I'm thinking about joining the Army.

[Los Broncos]

Things aren't working out for me here and i need work.

I called and talked to them, going down to take a practice test on Thursday.

Any thoughts, comments?

[Bronx33]

join the marines they eat army guys for breakfast

[cutthemdown]

Things aren't working out for me here and i need work.

I called and talked to them, going down to take a practice test on Thursday.

Any thoughts, comments?

Maybe not a bad time to join because they give huge bonuses. By the time you get trained it will be close to a new President so maybe not as many deployments etc. Violence in Iraq is down also.

I'd give it serious thought though Lynchmob. You could have to kill or be killed. Worst you could be maimed or mentally disabled upon return.

I do think there is a huge movement to take better care of soldiers though so the climate may be good to join up. Make sure you get the bonus though otherwise I would wait.

[TailgateNut]

Maybe not a bad time to join because they give huge bonuses. By the time you get trained it will be close to a new President so maybe not as many deployments etc. Violence in Iraq is down also.

I'd give it serious thought though Lynchmob. You could have to kill or be killed. Worst you could be maimed or mentally disabled upon return.

I do think there is a huge movement to take better care of soldiers though so the climate may be good to join up. Make sure you get the bonus though otherwise I would wait.


I would beat my son senseless if he even uttered the word "join" while Bush is in control of this country!

Just my 5 cents!

[Bronx33]

If you do join learn something like electronics ect ect something anything but do not join the infantry, sure you get all the chicks but you can't put i can kill seven differents ways and stomp a mudhole in you on a resume.

[Los Broncos]

If you do join learn something like electronics ect ect something anything but do not join the infantry, sure you get all the chicks but you can't put i can kill seven differents ways and stomp a mudhole in you on a resume.

I have a lot of electronic and computer experience, just looking for a way to get to another level and make a career out of it.

Not looking to join to get more chicks, that will come with time.

I need to do something about my career before its to late.

[Los Broncos]

join the marines they eat army guys for breakfast

I'm pretty sure i can make in the Marines.

But a friend of mine (who is an ex Marine) is pushing me to join the Army.

Says you get a 20k just for joining, don't know if its true.

I'm going down to take a practice test, we will see what happens.

[Los Broncos]

Maybe not a bad time to join because they give huge bonuses. By the time you get trained it will be close to a new President so maybe not as many deployments etc. Violence in Iraq is down also.

I'd give it serious thought though Lynchmob. You could have to kill or be killed. Worst you could be maimed or mentally disabled upon return.

I do think there is a huge movement to take better care of soldiers though so the climate may be good to join up. Make sure you get the bonus though otherwise I would wait.

Ive thought about that, kill or be killed.

Ill have to be ready if that time comes.

[TailgateNut]

I'm pretty sure i can make in the Marines.

But a friend of mine (who is an ex Marine) is pushing me to join the Army.

Says you get a 20k just for joining, don't know if its true.

I'm going down to take a practice test, we will see what happens.


...and why do you think they are offering the incentives. ...I guess at $10000 a limb it's a bargain!

THINK, before you LEAP!

[TailgateNut]

Ive thought about that, kill or be killed.

Ill have to be ready if that time comes.


I don't know you, but I've been shot at, and it will make you think about "why the **** did I join"!

Just head out to the local forest and have a friend fire a few rounds in you vicinity. THEN, if you are still ready, GO FOR IT!

[Spider]

Things aren't working out for me here and i need work.

I called and talked to them, going down to take a practice test on Thursday.

Any thoughts, comments?

man if this is what you want to do , then you have my blessings , no shame in being member of the armed forces .......

[Los Broncos]

...and why do you think they are offering the incentives. ...I guess at $10000 a limb it's a bargain!

THINK, before you LEAP!

That makes sense, ill think long and hard about it.

[Los Broncos]

I don't know you, but I've been shot at, and it will make you think about "why the **** did I join"!

Just head out to the local forest and have a friend fire a few rounds in you vicinity. THEN, if you are still ready, GO FOR IT!

I'm sure it isn't a fun thing being fired at.

But i will consider this if i decide to join.

[Los Broncos]

man if this is what you want to do , then you have my blessings , no shame in being member of the armed forces .......

Thanks man, its not a for sure thing, just want look at my options.

[TailgateNut]

That makes sense, ill think long and hard about it.



Lynchmob, I was very proud to have been in the service, but there are times when I must make it crystal clear that joining the service is the worst moove.
Money will not buy sanity, nor will it restore your maimed body. I've talked to both of my sons about this issue, and it is the first time in my life my opinion regarding service has taken this avenue.

At least in Vietnam the enemy was partially identifiable. In Iraq and possibly Iran, you are fighting an invisible enemy!

Do me a favor and go to a local VFW and talk to a few old timers before you decide!

If you do decide to join, I wish you the best and hope for a healthy stint!

Please don't get me wrong. I salute all my "brothers" currently serving, and those who have given their "all", but not even I would serve under this administration!

[Los Broncos]

Lynchmob, I was very proud to have been in the service, but there are times when I must make it crystal clear that joining the service is the worst moove.
Money will not buy sanity, nor will it restore your maimed body. I've talked to both of my sons about this issue, and it is the first time in my life my opinion regarding service has taken this avenue.

At least in Vietnam the enemy was partially identifiable. In Iraq and possibly Iran, you are fighting an invisible enemy!

Do me a favor and go to a local VFW and talk to a few old timers before you decide!

If you do decide to join, I wish you the best and hope for a healthy stint!

Please don't get me wrong. I salute all my "brothers" currently serving, and those who have given their "all", but not even I would serve under this administration!

Thanks for the tips, means a lot to hear it from someone like you.

I'm talking it over with my family and gf.

But i just want to build something to leave behind for my son and mother.

[Meck77]

Aren't the private contractors still hiring for Iraq? Heck aren't those guys pulling down 100k plus tax free?

[TailgateNut]

Aren't the private contractors still hiring for Iraq? Heck aren't those guys pulling down 100k plus tax free?



Steve, the private "contractors" are hiring, but they are hiring experienced "Hit men/ mercenaries".
Maybe I should go.
Some of the people on this board do get under my skin so bad I bet I could take a few body shots and still be in an attack mode!


Naw, I don't do to well in the heat. Now if we attack antartica, that's more like it!:~ohyah!:

[crawdad]

If you want to get some military experience, join the Air Force. You will get an education and experience that can be translated into some civilian career. My GF is in Afghanistan and is pulling down big bucks but they are also getting shot at and are dodging IED's everyday. Not fun being in the Army.

[Los Broncos]

If you want to get some military experience, join the Air Force. You will get an education and experience that can be translated into some civilian career. My GF is in Afghanistan and is pulling down big bucks but they are also getting shot at and are dodging IED's everyday. Not fun being in the Army.

Scary stuff, the AF treats their people the best.

[ant1999e]

Steve, the private "contractors" are hiring, but they are hiring experienced "Hit men/ mercenaries".
Maybe I should go.
Some of the people on this board do get under my skin so bad I bet I could take a few body shots and still be in an attack mode!


Naw, I don't do to well in the heat. Now if we attack antartica, that's more like it!:~ohyah!:

They're more than "hitmen". Firefighters, power production, etc.

Lynchmob72,
I suggest joining the Air Force. Same pay but you don't get shot at as much. I've been in 12 yrs and love it (sometimes).

[Hogan11]

Air Force or Navy is the way to go and be sure to read the fine print very carefully.

If you do settle on the Army or Marines, then do your best to find something that keeps you in the rear with the gear unless you really want to get out there into the shat. If that is the case, then may God be with you, stay safe and always remember to read the fine print.

I want to see you at future tailgates Lynch....intact.

[That One Guy]

If you're giving consideration at this point to "I could be killed!" then you're looking in the wrong direction. You have to be able to put that out of your mind and do your job if you deploy and if you're caught up excessively on that then you'll be ineffective when the time comes. I'm leaving the military and I can look back and say my deployment was probably one of the best parts of my time in. My issues with the Army are other things that your military friend or I could tell you that you wont really see until you're in.

Oh, and if you haven't physically visited the recruiter yet, make sure your friend is getting the referral money! It's a thousand or two for referring you that the recruiter will take once you go to the station, it's not too late!

[Los Broncos]

Air Force or Navy is the way to go and be sure to read the fine print very carefully.

If you do settle on the Army or Marines, then do your best to find something that keeps you in the rear with the gear unless you really want to get out there into the shat. If that is the case, then may God be with you, stay safe and always remember to read the fine print.

I want to see you at future tailgates Lynch....intact.

I will read everything threw first, thanks.

[Los Broncos]

If you're giving consideration at this point to "I could be killed!" then you're looking in the wrong direction. You have to be able to put that out of your mind and do your job if you deploy and if you're caught up excessively on that then you'll be ineffective when the time comes. I'm leaving the military and I can look back and say my deployment was probably one of the best parts of my time in. My issues with the Army are other things that your military friend or I could tell you that you wont really see until you're in.

Oh, and if you haven't physically visited the recruiter yet, make sure your friend is getting the referral money! It's a thousand or two for referring you that the recruiter will take once you go to the station, it's not too late!

I let him know about the referring, ill make sure and read all the fine print.

[Hotrod]

Go Navy ^5

Whatever you do dont sign **** until they give you a guaranteed job. If you dont you WILL be digging ditches, cleaning toilets....etc...

[Los Broncos]

Go Navy ^5

Whatever you do dont sign **** until they give you a guaranteed job. If you dont you WILL be digging ditches, cleaning toilets....etc...

Right, ill make sure of this.

[Hotrod]

Right, ill make sure of this.

And be careful they are very tricky in this regard. I missed passing the nuclear engineering exam by 2 questions. They talked me into going into the Navy as "undesignated" so I could retake the test after spending some time with nuclear engineers on my ship. Then they proceded to place my ass on a diesel powered POS.......

Be Very Very careful my friend.

[Los Broncos]

And be careful they are very tricky in this regard. I missed passing the nuclear engineering exam by 2 questions. They talked me into going into the Navy as "undesignated" so I could retake the test after spending some time with nuclear engineers on my ship. Then they proceded to place my ass on a diesel powered POS.......

Be Very Very careful my friend.

For sure, im being very careful.

[That One Guy]

I let him know about the referring, ill make sure and read all the fine print.

I should've posted it before but there's the link incase he isn't tracking. He has to go in and put your name in before you go to the station. A lot of folks I know that do it give kickbacks to the recruit for letting the person be the "referrer" and there isn't an issue with splitting the money, both people win. Just don't let the recruiters keep the money, they're dirty.

https://smart.goarmy.com/dana-na/auth/url_6/welcome.cgi

Overall, it's a big decision but like anything there's good and bad to it. Talk to your military buddy and as long as he'll give you legit answers, it'll give you an idea of what you'll deal with. It aint too bad.

[Blueflame]

This is a very big decision you're facing, Lynch... the only advice I'd give is to be absolutely certain this is what you really want to do before signing anything because once you sign your name, your azz pretty much belongs to Uncle Sam. It's one of those things in life that's extremely difficult to change one's mind about later on....

[defenseman]

For sure, im being very careful.

I just PM'ed you. Take the practice test to see where you fall out. Second, they may ask for your signature to do two things, run Police record checks, and pull your High school and college transcripts. That's fine. However, SIGN NOTHING ELSE>>>>>Trust me on that one.........Contact me ASAP dude, I can definitely help you out in ways that will make you some hefty , hefty bonuses and get you what you need.......PM me .....don't forget...dman

*Army recruiters are slick as a whistle. Be up front, ENSURE they understand you will make no decision during the intial interview. You will need time to digest ALL OF THE information.

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=Blueflame;1799374] once you sign your name, your azz belongs to Uncle Sam. QUOTE]


That's the bitter truth!

[defenseman]

And be careful they are very tricky in this regard. I missed passing the nuclear engineering exam by 2 questions. They talked me into going into the Navy as "undesignated" so I could retake the test after spending some time with nuclear engineers on my ship. Then they proceded to place my ass on a diesel powered POS.......

Be Very Very careful my friend.

they hosed you dude......pretty bad. I've been running reactors for the navy for about 25 of the last 29 years. Trust me, it hasn't been easy...dman

[TailgateNut]

...as Dman stated. READ EVERY SINGLE THING! There's no changing your mind! Even though you may enlist for three years, Uncle Sam will own you for 7 or 8!

[defenseman]

...as Dman stated. READ EVERY SINGLE THING! There's no changing your mind! Even though you may enlist for three years, Uncle Sam will own you for 7 or 8!

Nowadays, unlike past tactics, members coming in pretty much have to come in on "delayed entry". Anyone in delayed entry can opt out at any time. However, once you've sworn in on "active duty" vice "delayed entry", you are fully committed. No turning back, short of a general discharge or worse, in addition to an undesirable RE code....dman

*You are correct TGN, even if you only go three years active duty, Uncle sam will own you in a reserve status for an additional 5 years. Army reservists are called up nowadays. Specialty ratings in the navy get an occassional call up, specwar ratings can be force ordered, however that doesn't occur nearly as much as it used to. SEALS are prime targets presently but even they are being allowed to retire/seperate presently..

[Rohirrim]

As a vet, let me share a few words with you. DON'T DO IT! Find any other alternative. You're in hard times now? You'll find harder times in the service. Use your head. What will pay off for you much better in the long term is education. IN ANYTHING! Tough it through the hard times, take whatever job you can get and start taking classes. Start building a foundation. It will be slow and tough, but as you add more bricks the going gets better. In three years or so, you'll find yourself in much better shape with the ability to make more than you are making now. Come out of the service in three years and you'll pretty much be standing where you're standing right now; Having to start from scratch. You've never met a liar until you've met a recruiter. I signed up to be a heavy equipment operator in Germany and ended up humping a 60mm in the ****ing rice paddies. Once you sign on the dotted line, they own your ass. Better think long and hard about it. If it was WWII I'd be right there with you. But now? No reason to go die for some oil company sonofabitch.

[defenseman]

As a vet, let me share a few words with you. DON'T DO IT! Find any other alternative. You're in hard times now? You'll find harder times in the service. Use your head. What will pay off for you much better in the long term is education. IN ANYTHING! Tough it through the hard times, take whatever job you can get and start taking classes. Start building a foundation. It will be slow and tough, but as you add more bricks the going gets better. In three years or so, you'll find yourself in much better shape with the ability to make more than you are making now. Come out of the service in three years and you'll pretty much be standing where you're standing right now; Having to start from scratch. You've never met a liar until you've met a recruiter. I signed up to be a heavy equipment operator in Germany and ended up humping a 60mm in the ****ing rice paddies. Once you sign on the dotted line, they own your ass. Better think long and hard about it. If it was WWII I'd be right there with you. But now? No reason to go die for some oil company sonofab****.

Bad experiences with the army? Not surprising...dman

*Recruiters, quite simply, cannot get away with what they used to ,fortunately for Lynch, if he decides to go in that direction. The army recruiters though, are slick as s**t through a goose that's for damn sure.
How many years ago was it for you?...

[TailgateNut]

Bad experiences with the army? Not surprising...dman

*Recruiters, quite simply, cannot get away with what they used to ,fortunately for Lynch, if he decides to go in that direction. The army recruiters though, are slick as s**t through a goose that's for damn sure.
How many years ago was it for you?...



Aside from being jerked around regarding asignment locations, my experience with the Army was overall positive. BUT, that was in the seventies and early eighties.
7yrs11mo14dys for me. Two broken wing awards were enough!

[defenseman]

Aside from being jerked around regarding asignment locations, my experience with the Army was overall positive. BUT, that was in the seventies and early eighties.
7yrs11mo14dys for me. Two broken wing awards were enough!

I can definitely understand that being enough...dman

[Blueflame]

One other thought re: a job, Lynch... the post office is probably taking applications for temporary holiday help right now. It would only be till Christmas, but it pays well and would give you time to look for something more permanent.

[defenseman]

One other thought re: a job, Lynch... the post office is probably taking applications for temporary holiday help right now. It would only be till Christmas, but it pays well and would give you time to look for something more permanent.

Nothing wrong with the military. It's done right by me for nearly 30 years...dman

*Then again to stay that long at anything, you just gotta really enjoy what you do. I feel pretty fortunate in the long run......

[Hotrod]

they hosed you dude......pretty bad. I've been running reactors for the navy for about 25 of the last 29 years. Trust me, it hasn't been easy...dman

Im still bitter at that asshole recruiter.

My experiance in the Navy overall was good for me. I was a young punk going in and a slightly older punk coming out.....but I did come out a better person overall.

[Blueflame]

Nothing wrong with the military. It's done right by me for nearly 30 years...dman

*Then again to stay that long at anything, you just gotta really enjoy what you do. I feel pretty fortunate in the long run......

No... there's nothing wrong with the military if Lynch is positive that's what he wants to do. But it was my understanding that his reasons for considering it were purely financial, so just wanted to offer another suggestion/option.

[defenseman]

Im still bitter at that a-hole recruiter.

My experiance in the Navy overall was good for me. I was a young punk going in and a slightly older punk coming out.....but I did come out a better person overall.

They needed nondes's quick, so they talked you into it and off you went. I'll tell you that nowadays that doesn't happen. If you missed 'nuke' by a couple of points, they would have attempted to direct you into specwar , intel or possibly SECF. Your line scores must have been really been good for them to have you take the test for nuke. The navy does of good job now of placing the smart guys in the best jobs, so today, you would have not gone in as a non designated striker that's for sure. As long as your experience was overall positive and you got something out of it, it's all good. What sort of "target" did you serve on...dman

[defenseman]

No... there's nothing wrong with the military if Lynch is positive that's what he wants to do. But it was my understanding that his reasons for considering it were purely financial, so just wanted to offer another suggestion/option.

Some of the bonuses today, just to sign up and complete your contracted initial training are up to 40K believe it or not. That's just to come in....and complete the training. I'll agree with you though, if the main reason for looking at the military is dinero, which is not necessarily a bad thing, we all need money and health care at some point, look very very hard before committing. It can be a very unforgiving business on occassion..dman

[Bladerunner]

I can say that I have had a very good experience so far in my military career, I also know many people who have not. I would really need to understand your motivations for wanting to join and your expectations of military service to weigh in meaningfully. Based on what you have said so far, if all you are looking for is a paycheck and an enriched skillset, then the Air Force and Navy have greater opportunities. You will deploy much less and in less dangerous circumstances, have better accomodations, and get to call your bosses by their first name (lol). The Army is offering large bonuses right now, but as large as it seems, $20-40 k isn't all that much in the big picture and is no real reason to commit yourself to something as serious as an enlistment in the military. I myself joined the Marine Corps. I found myself attracted to the challenge, the esprit, and the selfless attitude of the organization. It's not for everyone, but it fits me. The Navy's too fat and undisciplined for me, the Army can't do anything unless it's written out for them in a recipe and they can truck in a city with em. The Air Force despite their inability to do anything inexpensively, however, is the finest para-military organization on earth.

[Spider]

They're more than "hitmen". Firefighters, power production, etc.

Lynchmob72,
I suggest joining the Air Force. Same pay but you don't get shot at as much. I've been in 12 yrs and love it (sometimes).

My uncle on my Moms side retired a Lt.Col from the air force , my Dad was a grunt in the army ... take air force ;D

[Hotrod]

LST 1184 the fast freddie Ha!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/USS_Frederick_LST-1184.jpg/300px-USS_Frederick_LST-1184.jpg

http://www.navybuddies.com/lst/lst1184_5.jpg

Shes now part of the Mexican Navy :nono:

[Rohirrim]

One other note: If you like to eat, join the Air Force. ;D

[Hotrod]

Well Lynch if you join the Navy and someone asks you to run down to engine room #1 and ask for a engineman punch..............dont Ha!

[defenseman]

I can say that I have had a very good experience so far in my military career, I also know many people who have not. I would really need to understand your motivations for wanting to join and your expectations of military service to weigh in meaningfully. Based on what you have said so far, if all you are looking for is a paycheck and an enriched skillset, then the Air Force and Navy have greater opportunities. You will deploy much less and in less dangerous circumstances, have better accomodations, and get to call your bosses by their first name (lol). The Army is offering large bonuses right now, but as large as it seems, $20-40 k isn't all that much in the big picture and is no real reason to commit yourself to something as serious as an enlistment in the military. I myself joined the Marine Corps. I found myself attracted to the challenge, the esprit, and the selfless attitude of the organization. It's not for everyone, but it fits me. The Navy's too fat and undisciplined for me, the Army can't do anything unless it's written out for them in a recipe and they can truck in a city with em. The Air Force despite their inability to do anything inexpensively, however, is the finest para-military organization on earth.

Very similar to reason I've been in submarines for the better part of thirty years or so, an esprit de corps unlike any I've ever encountered. As far as being "fat", the navy has cut down quite abit on that at the CPO level and above. Lots of guys have been tossed to put it mildly. It used to be pretty bad, I'll agree with you there. I'll take navy specwar anyday of the week over anything the airforce has to offer, I'd put marine recon up there quite a bit, not quite to the SEAL level though. Navy EOD are the best in the world at what they do, divers also, haven't seen any group close to their capabilities...dman

*By the way, my youngest son intends on joining the marines, his grandfather was with the marines, I'm thinking 1st division in korea. My oldest is headed into navy specwar in short order. Told my youngest, if you are going to get shot at for a living, go navy specwar or marines, the army is out of the question.

[defenseman]

One other note: If you like to eat, join the Air Force. ;D

I'll stack "submarine" chow up against ANY chow in any service. Man do they feed us good on the boats, you wouldn't believe it..dman

[Blueflame]

Some of the bonuses today, just to sign up and complete your contracted initial training are up to 40K believe it or not. That's just to come in....and complete the training. I'll agree with you though, if the main reason for looking at the military is dinero, which is not necessarily a bad thing, we all need money and health care at some point, look very very hard before committing. It can be a very unforgiving business on occassion..dman

Like most major decisions in life, this one has higher odds of being something Lynch won't regret later on if it's made for the right reasons...

[Los Broncos]

No... there's nothing wrong with the military if Lynch is positive that's what he wants to do. But it was my understanding that his reasons for considering it were purely financial, so just wanted to offer another suggestion/option.

I'm not just wanting to go in and have them hand me a check.

I like to work hard and learn at the same time.

But all this talk of dying, being shot kinda has me on my heels.

I'm just taking it all in now, not to sure if i want to even take the test now.

[Los Broncos]

I just PM'ed you. Take the practice test to see where you fall out. Second, they may ask for your signature to do two things, run Police record checks, and pull your High school and college transcripts. That's fine. However, SIGN NOTHING ELSE>>>>>Trust me on that one.........Contact me ASAP dude, I can definitely help you out in ways that will make you some hefty , hefty bonuses and get you what you need.......PM me .....don't forget...dman

*Army recruiters are slick as a whistle. Be up front, ENSURE they understand you will make no decision during the intial interview. You will need time to digest ALL OF THE information.

I replied, i wont do anything till you respond.

[Los Broncos]

Well Lynch if you join the Navy and someone asks you to run down to engine room #1 and ask for a engineman punch..............dont Ha!

Ohh i wont Hilarious!

[Hotrod]

Ohh i wont Hilarious!

They wait until you've been working 4 on and 4 off for a few days. Then your brain stops working so fast. I actually saw the COD get a kid to run down to the engine room for a bucket of steam once Ha!

[missingnumber7]

Have you talked to National guard guys? I'm on my second deployment and right now they are supposed to be having an additional bonus for signing up guard and volenteering to get deployed. Not a horrible deal. Each state has different stuff. But like has been said on here already, I'd go AF if I had to do it over again. I'm stuck here for 12 months, active duty army is 15, AF is 6. Marines are 7 to 12 depending on the type of unit, and navy is 6. AF gets sub par housing and they live in better cans than we do and we don't get that money.


And TailgateNut, what really makes you reconsider is when you have 10 LBS of explosives go off right under your front tire. But then again, I'm route clearance I'm out there looking for IED's. I have some cool vids that will be declassified when we get home I will share.

[cutthemdown]

I would beat my son senseless if he even uttered the word "join" while Bush is in control of this country!

Just my 5 cents!

Yeah but Bush will be gone in a year. By the time you sign up, go to basic training, Bush will be just about gone.

[Los Broncos]

Have you talked to National guard guys? I'm on my second deployment and right now they are supposed to be having an additional bonus for signing up guard and volenteering to get deployed. Not a horrible deal. Each state has different stuff. But like has been said on here already, I'd go AF if I had to do it over again. I'm stuck here for 12 months, active duty army is 15, AF is 6. Marines are 7 to 12 depending on the type of unit, and navy is 6. AF gets sub par housing and they live in better cans than we do and we don't get that money.


And TailgateNut, what really makes you reconsider is when you have 10 LBS of explosives go off right under your front tire. But then again, I'm route clearance I'm out there looking for IED's. I have some cool vids that will be declassified when we get home I will share.

After reading everyones experiences and advice i may try the AF.

[Los Broncos]

They wait until you've been working 4 on and 4 off for a few days. Then your brain stops working so fast. I actually saw the COD get a kid to run down to the engine room for a bucket of steam once Ha!

:rofl:

[ant1999e]

After reading everyones experiences and advice i may try the AF.

It is truly the way to go. Ratboy just joined. Keep us updated.

[Los Broncos]

It is truly the way to go. Ratboy just joined. Keep us updated.

I will update tomorrow if i do go and take the practice test.

Otherwise i will contact a AF recruiter asap and explore my options.

[defenseman]

They wait until you've been working 4 on and 4 off for a few days. Then your brain stops working so fast. I actually saw the COD get a kid to run down to the engine room for a bucket of steam once Ha!

Quit scaring him....ROFL! ...dman

[defenseman]

I will update tomorrow if i do go and take the practice test.

Otherwise i will contact a AF recruiter asap and explore my options.

I returned your PM. Take note of a few minor comments on the air force...dman

[Los Broncos]

I returned your PM. Take note of a few minor comments on the air force...dman

Done, i replied also.

Ill go tomorrow but wont sign anything till i talk with you and explore everything.

Dam, your like the father i never had.

[defenseman]

Have you talked to National guard guys? I'm on my second deployment and right now they are supposed to be having an additional bonus for signing up guard and volenteering to get deployed. Not a horrible deal. Each state has different stuff. But like has been said on here already, I'd go AF if I had to do it over again. I'm stuck here for 12 months, active duty army is 15, AF is 6. Marines are 7 to 12 depending on the type of unit, and navy is 6. AF gets sub par housing and they live in better cans than we do and we don't get that money.


And TailgateNut, what really makes you reconsider is when you have 10 LBS of explosives go off right under your front tire. But then again, I'm route clearance I'm out there looking for IED's. I have some cool vids that will be declassified when we get home I will share.

Navy is more that 6. Hell, my boat was over there for 10 mos, and that's a boat. Specwar guys can be there for a while...dman

[TailgateNut]

Yeah but Bush will be gone in a year. By the time you sign up, go to basic training, Bush will be just about gone.


Yeah, but, whatever the dumb**** starts, someone has to finish!

[TheChamp247]

I just got out of basic and AIT for the army...personally i love it...im 18 straight out of high school and i grew up in an air force family. ill tell you if u just want to wear the uniform and say u do something go AF. but if you want to work hard and push yourself and actually do something go Army...yea a little rivalry but seriously the AF will not push you, and since they have cut back in their force strength you wont get near the amount of bonus you would with the army

[orinjkrush]

Things aren't working out for me here and i need work.

I called and talked to them, going down to take a practice test on Thursday.

Any thoughts, comments?

fine as long as its the salvation army.

salvation army strong.

[Ratboy]

I'm sure it's been said, but join the Air Force.

[Ratboy]

I've been in the Air Force since May 30th 2006, I love it. I haven't traveled much, but i certainly can say i've been to places i would never go before joining.

Air Force currently deploys for 4 months, they are starting to go 6 months, some can be longer, depending on your job. If you have any questions, ask me.

[Ratboy]

I'm currently in Kuwait for 2 more months! I came here in mid September, and i'm on a 120 day rotation. I'm not saying it's like this for every Airman's deployment.

AF BMT was fun, it was only 6 weeks, but it was a blast. I believe they changed it to 8 weeks. I'm not gonna lie, i HATED Tech School! It was the worst part and i figured i would be leaving the AF when my time was up. After that 3 months was up, I got to Langley AFB, and i slowly started loving the Air Force. I mostly love my job, i'm glad i joined.

What are you looking at doing? I'm a 3C031, which is Computer Operations. Being deployed, I'm a System Adminstrator, back home.. I'm doing Network Protection..

[Ratboy]

One other note: If you like to eat, join the Air Force. ;D


Stay away from the Cheese Fries!

[broncocalijohn]

Scary stuff, the AF treats their people the best.


My brother just got out of the AF last week. It is much easier than being a grunt and you get the experience you seem to be looking for. Serve with pride as we need more who are mature and knowing the situation that is in front of you. My Dad was in the Navy and loved it. I am not sure if it was the easy basic training or going into ports and getting chicks and fighting. You can have your hair longer but i know you already have the hair cut for the Marines. Good Luck on your choice.

[Hogan11]

Again...read the fine print before you do anything.

It cannot be stated enough.

[missingnumber7]

Navy is more that 6. Hell, my boat was over there for 10 mos, and that's a boat. Specwar guys can be there for a while...dman

The Navy land based guys that we are working with are on 6 month orders. There are some EWO guys, and some EOD guys. By far the best of the other branches to work with.

Marines EOD walked up to a 155 MM round in a bomb suit and wanted to disarm it by hand.

AF EOD sleeps when they travel with our patrol...annoys the piss outta this LT.

Navy guys want to ride with us not in their own vehicles.

[24champ]

Yeah, but, whatever the dumb**** starts, someone has to finish!

and it won't be anyone you vote for! ;D

Seriously though I wish you the best of luck Lynch if you do decide to join.:thumbsup:

[Hotrod]

Stay away from the Cheese Fries!

In the Navy we had "fried rice" every night at dinner. It consisted of fried up rice and all the **** that was left over all day long. Like sausage & scrambled eggs from B-fast and mixed veggies from lunch....and whatever that crazy bastard decided went well in there. Anyway a huge ass bowl of that with a couple of large glasses of chocolate milk was great. Although it really did work your bowels over the next day Ha!

[defenseman]

The Navy land based guys that we are working with are on 6 month orders. There are some EWO guys, and some EOD guys. By far the best of the other branches to work with.

Marines EOD walked up to a 155 MM round in a bomb suit and wanted to disarm it by hand.

AF EOD sleeps when they travel with our patrol...annoys the piss outta this LT.

Navy guys want to ride with us not in their own vehicles.

My oldest son just finished his degree and is headed for either Navy SEALS or EOD. We'll have him for christmas and then off he goes. I'm hoping he goes EOD. I believe their training is excellent and extremely marketable in the civilian sector. Their training is extremely long also, very very long. You gotta hedge your bets, if he doesn't make it a career, he needs a marketable skill for the civilian community. An extremely high security clearance doesn't hurt to bad either. That aside, it's what he desires to do, I'm not going to stand in his way...dman

[Bladerunner]

Very similar to reason I've been in submarines for the better part of thirty years or so, an esprit de corps unlike any I've ever encountered. As far as being "fat", the navy has cut down quite abit on that at the CPO level and above. Lots of guys have been tossed to put it mildly. It used to be pretty bad, I'll agree with you there. I'll take navy specwar anyday of the week over anything the airforce has to offer, I'd put marine recon up there quite a bit, not quite to the SEAL level though. Navy EOD are the best in the world at what they do, divers also, haven't seen any group close to their capabilities...dman

*By the way, my youngest son intends on joining the marines, his grandfather was with the marines, I'm thinking 1st division in korea. My oldest is headed into navy specwar in short order. Told my youngest, if you are going to get shot at for a living, go navy specwar or marines, the army is out of the question.

I threw that jab in their for you Navy guys. I was a cross-country runner in high school and college, so the Marine's culture of physical fitness appeals to me a great deal.

I agree with you completely about the Navy SpecWar folks and the other special communities. There are groups of well disciplined hard core folks in every service. I like the Marines because they make every effort to uphold the whole Corps to the same high standard. One bootcamp for all Marines, basic rifleman skills for all Marines. Common physical fitness, marksmanship, swimming, standards for all Marines. Of course there are specializations as well, but for as large as it is, the esprit, discipline, and fitness of the Marine Corps is pretty remarkable. It's not very well funded though....lol

[Hotrod]

Short History of USS FREDERICK:

The Tank Landing Ship FREDERICK was built at National Steel and Shipbuilding Company in San Diego, California. Her keel was laid on April 13, 1968. Launched on March 8, 1969, she was commissioned on April 11, 1970 at Long Beach Naval Shipyard, California.

After commissioning, FREDERICK was homeported in San Diego, Ca. She made over thirteen major deployments to the Western Pacific and Far East. She participated in the Vietnam withdrawal operation in 1970 and the South Vietnam refugee evacuation of 1974. She also deployed in support of operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm. USS FREDERICK was part of the 13 ship amphibious task force that departed on December 1, 1990 for the Persian Gulf in support of Operation Desert Shield. Upon arriving in the Gulf of Oman, FREDERICK along with various amphibious ships from the Atlantic and Pacific Fleets conducted amphibious exercises in preparation for an amphibious landing, if needed, in Kuwait. Upon commencement of Operation Desert Storm, USS FREDERICK and various elements of COMPHIBGRU TWO and COMPHIBGRU THREE headed into the Persian Gulf and conducted one of the greatest mock amphibious invasions in modern warfare. That operation pinned down 15 Iraqi Divisions, thus ensuring a quick and decisive victory for the allied forces. FREDERICK was also involved in the only actual amphibious landing of the Gulf War.

USS FREDERICK also conducted Operation Sea Angel, humanitarian assistance for Bangladesh. In 1994, FREDERICK deployed to Somalia in support of humanitary aid operations.

USS FREDERICK was transferred to the Naval Reserve Force in January 1995 and changed homeport to Pearl Harbor, HI. As the only amphibious ship in Pearl Harbor, she conducted bilateral exercises with South East Asian armed forces, continuous training exercises with the United States Marine Corps's and was on standby to conduct humanitarian assistance / disaster relief missions, throughout the Pacific.


Go FAST FREDDY Woo :strong:

[Los Broncos]

Update,

I scored a 41 on the practice test and i only need a 31 to get in.

He wanted me to go and take the real one tomorrow.

I think im going to take it next week, if i pass then ill make my decision from there.

I would still rather find a decent paying job and not have to join.

[Hotrod]

Update,

I scored a 41 on the practice test and i only need a 31 to get in.

He wanted me to go and take the real one tomorrow.

I think im going to take it next week, if i pass then ill make my decision from there.

I would still rather find a decent paying job and not have to join.

While I liked my time in service and think it was a great thing for me. I'm wondering if its such a hot idea for you. If your "wishing" for something else Im betting you will hate the service.

Have you considered more schooling??? Grants and loans are everywhere you could get into college or a specialty school part time while working.

Im just get the sense your heart is not into the idea and that would make it a major mistake.

[Los Broncos]

While I liked my time in service and think it was a great thing for me. I'm wondering if its such a hot idea for you. If your "wishing" for something else Im betting you will hate the service.

Have you considered more schooling??? Grants and loans are everywhere you could get into college or a specialty school part time while working.

Im just get the sense your heart is not into the idea and that would make it a major mistake.

Good observation, im still trying to find a good paying job in the meantime.

It may be a big mistake if im not feeling it.

[elsid13]

Good observation, im still trying to find a good paying job in the meantime.

It may be a big mistake if im not feeling it.

Yes it is. It is a huge culture change/shock that you're going to experience and if you not "into" it and you really really going hate it. If it is just about money then it probably not the right choice for you. IF you want to part of something bigger, get experience/skills that you never get anywhere else then it you should consider it.

[CBF1]

I just read the first page only.... Have you even considered going back to school and getting a degree??? Atleast in most college settings you will not get shot at or see a suicide bomber. If not a 2 or 4 year school, try a trade school.

[Requiem]

If you're having money problems just sell drugs, it cannot be said enough.

[Los Broncos]

I just read the first page only.... Have you even considered going back to school and getting a degree??? Atleast in most college settings you will not get shot at or see a suicide bomber. If not a 2 or 4 year school, try a trade school.

I'm weighting all my options right now.

I'm leaning towards not joining and just toughing it out.

But i want to do something that will help ME.

At this point i don't feel my heart is in it, i might be doing it all for the wrong reasons.

[Los Broncos]

If you're having money problems just sell drugs, it cannot be said enough.

I wouldn't even consider selling drugs for a second.

[Ratboy]

I'm weighting all my options right now.

I'm leaning towards not joining and just toughing it out.

But i want to do something that will help ME.

At this point i don't feel my heart is in it, i might be doing it all for the wrong reasons.

I didn't join the Air Force for pride and only to serve my country.

I joined for me. I wanted experience in a career field i wanted, which i am getting. I also wanted to travel, i'm currently doing that, and having a blast.

I figured if i wanted my bachelors, it's going to take atleast 4 years, I enlisted for 4 years. A lot of employers would take 4 years experience(also earning my CCAF Degree) over a just graduated kid with a bachelors and no experience.

It's not for everybody.

[Los Broncos]

I didn't join the Air Force for pride and only to serve my country.

I joined for me. I wanted experience in a career field i wanted, which i am getting. I also wanted to travel, i'm currently doing that, and having a blast.

I figured if i wanted my bachelors, it's going to take atleast 4 years, I enlisted for 4 years. A lot of employers would take 4 years experience(also earning my CCAF Degree) over a just graduated kid with a bachelors and no experience.

It's not for everybody.

This i know, i might be doing it all for the wrong reasons.

[Goobzilla]

Good luck in whatever you decide. I was 19 when I joined the Navy. I did 12 years and let me tell you that it was a mixed bag. The one thing I'll always be grateful for is the training they gave me. I was in the nuclear power program just like Dman, but in the surface fleet. When I decided I didn't want to play Navy anymore I started looking for a job and got a great offer so I left. Whatever branch you enter, get a guaranteed job, get the schooling, and be ready to use your talents back in the real world if you decide the service isn't for you after you finish your obligated service. This isn't an easy decision to make at anytime, let alone right now given our military obligations.

[Los Broncos]

Good luck in whatever you decide. I was 19 when I joined the Navy. I did 12 years and let me tell you that it was a mixed bag. The one thing I'll always be grateful for is the training they gave me. I was in the nuclear power program just like Dman, but in the surface fleet. When I decided I didn't want to play Navy anymore I started looking for a job and got a great offer so I left. Whatever branch you enter, get a guaranteed job, get the schooling, and be ready to use your talents back in the real world if you decide the service isn't for you after you finish your obligated service. This isn't an easy decision to make at anytime, let alone right now given our military obligations.

At this point im going to take the test and see how what jobs are offered to me.

Then ill take some time to think it all over.

Id like to just find a good paying job and stay here.

[Goobzilla]

At this point im going to take the test and see how what jobs are offered to me.

Then ill take some time to think it all over.

Id like to just find a good paying job and stay here.

There's no shame in that either. Believe me, when I joined the Navy my reasons weren't all related to patriotism. If I would have had it my way, I never would have left Denver. My dad died when I was 16 and there was no money for college. I was working on a shipping dock making 5 bucks an hour and luckily I realized there has to be something else out there.

[Los Broncos]

There's no shame in that either. Believe me, when I joined the Navy my reasons weren't all related to patriotism. If I would have had it my way, I never would have left Denver. My dad died when I was 16 and there was no money for college. I was working on a shipping dock making 5 bucks an hour and luckily I realized there has to be something else out there.

And with me its about having to start a whole new life some where else.

I have a nine year old son here and a gf that i would be leaving behind.

I just want to make something out of myself before its to late.

I just have to decide if the Army is the right choice.

[Los Broncos]

Quick question, im using a thing called March to success.

Its a way to up your score on the test.

Anyone ever use it?

It has sample questions from the test, most of it i have to learn all over again.

I don't think it can hurt, it may help gain some much needed extra points.

[Requiem]

I wouldn't even consider selling drugs for a second.

You can by a thousand bucks of coke and make that a couple of G's hustlin' for a day. You crazy. YOU CRAZY.

[Los Broncos]

You can by a thousand bucks of coke and make that a couple of G's hustlin' for a day. You crazy. YOU CRAZY.

Someone dislikes me....

[Requiem]

I like you a bunch man, I just think there are better solutions than joining the service. Drug trafficking FTW!

[Los Broncos]

I like you a bunch man, I just think there are better solutions than joining the service. Drug trafficking FTW!

So do i, im just checking it out to see where i stand.

It doesn't mean im going.

[Ratboy]

I'm doing good for myself, better than i would if i hadn't joined.

[Broncojef]

So do i, im just checking it out to see where i stand.

It doesn't mean im going.

Joining The Army was the best thing I ever did. If you are good in electronics or have any aptitude you'll be golden. I think everyone should serve the country at least two years. I would rather be in the military under this administration than one run by Hilary or some other clueless liberal. My two cents, take inventory of your otions but the military can be an awesome experience and great for your future if you get into a technical area. If you go Army try becoming a 98J...

[Dutch]

Hey Lynch,
Just caught this thread this morning. Couple of thoughts. Some things in the military never change. Things that are part of the day in day out BS of the military. However, beware of basing your decision on opinions expressed by those who have not served, and also those who have served in a different era. There are major differences in the military of today and the military of even my era (86-96). Just as "My Marine Corps" is vastly different than my Father's (Korea-Nam), or my Grandfather's (WWII). As for the whole war thing, I had a DI in boot who stated "Gentlemen, if you serve a full 4 year tour...your Marine Corps will see fighting conflict during your enlistment" and he was right. The military isn't just a job, it is a lifestyle. It can be both the most horrible thing you have ever witnesed, and it can also be the most gratifying thing you will ever do, sometimes within the same day. I have absolutely NO regrets about my service time, I am a combat vet, and I have a great career I can thank the Marines for. I always say the best decision I ever made was to join, and the second best decision I ever made was to get out when I did. Good luck on your decision. It is a big one, but if you do it I think you will be glad you did.

Semper Fi,
Dutch

[Los Broncos]

Hey Lynch,
Just caught this thread this morning. Couple of thoughts. Some things in the military never change. Things that are part of the day in day out BS of the military. However, beware of basing your decision on opinions expressed by those who have not served, and also those who have served in a different era. There are major differences in the military of today and the military of even my era (86-96). Just as "My Marine Corps" is vastly different than my Father's (Korea-Nam), or my Grandfather's (WWII). As for the whole war thing, I had a DI in boot who stated "Gentlemen, if you serve a full 4 year tour...your Marine Corps will see fighting conflict during your enlistment" and he was right. The military isn't just a job, it is a lifestyle. It can be both the most horrible thing you have ever witnesed, and it can also be the most gratifying thing you will ever do, sometimes within the same day. I have absolutely NO regrets about my service time, I am a combat vet, and I have a great career I can thank the Marines for. I always say the best decision I ever made was to join, and the second best decision I ever made was to get out when I did. Good luck on your decision. It is a big one, but if you do it I think you will be glad you did.

Semper Fi,
Dutch

Thanks for your input.

I'm thinking long and hard about it, ill know for sure after the first of the year.

[Jana®]

I'm pretty sure i can make in the Marines.

But a friend of mine (who is an ex Marine) is pushing me to join the Army.

Says you get a 20k just for joining, don't know if its true.

I'm going down to take a practice test, we will see what happens.

My friends son joined the Armyin July, but I don't think he got a signing bonus. He graduates from AIT tomorrow. It has great benefits, and pay too. And you're defending our country, what an honor. Good luck, Lynch!

[TDmvp]

friend of mines been in the Navy 7 years ... I would say if i was worried about being boots on the ground Navy is the only safe bet .... i would think the deck of a carrier would be "besides job hazards which are high" pretty damn safe ... he works on f18s .... makes pretty good money and is most likey a lifer...

[Broncoman13]

I'd do it. Don't know if the Air Force is an option for you, but that would be your best bet. Most positions translate to the 'outside' world and the Air Force is widely considered the most business like of the military armed forces.

I went into the Air Force, spent 4 years on active duty and then 6 years in the ANG making about $45k a year. I then moved on to the DoD working a number of different programs making about $55k a year. Now I'm in Denver working all kinds of programs, and making a good chunk more than ever before. Plus I get to travel to places like SD, Harlingen, Palm Beach, and St. Pete regularly. It's worked out quite well for me and my family. I'll never get rich (until retirement!) but I make enough to enjoy life. Fishing, boating, skiing, Broncos football and the like are all within reach whenever I'd like now. And, my wife is able to stay home with my kids. You'll never get rich in the Gov, but you have a job for life if you play your cards right.

How old are you?

[Los Broncos]

I'm 35..

[Broncoman13]

I won't lie bro, that would be a tough age to come in at. For no other reason than being treated like a teenager like every other Airman/private/seaman/etc. Still, the training is great and the future is well worth the hit up front. Look into a local ANG unit, that might fit you a little better.

[theAPAOps5]

Seriously look into the ANG. You get paid for basic, can learn a trade, and serve your country when needed.

I know you have been looking for a job for a while have you thought about a trade like an electrician, carpenter, plumber, pipe fitter. There is lots of opportunity in the trades because people just don't go into it anymore. Lots of money to be made too when you get certified.

[Broncoman13]

Seriously look into the ANG. You get paid for basic, can learn a trade, and serve your country when needed.

I know you have been looking for a job for a while have you thought about a trade like an electrician, carpenter, plumber, pipe fitter. There is lots of opportunity in the trades because people just don't go into it anymore. Lots of money to be made too when you get certified.

How's work been for you dude? Still at the airport?

[theAPAOps5]

I am at DIA now, I left Centennial last October. Work is great, with snow tons of overtime so I have paid off a lot of debt. Plus there are some openings in my department so with the open lines in the rotation I work at least an extra day or two a week. Since we work a rotation we work 4 10 hour shifts with 3 days off. So if you pick up OT you still get a normal weekend.

Thanks for asking Oskie!

[Meck77]

Could be some jobs here. This is a pretty big deal.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/22/big-deal-on-road-ahead/

[watermock]

Seriously look into the ANG. You get paid for basic, can learn a trade, and serve your country when needed.

I know you have been looking for a job for a while have you thought about a trade like an electrician, carpenter, plumber, pipe fitter. There is lots of opportunity in the trades because people just don't go into it anymore. Lots of money to be made too when you get certified.

30 years ago young men got together to work on their cars...now they are a bunch of metrosexual pencil tappers or keyboard dancers.

This country has an urgent need for trade peple, who often make more than people think. If your going into the armed sevice...the infantry is the last place on the planet.

[TailgateNut]

30 years ago young men got together to work on their cars...now they are a bunch of metrosexual pencil tappers or keyboard dancers.

This country has an urgent need for trade peple, who often make more than people think. If your going into the armed sevice...the infantry is the last place on the planet.


Damn, the Mock is BAAAACK.

Back to business. I agree with the trades people take. I give my left arm and half a nut for qualified trades. The amount of morons I encounter on projects is unbelievable.

[theAPAOps5]

30 years ago young men got together to work on their cars...now they are a bunch of metrosexual pencil tappers or keyboard dancers.

This country has an urgent need for trade peple, who often make more than people think. If your going into the armed sevice...the infantry is the last place on the planet.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the mane, MOCK IS BACK!

[CBF1]

Ladies and Gentlemen of the mane, MOCK IS BACK!

Who is this Mock guy???