs to be done to get Rivers over the hump or they are looking at having to go back into the market to get a vet or rookie QB. It will be interesting to watch SD's situation play out. AJ's butt is very much on the line.

[Elway777]

two . A DT ??? and a OG I want Alan Faneca | #66 | G this guy would take Our running game into another level .:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

Then draft in a heavy loaded OT and LB'er Draft !!!!!!!!Corry Williams and Alan Fanaca would be my top 2 choices. I also like Justin Smiley if Fanaca is too expensive and if Smiley is heathy.Get Linebackers in draft plus a offensive and defensive tackle/.I also think alot of Broncos will retire maybe Hamilton giving the Broncos more cap space.

[eddie mac]

So you want to know how active your team will be with a good free-agency market coming up in three months? Here's a chart of how much cap space each team was due to have next spring as of Saturday, along with how many players each team has under contract:


Team Signed Players 2008 cap room
1. Tennessee 39 $40.85 million
2. San Diego 44 $33.03 million
3. Jacksonville 43 $32.69 million
4. Buffalo 49 $32.05 million
5. New Orleans 39 $31.69 million
6. Cincinnati 48 $31.45 million
7. San Francisco 48 $30.91 million
8. Cleveland 42 $30.31 million
9. Arizona 34 $30.27 million
10.N.Y. Jets 45 $27.72 million
11.Oakland 40 $25.98 million
12.Tampa Bay 48 $25.90 million
13.Miami 48 $25.56 million
14.N.Y. Giants 49 $24.47 million
15.Detroit 42 $23.50 million
16.Houston 43 $22.91 million
17.Dallas 40 $20.61 million
18.Kansas City 44 $20.27 million
19.Chicago 52 $19.80 million
20.Pittsburgh 43 $18.61 million
21.Green Bay 48 $18.37 million
22.Philadelphia 49 $17.17 million
23.Denver 49 $16.77 million
24.Minnesota 49 $14.88 million
25.New England 41 $10.93 million
26.St. Louis 45 $9.61 million
27.Seattle 44 $9.55 million
28.Indianapolis 48 $8.49 million
29.Carolina 35 $6.05 million
30.Atlanta 52 $5.79 million*
31.Baltimore 42 $5.00 million
32.Washington 45 -$20.72 million

* Not including unspecified potential rebate from contested return of Michael Vick's pro-rated signing bonus.

While we are $16.77M under....we already have 49 players under contract. Yes, Tennessee is at the top....but they need the extra space, as they have 10 fewer players (39) under contract......for example.

And, yes, the Skins are $20 million OVER......mwahahahaha..

Have you a link for this info??? Want to know what cap figure they based this on. It should include Stokley as well cos we had 48 signed up until he got the extra 3 years.

[eddie mac]

You gotta figure a renegotiation is coming for Lepsis, Walker and Henry. I'm unsure if Nalen has any years left on his deal, but he and Lynch may be gone as well. Plus, isn't it about time to extend Bailey? That could mean some savings, too.

Unless the team is going to ask the likes of Henry or Walker to renegotiate their guaranteed bonuses then you can forget about both those contracts. The only one with any leeway is Lepsis and his $4.5m base salary.

[Jens1893]

Have you a link for this info??? Want to know what cap figure they based this on. It should include Stokley as well cos we had 48 signed up until he got the extra 3 years.

Peter King on CNNSI

He doesn´t go into much detail.

[cutthemdown]

SD is $33 million under... ugh

It won't matter because the owner love Smith's theory of not spending a lot of money on FA. The cap has gotten so high look for a lot of teams to not spend it all. SD may be one of those that leaves some on the books.

[Xenos]

Not many emergency trades that you'll make at the deadline that will actually impact your team. WR is one of the exceptions.

SD is in a interesting position. Yes, they have a lot of money to play with but LT getting older, a lot of their players' rookie contracts coming up and confidence in Rivers floundering within the team and amongst fans, it will be interesting if AJ can just stand pat. You also have to imagine that SD will be in the coaching market again in the offseason which means another coaching style, another system, and another learning curve... do they throw a huge deal out on the table to pair up Moss and LT? Something needs to be done to get Rivers over the hump or they are looking at having to go back into the market to get a vet or rookie QB. It will be interesting to watch SD's situation play out. AJ's butt is very much on the line.
We're not going to go for Moss. Like I said before, big FA are too risky and it hurts our chance of the resigning our young core talents. Which brings me to my second point.

The rookie contracts that are about to expire will be taken care of this offseason and every offseason in the future on with our huge salary cap. We are able to have a reasonable salary cap every year because we don't go after the big FA. So far this formula seems to be working and has kept us competitive since we have used this approach.

And the team hasn't given up on Rivers. He's inconsistent but a lot of the problem is also attributed to the regression of the oline, in particular our left tackle Marcus McNeill. It won't matter if we have Randy Moss in there if Rivers doesn't have the time to throw it to him. One of the reasons Brady is playing so well is because his oline is giving him at least 5 seconds to scan the field and throw it up for grabs. So when our oline plays better and more consistently, you'll see Rivers play better. That's one of the way he's going to get over the hump. The other way is his continuing playing time with Chambers who is becoming more of a factor as the season winds down. Not having a reliable receiver like Eric Parker really hurt Rivers this year.

The final problems has more to do with him than anything in FA. For example, he has to become more slippery in the pocket so that even when there is pressure, he has to learn to sidestep it or step up to avoid the rush. The last problem is that he's still staring down his primary target too much. It's a consistency problem.

[Xenos]

It won't matter because the owner love Smith's theory of not spending a lot of money on FA. The cap has gotten so high look for a lot of teams to not spend it all. SD may be one of those that leaves some on the books.

It'll be the first time if that becomes true. We have always spent up to the very limit of the cap, even before AJ was the GM. I mean we had 25 million last year, and it's basically all gone now due to some of the recent extensions of core guys like Phillips, Lo Neal, Chambers, and Dielman. In 2006, we had close to 30 million, and that was all spent resigning guys like Hardwick, Cooper, and Jammer.

[55CrushEm]

Have you a link for this info??? Want to know what cap figure they based this on. It should include Stokley as well cos we had 48 signed up until he got the extra 3 years.

Yep....Jens1893 was right....on SI.com....and no detail behind the numbers, unfortunately.....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/12/09/week14/4.html

[eddie mac]

Those figures must be based on an estimate of around $115m as this year's cap was $109m. Before Stokley's signing I estimated we had about $97m-$98m already allocated for next year.

Stokley's base numbers for new deal

2008 830000.00
2009 1470000.00
2010 1400000.00

[boltaneer]

We're not going to go for Moss. Like I said before, big FA are too risky and it hurts our chance of the resigning our young core talents. Which brings me to my second point.

The rookie contracts that are about to expire will be taken care of this offseason and every offseason in the future on with our huge salary cap. We are able to have a reasonable salary cap every year because we don't go after the big FA. So far this formula seems to be working and has kept us competitive since we have used this approach.

And the team hasn't given up on Rivers. He's inconsistent but a lot of the problem is also attributed to the regression of the oline, in particular our left tackle Marcus McNeill. It won't matter if we have Randy Moss in there if Rivers doesn't have the time to throw it to him. One of the reasons Brady is playing so well is because his oline is giving him at least 5 seconds to scan the field and throw it up for grabs. So when our oline plays better and more consistently, you'll see Rivers play better. That's one of the way he's going to get over the hump. The other way is his continuing playing time with Chambers who is becoming more of a factor as the season winds down. Not having a reliable receiver like Eric Parker really hurt Rivers this year.

Couldn't have said it better.

And AJ Smith's job on the line? It might be wishful thinking around here but despite all the heat on Norv this season, AJ is safe.

[Xenos]

Couldn't have said it better.

And AJ Smith's job on the line? It might be wishful thinking around here but despite all the heat on Norv this season, AJ is safe.
Actually looking over those numbers again, I don't think they are right because these are the numbers before the Chambers trade. I don't know how much Chambers deal affect us, but the cap should be lower.

[bpc]

We're not going to go for Moss. Like I said before, big FA are too risky and it hurts our chance of the resigning our young core talents. Which brings me to my second point.

The rookie contracts that are about to expire will be taken care of this offseason and every offseason in the future on with our huge salary cap. We are able to have a reasonable salary cap every year because we don't go after the big FA. So far this formula seems to be working and has kept us competitive since we have used this approach.

And the team hasn't given up on Rivers. He's inconsistent but a lot of the problem is also attributed to the regression of the oline, in particular our left tackle Marcus McNeill. It won't matter if we have Randy Moss in there if Rivers doesn't have the time to throw it to him. One of the reasons Brady is playing so well is because his oline is giving him at least 5 seconds to scan the field and throw it up for grabs. So when our oline plays better and more consistently, you'll see Rivers play better. That's one of the way he's going to get over the hump. The other way is his continuing playing time with Chambers who is becoming more of a factor as the season winds down. Not having a reliable receiver like Eric Parker really hurt Rivers this year.

The final problems has more to do with him than anything in FA. For example, he has to become more slippery in the pocket so that even when there is pressure, he has to learn to sidestep it or step up to avoid the rush. The last problem is that he's still staring down his primary target too much. It's a consistency problem.

You don't think there is going to be a sense of desperation here? AJ Smith is quoted in an ESPN article telling LT "i will not waste your career"... LT is in his 8th year? And he's never had a serious injury? I think there is some sort of deadline burning AJ's ass to make sure he can be good on that promise. He wacked Marty Schottenheimer which set SD back, a year, or two, or three depending on who you ask. I think he's going to have to reach his hand in the cookie jar to make good on what he is saying.

Yes, McNeil has regressed but so has Rivers. Protection needs to be in place but Philip has missed wide open receivers all year with is average awkward deliver. LT is so upset with him or his personality that he got up and walked away from him when Rivers sat next to him on the bench. Yet you don't think there is a problem going on beneath the scenes?

You still didn't acknowledge that SD is probably looking for a coach in the offseason as well. Care to estimate how much that will help or hurt the chargers in the long run?

With the talent SD has, they should be dominating and winning this division by a mile but they aren't and that window... is getting smaller... and smaller... and smaller. It will all coincide with how much more LT has to give on the field.

[boltaneer]

You still didn't acknowledge that SD is probably looking for a coach in the offseason as well. Care to estimate how much that will help or hurt the chargers in the long run?

It was recently stated that Norv will return next year (unfortunately).

[Xenos]

You don't think there is going to be a sense of desperation here? AJ Smith is quoted in an ESPN article telling LT "i will not waste your career"... LT is in his 8th year? And he's never had a serious injury? I think there is some sort of deadline burning AJ's ass to make sure he can be good on that promise. He wacked Marty Schottenheimer which set SD back, a year, or two, or three depending on who you ask. I think he's going to have to reach his hand in the cookie jar to make good on what he is saying.

Yes, McNeil has regressed but so has Rivers. Protection needs to be in place but Philip has missed wide open receivers all year with is average awkward deliver. LT is so upset with him or his personality that he got up and walked away from him when Rivers sat next to him on the bench. Yet you don't think there is a problem going on beneath the scenes?

You still didn't acknowledge that SD is probably looking for a coach in the offseason as well. Care to estimate how much that will help or hurt the chargers in the long run?

With the talent SD has, they should be dominating and winning this division by a mile but they aren't and that window... is getting smaller... and smaller... and smaller. It will all coincide with how much more LT has to give on the field.
Norv is going to be back next year, good or bad, so I didn't need to address that situation.

And Rivers isn't missing wide open receivers because of his awkward delivery. Most of his misses have been to pressure. The few cases where there were missed had to do with miscommunication as well as his own fault for locking onto his primary target.

I guess I didn't make a big deal out of the LT situation with Rivers because LT said it was nothing, and the guy is honest more often than not. Heck, he has become even more brutally honest andoutspoken more often than not. And if it was true that he was mad at Rivers, then maybe it's a good thing because Rivers played better after that moment. Besides, they both hugged and made up afterwards. I think most people are looking into it too much. There may have been tension on the field and in the heat of the moment, but it all disappears after a victory. Heck, the postgame conference was one of the few times I've seen him happy this year. The guy just wears his emotion on his sleeve.

As for the window comment, fortunately for us the window is still there and can continue to be because of AJ's philosophy of maintaing the core guys on our team. AJ doesn't have the luxury of panicking. If he did then he wouldn't be a very good GM.

Edit: I also like to address your comments about LT's age. We have a young line and depending on whether they do better or not, will really affect his longetivity in the league. It all starts up front in the end. If they play better like they have recently, then AJ can lock them all up and in doing so help pave the way for LT and his eventual replacement (whenever that may be).

[broncos-rock]

If you are one and done in the playoffs.......I think Norv gets the axe. Teams say all the time this coach wil back because they don't want a lame duck coach. I would be surprised if Norv and Herm werent fired this offseason.

[TheDave]

We're not going to go for Moss.

Might have something to do with that noodle arm qb you have... or maybe not ;D

[Paladin]

I would say that next year is the last year of the window being open as good as it has been for Sandy Eggo, if not quite a bit less. Other Division and Coference teams are getting well and will be pressing the sparkies heavily. Rivers will not get a lot better, I think because he has had his chance to be a leader this year, and he has blown it just like 'Roidboy. Next year, the injuries will start on some of those "stars", and the fan base will sort of fold up and drift away, and the talk about moving to LA will pick up again.

Fun times in Sparkyland are ahead, I think. And to not get past the first game in the playoffs is just too funny. Guess who the Sparkies would face in the payoffs this year with th ecurrent standings. Jags. And we know what the Jags do to little sparklers, don't we?

[Xenos]

It was recently stated that Norv will return next year (unfortunately).

It's better that he at least gets one more year. He's at least shown that he's gelling with the team more.

[Xenos]

I would say that next year is the last year of the window being open as good as it has been for Sandy Eggo, if not quite a bit less. Other Division and Coference teams are getting well and will be pressing the sparkies heavily. Rivers will not get a lot better, I think because he has had his chance to be a leader this year, and he has blown it just like 'Roidboy. Next year, the injuries will start on some of those "stars", and the fan base will sort of fold up and drift away, and the talk about moving to LA will pick up again.

Fun times in Sparkyland are ahead, I think. And to not get past the first game in the playoffs is just too funny. Guess who the Sparkies would face in the payoffs this year with th ecurrent standings. Jags. And we know what the Jags do to little sparklers, don't we?
They did very well at their home. We'll see how they do when we have Castillo and Jammer for our home game against them.

[boltaneer]

And the Broncos will continue to stink it up like they have this year. They'll still won't be able to stop the run, still continue to bring in bust free agents, continue to have poor drafts, continue to lose their dominant home field advantage...

See, it's easy to be a homer.

[400HZ]

Of all the problems that SD has had this year, beating Denver was definetely not one of them.

[bpc]

I'm not at a point to make predictions about the SD/Denver game. I will say this, our team is better than the one that played you earlier this year. We are missing our fair share of qualities but I just have to hope that the whooping that we put on KC this past weekend is a sign of things to come.

We've ditched the high priced Merc's that were on our roster (Rice, Adams) for youth, hopefully a bit more heart and a lot more concept defense.

All things considered, Denver has had a boatload of injuries. Most fans, like our season or not have seen a team that hasn't just mailed it in. Every time we want to count them out, they risen back up and fought hard.

SD on the other hand haven't had 1/4 of our injuries yet they are only two games ahead of us right now and we realistically have a chance to still steal this division with three games left.

Charger fans can beat their chest but this was another year that the stars aligned in terms of injuries and they found a way to screw it up again. Between coaches changes (I highly doubt that scrub Norv will be around another season after his team has limped to this point) and blatant underachieving, I think they have to shake some things up if they are serious about making a super bowl run.

Denver is in the rear-view mirror this season and with some improved health and added talent, should have a great chance to compete with the Chargers for titles in the future . KC found a way to beat them early in the year and Oakland is gaining ground quickly on all members of this division.

[400HZ]

I'm not at a point to make predictions about the SD/Denver game. I will say this, our team is better than the one that played you earlier this year. We are missing our fair share of qualities but I just have to hope that the whooping that we put on KC this past weekend is a sign of things to come.

We've ditched the high priced Merc's that were on our roster (Rice, Adams) for youth, hopefully a bit more heart and a lot more concept defense.

All things considered, Denver has had a boatload of injuries. Most fans, like our season or not have seen a team that hasn't just mailed it in. Every time we want to count them out, they risen back up and fought hard.

SD on the other hand haven't had 1/4 of our injuries yet they are only two games ahead of us right now and we realistically have a chance to still steal this division with three games left.

Charger fans can beat their chest but this was another year that the stars aligned in terms of injuries and they found a way to screw it up again. Between coaches changes (I highly doubt that scrub Norv will be around another season after his team has limped to this point) and blatant underachieving, I think they have to shake some things up if they are serious about making a super bowl run.

Denver is in the rear-view mirror this season and with some improved health and added talent, should have a great chance to compete with the Chargers for titles in the future . KC found a way to beat them early in the year and Oakland is gaining ground quickly on all members of this division.

I'm sure Denver has gotten better, but so has San Diego. The game yesterday was the type of game that we've been losing all year long. Teddy Cottrell finally got himself a copy of "Defense for Dummies" and we've made some personnel upgrades with Cromartie, Clary, and Weddle.

I know you guys had a lot of injuries, but who's fault is it that you came into the season with the oldest team in the league? We lost our leading WR from last year, our best DE, a probowl fullback, our all-pro NT had two knee surguries, and now have two potentially scary injuries with Merriman and Rivers. We've had our share.

I wouldn't put money on that 41-3 gap having closed enough to win in SD.

[Jens1893]

What you don´t understand is that this team is bipolar and inconsistent beyond belief. On their day, I think they can hang with everyone and maybe even beat them, however, this team is just as well capable of getting blown out against bad teams. This team has 2 faces.

[bpc]

I'm sure Denver has gotten better, but so has San Diego. The game yesterday was the type of game that we've been losing all year long. Teddy Cottrell finally got himself a copy of "Defense for Dummies" and we've made some personnel upgrades with Cromartie, Clary, and Weddle.

I know you guys had a lot of injuries, but who's fault is it that you came into the season with the oldest team in the league? We lost our leading WR from last year, our best DE, a probowl fullback, our all-pro NT had two knee surguries, and now have two potentially scary injuries with Merriman and Rivers. We've had our share.

I wouldn't put money on that 41-3 gap having closed enough to win in SD.

You guys are starting to have injuries only now... but not to your best player or players. LT's still healthy. Gates hasn't gone down. We'll see whats up with Merriman. We've had Cutler, Henry, Young, Hall, Walker, Stokely, Scheffler, Nalen, Hamilton, Lepsis, Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Champ Bailey, Hamza Abdullah, and John Lynch all out during some period of time this year. I don't need to mention that we had a potential pro bowler in Darrent Williams killed in the offseason last year along with Al Wilson, a 5 time pro bowler being lost for his career. 11 of those players mentioned are under 30 so it isn't so much about losing old players, we've just lost players, starters in general. For all of that, we are still only two games behind you and thats playing with glaring holes on our team based on lack of talent at certain positions.

San Diego may have the edge as they did earlier this year but Denver isn't that far off if they play to their gameplan. We also have 10 days to prepare for you guys. Like I said, i'm not going to say that we will beat you but it isn't out of the cards. I'm just hoping my boys come in and play down hill on your team.

We're still looking at missing certain players for this game like Walker which is a huge deal but I wouldn't put anything past this game. There is a very real chance that we could beat you in your house. We did it just two years ago.

[Xenos]

I'm not at a point to make predictions about the SD/Denver game. I will say this, our team is better than the one that played you earlier this year. We are missing our fair share of qualities but I just have to hope that the whooping that we put on KC this past weekend is a sign of things to come.

We've ditched the high priced Merc's that were on our roster (Rice, Adams) for youth, hopefully a bit more heart and a lot more concept defense.

All things considered, Denver has had a boatload of injuries. Most fans, like our season or not have seen a team that hasn't just mailed it in. Every time we want to count them out, they risen back up and fought hard.

SD on the other hand haven't had 1/4 of our injuries yet they are only two games ahead of us right now and we realistically have a chance to still steal this division with three games left.

Charger fans can beat their chest but this was another year that the stars aligned in terms of injuries and they found a way to screw it up again. Between coaches changes (I highly doubt that scrub Norv will be around another season after his team has limped to this point) and blatant underachieving, I think they have to shake some things up if they are serious about making a super bowl run.
Denver is in the rear-view mirror this season and with some improved health and added talent, should have a great chance to compete with the Chargers for titles in the future. KC found a way to beat them early in the year and Oakland is gaining ground quickly on all members of this division.
We screwed up earlier because of the coaching changes in the first place. Now that they finally seem to be gelling, I doubt that we will suddenly get rid of Turner, unless we don't make the playoffs altogether. He'll get another year otherwise.

And I don't doubt that fact that you will be competitive with us in the future. You guys have always been a competitive team. The only thing holding you back is some of the personnel decisions, especially with regards to FA.

[400HZ]

You guys are starting to have injuries only now... but not to your best player or players. LT's still healthy. Gates hasn't gone down. We'll see whats up with Merriman. We've had Cutler, Henry, Young, Hall, Walker, Stokely, Scheffler, Nalen, Hamilton, Lepsis, Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Champ Bailey, Hamza Abdullah, and John Lynch all out during some period of time this year. I don't need to mention that we had a potential pro bowler in Darrent Williams killed in the offseason last year along with Al Wilson, a 5 time pro bowler being lost for his career. 11 of those players mentioned are under 30 so it isn't so much about losing old players, we've just lost players, starters in general. For all of that, we are still only two games behind you and thats playing with glaring holes on our team based on lack of talent at certain positions.

San Diego may have the edge as they did earlier this year but Denver isn't that far off if they play to their gameplan. We also have 10 days to prepare for you guys. Like I said, i'm not going to say that we will beat you but it isn't out of the cards. I'm just hoping my boys come in and play down hill on your team.

We're still looking at missing certain players for this game like Walker which is a huge deal but I wouldn't put anything past this game. There is a very real chance that we could beat you in your house. We did it just two years ago.

As far as the injuries, you guys seem to lead the league every year. You tell me why. Apart from the obvious age issues, my own personal theory is that Denver isn't built to be a rough, physical team. You can't argue with the success that Shanahan's ZBS has had, but you are still putting relatively undersized linemen out there who are going to neccessarily get beat up more than bigger, more physical players will. Same on defense. Your starting DTs are LISTED at 294 and 315. I don't know what the exact league average is, but I'd be willing to bet that your starting DT duo is well below it. Let's break some of your injuries down:

Cutler - that sucks but he missed a game that you weren't going to win anyways
Henry - injury prone, not a big secret
Young - that sucks, but he only missed what, 2 games?
Hall - 3rd string
Walker - Shanahan rolled the dice bringing him in, and everyone knew that this was a possibility
Stokely - old, and hasn't missed significant time
Scheffler - that sucks
Nalen - old
Hamilton - also sucks, but he's another 30 something
Lepsis - old
Jarvis Moss - had injury prone written all over him, and was he even a starter?
Tim Crowder - how many games did he miss while he was slotted as a starter?
Champ Bailey - big blow for sure, but he only missed 3 games. Shanahan probably shouldn't have tried to match him up against a player he gives 50 pounds up to
Hamza Abdullah - I'm not sure how many games he missed, but did he miss any while slotted as a starter?
John Lynch - old

Part of a coaches job has to be preparation for likely injuries, and a lot of these were likely.

As for us not losing our best players - Eric Parker was our leading WR last year, Luis Castillo was a probowl alternate, Nick Hardwick was a probowler, Quentin Jammer was our best DB, Jamal Williams is an all-pro and the linchpin of our defense, and Matt Wilhelm is our defensive captain. We've gotten by easier than some teams, but don't act like there hasn't been any adversity with the injury situation because there has. We also had the 2nd youngest group of starters in the league going into the season, so we could rightfully expect fewer injuries. We're also not rolling out nearly the number of undersized guys as the Broncos.

I'm not expecting another 41-3 game against Denver, but I also think that the Chargers have a lot of favorable matchups against the Broncos. I'd say 32-17 or something. Denver has a knack for making Phillip Rivers look like he's playing Techmo Bowl.

[bpc]

As far as the injuries, you guys seem to lead the league every year. You tell me why. Apart from the obvious age issues, my own personal theory is that Denver isn't built to be a rough, physical team. You can't argue with the success that Shanahan's ZBS has had, but you are still putting relatively undersized linemen out there who are going to neccessarily get beat up more than bigger, more physical players will. Same on defense. Your starting DTs are LISTED at 294 and 315. I don't know what the exact league average is, but I'd be willing to bet that your starting DT duo is well below it. Let's break some of your injuries down:

Cutler - that sucks but he missed a game that you weren't going to win anyways
Henry - injury prone, not a big secret
Young - that sucks, but he only missed what, 2 games?
Hall - 3rd string
Walker - Shanahan rolled the dice bringing him in, and everyone knew that this was a possibility
Stokely - old, and hasn't missed significant time
Scheffler - that sucks
Nalen - old
Hamilton - also sucks, but he's another 30 something
Lepsis - old
Jarvis Moss - had injury prone written all over him, and was he even a starter?
Tim Crowder - how many games did he miss while he was slotted as a starter?
Champ Bailey - big blow for sure, but he only missed 3 games. Shanahan probably shouldn't have tried to match him up against a player he gives 50 pounds up to
Hamza Abdullah - I'm not sure how many games he missed, but did he miss any while slotted as a starter?
John Lynch - old

Part of a coaches job has to be preparation for likely injuries, and a lot of these were likely.

As for us not losing our best players - Eric Parker was our leading WR last year, Luis Castillo was a probowl alternate, Nick Hardwick was a probowler, Quentin Jammer was our best DB, Jamal Williams is an all-pro and the linchpin of our defense, and Matt Wilhelm is our defensive captain. We've gotten by easier than some teams, but don't act like there hasn't been any adversity with the injury situation because there has. We also had the 2nd youngest group of starters in the league going into the season, so we could rightfully expect fewer injuries. We're also not rolling out nearly the number of undersized guys as the Broncos.

I'm not expecting another 41-3 game against Denver, but I also think that the Chargers have a lot of favorable matchups against the Broncos. I'd say 32-17 or something. Denver has a knack for making Phillip Rivers look like he's playing Techmo Bowl.

Great retort. "old, wasn't very good, you lost him but you weren't going to win that game anyway." Give me a break. I won't call it the system because once upon a time, we were the ones that got the breaks with being healthy. Our two super bowls were relatively healthy runs. It helped us win those championships.

You guys have gotten the breaks each of the past four years and you've pissed away your chances the previous three seasons. You've got a few division championships, no playoff wins and 0 super bowls.

I love to think of how funny it is, Charger fans talking crap like they've been on top of the world for the last decade. Enjoy your time now... like I said before, i can't say that we'll beat you on Christmas Eve, but that gap in talent between us is weakening. You guys don't have the benefit of drafting 1st overall anymore, trading back, picking up 3 or 4 more draft picks and loading up your roster. Anybody with half a brain can be successful doing that. You guys have exploited it to the position you are at now. Good job. Now you guys are the ones sitting at the head of the table, you are the targets. You have everything set up in league to bring you back down to the pack. People are going to come after your organization for free agents and you aren't going to have automatic selections like Merriman and LT among others in the draft. Good luck with that, Denver has been that way for the majority of the last 30 years.

We won't always have injuries like we have right now. You won't always be taking advantage of a depleted team, one, two or three men down.

I can't wait for that time and when that happens you guys will resume your role behind us in the division.

[DivineLegion]

Randy Moss is currently more important than Bruschi, so I think they will actually let him go or ask him to sign for a really small contract extension. And you're right, if they're as smart as they want everyone to think they are, they will trade out of the first overal selection. NE need youth at the linebacker position and a new corner after Samuel leaves.

Dont forget they tagged Asante Samuel and Pools contract is up...thats both of thier Corners plus Rodney Harrison will probably retire after this season...thats thier whole secondary :thumbs:

edit: I think Saumels contract is voided if they win 12 games acctualy...its something like that

[Xenos]

Great retort. "old, wasn't very good, you lost him but you weren't going to win that game anyway." Give me a break. I won't call it the system because once upon a time, we were the ones that got the breaks with being healthy. Our two super bowls were relatively healthy runs. It helped us win those championships.

You guys have gotten the breaks each of the past four years and you've pissed away your chances the previous three seasons. You've got a few division championships, no playoff wins and 0 super bowls.

I love to think of how funny it is, Charger fans talking crap like they've been on top of the world for the last decade. Enjoy your time now... like I said before, i can't say that we'll beat you on Christmas Eve, but that gap in talent between us is weakening. You guys don't have the benefit of drafting 1st overall anymore, trading back, picking up 3 or 4 more draft picks and loading up your roster. Anybody with half a brain can be successful doing that. You guys have exploited it to the position you are at now. Good job. Now you guys are the ones sitting at the head of the table, you are the targets. You have everything set up in league to bring you back down to the pack. People are going to come after your organization for free agents and you aren't going to have automatic selections like Merriman and LT among others in the draft. Good luck with that, Denver has been that way for the majority of the last 30 years.
We won't always have injuries like we have right now. You won't always be taking advantage of a depleted team, one, two or three men down.

I can't wait for that time and when that happens you guys will resume your role behind us in the division.
I won't deny that we have some core guys because of a high round pick, but don't act like that's not the only reason we have gotten a lot of talent. Many of our best players are guys in the later rounds or were UFA: Shaun Phillips, Antonio Gates, Louis Castillo, Michael Turner, Kris Dielman, Stephen Cooper, etc.

And if other teams want to get our FA, it's more than likely because we don't want them anymore ie. Donnie Edwards. We're able to keep most, if not all, of the guys we want because of AJ Smith's and Ed McQuire's ability to take advantage of the salary cap.

[ZONA]

Yeah - Moss is going to want to get paid. Time for Patsies to pony up to keep him and take a huge chunk of the FA money up. :wiggle:

[summerdenver]

Travell wharton, Jorgan Gross and Peppers are due for extension this year and Carolina will not be able to keep all three. I believe they will try to keep wharton and peppers - I hope we go after Gross. If Lepsis comes back healthy next year, with Gross at RT, our offense would be scary.

[Casper Bronco]

Is this a Broncos or a Chuggers message board?

[SleepingTiger]

As far as the injuries, you guys seem to lead the league every year. You tell me why. Apart from the obvious age issues, my own personal theory is that Denver isn't built to be a rough, physical team. You can't argue with the success that Shanahan's ZBS has had, but you are still putting relatively undersized linemen out there who are going to neccessarily get beat up more than bigger, more physical players will. Same on defense. Your starting DTs are LISTED at 294 and 315. I don't know what the exact league average is, but I'd be willing to bet that your starting DT duo is well below it. Let's break some of your injuries down:

Cutler - that sucks but he missed a game that you weren't going to win anyways
Henry - injury prone, not a big secret
Young - that sucks, but he only missed what, 2 games?
Hall - 3rd string
Walker - Shanahan rolled the dice bringing him in, and everyone knew that this was a possibility
Stokely - old, and hasn't missed significant time
Scheffler - that sucks
Nalen - old
Hamilton - also sucks, but he's another 30 something
Lepsis - old
Jarvis Moss - had injury prone written all over him, and was he even a starter?
Tim Crowder - how many games did he miss while he was slotted as a starter?
Champ Bailey - big blow for sure, but he only missed 3 games. Shanahan probably shouldn't have tried to match him up against a player he gives 50 pounds up to
Hamza Abdullah - I'm not sure how many games he missed, but did he miss any while slotted as a starter?
John Lynch - old

Part of a coaches job has to be preparation for likely injuries, and a lot of these were likely.

As for us not losing our best players - Eric Parker was our leading WR last year, Luis Castillo was a probowl alternate, Nick Hardwick was a probowler, Quentin Jammer was our best DB, Jamal Williams is an all-pro and the linchpin of our defense, and Matt Wilhelm is our defensive captain. We've gotten by easier than some teams, but don't act like there hasn't been any adversity with the injury situation because there has. We also had the 2nd youngest group of starters in the league going into the season, so we could rightfully expect fewer injuries. We're also not rolling out nearly the number of undersized guys as the Broncos.

I'm not expecting another 41-3 game against Denver, but I also think that the Chargers have a lot of favorable matchups against the Broncos. I'd say 32-17 or something. Denver has a knack for making Phillip Rivers look like he's playing Techmo Bowl.

How can you possibly blame a concussion on age? Hamilton was our second best lineman behind Nalen (which is also out for the season). As a matter a fact, none of these injuries are age related.

Here are a few more injuries, Ekuban. He was our best lineman comming out of camp I think. Nate Jackson is also out for the year. Rod freaking Smith is also out for the rest of the year. Say he is old, but he is still a gamer.

With all these injuries, we still are right behind you. We shouldn't of lost to Greenbay or Chicago and you should of lost to Tennessee. I know, this game is not based on should of or could of, but we aren't that far behind you.

I expect a far more competitive game in 2 weeks.

[400HZ]

How can you possibly blame a concussion on age? Hamilton was our second best lineman behind Nalen (which is also out for the season). As a matter a fact, none of these injuries are age related.

Here are a few more injuries, Ekuban. He was our best lineman comming out of camp I think. Nate Jackson is also out for the year. Rod freaking Smith is also out for the rest of the year. Say he is old, but he is still a gamer.

With all these injuries, we still are right behind you. We shouldn't of lost to Greenbay or Chicago and you should of lost to Tennessee. I know, this game is not based on should of or could of, but we aren't that far behind you.

I expect a far more competitive game in 2 weeks.

Compelling argument.

[richpjr]

I know, this game is not based on should of or could of, but we aren't that far behind you.


The Broncos have also gotten their share of "lucky" wins too - they are 3 fgs away from being 3-10 right now. It works both ways.

[SleepingTiger]

The Broncos have also gotten their share of "lucky" wins too - they are 3 fgs away from being 3-10 right now. It works both ways.

Ok, kicking a field goal to win the game is not lucky. Our offense actually has to drive down the field to get into field goal range to kick it. Elam is one of the greatest kickers of all time, so no luck here. Sebass missing that kick is not unusual, he misses kicks all the time. He is mr. inconsistent himself. He made the first one, but then missed the second. Need i say more??

Now, your opponent missing chip shots and your win by a point or two, now that is "lucky". The worst QB in the NFL misses his target, but was "lucky" enough that the misthrow was actually a perfect throw to beat the best DB for a game tying TD. Now sir, that is freaking lucky.

[boltaneer]

All teams need luck from time to time. Even the juggernaut New England Patriots. :)

[SleepingTiger]

All teams need luck from time to time. Even the juggernaut New England Patriots. :)

true, and I wish lady luck would be on our side for once. From all the injuries from trainning camp till today, bull**** losses like chicago and green bay. of all the losses, that one to chicago still pisses me off.

but i can say this, we don't need any luck to beat you guys in 2 weeks.

[400HZ]

but i can say this, we don't need any luck to beat you guys in 2 weeks.

No luck, just a miracle. :sunshine:

[SleepingTiger]

No luck, just a miracle. :sunshine:

a miracle is the chargers making it past the first round in the playoffs.

broncos don't need luck to beat the chargers, we just don't need to be unlucky!

[400HZ]

a miracle is the chargers making it past the first round in the playoffs.

broncos don't need luck to beat the chargers, we just don't need to be unlucky!

Ya, Denver was super-unlucky last game.

[SleepingTiger]

Ya, Denver was super-unlucky last game.

yeah, and the chargers made to the afc championship game last year.

[cutthemdown]

The Chargers have been better then the Broncos last few years there is no denying it. I think talent wise they will still have an advantage next yr as well. I do think Broncos are closing the gap though mainly because I think Cutler is progressing and eventually is going to pass rivers in terms of qb skills.

The thing Charger fans should worry about is the fact they are missing there window. They could pull upsets in the playoffs this year and win it all but it doesn't look good for that IMO. They may look back at these years when LT was in his prime and feel like they really blew it. Best RB NFL had seen in years and Chargers couldn't win it with him. It's almost like a Barry Sanders thing if it keeps up.

The other thing is that I'm not impressed at all with Rivers progression. He looks worst then last yr in my opinion.

[Dedhed]

The Chargers are the saddest team in the league. 5 losses already with 14-15 win talent. 0 playoff wins in the last three years with the best roster in football. That is pitiful.

While the Chargers should be talking about Dynasty they're talking about how they're still just a little better than a Broncos team that, despite statements to the contrary, is rebuilding. Sad.

[cutthemdown]

The Chargers are the saddest team in the league. 5 losses already with 14-15 win talent. 0 playoff wins in the last three years with the best roster in football. That is pitiful.

While the Chargers should be talking about Dynasty they're talking about how they're still just a little better than a Broncos team that, despite statements to the contrary, is rebuilding. Sad.

and if they bring Norv Turner back next year they can look forward to an epic meltdown and mutiny before it ends. Hell it may happen this year after they get rolled out of the playoffs by 30 points.