It's time... Sign Bill Cowher.

[fatcard]

Shanahan has been in charge for over ten seasons....

If he hadn't inherited one of the greatest offenses in NFL history in the mid 90's, he would have very little to celebrate in his coaching career aside from a pretty good record running the football. Since 1999 his record rivals that of stalwarts like shottenheimer and Billick, one of which was fired after a 14-2 season, and the other is about to be fired.

Sooner or later the coach needs to take responsibility for his teams performance. Shanahan seems to be in a position of luxury in that regard, and is always capable of putting the blame on someone else.

I've never had a bad word to say about him as a coach until now... However, I think it's in the best interests of the denver fans that he resigns after this season.

Bring on Bill Cowher!

[jmz313]

I think that a move shanny will not make. Not sure if it's his ego or the fact that he likes being a coach and won't fire himself.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Do not Bring Cowher. I am not ready to give up on Shanahan, and Cowher would ground Cutler and Marshall and set him back on his development

[fatcard]

Do not Bring Cowher. I am not ready to give up on Shanahan, and Cowher would ground Cutler and Marshall and set him back on his development

So who would you rather have than Shanahan? Maybe Gruden?

[socalorado]

So who would you rather have than Shanahan? Maybe Gruden?

Gruden would be fantastic! This team NEEDS a KICK IN THE ASS!
I think Shenanigans is trying too hard to get into Canton and this tunnel vision has caused him to just flat out fall apart.
I think Shanny thinks if he can just win one more SB, then he will have enough ammo to be considered being enshrined and that is why he trys the "win it all in one season BS."
Is Gruden still rumored to be leaving TB??

[no-pseudo-fan]

So who would you rather have than Shanahan? Maybe Gruden?

I think that if we ever decide to go in another coaching direction, that we go with the Pittsburgh model. A young exciting coach. Don't want a coach that goes from team to team. No Gruden. No Parcells. No old guard.

That being said. Mike is going to be the coach until he does want to be. He still burns to win a Super Bowl. He just needs to get some young blood in the coaching staff. New ideas. Different spins on old ideas. Retro playcalling with a new age look.

[toad]

Bill Callahan for OC, anyone?

[Wes Mantooth]

Retarted threads continue to pop up.

[backup qb]

Hey moron. Shanahan built the offense. He brought in Schlereth, TD, Eddie Mac, Rod, Tony Jones, Griffith, etc. In fact, he built the defense too. How quickly we forget the facts in order to help our argument. No way do I want Cowher.

[Crushaholic]

Shanahan will be in Denver as long as he wishes. There are very few coaches in the NFL who can keep a team competitive year in and year out. Shanahan has done that over a span of 12+ years, with VERY few exceptions...

[fatcard]

Retarted threads continue to pop up.


Ha. But in all seriousness... Oakland has been to more superbowls in the past 8 years than Denver.

If Denver doesn't make the playoffs next season Shanahan will be fired. Unless the fans continue to blame everyone but him.

Just like a new QB, a new coach will spark a team to bigger and better things. Have a look whats going on in Green Bay, Dallas and Cleveland...

[rugbythug]

How people can look at this young exciting team that is just barely begining to scratch its potential and think we need to fire the coach is beyond me. I think we are looking at a team that could be as dominant as the cowboys were in the 90's in 2 more years.

[TheReverend]

Ha. But in all seriousness... Oakland has been to more superbowls in the past 8 years than Denver.
If Denver doesn't make the playoffs next season Shanahan will be fired. Unless the fans continue to blame everyone but him.

Just like a new QB, a new coach will spark a team to bigger and better things. Have a look whats going on in Green Bay, Dallas and Cleveland...

Way to cherry pick your seasons.

[Hogan11]

Somehow, I don't think Cowher will come out of retirement for just a DC job.

If it's not to replace Bates, then El Passo.

[rugbythug]

Ha. But in all seriousness... Oakland has been to more superbowls in the past 8 years than Denver.

If Denver doesn't make the playoffs next season Shanahan will be fired. Unless the fans continue to blame everyone but him.

Just like a new QB, a new coach will spark a team to bigger and better things. Have a look whats going on in Green Bay, Dallas and Cleveland...
Cleveland's Coach is in his 3rd year. The last two were top 5 pick seasons.
Dallas's new coach is Wade Phillips, I watched him coach already. Mike Pritchard need I say more.
Green Bay looks good. Although If I remember right they need overtime to beat us. And we have gotten much better since that game.

[Broncobuddy7]

Retarted threads continue to pop up.

Completely agree!

[fatcard]

At some point the coach must be accountable. Simple as that.

[Ratboy]

You know, I rather keep Shanahan right now. I am afraid a new coach would step in here and ruin Cutler's progression. Shanahan just needs to altar is game plan for Cutler, and start airing it out.

We need a big offensive line, Cutler needs time and our small lineman will not do that. Walker returning to full health will make this offense explode. Walker, Marshall, Stokely, Scheffler. That's 4 reliable targets to throw to.

300 rushes - 348 passes

Shanahan needs to pass more, Cutler needs to pass more.

[Ratboy]

What has Bill Cowher done with a QB? Screw that. I don't want to stay a running team, I would love to our offense look like Manning's and Brady's.

We need a great offensive coordinator to benefit the pass (Mike Martz) and a mean Defensive Coordinator.

[fatcard]

Way to cherry pick your seasons.

Its all there in the fine print :)

But seriously... I have loved shanahan, but I'm no relation. I'm not saying he's not a great coach, in fact I think he'll make the HOF based on his running system alone, but at some point a change must be made.

Pat Bowlen is no fool. If Denver plays out a losing season and ticket sales slip, shanahan will be gone. It maybe...just maybe mind you... a good thing.

[sirhcyennek81]

Shanahan has been in charge for over ten seasons....

If he hadn't inherited one of the greatest offenses in NFL history in the mid 90's, he would have very little to celebrate in his coaching career aside from a pretty good record running the football. Since 1999 his record rivals that of stalwarts like shottenheimer and Billick, one of which was fired after a 14-2 season, and the other is about to be fired.

Sooner or later the coach needs to take responsibility for his teams performance. Shanahan seems to be in a position of luxury in that regard, and is always capable of putting the blame on someone else.

I've never had a bad word to say about him as a coach until now... However, I think it's in the best interests of the denver fans that he resigns after this season.

Bring on Bill Cowher!


Yeah...because Cowher would be so much better...do you think at all before you speak or is it some type of brain malformation you have?

:Broncos:

[fatcard]

Yeah...because Cowher would be so much better...do you think at all before you speak or is it some type of brain malformation you have?

:Broncos:


A change is as good as a holiday :)

[TheReverend]

Its all there in the fine print :)

But seriously... I have loved shanahan, but I'm no relation. I'm not saying he's not a great coach, in fact I think he'll make the HOF based on his running system alone, but at some point a change must be made.

Pat Bowlen is no fool. If Denver plays out a losing season and ticket sales slip, shanahan will be gone. It maybe...just maybe mind you... a good thing.

And cutting loose a headcoach with 1 losing season in over a decade, and a team that will finish .500 or above this year in a massive transition year, wouldn't be foolish?

[Mediator12]

Shanahan has been in charge for over ten seasons....

If he hadn't inherited one of the greatest offenses in NFL history in the mid 90's, he would have very little to celebrate in his coaching career aside from a pretty good record running the football. Since 1999 his record rivals that of stalwarts like shottenheimer and Billick, one of which was fired after a 14-2 season, and the other is about to be fired.

Sooner or later the coach needs to take responsibility for his teams performance. Shanahan seems to be in a position of luxury in that regard, and is always capable of putting the blame on someone else.

I've never had a bad word to say about him as a coach until now... However, I think it's in the best interests of the denver fans that he resigns after this season.

Bring on Bill Cowher!

Why are you so quick to make this one sided? Your argument is a poor reflection of Shanahan and his coaching. Totally one sided set up.

DEN is 1 game below .500 at this point, and has been below .500 only one season in Mike's 13 seasons in DEN. No other HC comes even close over that amount of time.

This is more extremely reactionary posting brought on by not being able to handle ANY adversity in particular. This team has lost 17 starters from last years team for at least most of the year. Its depth has been tested due to injury and attrition. Most teams with this much adversity would be 3-8 or worse right now. To be one game back in the weak division and have control over your destiny at this point is accountable enough to me.

I just do not see how people can hold him accountable with that much out of his control. Everyone wants to see a good consistent football team right now, but that is a preposterous expectation at this point. Just being competitive and not having another Lions debacle is where I am at right now. One step at a time and keep moving forward while developing a lot of young inexperienced players is all I think anyone can ask at this point. This team was never a Championship caliber group this year, unlike SD.

[Rohirrim]

Cowher? What do you have against the Broncos players that you want to bring in some guy to spit all over them? ;D

[Orange_Beard]

Can he play linebacker?

[RaiderH8r]

The last thing a promising young squad needs is uncertainty in the HC. I live in DC and have witnessed the havoc that constant hiring and firing of HCs can wreak on a team. I revel in it here, I fear it in Denver. I think Shanny's as good of an X's and O's guy as there is in the league, but our squad has consistantly been competitive and, as such, been relegated to the back half of draft order for the past 10 years, more or less. We've missed on a number of draft opportunities for sure. So we've had to address stop gap measures with high priced free agents that have consistantly underperformed. Denver's never truly had a rebuilding season where we tank out and go 4-12 for the high pick. I think that's a credit to Shanny, especially in the NFL where player turn over is so high. Our success is not common. Chiefs fans would kill for our consistant success. I give Shanny a 4 year pass. Besides, I think he's the best coach to bring along Cutler. His offense is well balanced and perfectly suited for Jay. Patience Luke, patience.

[Atwater His Ass]

Bill freaking Cowher? No thanks.

[yerner]

Cowher is so overrated. He win's one superbowl after years of head coaching and he's the best ever. Give it a rest. If Shanny goes I willing to bet they hire someone much younger.

[Hotrod]

I think this thread is proof that retardisum is spread thru the internet.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

The tard is strong with this thread

[Orange_Beard]

May the Tard be with you. Use the Tard Luke....

[Jesterhole]

Idiot.

Shanahan is one of the top coaches in the NFL, has been for a long time. He has an average track record as a GM, so if you want to knock him, do it for that.

However, he seems to have hit gold recently, we seem to have a few mega stars in the making, and as Jay enters his 3rd and 4th season, we're going to see a huge Super Bowl window open up that has been closed since John left.

[Northman]

Somehow, I don't think Cowher will come out of retirement for just a DC job.

If it's not to replace Bates, then El Passo.


LOL

That was my first thought as well. I would take him as DC anyday and only as HC if Shanny retired. Until then, its Shanny's job.

[defenseman]

Shanahan will be in Denver as long as he wishes. There are very few coaches in the NFL who can keep a team competitive year in and year out. Shanahan has done that over a span of 12+ years, with VERY few exceptions...

I would not consider them competitive this year, would you?...dman

[defenseman]

Idiot.

Shanahan is one of the top coaches in the NFL, has been for a long time. He has an average track record as a GM, so if you want to knock him, do it for that.

However, he seems to have hit gold recently, we seem to have a few mega stars in the making, and as Jay enters his 3rd and 4th season, we're going to see a huge Super Bowl window open up that has been closed since John left.

He's been doing the "bold" ever since elway left, never quite getting there though, always missing a piece or two, never finding them since. Should say something for what was in place when he was initially hired on...dman

[cmhargrove]

I agree with the sentiment that there is a lot of "tard" in this thread.

We are a completely re-worked team this year. We have (potentially) one of the best young QB's in the NFL (of the next decade?). He is already showing flashes of greatness. Shanahan picked him, Shanahan is developing him. We have four new starters on O-line and they are starting to look pretty damn good. That means potentially years of protection for our new star QB and RB's. Several of our top offensive performers are in their first or second year in the league. We are now scoring over 30 points a game (last few games) and it looks like we could score even more if we cut out some stupid mistakes (many by our growing QB).

The defense is a relative shambles, but they continue to fight, and there are some bright spots (especially young guys).

ST sucks, but at least they were starting to improve before Chicago.

Why do you keep calling for Shanahan, that's just dumb. Most of the other head coaches don't have half the balls he does to go after players in the offseason (boom or bust). Sometimes is comes back to haunt him, but I will take a coach with balls (and mistakes) over crap like KC. He makes trades, he signs guys, he tries old vets and undrafted rookies. You can't be perfect numbskull, especially when you typically draft low every year because of your team's relative success.

Keep Shanahan, his legacy is now tied to that of Jay Cutler. He needs to see that through. He deserves that. Start to judge him next year if we don't win our division. I will be really surprised if we aren't serious contenders by the end of next year. Those calling for Shanahan's head will be apologizing, as usual...

[PLOWHORSE]

If someone makes a shoestring tackle on a certain Bears return man last week, this thread never sees the light of day.

TARD!

[Bronx33]

We don't need a water boy with a underbite insurance won't allow it.

[Kaylore]

I just Tarded...

[Dukes]

Isn't Herm Edwards going to be available next year? Yea, that would be a great idea! :hitself:

Take you circle jerk over to fireshanahan.com where it might matter.

Another thing to think about, how do long you think Shanny would remain on the open market if Bowlen cut him loose? Less than 2 hrs I suspect.

[smalltowngrll]

Why are you so quick to make this one sided? Your argument is a poor reflection of Shanahan and his coaching. Totally one sided set up.

DEN is 1 game below .500 at this point, and has been below .500 only one season in Mike's 13 seasons in DEN. No other HC comes even close over that amount of time.

This is more extremely reactionary posting brought on by not being able to handle ANY adversity in particular. This team has lost 17 starters from last years team for at least most of the year. Its depth has been tested due to injury and attrition. Most teams with this much adversity would be 3-8 or worse right now. To be one game back in the weak division and have control over your destiny at this point is accountable enough to me.

I just do not see how people can hold him accountable with that much out of his control. Everyone wants to see a good consistent football team right now, but that is a preposterous expectation at this point. Just being competitive and not having another Lions debacle is where I am at right now. One step at a time and keep moving forward while developing a lot of young inexperienced players is all I think anyone can ask at this point. This team was never a Championship caliber group this year, unlike SD.


FINALLY some wisdom and grounded TRUTH! Think about ALL of it, folks, before you hastilly react!

[BroncoSoja]

At some point the coach must be accountable. Simple as that.


Not on this site, you forgot this is the OrangeMane home of the Shanny Broncos.

How one man can remain out of the fire so much with so much failure around him is beyond me. If he doesn't atleast leave, Bowlen needs to grab his nuts and take the GM position away from him. And I don't want to here that crap about "We have a GM", thats not a GM thats a muppet with Shannys hand up his....

[ColoradoDarin]

duuurrrrrpp, I had a tard sammich for lunch with a side of idiot!

[Dukes]

If he doesn't atleast leave, Bowlen needs to grab his nuts and take the GM position away from him. And I don't want to here that crap about "We have a GM", thats not a GM thats a muppet with Shannys hand up his....

That is one statement I think any reasonable Bronco fan would agree with. Shanny needs to concentrate on the Offense, not personel management.

[ColoradoDarin]

Not on this site, you forgot this is the OrangeMane home of the Shanny Broncos.

How one man can remain out of the fire so much with so much failure around him is beyond me. If he doesn't atleast leave, Bowlen needs to grab his nuts and take the GM position away from him. And I don't want to here that crap about "We have a GM", thats not a GM thats a muppet with Shannys hand up his....

How about we've seen how far this team has come this year? How the offense is starting to gel? How the rookies and Elvis are getting better week after week on defense? How special teams (despite the Bears game) has improved overall? Is everything perfect? Heck no! Do we need some additional pieces - especially on D? Absolutely (and throw in an OL or 2).

After the San Diego game this team could have packed it in the rest of the season. They didn't. I don't really expect us to make the playoffs, but given the growth this year, Shanahan should at the very least get another season to put it all together again. This team is FUN to watch again, yeah they'll go and honk one here and there, it's part of getting experience in the NFL. I'd rather be in our situation that any other non-playoff team.

[orinjkrush]

Shanny has proven to be a great OC. Can't pick a DC or an ST to save his life though.

[smalltowngrll]

Funny that everyone says that Shanny must be accountable! Accountable to who? I'd say that those that he is required to be accountable to, he IS accountable to.

In all seriousness, the only person that I'm required to be 'accountable' to in my job is the one that I report to on a daily basis...my boss! Last time I checked, I don't think that there was anyone here that has power to fire Shanny...so, really, he's not accountable to any of us!

His track record is enough for me to trust him at this point. I may not always agree with him, but I'll just have to deal with it until they day that they make me head coach! ;) ;D ok, just kidding...but, you get what I'm saying!

[24champ]

For the threadstarter...

http://coolmusic.no.sapo.pt/private/retard.jpg

[Spider]

Sign Bill Cowher ? How Much would it cost to put spit guards in every public place in Denver ?

[elsid13]

I really am starting to believe we need to have some type of test before we allow folks to start threads on board. This is become almost as bad as the offical message board or ESPIN ones.

[Bronx33]

Sthuferin! sucatach!
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4363/sylvesterdu0.jpg

[cutthemdown]

I'm for firing Shanny if we could get a coach like Cowher, Parcells or some other big name coach that equals Shanny in name and stature.

I think part of the problem is that when Broncos draft there isn't one guy in charge of it. Of course Shanny has final say but you hear a lot of stories about players the other coaches really talked about that got drafted.

Gibbs and Willie Middlebrooks
Sundquist and Quentin Grifith

Now I realize I can only recall those two at the time and that's not much but I don't think Shanny is the Ogre of the Draft and FA like people think. I think the reason coaches stay with him a long time is that he does listen to them and let them make some decisions.

I still think Shannies plays work. The reason we lose is because the players don't execute.

[cutthemdown]

Sign Bill Cowher ? How Much would it cost to put spit guards in every public place in Denver ?

Denver has some left from when Romo was in town.

[Goobzilla]

I can't believe Matt the fireshanahan.com guy hasn't chimed in on this one yet. Is he banned or something?

[Bronx33]

Look at the numbers the coaches are basically the same (no gain IMO)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pitindex.htm

149-90

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/denindex.htm

138-81

[Bronco LB 59]

fatcard

Stick to Australian Rules Football, dumbass.

[Spider]

Denver has some left from when Romo was in town.

LOL , I forgot the JJ stokes thing

[Taco John]

If he hadn't inherited one of the greatest offenses in NFL history in the mid 90's...



Good God... Shouldn't people first at least know what they're talking about before they start making decisions for the team?

This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Were you even a Broncos fan back then? I find it hard to believe that you were. I was, and thus, I know how silly that statement actually is.

[TDmvp]

Shanahan will be in Denver as long as he wishes. There are very few coaches in the NFL who can keep a team competitive year in and year out. Shanahan has done that over a span of 12+ years, with VERY few exceptions...

:thumbs:

i live in cincinnati nuff said ....

[Spider]

Good God... Shouldn't people first at least know what they're talking about before they start making decisions for the team?

This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Were you even a Broncos fan back then? I find it hard to believe that you were. I was, and thus, I know how silly that statement actually is.

What ? you mean losing to the Bill ins the AFCC Game 10-7 wasnt an offensive display ? :D

[Kaylore]

Good God... Shouldn't people first at least know what they're talking about before they start making decisions for the team?

This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Were you even a Broncos fan back then? I find it hard to believe that you were. I was, and thus, I know how silly that statement actually is.

Dude he's probably 15 years old which would make him 8 when Shanahan took over. He's got no clue.

[Bronx33]

Good God... Shouldn't people first at least know what they're talking about before they start making decisions for the team?

This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. Were you even a Broncos fan back then? I find it hard to believe that you were. I was, and thus, I know how f***** stupid that statement actually is.



fixed, being around that kid has effected you man.

[Jason in LA]

The mid 90s Broncos had one of the greatest offenses of all time? That's pretty funny.

[BroncoSoja]

How about we've seen how far this team has come this year? How the offense is starting to gel? How the rookies and Elvis are getting better week after week on defense? How special teams (despite the Bears game) has improved overall? Is everything perfect? Heck no! Do we need some additional pieces - especially on D? Absolutely (and throw in an OL or 2).

After the San Diego game this team could have packed it in the rest of the season. They didn't. I don't really expect us to make the playoffs, but given the growth this year, Shanahan should at the very least get another season to put it all together again. This team is FUN to watch again, yeah they'll go and honk one here and there, it's part of getting experience in the NFL. I'd rather be in our situation that any other non-playoff team.

Growth this year? Are you serious? This Defense has taken a nose dive this year or have you forgotten about that? Special teams is just as bad as it has been in years past and the coach's coaching it are probably as retarded (Example kicking to Hester like we kicked to freaking DANTE HALL). So what they had two good games back to back, how many back games did they have back to back to back to back.

Shannahan continues to blow everyone's mind with his conservative playcalling at the end of games hell even in the middle and beggining. Like I and others have said before we should have stepped on the gas and never let up once we had them by the throats...Hell Cutler said it himself earlier in the year, when he said "Hey I don't call the plays I just run them"...

I'm hoping he packs his bags and decided to take a break from football. But best case scenario is that we pull the plug like we did with Reeves. Atleast he was able to take us to the Superbowl even though he blew it out his bung whole. He still proved he was a damn good coach though by taking the horrible Falcons to the promise land. Shanny-hand on the other hand was sent to the employment line is his othe stint as a Head Coach.

Bottom line is that he needs to hit the bricks, but im not saying Cowyer is the answer either. I think we should give the Cowboys Offensive Coordinator the controls here and watch as Cutler lights up the league behind that guy.

[TDmvp]

I really am starting to believe we need to have some type of test before we allow folks to start threads on board. This is become almost as bad as the offical message board or ESPIN ones.

rep

[Spider]

Growth this year? Are you serious? This Defense has taken a nose dive this year or have you forgotten about that? Special teams is just as bad as it has been in years past and the coach's coaching it are probably as retarded (Example kicking to Hester like we kicked to freaking DANTE HALL). So what they had two good games back to back, how many back games did they have back to back to back to back.

Shannahan continues to blow everyone's mind with his conservative playcalling at the end of games hell even in the middle and beggining. Like I and others have said before we should have stepped on the gas and never let up once we had them by the throats...Hell Cutler said it himself earlier in the year, when he said "Hey I don't call the plays I just run them"...

I'm hoping he packs his bags and decided to take a break from football. But best case scenario is that we pull the plug like we did with Reeves. Atleast he was able to take us to the Superbowl even though he blew it out his bung whole. He still proved he was a damn good coach though by taking the horrible Falcons to the promise land. Shanny-hand on the other hand was sent to the employment line is his othe stint as a Head Coach.

Bottom line is that he needs to hit the bricks, but im not saying Cowyer is the answer either. I think we should give the Cowboys Offensive Coordinator the controls here and watch as Cutler lights up the league behind that guy.

so I take it you are in Favor of letting the Mastermind go ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah, that's a great idea.

Let's get rid of the best coach in franchise history and bring in someone with a much inferior resume.

[ColoradoDarin]

Growth this year? Are you serious? This Defense has taken a nose dive this year or have you forgotten about that? Special teams is just as bad as it has been in years past and the coach's coaching it are probably as retarded (Example kicking to Hester like we kicked to freaking DANTE HALL). So what they had two good games back to back, how many back games did they have back to back to back to back.

Shannahan continues to blow everyone's mind with his conservative playcalling at the end of games hell even in the middle and beggining. Like I and others have said before we should have stepped on the gas and never let up once we had them by the throats...Hell Cutler said it himself earlier in the year, when he said "Hey I don't call the plays I just run them"...

I'm hoping he packs his bags and decided to take a break from football. But best case scenario is that we pull the plug like we did with Reeves. Atleast he was able to take us to the Superbowl even though he blew it out his bung whole. He still proved he was a damn good coach though by taking the horrible Falcons to the promise land. Shanny-hand on the other hand was sent to the employment line is his othe stint as a Head Coach.

Bottom line is that he needs to hit the bricks, but im not saying Cowyer is the answer either. I think we should give the Cowboys Offensive Coordinator the controls here and watch as Cutler lights up the league behind that guy.

Our defense didn't nose dive this year, you must have missed the 2nd half of last year (you know, where we were scoring more points on offense yet somehow still losing)? And if it weren't for Champ's interceptions our defense at the beginning of last year wouldn't have been nearly so great either. Shanahan's not allowed any time to get Thomas & Crowder adjusted to the NFL? To somehow find Ian Gold's picture stash? For Moss to get healthy? Elvis to continue his growth?

How many different starters do we have this year from last? How many injuries?

I do like that somehow you know better than a guy who has coached 2 Hall of Fame quarterbacks on how to bring a new guy along. BTW Cutler is 9th in the league in QB rating, not bad for a guy who has barely one season under his belt. Sure there have been some inconsistent play, what do you expect from a 2nd year guy when it is acknowledged that it takes 3 years to learn this offense? Our offense just put up 30+ points against the defending NFC champions after putting 34 up on Ten and 27 on KC. We're putting more TDs on the board and settling for fewer FGs than we did at the beginning of the year.

We have a new special team coach this year, arguably the best ST coach in the league, and he's not allowed time to get his squad right??

We've taken a few steps forward and a couple back, but we're moving in the right direction. As I've already said, this isn't a playoff team this year, and there are things to work on.

How spoiled Broncos fans have become!!!

[theAPAOps5]

I can't believe there are this many retarded fans on one site.

[Drek]

Lot of people seem to forget that Shanahan also earned this:

http://www.sportspool.com/football/super_bowl/Superbowl_XXIX_ring.jpg

Guy owns three SB rings from a five year period. Thats seriously ****ing impressive. He's also been an offensive guru in this league longer than most of you whiners have been able to get a hard on.

Firing Shanahan is a great way to set this organization back about 5 years minimum, and that's if his replacement is pretty good.

We've nearly completely turned over the defensive coaching staff this year, completely changed the defensive system, and we have only had one off-season to go shopping for parts, one without a lot of buyable talent out there.

We're doing the same thing on special teams too, bringing in a new coach who has actually shaken things up (or have you all totally forgotten that Martinez is actually looking like a decent returner?) He just needs more athletes on the coverage unit and a punter who doesn't have an ego the size of his biceps. We've all heard Sauerbrun talk, does anyone really think he didn't tell Shanahan and O'Brien that he wanted to go after Hester, that he's got the leg to handle it? I'd bet he did, but his leg didn't perform (thats what happens when he doesn't get his 'roids).

Meanwhile the offense is starting to click better than it has in nearly a decade. This isn't the time to can Shanahan, or Heimerdinger or Bates for that matter. Its time to roll with the punches as the hot and cold team that we are this year and look forward to the upgrades we can make for next year, with many more experienced young guys on the roster.

You give Bates the kind of DTs and linebackers he wants in his system, get O'Brien the athletes he wants for his special teams unit (which should coincide very well with Bates' desires at DE and LB), and give this young offense another season to grow into their britches and see where we're at then. We'll have a defense that punches quarterbacks in the mouth and an offense that'll torch anyone.

Then all you bitches will be back here talking about "Shanahan the Mastermind". Just make sure you fess up to being a little bitch before you polish his knob too much.

[Rigs11]

I say we bring in Kubiak!8')

[Popps]

Good God... Shouldn't people first at least know what they're talking about before they start making decisions for the team?
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Only if you want the board's traffic to drop to a third of what it is now.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Only if you want the board's traffic to drop to a third of what it is now.

Zing.

That's still a high number, Popps. You saw this board last season.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Dude he's probably 15 years old which would make him 8 when Shanahan took over. He's got no clue.

Math is are friend.

[Popps]

As for the topic, I always have to qualify that I'm a Shanahan supporter so Message-board-guy doesn't go ape on me.

That said, most of the defense I see for Shanahan seems to be based on past success. I buy into that to a large degree, but it doesn't exempt him from criticism.

We've just done a lot of things wrong, mixed with some plain old bad luck. I've thought for some time that Shanahan needed to bring in a real defensive mind with some clout so he can get his hands off of the defense a bit. Well, he did... and that didn't seem to work either. But, some of that is obviously the players. Our D-line is horrible and our best linebacker is DJ Williams, which is hard to imagine. (Playing out of position, no less.)

One thing his critics need to remember is that we played in an AFC Championship game just two seasons ago.

But, one thing his rampant supporters should remember is that while that was true... we didn't build on it. We fell completely apart into a disaster season and then a sort of re-building year, even if no one will admit it.

The bottom line is that the truth is somewhere in the middle, though that doesn't make for sexy message board conversation where we need to fire everyone and people are either geniuses or idiots.

Shanahan's been great for the organization, but he needs to get his team in order. More specifically, he needs to step back and admit that he needs help putting a defense together. Because for whatever reason, all of the (correct) philosophies he used to build our last championship defense have gone out the window.

[Bronx33]

Math is are friend.

Kaylore is going to love this one.

[BroncoSoja]

Lot of people seem to forget that Shanahan also earned this:

http://www.sportspool.com/football/super_bowl/Superbowl_XXIX_ring.jpg

Guy owns three SB rings from a five year period. Thats seriously ****ing impressive. He's also been an offensive guru in this league longer than most of you whiners have been able to get a hard on.

Firing Shanahan is a great way to set this organization back about 5 years minimum, and that's if his replacement is pretty good.




And without Elway holding his hand as a head coach Mike Shanny-hand would be in one of these agian.
http://www.goiam.org/publications/imail/photos/unemployment_line2.jpg

I head it all before firing this guy will set us back blah blah blah blah blah.. Dallas finally showed some balls and fired Laundry and a few years later there winning Superbowls agian, They also parted ways with there HOF Coach last year and are freaking 9-1 this year, Pittsburg and Cowyer parted ways and they are also looking a hell of alot better this year then last. Its not like we are going to win a Superbowl with this current Coach anyways (unless Elway finds a fountain of youth).


You people are are nothing more then blind fanatics and refuse to let go of the mans nuts. It doesn't suprise me you also didn't want to let go of Plummers sack a few years ago as well and most of you went ballistic when we drafted Cutler. And just like I knew Plummer was not the answer and was bashed from thread to thread about it by Sassy and her marry band of brothers on this site, I know "The Masterdummy" is not the answer.

Bash me all you want call me what you want it does not matter. You can't hide in your little fairy land forever holding on to your 10 year old Superbowl tropheys . Sooner or later reality is going to smack you in the face and force you to see whats going on. And that reality is that Shannhan(The Head Coach and GM) has done nothing in almost 10 years. Its time for a change and it begins with him being fired or leaving.

[Sassy]

And just like I knew Plummer was not the answer and was bashed from thread to thread about it by Sassy and her marry band of brothers on this site,

I never said he was the answer...just that I didn't feel throwing Cutler in at that point would do any good....we were 7-4 at the time. Anyway, it's water under the bridge now.

[-Slap-]

Fatcard, I prefer Shanahan, faults and all, over any other coach. If we had to bring in someone else, I would want someone more QB friendly than Cowher at the helm. No question Rothliesberger is an immature guy at times, but I thought the way Cowher treated him last season was deplorable. I really thought he was trying to get the kid injured a couple of times near the end of the season. I've seen what a head coach/quarterback feud does to a football team and I never want to see it happen to the Broncos while Cutler is here.

[snowspot66]

Yeah, Wade is making such a difference in Dallas. Oh wait, he's playing with Parcells' team. With Shanahan and the team as is right now in one year we'll know if things will turn around (I believe it will) In two we'll know if we're contenders. If after that, we aren't looking to be contenders, then it's time to change.

Wether you like Shanahan or not right now the fact remains that he's the best man in the world to be coaching Cutler. We need him now so even when if he's gone later we'll still have a well coached Cutler for another 10 years or more. I'm not gonna trust the development of a potentially great QB to some unknown coach.

Cowher is overrated. Won a SB so now he's the big name in football. Fans in Pittsburgh wanted him gone until the team pulled a SB out of their ass.

Parcells, horrible choice, coaches for 2 or 3 years then retires. It's become a tradition.

[Sassy]

Wether you like Shanahan or not right now the fact remains that he's the best man in the world to be coaching Cutler. We need him now so even when if he's gone later we'll still have a well coached Cutler for another 10 years or more. I'm not gonna trust the development of a potentially great QB to some unknown coach.
!!!

[TDmvp]

Fatcard .... displaying Gonzo like mad IQ skills ...... between this and his take away our guns i feel i have just been going around poo pooing his comments allday ....

[ColoradoDarin]

And without Elway holding his hand as a head coach Mike Shanny-hand would be in one of these agian.
http://www.goiam.org/publications/imail/photos/unemployment_line2.jpg

I head it all before firing this guy will set us back blah blah blah blah blah.. Dallas finally showed some balls and fired Laundry and a few years later there winning Superbowls agian, They also parted ways with there HOF Coach last year and are freaking 9-1 this year, Pittsburg and Cowyer parted ways and they are also looking a hell of alot better this year then last. Its not like we are going to win a Superbowl with this current Coach anyways (unless Elway finds a fountain of youth).


You people are are nothing more then blind fanatics and refuse to let go of the mans nuts. It doesn't suprise me you also didn't want to let go of Plummers sack a few years ago as well and most of you went ballistic when we drafted Cutler. And just like I knew Plummer was not the answer and was bashed from thread to thread about it by Sassy and her marry band of brothers on this site, I know "The Masterdummy" is not the answer.

Bash me all you want call me what you want it does not matter. You can't hide in your little fairy land forever holding on to your 10 year old Superbowl tropheys . Sooner or later reality is going to smack you in the face and force you to see whats going on. And that reality is that Shannhan(The Head Coach and GM) has done nothing in almost 10 years. Its time for a change and it begins with him being fired or leaving.

Did you hit your head or something? That's a NINERS' Superbowl ring, ya know, when he won a Superbowl without Elway.

BTW it's Cowher, not Cowyer

[TDmvp]

Did you hit your head or something? That's a NINERS' Superbowl ring, ya know, when he won a Superbowl without Elway.

BTW it's Cowher, not Cowyer

LOL post of the day .... rep this ... and slap em rep ... yea im repping slap ...

[azbroncfan]

Fatcard, I prefer Shanahan, faults and all, over any other coach. If we had to bring in someone else, I would want someone more QB friendly than Cowher at the helm. No question Rothliesberger is an immature guy at times, but I thought the way Cowher treated him last season was deplorable. I really thought he was trying to get the kid injured a couple of times near the end of the season. I've seen what a head coach/quarterback feud does to a football team and I never want to see it happen to the Broncos while Cutler is here.


What about Mike Martz? :D

[theAPAOps5]

Did you hit your head or something? That's a NINERS' Superbowl ring, ya know, when he won a Superbowl without Elway.

BTW it's Cowher, not Cowyer

Eh he isn't going to let a mere thing like facts trip up his senseless rants.

[ØrangeÇrush]

So we want to fire a two time SB winner who has lost one home afc championship game, for a one time SB winner who has lost two AFC championship games at home.

We want to leave a running minded head coach because he doesn't go for the juggler for a running minded headed coach who doesn't go for the juggler....

wow...

[Garcia Bronco]

And without Elway holding his hand as a head coach Mike Shanny-hand would be in one of these agian.
http://www.goiam.org/publications/imail/photos/unemployment_line2.jpg

I head it all before firing this guy will set us back blah blah blah blah blah.. Dallas finally showed some balls and fired Laundry and a few years later there winning Superbowls agian, They also parted ways with there HOF Coach last year and are freaking 9-1 this year, Pittsburg and Cowyer parted ways and they are also looking a hell of alot better this year then last. Its not like we are going to win a Superbowl with this current Coach anyways (unless Elway finds a fountain of youth).


You people are are nothing more then blind fanatics and refuse to let go of the mans nuts. It doesn't suprise me you also didn't want to let go of Plummers sack a few years ago as well and most of you went ballistic when we drafted Cutler. And just like I knew Plummer was not the answer and was bashed from thread to thread about it by Sassy and her marry band of brothers on this site, I know "The Masterdummy" is not the answer.

Bash me all you want call me what you want it does not matter. You can't hide in your little fairy land forever holding on to your 10 year old Superbowl tropheys . Sooner or later reality is going to smack you in the face and force you to see whats going on. And that reality is that Shannhan(The Head Coach and GM) has done nothing in almost 10 years. Its time for a change and it begins with him being fired or leaving.

Idiot...John Elway never played in a Super Bowl without Mike Shanahan.

[Taco John]

Good lord... Shanahan got within one game of the Superbowl with Plummer. Now we've got a young offense that looks all kinds of special, and people want to bring in COWHER of all people to carry us over the goal line? Based on what? In 15 years of head coaching, he won exactly ONE Superbowl, and the only reason they managed that one was because the refs gave it to them (as far as I'm concerned)...

[Garcia Bronco]

Good lord... Shanahan got within one game of the Superbowl with Plummer. Now we've got a young offense that looks all kinds of special, and people want to bring in COWHER of all people to carry us over the goal line? Based on what? In 15 years of head coaching, he won exactly ONE Superbowl, and the only reason they managed that one was because the refs gave it to them (as far as I'm concerned)...

And after another 15 years we can get another Super Bowl too.

[CBF1]

I would not consider them competitive this year, would you?...dman

Word and rep. :peace:

[Kaylore]

Kaylore is going to love this one.

Yeah I botched that one. I guess he'd be two years old.

I can't brain. I have the dumb.

[NASurfer]

So we want to fire a two time SB winner who has lost one home afc championship game, for a one time SB winner who has lost two AFC championship games at home.

We want to leave a running minded head coach because he doesn't go for the juggler for a running minded headed coach who doesn't go for the juggler....

wow...

LOL

Cowher is as conservative as they come, at least Shanahan has a working knowledge (major understatement) of the passing game. Only now we have a strong armed QB who is capable of executing a complex passing offense... and the guy just completed his 16th pro game. I sure as hell don't want Cowher here in Denver.

[cmhargrove]

Just another thought.

Rarely do you see a coaching change become a "quick turnaround" unless there have also been a few years of high draft picks to bolster it. Dallas this year is an exception. They are still using the talent of Parcells' team, but are doing better with the improvement of their QB play. Let's face it, the Dallas D is doing well enough to win their games, but they still give up a lot of points. The offense is on fire because of Romo. They would have lost about 5 of their games this year if Bledsoe was still the guy.

So, if you want the formula for success, look at a "Dynasty" team and try to suck away one of their coaches (like we originally did with Shanahan from the 49ers...and, uh, the Raiders). Look at Romeo Crennel from the Pats. They were already talking about firing him this season until his high draft picks finally started to pan out. Derek Anderson is doing what he needs to, but the real talent is with Edwards and Winslow. Charlie Weiss had the clout, but is now stinking it up.

So go after who? Get a young buck like Monte Kiffin? Get an old hand like Norv Turner? Get a great offensive coordinator like Cam Cameron? Look at their records this year. You now think Jason Garrett is ready for a head coaching gig?

This may not be our year for a hundred reasons, but you will be singing a different tune next year (mainly because of the 2006 draft class).

[AZ!]

Shanahan has been in charge for over ten seasons....

If he hadn't inherited one of the greatest offenses in NFL history in the mid 90's, he would have very little to celebrate in his coaching career aside from a pretty good record running the football. Since 1999 his record rivals that of stalwarts like shottenheimer and Billick, one of which was fired after a 14-2 season, and the other is about to be fired.

Sooner or later the coach needs to take responsibility for his teams performance. Shanahan seems to be in a position of luxury in that regard, and is always capable of putting the blame on someone else.

I've never had a bad word to say about him as a coach until now... However, I think it's in the best interests of the denver fans that he resigns after this season.

Bring on Bill Cowher!

This is the most idiotic post I have seen in a long time. When Dever beat KC and Tennesse everyone was die hard. Our team blows a game on the road and here comes the fire Shanny threads again. If you can't be a fan in times like these and support you organization as a whole. then you were truely never a Broncos fan in the first place. Sure you may have been on a specific players jock strap who played for the Broncos, but you were truely never a Broncos Fan!:redpunch:

[Jason in LA]

People seem to forget that for many years a lot of Steeler fans wanted to get rid of Cowher because he couldn't win the big game. The Steelers smartly kept him around, year after year. It finally paid off.

Keeping Shanahan around will pay off. He finally has the QB he needs to win. The other pieces will fall into place.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Didn't you get the memo? Shanny's got a job for life and Bowlen's vote is the only one that counts, so this is a fruitless excercise in wishful thinking.

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL

Cowher is as conservative as they come, at least Shanahan has a working knowledge (major understatement) of the passing game. Only now we have a strong armed QB who is capable of executing a complex passing offense... and the guy just completed his 16th pro game. I sure as hell don't want Cowher here in Denver.

Cowher and Herm are both Marty Ball guys of the Marty coaching tree....people don't seem to understand that either.

[scooter]

While i believe Cowher to be a fine coach i just cant get past the fact that up until he won supe 40 he was marty jr. in the post season. I think he lost something like 4 afc champ. games and a super bowl. Also, did anybody pay attention to the offense he ran in pitt? I'm not ready for 3 yards and a cloud of boring a$$ offense. Too many people are already saying we dont take advantage of Jay's arm strength enough as it is, with The Chin at the helm you'll hardly ever see a pass.

[Merlin]

The collective IQ of some posters most border around 70 pts. Simplistic attacks with BONEHEAD solutions and absolutely no understanding of the ramifications of their claims or solutions
What about Mike Martz? :D
I apologize in advance if I miss the sarcasm, but if this is an honest suggestion...

NO

I wouldn't even take him as my OC, unless I didn't care for the longevity of my QB and wanted something in the next year or two. However, I want Cutler to be in his PRIME 5 yrs from now, not worrying whether he is going to suffer long term brain damage.

[Tom H.]

No way should the Broncos get rid of Mike. I can only hope that the special teams coach (is that Scott O'Brien?) would scream at Todd Sauerbrun to make some better decisions and not just autopilot the kicking game.

I'm just going to continue to pop some pop corn and watch. They'll get better. Really:)