Will you consider LSU/Ohio State the best team in the nation?

[Jens1893]

Will you consider the winner of the LSU/OSU game the best in the nation?

No flaming who got hosed etc. just a simple yes or no. My proposed random draw to select the 2 teams to play for it all in NOLA still looks good to me. ;)

I will have to figure out a way how to get a split MNC this season in the next month or so.

[Northman]

Absolutely not. But, the decision to have these teams in there isnt the teams fault. The system is flawed. But i dont feel either team should be in the big game. JMO

[shakenbake]

It doesn't matter what we consider because that is the way it will be

[Northman]

It doesn't matter what we consider because that is the way it will be

Not sure about that. Even though on paper it will be recorded as a Championship 98% of the country feels that neither should be. And thats saying a lot.

[shakenbake]

Not sure about that. Even though on paper it will be recorded as a Championship 98% of the country feels that neither should be. And thats saying a lot.

hmm I didn't see the poll out there that says 98% dont feel either should be there. Hell Ohio St and LSU fans probably make up more than 2%

[Northman]

hmm I didn't see the poll out there that says 98% dont feel either should be there. Hell Ohio St and LSU fans probably make up more than 2%


Im not sure what network i saw it on this morning but the only two states that felt the BCS got it right was..... you guessed it, Ohio and Louisana. Hilarious!

[Jens1893]

Im not sure what network i saw it on this morning but the only two states that felt the BCS got it right was..... you guessed it, Ohio and Louisana. Hilarious!

has to be espn sportsnation ... although id be voting yes as an illinois fan also

[Crushaholic]

Both teams won their conference. That should be the #1 criteria for playing for the national championship. I'll have no problem accepting either LSU or Ohio State as the National Champs...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think it is great that it is ambiguous and we can argue about it till next season begins.

[DBroncos4life]

Both teams won their conference. That should be the #1 criteria for playing for the national championship. I'll have no problem accepting either LSU or Ohio State as the National Champs...

Till all conferences have a championship game I think its a poor point to argue that. No team should get into it watching other teams lose for two weeks.

[Jens1893]

I think it is great that it is ambiguous and we can argue about it till next season begins.

The arguments that come with it are one of the reasons why I think College FB is so popular over there.

[Jens1893]

Till all conferences have a championship game I think its a poor point to argue that. No team should get into it watching other teams lose for two weeks.

I kinda agree, although I don´t think a Championship Game solves everything. I like it that all teams play each other once in the Pac 10 and that you can´t luck out with your conference schedule like Kansas did this season.

[Garcia Bronco]

No...but I am biased.

[lex]

I dont know if I will consider them the best but Im not really THAT compelled to watch.

[SoonerBronco]

No...but I am biased.


OU would smoke your guys Garcia! :rofl: We's make LSU look like the sisters of the poor!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The arguments that come with it are one of the reasons why I think College FB is so popular over there.

Exactly and as a college football fan, that is one reason I don't want a playoff. The debate keeps people interested. How many people even give college basketball a thought between March/April and December?

[Northman]

Both teams won their conference. That should be the #1 criteria for playing for the national championship. I'll have no problem accepting either LSU or Ohio State as the National Champs...


Virginia Tech was ranked higher than LSU and won their conference too.

[anthonypacino]

I don't think football is like baseball, where the "hottest" team at the time gets rewarded. Look what happend to the Rockies, were they the second best team in MLB? No, they just got hot at the right time and cooled off at the wrong time, the Red Sox were pretty constant all year.

[SoCalBronco]

Virginia Tech was ranked higher than LSU and won their conference too.

LSU assraped VT and also won their conference.

[Kaylore]

No. I will say this will be the first time, and probably the last, that I will be rooting for the Buckeyes.

[Northman]

LSU assraped VT and also won their conference.


Yep. But whats the BCS motto? Better to lose early than later? VaTech's 1 loss late in the season was too Boston College while LSU lost to Unranked Arkansas late in the season.

[SoCalBronco]

No. I will say this will be the first time, and probably the last, that I will be rooting for the Buckeyes.

I don't like the idea of a 2 loss champion either, it cheapens the concept of a national title....I mean its just absurd to have a 2 loss champion, period. But I can't bring myself to root for Ohio State on personal grounds, I will hold my nose and root for LSU.

[Garcia Bronco]

OU would smoke your guys Garcia! :rofl: We's make LSU look like the sisters of the poor!

We'd step on your dick and punch you in the teeth. There is a reason we finshed ahead of you in the BCS. I'll listen to the SEC talk, but not from sissy teams that lose to WAC schools in bowl game it shouldn't be in.

[SoonerBronco]

We'd step on your dick and punch you in the teeth. There is a reason we finshed ahead of you in the BCS. I'll listen to the SEC talk, but not from sissy teams that lose to WAC schools in bowl game it shouldn't be in.

I'm sure you would with that jaugernaut of an offense you guys have...puh-leeze!:~ohyah!:

[Rohirrim]

IMO, on any given Saturday, any of the teams in the top 15 could beat any of the other teams in the top 15. Until we have a playoff, we'll never know.

[oubronco]

Both teams won their conference. That should be the #1 criteria for playing for the national championship. I'll have no problem accepting either LSU or Ohio State as the National Champs...

well so did OU and there not in it, how the hell does every team that was ranked #2 or #1 that loses drop to tenth or so and LSU only to #7 then jump all the way to #2 when they played shiity and had to rely on a defensive TD to win there game against tennessee if the teams ahead of them didn't lose then they should'nt have jumped them the only way to get it right is to have a playoff but the bowls generate way too much money and it will never happen so it is what it is

[Northman]

well so did OU and there not in it, how the hell does every team that was ranked #2 or #1 that loses drop to tenth or so and LSU only to #7 then jump all the way to #2 when they played shiity and had to rely on a defensive TD to win there game against tennessee if the teams ahead of them didn't lose then they should'nt have jumped them the only way to get it right is to have a playoff but the bowls generate way too much money and it will never happen so it is what it is


Agreed. Even though the Sooners schedule was much softer than LSU's there is no way that they should have leapedfrogged over OU for a title shot.

[spdirty]

Only 2 bowl games Ill watch are the Indy Bowl and the Armed Forces Bowl.

I hate the BCS. Its nothing but a mythical national championship. Either do a playoff with 4 or more teams or go back to the old way.

[Northman]

Only 2 bowl games Ill watch are the Indy Bowl and the Armed Forces Bowl.

I hate the BCS. Its nothing but a mythical national championship. Either do a playoff with 4 or more teams or go back to the old way.



Yea, i can honestly say i will not watch the Championship game. And its sad because OSU and LSU are great schools with great tradition. But the BCS has screwed up for the last time for me. Not too mention there are plenty of other great bowl game matchups that are more appealing.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Only 2 bowl games Ill watch are the Indy Bowl and the Armed Forces Bowl.

I hate the BCS. Its nothing but a mythical national championship. Either do a playoff with 4 or more teams or go back to the old way.

You'll be missing some great football matchups then. With only a couple of exceptions, the games are pretty well matched, as usual. Due to needing to visit the inlaws I will probalby miss seeing the games before Christmas day (I'll record 3-4 of them) but I'll watch every game after Christmas

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm sure you would with that jaugernaut of an offense you guys have...puh-leeze!:~ohyah!:

It ain't the offense that makes people quit. It's the defense. Like I said...that why we finished ahead of despite the coaches and Harris poll trying to screw the Hokies. I wouldn't worry about the Hokies though....you best worry about WVA....who is going to whoop you bad.

[SoonerBronco]

It ain't the offense that makes people quit. It's the defense. Like I said...that why we finished ahead of despite the coaches and Harris poll trying to screw the Hokies. I wouldn't worry about the Hokies though....you best worry about WVA....who is going to whoop you bad.

we'll see about that...I would hope your defense could stop a few ACC offenses...didn't make LSU quit...

PS...I'm just giving you a bunch of chit!

:welcome:

[Garcia Bronco]

we'll see about that...I would hope your defense could stop a few ACC offenses...didn't make LSU quit...

PS...I'm just giving you a bunch of chit!

:welcome:

The offense killed us that game. Punk! :)

[Kaylore]

I don't like the idea of a 2 loss champion either, it cheapens the concept of a national title....I mean its just absurd to have a 2 loss champion, period. But I can't bring myself to root for Ohio State on personal grounds, I will hold my nose and root for LSU.

I would probably be pulling for LSU were it not for Gary Crowton. That man is notorious for calling stupid plays in big games. All they have is the screen pass anyways. Unfortunately with the Buckeye's winless record against the SEC in bowl games, I fear even the underwhelming Tigers will get the best of them.

[ohiobronco2]

I just thought about this, the big ten is an underdog in 6 of their 8 games. Also, the big three games (OSU VS LSU, Illinois VS USC and Florida VS Michigan) are all played pretty much in the backyard of the big ten's opponents. I know that people don't want to play bowl games up north during winter months, but I think it is completely unfair to get to essentially play a bowl game at home.

[Northman]

I just thought about this, the big ten is an underdog in 6 of their 8 games. Also, the big three games (OSU VS LSU, Illinois VS USC and Florida VS Michigan) are all played pretty much in the backyard of the big ten's opponents. I know that people don't want to play bowl games up north during winter months, but I think it is completely unfair to get to essentially play a bowl game at home.


agreed.

[anthonypacino]

Yeah they really need to be at netural sites. The Buckeyes travel well, but having the game in NO and in a dome will be tough. But then again winning is winning no matter where you have to go.

[Kaylore]

Yeah they really need to be at netural sites. The Buckeyes travel well, but having the game in NO and in a dome will be tough. But then again winning is winning no matter where you have to go.

But having the game in the same state is still a joke. Ohio State is fortunate their fan base is so widespread but that shouldn't hide how unfair that is. If this was Oregon playing LSU it would be completely unfair and a total joke.

[Jens1893]

But having the game in the same state is still a joke. Ohio State is fortunate their fan base is so widespread but that shouldn't hide how unfair that is. If this was Oregon playing LSU it would be completely unfair and a total joke.

You can´t blame LSU for getting to the NCG in the year in which is played in New Orleans. How are the tickets being distributed for that one? How many tickets do both schools get and how were the remaining tickets distributed?

As for the other 2 games. Illinois should be glad the Rose Bowl picked them due to their Big Ten connection as this is the only reason why the Rose Bowl picked them and when the Big Ten negotiates a Bowl tie-in for a Bowl in Orlando against a SEC opponent, they shouldn´t be all that surprised if they get Florida.

[anthonypacino]

But having the game in the same state is still a joke. Ohio State is fortunate their fan base is so widespread but that shouldn't hide how unfair that is. If this was Oregon playing LSU it would be completely unfair and a total joke.

I kinda liked the old way of rotating the BCS games with the championship game, then they could wait til the two teams were named then choose which site would host the championship, base it on distances between schools and choose the one that is closest to a mid-point. (I of course know that will never ever happen for many reason$.)

[oubronco]

You can´t blame LSU for getting to the NCG in the year in which is played in New Orleans. How are the tickets being distributed for that one? How many tickets do both schools get and how were the remaining tickets distributed?

As for the other 2 games. Illinois should be glad the Rose Bowl picked them due to their Big Ten connection as this is the only reason why the Rose Bowl picked them and when the Big Ten negotiates a Bowl tie-in for a Bowl in Orlando against a SEC opponent, they shouldn´t be all that surprised if they get Florida.

nope you can blame all the voters and whoever cause there is no way LSU should be in the championship game jumping from #7 to #2 by barely beating #14 tennessee was total B S

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Who would you have picked? Hawaii? Kansas who lost their conference championship game? Everyone else had two losses and both of LSU's losses were in triple OT.

[SoonerBronco]

You can´t blame LSU for getting to the NCG in the year in which is played in New Orleans. How are the tickets being distributed for that one? How many tickets do both schools get and how were the remaining tickets distributed?

As for the other 2 games. Illinois should be glad the Rose Bowl picked them due to their Big Ten connection as this is the only reason why the Rose Bowl picked them and when the Big Ten negotiates a Bowl tie-in for a Bowl in Orlando against a SEC opponent, they shouldn´t be all that surprised if they get Florida.


LSU fans are wretched, wretched people! I have heard nothing but horrible stories from 2003 when OU played them down there...It is a HUGE home field advantage for the Tigers...no doubt.

go to www.ouinsider.com and post a question regarding this. You will be shocked, I promise you.

[Jens1893]

nope you can blame all the voters and whoever cause there is no way LSU should be in the championship game jumping from #7 to #2 by barely beating #14 tennessee was total B S

I see your point and I am inclined to agree, but you could find similar arguments for all other teams. Under the current system, there was absolutely no way to make everyone happy. They couldn´t just give OSU the trophy per default.

LSU, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, USC and even Hawaii all have legit claims that they should be there and I think that in the end it probably all came down to either LSU or Virginia Tech. LSU was given the nod because they a) ass raped Virginia Tech earlier this season and b) play in the SEC, which is the toughest conference in the country.

Every team has things working against them

Ohio State - late season loss to Illinois, one game less than the rest, overall strength of the Big 10 is questionable
LSU - 2 losses in 3 OTs to unranked teams, one late in the season against Arkansas
Oklahoma - 2 convincing losses to unranked teams
Virginia Tech - got ass raped by LSU, other loss to at the time #2 Boston College
Southern Cal - loss to 41 point underdog Stanford, loss to at the time #5 Oregon

Instead of complaining that you have to go up against LSU in their back yard, I think OSU fans should be happy that they were given a chance to set things straight after last year´s debacle and that they managed to fall back into the fold with no doing of their own due to the inaptitude of others.

[Jens1893]

LSU fans are wretched, wretched people! I have heard nothing but horrible stories from 2003 when OU played them down there...It is a HUGE home field advantage for the Tigers...no doubt.

go to www.ouinsider.com and post a question regarding this. You will be shocked, I promise you.

Nothing shocks me :)

I could just as well ask the husband of my friend in Fort Worth, who is a pretty big Sooners fan.

[oubronco]

Who would you have picked? Hawaii? Kansas who lost their conference championship game? Everyone else had two losses and both of LSU's losses were in triple OT.

well VT was ranked ahead of them and didn't lose so they should have more right than LSU, kansas as well

[Northman]

Who would you have picked? Hawaii? Kansas who lost their conference championship game? Everyone else had two losses and both of LSU's losses were in triple OT.


Based upon their rankings i would have chosen OU because of where they finished in the standings. Its not OU's fault that LSU finished 7th in the standings.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

LSU fans are wretched, wretched people! I have heard nothing but horrible stories from 2003 when OU played them down there...It is a HUGE home field advantage for the Tigers...no doubt.

go to www.ouinsider.com and post a question regarding this. You will be shocked, I promise you.

I have been to 6-7 games at LSU and I would rank them as one of the best places to see a game. Fans are friendly and know the game. Maybe the Okie arrogance got your friends in trouble.

Of course when they have night games and start the tailgating at 8:00 AM it gets kind of hard to see the game. ;D

[Crushaholic]

well VT was ranked ahead of them and didn't lose so they should have more right than LSU, kansas as well

The fact that LSU beat VT in the regular season clears that little problem up. People clamor for a playoff system, but tend to ignore head-to-head matchups in the regular season...

[Garcia Bronco]

The fact that LSU beat VT in the regular season clears that little problem up. People clamor for a playoff system, but tend to ignore head-to-head matchups in the regular season...

I disagree. I think they should have played each other again for the NC game. The last half of the seaon we played much better than they did, and we only lost to the number 2 team in the country. They lost to an unranked opponent

[Garcia Bronco]

I see your point and I am inclined to agree, but you could find similar arguments for all other teams. Under the current system, there was absolutely no way to make everyone happy. They couldn´t just give OSU the trophy per default.

LSU, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, USC and even Hawaii all have legit claims that they should be there and I think that in the end it probably all came down to either LSU or Virginia Tech. LSU was given the nod because they a) ass raped Virginia Tech earlier this season and b) play in the SEC, which is the toughest conference in the country.

Every team has things working against them

Ohio State - late season loss to Illinois, one game less than the rest, overall strength of the Big 10 is questionable
LSU - 2 losses in 3 OTs to unranked teams, one late in the season against Arkansas
Oklahoma - 2 convincing losses to unranked teams
Virginia Tech - got ass raped by LSU, other loss to at the time #2 Boston College
Southern Cal - loss to 41 point underdog Stanford, loss to at the time #5 Oregon

Instead of complaining that you have to go up against LSU in their back yard, I think OSU fans should be happy that they were given a chance to set things straight after last year´s debacle and that they managed to fall back into the fold with no doing of their own due to the inaptitude of others.

But we rectified that loss to BC.

[Northman]

The fact that LSU beat VT in the regular season clears that little problem up. People clamor for a playoff system, but tend to ignore head-to-head matchups in the regular season...


And people like to ignore who teams lose too in the regular season. LSU lost to a unranked team whereas VT did not. Too me, the fact that VT lost to LSU earlier in the season is more meaningless than LSU losing to an unranked opponent. If LSU was that much better than everyone else above them in the polls than why bother having rankings to begin with? Kind of pointless dont you think? If LSU was so much better than Oklahoma, Virginia Tech and so on why bother dropping them to #7?

Thats the problem with the BCS and has been the problem forever. They pick and choose which arguement they want to use instead of doing the right thing. Do i think a team like Hawaii belongs in the Championship game? No. But they did go undefeated. And like OSU they only played the schedule in front of them so its not their fault that it wasnt a strong schedule. If im Junes Jones im like " why bother trying? " Because of scheduling conflicts Hawaii will never see a title game. But yet you can be a team like LSU, Florida, OSU, etc... and get in just because of your name and your following.

A lot of people want to say the College Football is pure as opposed to the NFL but the reality is its not. Its even more biased and full of crap than the NFL. At least in the NFL you get to prove yourself on the field and not what some talking head decides. Fans and school execs of the big name schools dont want playoff systems because they are scared. They are scared that the smaller schools will beat them which will hurt recruiting and the money brought in. A lot of these top schools have gotten fat while others see very little based upon name only. I say tough, make them earn it just like every other school has too. ok, my rant is over. Ha!

[Northman]

I disagree. I think they should have played each other again for the NC game. The last half of the seaon we played much better than they did, and we only lost to the number 2 team in the country. They lost to an unranked opponent

Yep. Would be a much different game. But even with that LSU didnt belong in the Championship game.

[Jens1893]

But we rectified that loss to BC.

You did, but you still have 2 losses and the win against BC in the ACC CCG doesn´t delete that loss from your record.

I really do think that you have a very legit and strong claim to be there instead of LSU and I think it came down to you and LSU for the voters, but that loss in Baton Rogue cost your dearly.

I am skeptical of Ohio State and the Big Ten after last year´s debacle, but they won a BCS conference with only one loss so there really was no way around them.

[Garcia Bronco]

You did, but you still have 2 losses and the win against BC in the ACC CCG doesn´t delete that loss from your record.

.

Without being bias I think it does. Either way though...we only lost to the number 2 team in the country. :)

[oubronco]

The fact that LSU beat VT in the regular season clears that little problem up. People clamor for a playoff system, but tend to ignore head-to-head matchups in the regular season...

LSU shouldn't have lost two weeks before the season was over that in itself would be enough you would think and teams like USC or OU they both lost two games and in my opinon are playing better than LSU but they didn't make it, and when you say that LSU lost in triple overtime well a loss is a loss

[SoonerBronco]

I see your point and I am inclined to agree, but you could find similar arguments for all other teams. Under the current system, there was absolutely no way to make everyone happy. They couldn´t just give OSU the trophy per default.

LSU, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, USC and even Hawaii all have legit claims that they should be there and I think that in the end it probably all came down to either LSU or Virginia Tech. LSU was given the nod because they a) ass raped Virginia Tech earlier this season and b) play in the SEC, which is the toughest conference in the country.

Every team has things working against them

Ohio State - late season loss to Illinois, one game less than the rest, overall strength of the Big 10 is questionable
LSU - 2 losses in 3 OTs to unranked teams, one late in the season against Arkansas
Oklahoma - 2 convincing losses to unranked teams
Virginia Tech - got ass raped by LSU, other loss to at the time #2 Boston College
Southern Cal - loss to 41 point underdog Stanford, loss to at the time #5 Oregon

Instead of complaining that you have to go up against LSU in their back yard, I think OSU fans should be happy that they were given a chance to set things straight after last year´s debacle and that they managed to fall back into the fold with no doing of their own due to the inaptitude of others.

We lost by 3 on the road when we had a ruled 1st down overturned with what the announcers said was not conclusive, and a muffed punt inside the 10.

We lose at tech by 7 with our backup QB and a tieing TD taken off the board, and even with that still had a chance at the onside late in the game...

Sorry Jens...not as "convincing" as you would say.

Here's convincing....OU 38 - #1 Mizzou 17

[Jens1893]

We lost by 3 on the road when we had a ruled 1st down overturned with what the announcers said was not conclusive, and a muffed punt inside the 10.

We lose at tech by 7 with our backup QB and a tieing TD taken off the board, and even with that still had a chance at the onside late in the game...

Sorry Jens...not as "convincing" as you would say.

Here's convincing....OU 38 - #1 Mizzou 17

Convincing compared to LSU´s losses in triple overtime. And the losses of all the other teams who do have a legit claim for that matter. You lost both games in regulation and were outgained in both.

[SoonerBronco]

Convincing compared to LSU´s losses in triple overtime. And the losses of all the other teams who do have a legit claim for that matter. You lost both games in regulation and were outgained in both.

LSU lost to a 4 loss team and a 5 loss team...

OSU lost to Illinois at home, a team Missouri beat. Of course you know what we did to Mizzou, not once, but twice.

It seems that everyone's losses are pretty crappy this year.

[Jens1893]

OSU lost to Illinois at home, a team Missouri beat. Of course you know what we did to Mizzou, not once, but twice.

Ohio State was a shoe in as they are the only BCS conference champion with one loss. I don´t quite like it myself, but there was no way around including them.

It seems that everyone's losses are pretty crappy this year.

Except for VT. There´s no shame in losing to #2 ranked teams, but that blowout in Baton Rouge cost them dearly.