Bly's Not Our Guy

[orangeatheist]

Is it just me or does Bly seem not to have bought into the Broncos organization? I see a lot of hate on this board for Gold but I at least see him attempting --and completing-- plays on the field. Bly, on the other hand, lets things like touchdowns get right past him. He just doesn't look like a guy who gives a damn. He's playing as if his mind is drifting to Washington and "what-could-have-been".

Dynamic Duo my ass.

Bly sure gets burned a lot.

[orinjkrush]

doesn't seem worth the money. but was good to move out foster

[(Jae)]

Darrent Williams >>>> Dre' Bly

[broncolife]

I thought he was a upgraded version of deltha oneal. So when do we switch Bly to reciever?

[orangeatheist]

Now, I never saw him play before he hit Denver. But there was so much hype about him. There was so much talk about how impossible it was going to be to throw against either him or Champ. When Champ came over, he was still Champ. The hype followed and he showed why it was well deserved. Bly comes over with similar hype and the guy plays as crappy as anyone else in a Bronco's uniform this year. Champ's hurt, I understand. What's Bly's excuse?

I swear I have this gut feeling he's just not giving us all he's got. He's bitter about the move here instead of Washington and his heart isn't in it, it seems. I hear announcers before our games talking about the matchups and they inevitably get to Champ and Bly and they talk about how dangerous they are and how much they are a Dynamic Duo. Ooooo! But then, during the game, I inevitably hear Bly's name come up in some kind of blown coverage, missed tackle or some other goof-ball screw up. And he doesn't seem to care.

A guy he should take a page from is Lynch. Did you see how livid Lynch was on the sidelines? Man, that's a guy who's 100% Bronco.

[AtlantaBronco]

From what I have seen this season there are a lot of guys that aren't "our guys". This season has gone from bad to down righte embarrassing. Kneeling down on the last play against the Raiders?! Delay of game on 4th down?!

There are going to be a lot of players and coaches not with this club after the end of the year.

[(Jae)]

A guy he should take a page from is Lynch. Did you see how livid Lynch was on the sidelines? Man, that's a guy who's 100% Bronco.

To be fair though, I've seen Bly cheerleading his heart out plenty of times this year on the sideline. Running down sidelines, jumping up and down.

He just stinks.

[orangeatheist]

There are going to be a lot of players and coaches not with this club after the end of the year.


I sincerely hope you're right.

[HEAV]

"what-could-have-been".

The Skins and Broncos have the same record!


Any corner has to have a short memory and a decnt pass rush to be successfull in the NFL.

Dre, hell and player, are playing in (fill in city name here) for the money.


Dre gets beat, happened in St Lious, Detriot and now in Denver. That's how he plays he take chances and gets burnt. But he also makes plays and plays hurt.

Dre is a solid corner, even Champ has looked mortal this year. But without a pass rush... any pro bowler looks like a 3rd teamer.


Broncos need to fix the up front, the back 4 are fine.

[missingnumber7]

Broncos need to fix the LB issues...then their corners and safeties wont have to worry as much about the run.

[broncogary]

I didn't see the whole game, but on that first touchdown, it was just a perfect throw. You can't cover every throw on every route.

[BroncoSoja]

Bly also has made some great plays for us this season some of which have saved the game for us.. Sure he gets burned occasionally most CB's do since the rule change a few years back. But alot of you seem to forget how badly Deltha and Williams (RIP) used to get burned.. Hell before DWIll got killed many were calling for him to be replaced by Foxworth and rightfully so.

Bly will be fine, he is having to play alittle differently then he used to play. Denver CB's play off the ball and Bly is used to being on the line and playing the WR at the line of scrimmage so he can interfer with his release but he is not really allowed to do that this year.. Which is funny since when we first brought in Bates I thought thats what his defensive scheme calls for...

[SoCalBronco]

It's irrelevant whether Bly is our guy or not.

16m guaranteed has decided the issue.

That said, I think he has been pretty good on balance this year.

[Florida_Bronco]

So Dre Bly gets burned on a near perfectly thrown ball and all of the sudden he "stinks" and "hasn't bought into the organization." ???

It's stuff like this that makes solid long time posters visit less or leave altogether.

[broncolife]

I think the main problem with our secondary is the problem we have with most of our front 7.

[manchambo]

I actually don't think he's been terrible this year. I also don't think you can reliably judge any individual player on the basis of performance within this fatally flawed defense.

[Denver724]

Our schemes suck. I see the Eagles compete against the Patriots. They did a great job. Their corners are no better than ours. I think our talent level may even be better. They have a great coach in Jim Johnson. We need a better coordinator. Bates must go!

[ND Bronco Fan]

When a corner is so concerned with the run because of our poor run defense they are trying to do two jobs instead of focusing on their primary goal of covering wide receivers..........fix the problems up front and the corners will return to normal.

[Sodak]

Middle linebacker, first round 2008 draft. Move DJ over to Wil.

[rovolution]

Middle linebacker, first round 2008 draft. Move DJ over to Wil.

we need to stock up on LBs.

Dizon and Connor both.

[(Jae)]

So Dre Bly gets burned on a near perfectly thrown ball and all of the sudden he "stinks" and "hasn't bought into the organization." ???


Bly's been stinking it up all year..............where have you been?

[orangeatheist]

So Dre Bly gets burned on a near perfectly thrown ball and all of the sudden he "stinks" and "hasn't bought into the organization." ???

It's stuff like this that makes solid long time posters visit less or leave altogether.

I'm not sure if you have a reading problem but I explained earlier why I'm thinking the way I do. That burn today was just the final straw. I've been seeing it all year. Have you only been playing the games on Madden?

It's stuff like this that makes solid long time posters visit less or leave altogether.

[orangeatheist]

I think the main problem with our secondary is the problem we have with most of our front 7.

And that may be what's giving the perception. But still, with the hype, I thought this guy was going to be picking off passes, knocking down balls, and creating general havoc whenever the ball got thrown his way. I'm not seeing it. At least not consistently. And, as I mentioned, it's just a feeling I get that his heart isn't in it. That burn on the Raider TD really sealed it for me. There was just something ordinary about his coverage that sucked all the hope I had in this guy given the hype prior to the season (and,as noted, prior to every game I've watched given by the announcers).

I'm disappointed with the team in general. Even Champ is less than stellar. But I still see a commitment in some of these other guys like Champ and Lynch, Stokley and Marshal. They have "it"; they seem part of the team. I'm not feeling that or seeing that from Bly.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Only players that seem to care about what happens on the field are Cutler, Marshall, Stokley, Scheffler, Dumervil, Champ and Lynch. I really don't know where the Denver Broncos went but those other guys that took their place kind of suck.

[RhymesayersDU]

I didn't read all the replies, so if this has been said, I apologize.

But as I recall, Champ's first season here was pretty ****ty too. Expectations of Bly are indeed high, but personally I'd give him another season.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Oh and Hamza too, I like him.

[Florida_Bronco]

I'm not sure if you have a reading problem but I explained earlier why I'm thinking the way I do. That burn today was just the final straw. I've been seeing it all year. Have you only been playing the games on Madden?

It's stuff like this that makes solid long time posters visit less or leave altogether.

I don't know what the hell you've been watching, but I haven't seen alot of bad play out of Bly.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bly was responsible for us only fielding 10 players on two consecutive plays in the 4th when the Raiders were driving for the last TD (reported by Roach on the sidelines). The guy has been horrible at times for us this year.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

Would have loved to see Bly and Champ together in Coyer's defense. Can anyone name me one player that has benefitted from Bates' garbage?

[Dudeskey]

I didn't read all the replies, so if this has been said, I apologize.

But as I recall, Champ's first season here was pretty ****ty too. Expectations of Bly are indeed high, but personally I'd give him another season.

He had a pretty decent season. His int totals just weren't gaudy. Matter of fact he went to the pro bowl that year. Bly's just been very pedestrian so far... I almost miss Kelly Herndon

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He had a pretty decent season. His int totals just weren't gaudy. Matter of fact he went to the pro bowl that year. Bly's just been very pedestrian so far... I almost miss Kelly HerndonSo far, Herndon is twice the player Bly has been. At least he knew when he was suppose to be on the field.

[lex]

What I dont like about Bly aside from his gambling hurting more than it has helped is the fact that the guy is often quoted and has been very quick to deflect blame. Theres no accounatbility with that dude.

[BlaK-Argentina]

So far, Herndon is twice the player Bly has been. At least he knew when he was suppose to be on the field.

Kelly Herndon... that guy was all heart. We could use him and about 40 more like him.

[dsmoot]

Darrent Williams >>>> Dre' Bly

Although Dre has had his problems. Darrent was not much different in results than Dre. Darrent would get beat with about the same frequency. Darrent may have been a better tackler. Darrent's lack of height was definitely taken advantage last year especially near the end zone.

[Dudeskey]

Would have loved to see Bly and Champ together in Coyer's defense. Can anyone name me one player that has benefitted from Bates' garbage?

Dumervill... He's gotten significantly more playing time

[(Jae)]

Although Dre has had his problems. Darrent was not much different in results than Dre. Darrent would get beat with about the same frequency. Darrent may have been a better tackler. Darrent's lack of height was definitely taken advantage last year especially near the end zone.

True...........we're getting the same production out of Bly we got in Darrent last year, which was inconsistent play.
But Darrent was still learning the game and was only going to get better from his mistakes.
Bly is a veteran, and making the same bad reads I saw Darrent make his 2nd season, being a veteran and all.

When you add all that up with Darrent not costing an arm and a leg for subpar play and his upside, you understand my initial post.

[~Crash~]

I didn't read all the replies, so if this has been said, I apologize.

But as I recall, Champ's first season here was pretty ****ty too. Expectations of Bly are indeed high, but personally I'd give him another season.

I like our younger DB's better .

[missingnumber7]

Lets put it like this, Bly was better than putting foxy there, He wasn't ready to be a full time starter. And after losing what would've been the future in DWill...we needed someone and preferably a vet. Bly's had his crappy games, but he has been ok. And that is good enough for me right now. Add on top of everything that Bly is learning a new defense, but then again so is the whole defense. And that they have switched to a Tampa 2 for a couple games in the middle of the season and then back to Bate's scheme which are major adjustments for DB's. Give him time.

[Hogan11]

Although Dre has had his problems. Darrent was not much different in results than Dre. Darrent would get beat with about the same frequency. Darrent may have been a better tackler. Darrent's lack of height was definitely taken advantage last year especially near the end zone.

Absolutely...and while DWill was "still learning" he was learning from Bailey, which was a mistake. Sure you want to learn from the very best but you have to have Bailey's level of talent to play the same style that Bailey plays...and DWill didn't have it. That's no bash on DWill at all, hardly anyone has Bailey's type of talent.

Bly, at least, doesn't try to emulate Bailey's style...which is a good thing because if he did, he'd look twice as bad as he does now.

[Popps]

I figured the Bly experiment would go about like this. Said so in the pre-season.

He'll make a few plays, blow at least that many... doesn't play the run at all, and thinks way too highly of himself.

Detroit fans were thrilled to see him go. That generally tells you something about a player.

[missingnumber7]

I figured the Bly experiment would go about like this. Said so in the pre-season.

He'll make a few plays, blow at least that many... doesn't play the run at all, and thinks way too highly of himself.

Detroit fans were thrilled to see him go. That generally tells you something about a player.


Detroit fans were happy to see him go because he was a cancer in the locker room.

[Rohirrim]

Bly is leading the team in INTs. We don't have a pass rush. On top of that, because of our flaky run D, our secondary knows they better keep one eye on run support.

[Smiling Assassin27]

dre was an upgrade over d-will but there isn't a db alive that can succeed with the pass rush we have now. is he worth what we paid him? no. is he better than what we had? i think so.

our front 7, on the other hand, is a joke. they are the reason this defense is where it's at.

[Los Broncos]

I didn't expect Bly to come in here and knock down every pass, or not to get burned.

Its the era of the WR, corners are at a disadvantage.

[cmhargrove]

Our corners haven't looked dominant this year because of the line. Honestly, we knew the Raiders O-line was very suspect going into this game and we still couldn't generate any consistent pressure. Elvis is always close to the QB, but we rarely have a significant push from the middle, or the other end.

Even if you give Josh McCown 6 seconds to survey a defense, he will be able to throw TD passes. It all starts at the line.

Take your pick this draft, we need O-line stars and D-line stars. That's where our priorities lie. O-line will make Cutler look great, D-line will make our LB's and DB's look much better. Take your pick, but Bly isn't the weak spot.

[Traveler]

Our corners haven't looked dominant this year because of the line. Honestly, we knew the Raiders O-line was very suspect going into this game and we still couldn't generate any consistent pressure. Elvis is always close to the QB, but we rarely have a significant push from the middle, or the other end.

Even if you give Josh McCown 6 seconds to survey a defense, he will be able to throw TD passes. It all starts at the line.

Take your pick this draft, we need O-line stars and D-line stars. That's where our priorities lie. O-line will make Cutler look great, D-line will make our LB's and DB's look much better. Take your pick, but Bly isn't the weak spot.

REP!

[Mediator12]

The biggest problem with this assessment is emotion, just like it was with Darrent. In order to really look at Dre, you have to look at his targets and his plays surrendered in context with the whole defense and pass rush. Some are willing to go there, others are not.

Coverage is supposed to last 4 seconds in the NFL and then its a free for all. Everyone on DEN has suffered from the lack of consistent pressure from the pass rush. This has been the case the last five years. However, the LB's and Secondary are posting the worst completion percentage, worst Yards per pass, and worst third down completion percentage in awhile. They are definitely not performing as well as they did the first four games of the season which is a reaction to having to play the run with eight more and forcing cover 3 and cover 1 man on the CB's.

This scheme exposes the pass coverage more against deep plays and man coverage breaks down after 4 seconds worse than the heavy zone they played last year. They have not been able to find any type of balance for more than a game at a time this year. They have been wildly inconsistent on the season.

Dre is a better player than he has played here in DEN IMHO. The biggest reason for pessimism is that he was supposed to cover the #2 WR here in DEN. As has already been noted though, he has covered the opposing teams #1 WR more often than anticipated. Teams are moving there top WR's away from Champ by design more this year. So, Champ takes naps most of the game and occasionally teams throw at him deep and on double moves with backups as he drops his guard. That leaves Dre covering the #1 WR more often and doing a decent job.

Ultimately, coverage will break down given too much time. All coverages have weaknesses and they grow as the time elapsed to throw increases with it. Teams have found those weaknesses as the season progressed and are now able to exploit them, making the secondary even more vulnerable. Until the pass rush can do its job consistently, expect more of the same from the pass defense overall. Thank goodness they have good CB's or they might be giving up CLE like passing numbers.

[broncofan2438]

He is dissapointing. Much like Henry

[theAPAOps5]

Well then if you are going to criticize Bly you have to blame Champ too. Now don't get me wrong Champ is a stud but he has gotten burnt a ton too.

It all boils down to the normal problem for denver. the DL is not getting pressure fast enough nor are they stopping the run with LB's. This puts the corners in a bad position they have to adjust their stance to make a play for the run and if its a pass they now are not adjusted right in the hips they aren't completely focused and often they are playing catch up. Champ more than Dre has been really limited in his ability due to his role of having to save huge gains by making tackles.

I do have one huge complaint on Dre. Stop trying to strip the ball every time some one throws on you. Get the tackle and stop the play. That just frustrates me sometims.

[Spider]

Kinda hard to hate on bly , when your entire front 7 is playing student body right , student body left defense .....Line backers getting caught up in the wash , and providing little or no pressure ......
Not sure on how to fix it yet , with the people we got ......

[jonny1]

I figured the Bly experiment would go about like this. Said so in the pre-season.

doesn't play the run at all, and thinks way too highly of himself.


That is just not true, heck, against Pittsburgh, he was making all the tackles, with a bum arm, no less.

Bly is not a major problem, the front seven is.

[DBroncos4life]

We have had 8 players in the box since our bye week just to make our run D look avg. We gave up 175 yards on the ground before then and then dropped down to a still piss poor 115 yards per game. So we are lacking so help for our DBs because our front 7 is poor.

[Popps]

That is just not true, heck, against Pittsburgh, he was making all the tackles, with a bum arm, no less.

Bly is not a major problem, the front seven is.

I'm not saying he'll run off the field if someone is coming in his direction. I'm just saying it's not a strong-point. He's no Champ Bailey against the run.

Add to that a hit or miss skill-set with regards to coverage, a big salary and you understand why he got run out of his last couple of cities.

When local fans are cheering a players departure, it's generally not a good sign. There are exceptions, but in this case... we're now starting to see the same sentiment you saw in Detroit, St. Louis, etc.

[Inkana7]

It all starts with the Front 7. Champ has gotten burned more than usual this year too. Look at the NFL today. All the good teams have good to great Front 7s. We have garbage.

[ZONA]

Dre is a solid corner, even Champ has looked mortal this year. But without a pass rush... any pro bowler looks like a 3rd teamer.


Broncos need to fix the up front, the back 4 are fine.

I couldn't agree more. Some people are just stupid. They see a corner get beat and it's his fault. Doesn't matter that the QB had 5 minutes to throw it, looked away the safety help and hit his WR after a double move. Damn, hard enough to try and cover these NFL WR's for 3 or 4 seconds with safety help and a decent pass rush. Now throw in the factor nobody is getting to the QB within 5 seconds and WR's can now throw a double move at ya, damn near impossible to cover that way. Get off Bly's back and start thinking about what the real problem is.............NO PASS RUSH, NO STOP RUN.