Dj update

[cmhargrove]

Just to let you know. Our defense may suck right now, but DJ is now tied for second in the league in tackles.

1. Patrick Willis - 128
2. DJ Williams and Demeco Ryans - tied at 109 each.

Just FYI. Team may suck right now, but DJ is holding his own. Not as much as we need, but statistically very sound.

Go ahead, rip it up...

[rmsanger]

Patrick Willis is the type of stud MLB that we need...

[That One Guy]

Anyone know the stats on how many plays are run against us, particularly running plays? A MLB is particularly key in making tackles on run plays and with our succeptability to the run, wouldn't it make sense that his numbers are inflated?

[That One Guy]

Patrick Willis is the type of stud MLB that we need...

He's had something like 33 tackles over the past two weeks, that's insanity. If he can keep that up, whoever it was clamoring to draft him should be hired to the Broncos draft team.

[TheDave]

He's had something like 33 tackles over the past two weeks, that's insanity. If he can keep that up, whoever it was clamoring to draft him should be hired to the Broncos draft team.

SLAP...

[CHANGSTER]

Imagine if we picked up Adalius Thomas instead of Henry and/or Graham. Wonder how many times that has been said.

[SoCalBronco]

Certain people won't want to hear this, but he had one of his best games of the season yesterday. I think he had 16 tackles, 13 solos and most importantly, 7 of which were for either no gain or for a loss, plus a fumble recovery.

[Bronx33]

After the slow start from DJ he clearly has improved at the new position transition, some folks on here didn't have much hope for the guy.

[enjolras]

I think DJ has made tremendous strides this year. He's definitely not the problem from what I can tell. If you look at the last few weeks, your seeing teams really attack the weakness of our LB corp (the outside). They're running right at Webster or Gold and just daring them to attempt to make a tackle. Of course, it doesn't usually come to that because both of them are completely fricking lost.... and aren't anywhere near enough to the play to even hope of making a tackle anyways.

[TheDave]

Certain people won't want to hear this, but he had one of his best games of the season yesterday. I think he had 16 tackles, 13 solos and most importantly, 7 of which were for either no gain or for a loss, plus a fumble recovery.

I agree that he has improved... Now if we could just get him to stop posing after the first 3 tackles of each game.

[broncogary]

Certain people won't want to hear this, but he had one of his best games of the season yesterday. I think he had 16 tackles, 13 solos and most importantly, 7 of which were for either no gain or for a loss, plus a fumble recovery.

Hey, we don't want DJ to do bad. We want the team to win, so it helps if he plays good.

We just don't like hearing how he would be so great if Gold didn't have pictures of the coaches with a goat.

[SoCalBronco]

Hey, we don't want DJ to do bad. We want the team to win, so it helps if he plays good.

We just don't like hearing how he would be so great if Gold didn't have pictures of the coaches with a goat.

The fact that Nate Jackson has been on this team for so long suggests that there are in fact pictures of coaches with goats. :)

[TheDave]

The fact that Nate Jackson has been on this team for so long suggests that there are in fact pictures of coaches with goats. :)


Probably just the ones past down from Travis McGriff...:rofl:

[That One Guy]

Certain people won't want to hear this, but he had one of his best games of the season yesterday. I think he had 16 tackles, 13 solos and most importantly, 7 of which were for either no gain or for a loss, plus a fumble recovery.

Wow, I only tracked the game through the chatroom and didn't notice he had that many. That's awesome. Now, does that constitute reason for him to stay at MLB or do they try and get a natural and let him put that experience to work back as WLB?

It's strange that things came together so well for him but the team as a whole fell off so bad, any revalations on what the difference was yesterday from weeks past?

[broncogary]

The fact that Nate Jackson has been on this team for so long suggests that there are in fact pictures of coaches with goats. :)

Shanny and the nanny! LOL

[bpc]

Just to let you know. Our defense may suck right now, but DJ is now tied for second in the league in tackles.

1. Patrick Willis - 128
2. DJ Williams and Demeco Ryans - tied at 109 each.

Just FYI. Team may suck right now, but DJ is holding his own. Not as much as we need, but statistically very sound.

Go ahead, rip it up...

DJ had 16 tackles last night.

Justin Fargas had 150 yds and a td on us. Wasn't he a backup at USC?

I think his stats are a little over-inflated, making tackles down the field and such however I don't believe he is the absolute reason our defense sucks. He's not really a leader but we can win with his ability on the field with the right mix of players around him.

I think we'll see him at Will next year.

[NFLBRONCO]

Certain people won't want to hear this, but he had one of his best games of the season yesterday. I think he had 16 tackles, 13 solos and most importantly, 7 of which were for either no gain or for a loss, plus a fumble recovery.

What pick was Willis taken?

[cutthemdown]

tackles is the most misleading stat in football. Crappy defenses rack up alot of tackles. Teams run more plays against them then good defenses. I sure haven't seen DJ make too many big plays. He needs to play weakside linebacker IMO.

[-Slap-]

Much is made about middle linebackers needing to play behind a strong defensive line to make them look good, but that's hardly the case in San Francisco. Patrick Willis doesn't exactly have Charles Haley, Michael Carter and Pierce Holt starting in front of him this year.

Bryant Young has moved to LDE and has put up another strong season. I believe Young is one of the most underrated players in NFL history and I think he probably deserves to go to the Hall of Fame as much as any active defensive linemen. That said, he turns 36 next month and he doesn't bring it every down the way he did as an All Pro defensive tackle. The nose tackle, Aubrayo Franklin and RDE, Marques Douglas are complete non-entities.

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[Garcia Bronco]

Big improvement for DJ over the season. We'll get there.

[-Slap-]

I think DJ is making progress, too. I hope the Broncos draft the best available linebacker and if that means keeping DJ inside, so be it.

[DBroncos4life]

Should have signed Julian Peterson

[sgbfan]

Instead of contributing the amount of tackles to his ability, lets contribute it to the amount of runs opponents have against us every game, not to mention the number of completions to RB's and TE's that he is supposed to cover. When the other team has 4 15 play scoring drives a game, how many opportunities are there for him. . .

I do think that he is holding his own, and have no problem with him keeping his position next year if thats what happens. He just needs to be playing next to 2 different players.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

He's dirt cheap for the next two seasons. With his continued improvement and another offseason/training camp under his belt, I'd say MLB is one of the positions we don't have to worry about. The OL, DL and OLBs should be the beginning, middle and end of the offseason focus.

[Kaylore]

Certain people won't want to hear this, but he had one of his best games of the season yesterday. I think he had 16 tackles, 13 solos and most importantly, 7 of which were for either no gain or for a loss, plus a fumble recovery.

He did some good stuff. He just needs to work on biting on play action. That's something he's always struggled with. Maybe he always will...

[Malcontent]

DIZON!!!!

or Laurinaitis will do.

[cmhargrove]

I think DJ is making progress, too. I hope the Broncos draft the best available linebacker and if that means keeping DJ inside, so be it.

Here, here!

I hope our draft board keeps looking at best player available this year instead of reaching. We need plenty of talent all around. I would sure like to get a mean mofo in the LB corps though. Someone who got fined for vicious hits. We just don't have anyone who gets fined anymore. No Romo, No Kennedy, even Lynch has been out of it.

[Atlas]

Just to let you know. Our defense may suck right now, but DJ is now tied for second in the league in tackles.

1. Patrick Willis - 128
2. DJ Williams and Demeco Ryans - tied at 109 each.

Just FYI. Team may suck right now, but DJ is holding his own. Not as much as we need, but statistically very sound.

Go ahead, rip it up...

Hopefully will draft a couple of big stud DTs next year and DJ won't have to make so many tackles. Denver needs a couple if big, fat, space eating monsters up there!!

[rugbythug]

Every one of Fargas's Big runs were off tackle to the outside. Gold is just eaten up when they run right at him.

[broncogary]

Every one of Fargas's Big runs were off tackle to the outside. Gold is just eaten up when they run right at him.

So the field is about 50 yards wide and you think the MLB is only responsible for about 5 yards of that?

[defenseman]

DIZON!!!!

or Laurinaitis will do.

Does he play the pass as well as he plays the run?......dman

*I recall a DIZON from while I was out in the islands just recently, same guy?

[KillerBronco#76]

[QUOTE=bpc;1805856]DJ had 16 tackles last night.

Justin Fargas had 150 yds and a td on us. Wasn't he a backup at USC?

QUOTE]

He started at USC back whith Carson Palmer. he was a senior when white and bush were freshman i think. First round pick wasn't he?

[BroncoMan4ever]

DJ is filling in decently for us at MLB but i want him back as WLB, Gold and Webster gone and get some fresh blood in in the MLB and SLB positions.

[Beantown Bronco]

For the "move DJ back to WLB" crowd, you better hope Bates is not around next year. Bates' system dictates that the WLB funnel all the action back to the MLB, so you could quickly say "bye bye" to these 16 tackle games.

Why do you think Zach Thomas has consistently been among the league leaders in tackles every year, while most can't even name the LBs on either side of him?

[That One Guy]

Apparently Fargas was a 3rd round pick.

[The MVPlaya]

Just to let you guys know, Patrick Willis is irrelevent in the passing game when the ball is in the air. That's the knock on him...he can't defend the pass.

I'm thinking about the upcoming draft and I'm wondering if Shanahan is going to draft a whole ****load of LB's...

[alkemical]

Well one thing with having a few more LB's - is LB's can do well on ST's.

[-Slap-]

Just to let you guys know, Patrick Willis is irrelevent in the passing game when the ball is in the air. That's the knock on him...he can't defend the pass.

That was the only criticism about him in college. Largely based on the fact that he was overscouted and people were trying to find something wrong with him. Did you know John Elway can't throw a touch pass?

Willis plays base and nickel for the 49ers. He's the only linebacker on the team who never comes off the field.

[The MVPlaya]

That was the only criticism about him in college. Largely based on the fact that he was overscouted and people were trying to find something wrong with him. Did you know John Elway can't throw a touch pass?

Willis plays base and nickel for the 49ers. He's the only linebacker on the team who never comes off the field.

The criticism in college is showing in the NFL too.

However, that being said...he is still one sick ass LB.

[-Slap-]

The criticism in college is showing in the NFL too.

However, that being said...he is still one sick ass LB.

Any statistical or anecdotal examples to offer?

[Smiling Assassin27]

what the hell good does it do if DJ is tackling them 8-12 yards downfield? those stats are a ruse.

oh, and Deej, enough with that stupid bee-bop pose that you do when you tackle someone. act like you belong there, fool.

[Inkana7]

what the hell good does it do if DJ is tackling them 8-12 yards downfield? those stats are a ruse.

oh, and Deej, enough with that stupid bee-bop pose that you do when you tackle someone. act like you belong there, fool.

Did you miss the part where he mentioned 7 tackles for no gain or loss? Oh, and a fumble recovery that allowed us to get within 4.

But none of that matters, or will ever change your mind. So nevermind.

Boo DJ!

[Cito Pelon]

Anyone know the stats on how many plays are run against us, particularly running plays? A MLB is particularly key in making tackles on run plays and with our succeptability to the run, wouldn't it make sense that his numbers are inflated?

Denver is 4th in the League in rushes against, so yeah, he certainly should be high on the lists. He's actually moved up in the last few weeks in solo tackles and that's what counts, so apparently he's getting better statistically, and seems to be getting better at filling gaps to my eye.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=0CCCEB8A2F53ED737D4ED40E9 A23DD2D?season=&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=RUSHING_ATTEMPTS&d-447263-n=1

[dsmoot]

Wow, I only tracked the game through the chatroom and didn't notice he had that many. That's awesome. Now, does that constitute reason for him to stay at MLB or do they try and get a natural and let him put that experience to work back as WLB?

It's strange that things came together so well for him but the team as a whole fell off so bad, any revalations on what the difference was yesterday from weeks past?

If we can get a superior MLB, then go for it. It would be an upgrade at both positions if he replaces Gold or Webster. What I would like to see is a FA and a draft pick move into the starting lineup with DJ.

[dsmoot]

DIZON!!!!

or Laurinaitis will do.

I really like the instincts, the motor and toughness Dizon plays with. I look at him physically and just don't think he can compete as a starter in the NFL. I would love to be wrong.

[ZONA]

The fact that Nate Jackson has been on this team for so long suggests that there are in fact pictures of coaches with goats. :)


:strong: Hilarious!

[maher_tyler]

Anyone know the stats on how many plays are run against us, particularly running plays? A MLB is particularly key in making tackles on run plays and with our succeptability to the run, wouldn't it make sense that his numbers are inflated?

No...the D line sucks ass and according to what i hear around here the DT's are suppose to take up O linemen and MLB makes the plays..so this makes him even better and also take into account that this is the first time hes ever played MLB in his career...pretty damn good if you ask me.

[Popps]

Just to let you know. Our defense may suck right now, but DJ is now tied for second in the league in tackles.

1. Patrick Willis - 128
2. DJ Williams and Demeco Ryans - tied at 109 each.

Just FYI. Team may suck right now, but DJ is holding his own. Not as much as we need, but statistically very sound.

Go ahead, rip it up...

He's a turd.


Actually, he's seemed somewhat less lost out there the past few games, but that's not saying much.

We just need a line. Williams is nowhere near good enough to play without a strong line. He's barely passable when we DO have a good push upfront.

[DB_champ24]

He's a turd.


Actually, he's seemed somewhat less lost out there the past few games, but that's not saying much.

We just need a line. Williams is nowhere near good enough to play without a strong line. He's barely passable when we DO have a good push upfront.

Huh? when we do get a good push he seems to get into the backfield

[Popps]

Huh? when we do get a good push he seems to get into the backfield

That's basically what I said. All LBs need the front four to do their jobs.

Williams is a guesser who can run fact and tackles pretty well. Why he's got a man-club around here is anyone's guess. He's just never been anything but average, and way below that this year.

[DB_champ24]

That's basically what I said. All LBs need the front four to do their jobs.

Williams is a guesser who can run fact and tackles pretty well. Why he's got a man-club around here is anyone's guess. He's just never been anything but average, and way below that this year.

What I got out of what u said is he hardly gets the job done when he does get a good push..but from what Ive seen when he does get the good push he does a good job.

[Florida_Bronco]

I really like the instincts, the motor and toughness Dizon plays with. I look at him physically and just don't think he can compete as a starter in the NFL. I would love to be wrong.

Kid looks more like a safety than a LB. I could see him having an Ian Gold type career.

[cmhargrove]

He's a turd.


Actually, he's seemed somewhat less lost out there the past few games, but that's not saying much.

We just need a line. Williams is nowhere near good enough to play without a strong line. He's barely passable when we DO have a good push upfront.

OK Popps, we have a turd at MLB who is second in tackles, point taken.

However, our turd has done better than guys we would love like Urlacher, and I would contest he at least has a superior D-line (we would sure love guys like Tommie Harris around here). So, at least state your case. Do we:

1. Wipe all the LB's and expect it will take another year to recover, or
2. Assume that our guys will look and perform much better with a revamped D-line (again). But at least we pick guys in their prime, rather than wash-ups.

What to do with the turd? Give it some more turds, or flush it?