Teammate Travis Henry will win the appeal of his one-year suspension. [Archive] - The Orange Mane

HEAV

12-03-2007, 09:00 PM

Broncos FB Cecil Sapp says he's heard that teammate Travis Henry will win the appeal of his one-year suspension.

Sapp didn't say where he got the info. The Ricky Mountain News reports the case could go either way, but it's accepted that the league's decision to prolong an announcement bodes well for Henry's chances of winning.
Source: Rocky Mountain News

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/03/henry-admits-he-wasnt-sharp/

go_broncos

12-03-2007, 09:01 PM

SoCalBronco

12-03-2007, 09:01 PM

Sigh...oh well...that's too bad.

Dagmar

12-03-2007, 09:10 PM

I will believe nothing till the NFL opens it's mouth.

eddie mac

12-03-2007, 09:13 PM

If he fought the NFL this hard to get the suspension nulified how hard would he have fought the Broncos to keep them bonuses.

Whatever way this falls it's still a disaster for the Broncos.

In a season where they're supposed to be remembering fallen team-mates we have been served up an non-stop menu of on the field bs and off-the-field stupidity and selfishness.

Some of our players need to take a good hard look at themselves and start earning positive headlines and then regaining our respect.

go_broncos

12-03-2007, 09:15 PM

This is a bad signing on part of broncos..

In addition to that, we paid big money to Graham.

In addition to that, Walker may not play in NFL..

24champ

12-03-2007, 09:17 PM

It will be announced tommorow that Henry won the case.

TheDave

12-03-2007, 09:19 PM

hmmmm.... I was looking forward to this nightmare ending.

So much for that.

Garcia Bronco

12-03-2007, 09:24 PM

eddie mac

12-03-2007, 09:29 PM

Inconsistency and fragility has been a major concern at RB this season. Have we actually gone a full game where our starting RB has played all 4 quarters without having to limp off the field with an injury???

Ray Finkle

12-03-2007, 09:48 PM

any chance Sapp was smoking pot when he spoke?

Lev Vyvanse

12-03-2007, 09:50 PM

If this is true then our man has been vindicated and some of you need to show him some respect for it. That doesn't mean that you agree with his life choices, but he didn't do anything wrong but have gotten injured. Not an exclusive club this season.

I don't. I feel dirty just having him on the team. Does bringing nine fatherless children into the world count as wrong?

Dagmar

12-03-2007, 09:51 PM

It will be announced tommorow that Henry won the case.

DO you have a source? Proof? Or just a hunch? Pretty sweeping statement.

400HZ

12-03-2007, 09:53 PM

Babys mamas across the nation will rejoice. :rofl:

Bronco_Beerslug

12-03-2007, 09:59 PM

It will be announced tommorow that Henry won the case.Says who, you?
Babys mamas across the nation will rejoice. :rofl:That would be the ONLY good thing about it. It would give 9 mothers more time to get to court and attach all his wages before he spends it all or gets kicked out of the league.

Billy Clyde Puckett

12-03-2007, 10:00 PM

Sapp was expressing his opinion - not stating a fact.

Broncoman13

12-03-2007, 10:00 PM

Damn...

There goes my Michael "the burner" Turner pipe dream!

TheDave

12-03-2007, 10:03 PM

Just as a side note.... I've had 2 different people say that they heard Adam Schefter on KOA saying that Henry's suspension is going to be announced today. FWIW...

24champ

12-03-2007, 10:05 PM

Says who, you?

Nope not me.

That One Guy

12-03-2007, 10:07 PM

I'm still hoping he gets suspended. Not for any moral purpose but because he's been a terrible investment and this would be an opportunity to back out of that deal without great loss. He was awesome the first few games of the season but when you invest that much money in someone like him, you're dedicating too many resources to have a quality backup while having to rely on said backup quite often. If you're gonna dump that much money, you've gotta be able to count on him.

That One Guy

12-03-2007, 10:08 PM

Just as a side note.... I've had 2 different people say that they heard Adam Schefter on KOA saying that Henry's suspension is going to be announced today. FWIW...

Today as in Monday, right? It's looking like it may not happen. I wonder why Schefter would've said Monday if the standard is for punishments to come down on Tuesday? I know they could've been waiting till after the game but no suspension that comes down is a suprise to the league yet they always wait until Tuesday to announce it, why did Schefter think this would be different?

TheDave

12-03-2007, 10:12 PM

Today as in Monday, right? It's looking like it may not happen. I wonder why Schefter would've said Monday if the standard is for punishments to come down on Tuesday? I know they could've been waiting till after the game but no suspension that comes down is a suprise to the league yet they always wait until Tuesday to announce it, why did Schefter think this would be different?

Like i said... This is from a couple of friends just repeating what they had heard. Schefter could of easily said Tuesday and they mis-heard... then again, he could of also used the word innocent and the mis-heard.

That One Guy

12-03-2007, 10:15 PM

Like i said... This is from a couple of friends just repeating what they had heard. Schefter could of easily said Tuesday and they mis-heard... then again, he could of also used the word innocent and the mis-heard.

Well there's been a lot of confusion around this since we've been expecting the announcement every day basically for the last week. If multiple people heard it then it would be strange that they both misheard but also strange that Schefter would've made up the Monday factor. I think we'll hear about it tomorrow and maybe then some answers can be had.

Dagmar

12-03-2007, 10:58 PM

Nope not me.

Who then? Why are you making blanket statements without backing them up? Jeez man, there is a whole thread on stuff like this.

DBroncos4life

12-03-2007, 11:31 PM

Other then the child thing there is nothing wrong with him. He's played hurt when he could have said I'm done for the year. None of or RBs have played well this year but we still continue to produce. If he plays the rest of the year he should still go for over 1000 yards as well. Its not his fault he hurt his PCL and 3 of our OLine guys are new. Most people will hate him because of the kid thing and I do as well but he is a good RB when healthy. I would rather us keep him and pay him to do what he does instead of drafting a guy or spending more money on another guy.

Garcia Bronco

12-03-2007, 11:40 PM

I don't. I feel dirty just having him on the team. Does bringing nine fatherless children into the world count as wrong?

they aren't fatherless

Los Broncos

12-03-2007, 11:54 PM

I really hope he wins this appeal.

I want to see more of the LT visor.

Lev Vyvanse

12-03-2007, 11:59 PM

they aren't fatherless

Really. Please explain.

Los Broncos

12-04-2007, 12:02 AM

they aren't fatherless

I find it tough for him to father all those children being so far apart and all.

Lev Vyvanse

12-04-2007, 12:06 AM

I find it tough for him to father all those children being so far apart and all.

Yea, I bet those kids fined it kind of tough too.

Wes Mantooth

12-04-2007, 12:25 AM

they aren't fatherless

Dadless.

lostknight

12-04-2007, 12:27 AM

It's easy to sit here and snipe at Mr. Henry, I know that I have done my fair share of that. If he beats the rap, he beats the rap. I think most fans are lashing out at the black eye this town and team have taken because of his lack of thought (and simple precautions).

I think that this is a seperate matter from his play. The team seems to loose momentum when he is in there. I am not sure why that is, maybe because we need more downhill speed then Mr. Henry has given us.

But that's not Henry's problem. It's Shanahans. And until he has another spectacular year, we won't be able to unload him for anything. So let's give it a year more and see what he can do, focus on drafting the lines, and then make bank in another Baily for Portis deal.

Hogan11

12-04-2007, 12:29 AM

I don't. I feel dirty just having him on the team. Does bringing nine fatherless children into the world count as wrong?

Not if you're pro-life.

Hogan11

12-04-2007, 12:35 AM

Still, I'd be very surprised if the NFL lost here...it's drug testing and they don't want a precedent set that allows for a loophole.

Lev Vyvanse

12-04-2007, 12:39 AM

wabbit

12-04-2007, 12:45 AM

Malcontent

12-04-2007, 12:52 AM

Kinda of non factor anymore there Wabbit. Henry is the least of the Broncos worries right about now. I say, start Selvin anyhow.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 12:55 AM

I find it funny so many of you want him to lose his appeal because you don't care for his other life choices. That coupled with his injuries this year and you're ready to throw him under the bus.

If the guy was having an 1800 yard season with 15 TD's you'd all be singing a different tune, imo, and that is just a sad state of some posters on this board. But since he's had a poor year it's easy to pile on.

Where were all you guys when we made the signing? Again, everyone was excited for it.

It amazes me that people want to see our best option at RB be suspended because you have a personal agenda against the man. I don't agree with some of his decisions either, but I can seperate that from the football player.

DBroncos4life

12-04-2007, 12:56 AM

Kinda of non factor anymore there Wabbit. Henry is the least of the Broncos worries right about now. I say, start Selvin anyhow.

He has proven to be weak in college and he is doing it again in the NFL. If we cut ties with Henry in the offseason then RB is a huge need again.

Malcontent

12-04-2007, 12:58 AM

He has proven to be weak in college and he is doing it again in the NFL. If we cut ties with Henry in the offseason then RB is a huge need again.

So are you for or against a suspension.

My point was merely...WHO CARES AT THIS POINT!!!:approve:

DBroncos4life

12-04-2007, 01:03 AM

So are you for or against a suspension.

My point was merely...WHO CARES AT THIS POINT!!!:approve:

If Henry wants to play then so be it. We are paying him to do so and he seems willing to do just that. Yeah the fact that he has 9 kids and doesn't seem to be doing anything for them is very troublesome but you can't force someone to be more then they are. As long as the court system does their part and he is forced to atleast support the kids money wise thats all that anyone can do about it. It sucks but thats life I guess. You can sit here and say they don't have a father but atleast Henry is making a living and not in the pen so they are getting that atleast.

My point is having Henry on the roster and having him healthy takes one more need away from us in the offseason.

Malcontent

12-04-2007, 01:05 AM

As you put it..Henry has a choice whether to play? Sleepy time for you.

Lev Vyvanse

12-04-2007, 01:08 AM

I find it funny so many of you want him to lose his appeal because you don't care for his other life choices. That coupled with his injuries this year and you're ready to throw him under the bus.

If the guy was having an 1800 yard season with 15 TD's you'd all be singing a different tune, imo, and that is just a sad state of some posters on this board. But since he's had a poor year it's easy to pile on.

Where were all you guys when we made the signing? Again, everyone was excited for it.
Totally right. I had no idea what this ****er had done.

It amazes me that people want to see our best option at RB be suspended because you have a personal agenda against the man. I don't agree with some of his decisions either, but I can seperate that from the football player.

I can not separate our best RB option from someone who abandons children.

DBroncos4life

12-04-2007, 01:10 AM

As you put it..Henry has a choice whether to play? Sleepy time for you.

Huh? I'm just saying should the rumors about him winning be true. He could have just has easily said I'm done for the year after finding out he tore his PCL. Instead he's showed that he wants to work through the pain and give it a go. I like Young as a change of pace type back but he won't be a full time starter in the NFL. He will be hurt more often then not. Thats what his problem was in college. Year in and year out it seems we find some RB off the street and he does well and everyone says he will be the guy, ala Mike Bell. Yeah its a nice story but we need a star RB to take us to the next level on O.

Hogan11

12-04-2007, 01:21 AM

24champ

12-04-2007, 01:21 AM

I've been wrong about this kind of thing before, but I also heard late last week & again today that Henry will actually win his appeal.

Adam Schefter has better sources than me many times over, and he has said that Henry will be suspended, so, there is still some doubt, obviously.

Assuming he wins his appeal, there will be qualifiers...like continued random tests and whatnot.

Things do not re-set as if Henry had a clean slate if what I'm hearing is correct.

Word should...and I say 'should'...come down on this tomorrow from the high & mighty NFL Commissioners Office.

Who is your source dammit! ;D

I hear the reason the ruling was taking forever is because Henry's Lawyers put forth some very compelling arguments by showing results of past experiments of second hand smoke to make Henry's case, forensic experts also weighed in this case. Was wondering if you heard the same Wabbit?

The ruling IS coming down tomorrow and word is that Henry isn't going to be suspended.

wabbit

12-04-2007, 01:53 AM

Who is your source dammit! ;D

I hear the reason the ruling was taking forever is because Henry's Lawyers put forth some very compelling arguments by showing results of past experiments of second hand smoke to make Henry's case, forensic experts also weighed in this case. Was wondering if you heard the same Wabbit?

The ruling IS coming down tomorrow and word is that Henry isn't going to be suspended.

What I was told is that the Commissioners Office was shown fairly clear evidence that the positive sample was so minuscule as to fall into the margin of error, and that he had tested clean before and shortly AFTER the positive sample.

As most folks know, THC doesn't metabolize that quickly, so there is a legal question about the validity of the positive sample.

He also has taken several tests since and all were clean.

Again, he will likely have to submit to the random program even if he's successful with his appeal this time, so there's always the off-chance this could all happen again.

fdf

12-04-2007, 05:53 AM

Still, I'd be very surprised if the NFL lost here...it's drug testing and they don't want a precedent set that allows for a loophole.

But if Henry really passed hair tests, they are (as I understand it) more accurate and almost impossible to spoof. Also, they tell you if the guy has been clean over a long period of time.

It's quite possible this is a false positive (they happen with every diagnostic test). Seems to me it would be a perfectly manageable standard to allow the athlete to take a hair test right away after a positive, if he wants to, and to treat the hair test as definative. Especially where the positive was, as in Henry's case, so small on the pee test.

There may be a union problem. The union may object to any validation given to hair tests because the athlete will get nailed if he used three months ago.

Crushaholic

12-04-2007, 09:22 AM

Even if he wins the case, Shanahan is under NO obligation to start him. Denver paid him "starter" money, but he would STILL be good to have around for depth.

Garcia Bronco

12-04-2007, 10:25 AM

But if Henry really passed hair tests, they are (as I understand it) more accurate and almost impossible to spoof. Also, they tell you if the guy has been clean over a long period of time.

It's quite possible this is a false positive (they happen with every diagnostic test). Seems to me it would be a perfectly manageable standard to allow the athlete to take a hair test right away after a positive, if he wants to, and to treat the hair test as definative. Especially where the positive was, as in Henry's case, so small on the pee test.

There may be a union problem. The union may object to any validation given to hair tests because the athlete will get nailed if he used three months ago.

The only problem with the hair test is the distance between his false postive and the hair test. The tests were months apart.

illbroncsfn

12-04-2007, 10:42 AM

If Henry does win the appeal- I will support him as being a member of the Denver Broncos. If Henry loses the appeal- I will support whatever the Denver Broncos decide to do w/Henry as an organization.

I for one do believe that the Denver Broncos are a better team with Travis Henry than without him. I recognize that Travis Henry may need a remedial lesson on birth control, but I think too many on this board have unfrairly chastised Travis Henry for the Broncos shortcomings. Folks, Travis Henry did not give up 329 points on defense thus far through 12 games. Travis Henry did not give up 2 special teams TD's to the Ridiculous Devin Hester.

Many here believe that we are better off w/Selvin Young at TB. Selvin Young's main issues throughout his collegiate career have been injuries- which have again shown to be an issue in the NFL. In my opinion the Broncos are best off w/Travis Henry toting the rock 20-25 times/game and Selvin Young getting 10 touches- just my opinion for what it is worth.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 10:48 AM

I don't care one iota about his life choices...that's his deal. I just can't see the NFL taking a black eye on it's drug testing policy, nor setting a precedent and allowing a loophole via a Henry victory in his appeal.

I'd be totally shocked if it happened.....totally.

I think this is also a pretty big misconception. It's not really a loop hole from what I understand. It's the fact that the NFL drug testing policy doesn't line up with legally accepted criteria. As long as this is the case, there will always be these kind of controversies.

In any case, I look at it that Henry has brought to light something that needs to be changed by the NFL. I see that as a good thing and I dont' see why Goodell wouldn't look at it as a way to improve the policy to become more fair.

This idea that Goodell has it out for the Broncos and Shanahan becauze they feel Henry has been un-fairly tested (and have taken steps within their power to prove their case) and evaluated by the NFL is just crazy talk to me.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 10:53 AM

Just wanted to add that if I was in Henry's situation, I would be very happy that my empolyer is stepping up to bat for me.

I would also do everything in my power to save my job if I was falsely accused and to hell with what everyone thought about it.

lazarus4444

12-04-2007, 11:02 AM

If Henry can play with some fire and passion AND hangon to the ****ing ball then i'll be glad to have him. But, i got a feeling he's just collecting a paycheck. No leadership, no passion, no fire, just a mooch.

HEAV

12-04-2007, 11:20 AM

If Henry does get off this Pot deal, I just hope it, along with the Sean Taylor murder make him change his life.

It's time to grow up Travis, be a man, be a father, be team leader! Support your kids, drop the pot buddies...

Northman

12-04-2007, 11:25 AM

Henry is overrated.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 11:33 AM

Henry is overrated.

Based on his limited play this year due to injury, I don't really see how anyone can make a statment that Henry is over/under rated.

Not saying this is you, but a lot of posters on this board are looking at Young/Hall through orange tinted glasses. I'm excited about them too, but not sold on them by any means.

Northman

12-04-2007, 11:38 AM

Based on his limited play this year due to injury, I don't really see how anyone can make a statment that Henry is over/under rated.

Not saying this is you, but a lot of posters on this board are looking at Young/Hall through orange tinted glasses. I'm excited about them too, but not sold on them by any means.

Unfortuantely, ive been far more impressed with Young and Hall than i have with Henry this year. I knew coming in that Henry was a question mark when it comes to being healthy. The fact that he has had off the field problems only adds to the dilemma of signing him. obviously i as well as a lot of people on here were hoping for the best but as it looks now this wasnt a good signing.

Flex Gunmetal

12-04-2007, 12:27 PM

Until he can play 4 full quarters of solid football, I'm ambivalent. Show me more of Young/Hall.

Dagmar

12-04-2007, 12:29 PM

Is this gonna be another one of those weeks we hear nothing?

SureShot

12-04-2007, 12:52 PM

A guy I sat next to on the Light Rail who works in a unamed law office says he will be suspended.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 12:54 PM

Unfortuantely, ive been far more impressed with Young and Hall than i have with Henry this year. I knew coming in that Henry was a question mark when it comes to being healthy. The fact that he has had off the field problems only adds to the dilemma of signing him. obviously i as well as a lot of people on here were hoping for the best but as it looks now this wasnt a good signing.

He hasn't missed a game due to off-field issues thus far so I think it's unfair to lump that in any kind of evaluation as a football player.

Ambiguous

12-04-2007, 12:56 PM

Is this gonna be another one of those weeks we hear nothing?

I think so...seems like every week since September we have heard that the announcement is coming at the end of the week or in a few days.

Fact of the matter is, at this point I don't really care. At the beginning of the season I was worried about it, but now it looks like the Broncos probably won't produce much until next year, and I haven't seen anything terribly promising out of Henry anyway.

Flex Gunmetal

12-04-2007, 12:59 PM

I rely on Light Rail info for all my serious inquiries.

KillerBronco#76

12-04-2007, 01:42 PM

He sucked so bad for us this year he was only leading the league in rushing for 5 weeks before he got hurt. What a scrub.

telluride

12-04-2007, 01:47 PM

Another awful signing by Shanny. No matter how this shakes out, we should move on without him. It's long past time to remake this team. We need athletes, leaders, and good characters. Henry is none of the above.

Northman

12-04-2007, 01:49 PM

He hasn't missed a game due to off-field issues thus far so I think it's unfair to lump that in any kind of evaluation as a football player.

No he hasnt missed any right now. And no its not unfair to evaluate him on his past behavior. Guys who come into Denver with clouds over their heads concerns me as a fan of this team. If Henry can straighten his life out and remain healthy and productive for this team than ill change my stance. But right now i havent seen anything positive from him.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 01:55 PM

No he hasnt missed any right now. And no its not unfair to evaluate him on his past behavior. Guys who come into Denver with clouds over their heads concerns me as a fan of this team. If Henry can straighten his life out and remain healthy and productive for this team than ill change my stance. But right now i havent seen anything positive from him.

Well I can agree with that outlook.

That One Guy

12-04-2007, 01:57 PM

He sucked so bad for us this year he was only leading the league in rushing for 5 weeks before he got hurt. What a scrub.

That's all well and good but can you say that a guy with his current yardage totals at week 13 of the season is worth everything that he's being paid? There's been nothing to say that he'll avoid injuries any better from here on out, he seems to just have a way of getting hurt.

So, that simple, does his current stats justify his paycheck?

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 02:03 PM

That's all well and good but can you say that a guy with his current yardage totals at week 13 of the season is worth everything that he's being paid? There's been nothing to say that he'll avoid injuries any better from here on out, he seems to just have a way of getting hurt.

So, that simple, does his current stats justify his paycheck?

If you want to argue about getting rid of him because of his injury issues, I can see that side of that...I don't agree, but I can see it. However, you have no leg to stand on when you argue performance. When he is out there, he is by far our best RB option and the guy produces.

That One Guy

12-04-2007, 02:11 PM

If you want to argue about getting rid of him because of his injury issues, I can see that side of that...I don't agree, but I can see it. However, you have no leg to stand on when you argue performance. When he is out there, he is by far our best RB option and the guy produces.

Yeah, he's good when he's 100% or close to it... he was awesome the first few weeks and everything we'd hoped for. After the first few weeks though, he just went downhill and that's my biggest issue with him. I just hoped they'd suspend him since there's no do-overs unless you're willing to sacrifice all that bonus money. If they suspend him, some of the bonus money comes back.

I just want reliability in the backfield. Henry is clearly more talented than Young but Young is as reliable, if not more, and playing for peanuts.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 02:41 PM

Yeah, he's good when he's 100% or close to it... he was awesome the first few weeks and everything we'd hoped for. After the first few weeks though, he just went downhill and that's my biggest issue with him. I just hoped they'd suspend him since there's no do-overs unless you're willing to sacrifice all that bonus money. If they suspend him, some of the bonus money comes back.

I just want reliability in the backfield. Henry is clearly more talented than Young but Young is as reliable, if not more, and playing for peanuts.

Young is cheap, but he keeps getting dinged up in games as well. I wouldn't put all my eggs in Young's basket in so far as being able to stay healthly for an entire season.

In today's NFL, it just isn't feasible to have 1 go to RB. A heathly Henry as a starter and Young as a backup would be a nice punch to have next season. If Young can then show that he can conitnue to step up his game, I'd be more open to getting rid of Henry.

I realize in that scenario that becomes a burden since you're talking about saving extra money with the suspension versus just cutting him (if he couldn't be traded). However, I would feel this is the best answer for the team as a whole. I'd be pretty worried about the RB position with just Young and Hall as Bell seems to have been completely removed from the equation.

That One Guy

12-04-2007, 02:44 PM

Young is cheap, but he keeps getting dinged up in games as well. I wouldn't put all my eggs in Young's basket in so far as being able to stay healthly for an entire season.

In today's NFL, it just isn't feasible to have 1 go to RB. A heathly Henry as a starter and Young as a backup would be a nice punch to have next season. If Young can then show that he can conitnue to step up his game, I'd be more open to getting rid of Henry.

I realize in that scenario that becomes a burden since you're talking about saving extra money with the suspension versus just cutting him (if he couldn't be traded). However, I would feel this is the best answer for the team as a whole. I'd be pretty worried about the RB position with just Young and Hall as Bell seems to have been completely removed from the equation.

But don't you agree that his paycheck prevents the Broncos from going after the LJ type back, someone who you can pound for 350+ carries a year and he'll be back next year asking for more? Basically, it seems, as long as Henry is the starter we'll be forced to go 3 or 4 deep on the RB corps and end up using them all. I'd like 1 quality starter and one decent backup that only occasionally has to play rather than 3 guys that all have to play when the other two are out with booboos.

DBroncos4life

12-04-2007, 02:45 PM

Until he can play 4 full quarters of solid football, I'm ambivalent. Show me more of Young/Hall.

Those guys haven't played a full game either.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 02:48 PM

But don't you agree that his paycheck prevents the Broncos from going after the LJ type back, someone who you can pound for 350+ carries a year and he'll be back next year asking for more? Basically, it seems, as long as Henry is the starter we'll be forced to go 3 or 4 deep on the RB corps and end up using them all. I'd like 1 quality starter and one decent backup that only occasionally has to play rather than 3 guys that all have to play when the other two are out with booboos.

Well no. I don't the LJ type back is the way to go in the NFL any longer. The career lengths of these type of backs is just too short. My point is that in today's NFL, you need to be 3 deep at the RB position.

I agree that you need a quality starter out of that group and I think Henry can be that guy. I don't anyone else on our roster outside of Henry can be that bonefide #1 guy, so even if we get rid of him, I think we'll need to pursue another FA RB or pick someone up in the draft.

DBroncos4life

12-04-2007, 02:48 PM

I don't get why some of you guys think Young can carry the load for us. He was always hurt at Texas. Why do you think he went undrafted?

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 02:49 PM

Those guys haven't played a full game either.

It's the whole orange colored glasses around here with the guys we have at RB.

That One Guy

12-04-2007, 02:59 PM

Well no. I don't the LJ type back is the way to go in the NFL any longer. The career lengths of these type of backs is just too short. My point is that in today's NFL, you need to be 3 deep at the RB position.

I agree that you need a quality starter out of that group and I think Henry can be that guy. I don't anyone else on our roster outside of Henry can be that bonefide #1 guy, so even if we get rid of him, I think we'll need to pursue another FA RB or pick someone up in the draft.

And that's what I'm in favor of. I'm probably foolish in that I'm starting to consider whether Turner in SD would be a good option, he looks like he has enough meat on his bones to take a lickin' but he also hasn't been a full time starter yet. A case of see what you can get rather than stick with what you know you have for me because it just seems like an overinvestment for the production. Henry may be better at staying healthy if he had more legit holes and didn't have to earn every single yard himself though. It seems like every one of his runs requires him to hit someone, maybe that's just his style though and there's nothing we can do about that.

As for the 1 LJ type guy not being right for the NFL anymore, do you not buy into the talk that RBs always claim to get better as they get into a rythm and the game goes on? I don't know how many times I've heard that about guys like Dayne who seem built to take a load. It could just be them fighting for more carries though, who knows.

DBroncos4life

12-04-2007, 03:11 PM

And that's what I'm in favor of. I'm probably foolish in that I'm starting to consider whether Turner in SD would be a good option, he looks like he has enough meat on his bones to take a lickin' but he also hasn't been a full time starter yet. A case of see what you can get rather than stick with what you know you have for me because it just seems like an overinvestment for the production. Henry may be better at staying healthy if he had more legit holes and didn't have to earn every single yard himself though. It seems like every one of his runs requires him to hit someone, maybe that's just his style though and there's nothing we can do about that.

As for the 1 LJ type guy not being right for the NFL anymore, do you not buy into the talk that RBs always claim to get better as they get into a rythm and the game goes on? I don't know how many times I've heard that about guys like Dayne who seem built to take a load. It could just be them fighting for more carries though, who knows.

All of that banks on us getting money back from Henry. Mike already publicly stood up for Henry by telling everyone that he passed the hair and lie detector test. It would look pretty poor on our parts to try and get money back from him. As far as the kid thing goes, the team knew about that way before it was made public so thats a non issue.

So we have a guy in Henry that can carry the load for us and be good at it. If we drop him RB becomes a need again. Turner hasn't proven crap. To me he seems like another Jordan type. He won't be cheap and he will take money away from our more pressing needs like say both OL/DL and LBs.

That One Guy

12-04-2007, 03:17 PM

All of that banks on us getting money back from Henry. Mike already publicly stood up for Henry by telling everyone that he passed the hair and lie detector test. It would look pretty poor on our parts to try and get money back from him. As far as the kid thing goes, the team knew about that way before it was made public so thats a non issue.

So we have a guy in Henry that can carry the load for us and be good at it. If we drop him RB becomes a need again. Turner hasn't proven crap. To me he seems like another Jordan type. He won't be cheap and he will take money away from our more pressing needs like say both OL/DL and LBs.

The kids thing is pretty much insignificant to me. So Henry is a putz but you also have 9 women getting knocked up by him and I bet it had nothing to do with his charm and promises that they'd spend their lives together. Sounds like they're all fools and the kids are the ones left paying. As long as they get food on the table, clothes on their back, and a slap upside the head to keep em pointed in the right direction... they'll be what they want to be.

Do you really think Henry would be best served carrying the load though? Maybe he'll be forced to be part of a platoon to prevent any serious injuries? Maybe he just tweaks the knee first but continues running on it and partially tears something and that's why he's out 3 or 4 weeks? It just seems like the injuries are all legit but they're so common, somehow they have to find a way to keep him on the field.

That One Guy

12-04-2007, 03:19 PM

Oh, and as for the money, I'd imagine they'd have to go after it anyways. Isn't most of his money guarranteed future salaries? So they could just not pay it if he broke the contract by being suspended? I agree it may not look good that you said the guy was innocent but then punished him yourself but it is a business.

Atwater His Ass

12-04-2007, 03:25 PM

And that's what I'm in favor of. I'm probably foolish in that I'm starting to consider whether Turner in SD would be a good option, he looks like he has enough meat on his bones to take a lickin' but he also hasn't been a full time starter yet. A case of see what you can get rather than stick with what you know you have for me because it just seems like an overinvestment for the production. Henry may be better at staying healthy if he had more legit holes and didn't have to earn every single yard himself though. It seems like every one of his runs requires him to hit someone, maybe that's just his style though and there's nothing we can do about that.

As for the 1 LJ type guy not being right for the NFL anymore, do you not buy into the talk that RBs always claim to get better as they get into a rythm and the game goes on? I don't know how many times I've heard that about guys like Dayne who seem built to take a load. It could just be them fighting for more carries though, who knows.

I think we have other more pressing needs on this team than RB. IMO, if Henry does not get suspended, we are set at RB and free to not waste picks and/or more money on the RB position. I think it would be self-destructive to address the RB position again this off-season, unless of course, Henry gets suspended.

Again I think you need a clear #1 guy, but I don't want him getting 350+ carries a year either.

And DBroncos4life I agree with your take 100%. This team does not want Henry to get suspended or to get rid of him. Shanny knew about his past, signed him anyway. You can agree or not with that decision but the fact is that was a non-issue to the Broncos organization. The other facts are that the Broncos are doing everything they can to keep this guy active because they feel he is our best bet at RB for now and the future. If we wanted to drop him, we wouldn't have made such a big deal about the drug test.

DBroncos4life

12-04-2007, 03:38 PM

The kids thing is pretty much insignificant to me. So Henry is a putz but you also have 9 women getting knocked up by him and I bet it had nothing to do with his charm and promises that they'd spend their lives together. Sounds like they're all fools and the kids are the ones left paying. As long as they get food on the table, clothes on their back, and a slap upside the head to keep em pointed in the right direction... they'll be what they want to be.

Do you really think Henry would be best served carrying the load though? Maybe he'll be forced to be part of a platoon to prevent any serious injuries? Maybe he just tweaks the knee first but continues running on it and partially tears something and that's why he's out 3 or 4 weeks? It just seems like the injuries are all legit but they're so common, somehow they have to find a way to keep him on the field.

The kid thing is a black eye of sorts because no one wants people like this on the team, fan wise I guess. The team did know about it before it was let out in the press. Shannahan is good friends with Fisher and I would imagine they talked about it. I'm hoping that the Broncos as a team wanted Henry to take a more pro active role in his kids lives. No one really knows what he is doing or not doing for them as of now. Who knows maybe he calls them everyday now and visits them whenever he can. No one can say. Odds are he isn't but it would be nice if he did.

His knee is hurt, but so is Young's. I guess just play them how we are splitting carries. If Henry can carry the load then so be it, and if Young can go then get him his touches.

If Henry does get suspended and we get money back from him then, yeah I'm all for finding another RB. Till then I don't think its a problem.

That One Guy

12-04-2007, 03:50 PM

If Henry does get suspended and we get money back from him then, yeah I'm all for finding another RB. Till then I don't think its a problem.

If it were guarranteed that we could get the money back and next year it'd be off our books as if Henry was never even here... am I the only one that would prefer that the team went elsewhere? I've just been so disappointed in him this year, it feels like I just got socks for my birthday and christmas.