How can you be for a free market and against ....

[Spider]

Illegal immigration ? Shouldnt Employers be able to hire who they want when they want ?
if you are against Illegal immigration , you are socialist , big government , big brother supporter .........

[W*GS]

You go, bro!

[cutthemdown]

Free Market is a theory that deals with how prices are set for good and services. It has nothing to do with how a country determines citizenship.

In fact some would argue economies are more a demand economy where the govt lets some things be free market, but then controls the price of other goods. There really are no totally free markets because all govt do some subsidies but America does less of those then most.

[Spider]

Free Market is a theory that deals with how prices are set for good and services. It has nothing to do with how a country determines citizenship.

In fact some would argue economies are more a demand economy where the govt lets some things be free market, but then controls the price of other goods. There really are no totally free markets because all govt do some subsidies but America does less of those then most.

No **** ............ you are kidding me , Say it aint so Buford ...... So tell me again what does this have to do with people that support a free market , contradicting themselfs on illegal immigration ?...........

[Garcia Bronco]

I am for free market...I am also for following the laws. And the laws say it's illegal.

[Rohirrim]

Illegal immigration ? Shouldnt Employers be able to hire who they want when they want ?
if you are against Illegal immigration , you are socialist , big government , big brother supporter .........

Why, Spider! I didn't realize you were such a globalist. Ha! Cast down those borders! Flush the national sovereignty! After all, a border is just a line on a map. Can't we all just get along?

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
so let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me...
:peace:

[Spider]

I am for free market...I am also for following the laws. And the laws say it's illegal.

I see so you are for a free market to a limit , in other words you dont support a true free market ........ you cant reconcile the 2 issues ........

[Spider]

Why, Spider! I didn't realize you were such a globalist. Ha! Cast down those borders! Flush the national sovereignty! After all, a border is just a line on a map. Can't we all just get along?

We are the world, we are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
so let's start giving
There's a choice we're making
We're saving our own lives
It's true we'll make a better day
Just you and me...
:peace:
thats me , I like people , it is mankind I cant stand ;D

[Bronco Bob]

Why, Spider! I didn't realize you were such a globalist. Ha! Cast down those borders! Flush the national sovereignty! After all, a border is just a line on a map. Can't we all just get along?


Yep, and the Constitution is just a g-damn piece of paper.
.
.

[Rohirrim]

Actually, I think Mexico has a good idea. Why doesn't America export its poor? We could print nice little travel brochures: "Life in Canada is better. You'll enjoy socialized medicine. Come to Canada." It would be great. Then, we wouldn't have to spend a dime educating our poor, creating jobs, providing health care and human services and all that other crap or worrying about a great mass of discontented poor folks simmering beneath a layer of institutionalized corruption. We could just sit on our asses and enjoy the remittances, just like Mexico.

[Bronco Bob]

Actually, I think Mexico has a good idea. Why doesn't America export its poor? We could print nice little travel brochures: "Life in Canada is better. You'll enjoy socialized medicine. Come to Canada." It would be great. Then, we wouldn't have to spend a dime educating our poor, creating jobs, providing health care and human services and all that other crap or worrying about a great mass of discontented poor folks simmering beneath a layer of institutionalized corruption. We could just sit on our asses and enjoy the remittances, just like Mexico.

Canada has stricter immigration policies? Does Canada consider anyone born
there to automatically be a Canadian citizen, for example?

[Rohirrim]

Canada has stricter immigration policies? Does Canada consider anyone born
there to automatically be a Canadian citizen, for example?

So does Mexico. I remember watching this interview with the Mexican foreign minister last year where he was bragging that Mexico had locked up and then deported 250,000 Central and South Americans who were in Mexico illegally. In Mexico, the penalty for being undocumented is one year in jail. Of course, if the big, bad U.S. was to lock up an illegal, they'd organize a march through our streets and desecrate our flag while our media broadcast endless tearjerkers about families disrupted by the nasty, evil ICE. Did you ever get the feeling that we're being played like chumps? ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Actually, I think Mexico has a good idea. Why doesn't America export its poor? We could print nice little travel brochures: "Life in Canada is better. You'll enjoy socialized medicine. Come to Canada." It would be great. Then, we wouldn't have to spend a dime educating our poor, creating jobs, providing health care and human services and all that other crap or worrying about a great mass of discontented poor folks simmering beneath a layer of institutionalized corruption. We could just sit on our asses and enjoy the remittances, just like Mexico.

At the rate we're going, we'll need to export our poor and our middle class before too long.

[Garcia Bronco]

I see so you are for a free market to a limit , in other words you dont support a true free market ........ you cant reconcile the 2 issues ........

No Spider...I don't support anarchy.

[Spider]

No Spider...I don't support anarchy.

so you dont support a free market , read up on what true free market people believe. you support a controlled system aka Socialist , Dan near boarding on Communist

[Garcia Bronco]

so you dont support a free market , read up on what true free market people believe

I guess so.

[Bob]

Illegal immigration ? Shouldnt Employers be able to hire who they want when they want ?
if you are against Illegal immigration , you are socialist , big government , big brother supporter .........

I'm not into a totally free market -- every decison has a "cost" -- and the cost of illegal immigration in my opinion is much greater than its benefits.

many times when people talk about free trade they are on the top of the heap, and only stand to gain from screwing over the little guy.

[Bob]

There are some problems that can be fixed by having less regulation of the economy, and trade -- but doesnt it seem that the rules only apply to the USA? Other governments like Japan are engaged in protectionist policies, while we dont hold up a mirior in terms of tax policy of thier goods -- to me that is part of the reason we are loosing the trade war.

[W*GS]

Spider's just being ornery 'cuz someone whupped his ass at the ol' bar last nite.

[cutthemdown]

No **** ............ you are kidding me , Say it aint so Buford ...... So tell me again what does this have to do with people that support a free market , contradicting themselfs on illegal immigration ?...........

you're stupid. Keep on truckin!!!

You can want a closed border and still be for a free market. Free Market is referring to the goods, what you are talking is referring to the workers. They aren't the same and you are really ignorant. Go back to college and get a degree if you want to be smart. Otherwise just stick to hauling my stuff around the country.

Free Market=how prices are determined for goods. It has nothing to do with immigration!!!!

[c_lazy_r]

So does Mexico. I remember watching this interview with the Mexican foreign minister last year where he was bragging that Mexico had locked up and then deported 250,000 Central and South Americans who were in Mexico illegally. In Mexico, the penalty for being undocumented is one year in jail. Of course, if the big, bad U.S. was to lock up an illegal, they'd organize a march through our streets and desecrate our flag while our media broadcast endless tearjerkers about families disrupted by the nasty, evil ICE. Did you ever get the feeling that we're being played like chumps? ;D

I think jail would be an option if we had enough space and money to house them all. Unfortunately, that isn't going to be a reality unless the government puts a fence around Wyoming and turns them all loose. :approve:

[Spider]

you're stupid. Keep on truckin!!!

You can want a closed border and still be for a free market. Free Market is referring to the goods, what you are talking is referring to the workers. They aren't the same and you are really ignorant. Go back to college and get a degree if you want to be smart. Otherwise just stick to hauling my stuff around the country.

Free Market=how prices are determined for goods. It has nothing to do with immigration!!!!

LOL I am stupid ? Too ****ing much , you want to regulate on who companies hire ....... doesnt sound to ****ing free to me you ****ing moron ....... I hope some day when you leave Mom and Dads house and live on your own , they have someone that will watch over you .........

[Spider]

Hey Cut maybe one of these days you will wake up from the drug induced stupor you are in and realize , hey as soon as you regulate something , then it isnt free ........ ROFL! you ****ing moron . I doubt you even know what the **** I am talking about , you are just spouting off cause mom or Dad took your PS3 away for a week

[spdirty]

Im for a free market within the laws of the country...Bad argument spider.

[spdirty]

wish I could get my ex deported

[Spider]

Im for a free market within the laws of the country...Bad argument spider.

Not at all , the point is , as soon as you put laws on a business from any angle , it is regulated , no longer to operate as it wishes .......but this is a lead in argument to another argument people who support free market come up with as far as pollution control ......... Alot of free market people claim it cost companies more money to keep waste clean , well my point with this argument is , you cant have it bothways , hiring illegals is cheaper also , so why want it 1 way and not the other , and in the end how is that supporting a free market ?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm guessing you are trying to define a "free market economy".

And I'm sure you realize that the term is theoretical concept not used or implemented in any country in the world without restrictions?

For a real good example, take a look at the United States which defines non-citizens who enter the country illegally (whether they work here or not) as criminals.

[Spider]

I'm guessing you are trying to define a "free market economy".

And I'm sure you realize that the term is theoretical concept not used or implemented in any country in the world without restrictions?

For a real good example, take a look at the United States which defines non-citizens who enter the country illegally (whether they work here or not) as criminals.

I agree........

[spdirty]

Not at all , the point is , as soon as you put laws on a business from any angle , it is regulated , no longer to operate as it wishes .......but this is a lead in argument to another argument people who support free market come up with as far as pollution control ......... Alot of free market people claim it cost companies more money to keep waste clean , well my point with this argument is , you cant have it bothways , hiring illegals is cheaper also , so why want it 1 way and not the other , and in the end how is that supporting a free market ?

well, I never have been, nor will I ever be for a total free market...just like I will never be for a democracy in its purest form.

Just depends on what laws we want to govern us. And I want an enforced law to prevent illegal aliens from working here.

However, there are laws which just F@CK YOU UP! Example, the DBE program, where minority and women owned companies get preferential treatment as to what companies get awarded contracts.

[Spider]

well, I never have been, nor will I ever be for a total free market...just like I will never be for a democracy in its purest form.

Just depends on what laws we want to govern us. And I want an enforced law to prevent illegal aliens from working here.

However, there are laws which just F@CK YOU UP! Example, the DBE program, where minority and women owned companies get preferential treatment as to what companies get awarded contracts.

thought so .......... not a knock on you spdirty , but I think the only true free market guy here is W*GS

[cutthemdown]

spider I guess is referring to the theory of laisezz-faire free market system where nothing is regulated and only the market determines goods value, culture, prices, labor, and there is no borders at all. I agree you couldnt be for a system like this and still say you are agianst immigration.

Everyone knows that no country has ever had a system like this. This whole thread makes no sense and doesn't raise a viable issue as it pertains to our current situation in America.

America has an open market, demand market, but not a totally free market as decribed by George Whatley and Ben Franklin in the book Principles of Trade. He spider did you have to read that book in trucker school or did they let you skip that? Oh I forget you can only read traffic signs that tell you if your truck can fit under a bridge.

[W*GS]

"Free market" != "breaking the law".

[Spider]

spider I guess is referring to the theory of laisezz-faire free market system where nothing is regulated and only the market determines goods value, culture, prices, labor, and there is no borders at all. I agree you couldnt be for a system like this and still say you are agianst immigration.

Everyone knows that no country has ever had a system like this. This whole thread makes no sense and doesn't raise a viable issue as it pertains to our current situation in America.

America has an open market, demand market, but not a totally free market as decribed by George Whatley and Ben Franklin in the book Principles of Trade. He spider did you have to read that book in trucker school or did they let you skip that? Oh I forget you can only read traffic signs that tell you if your truck can fit under a bridge.
you guess ? you ****ing retard , you found out I was right ...... get bent

[Spider]

"Free market" != "breaking the law".

so now we established that there is no free market , so there should be a minimum wage , as well as other standards , dont give me that line about cost , cause the Market could save millions in illegal labor

[W*GS]

so now we established that there is no free market ,

Who said there was?

so there should be a minimum wage , as well as other standards , dont give me that line about cost , cause the Market could save millions in illegal labor

And now you're off in la-la land.

All this blabber on your part (an entire thread!) and it's all a strawman. Snore.

[Spider]

Who said there was?



And now you're off in la-la land.

All this blabber on your part (an entire thread!) and it's all a strawman. Snore.

then shut your pie hole and move on .........

[cutthemdown]

lol you started the stupid thread ahole. I never once said that there is such a thing as a laisezz-faire free market system. I never heard anyone else say that either. You started a thread that makes no good points and misses all the relevent issues. It's well with in a countries rights to regulate who the citizens are. Of course markets are regulated!!!!!! who ever said they weren't?

You can want open markets for goods and services and still be agianst illegal immigration.

If your point was that the laisezz-faire free market system of a totally free market have not been realized then I agree with you. You really should stick to trucking bro which I'm sure you are really good at. Just eave the economics to the investors and people who took economics in college.

[cutthemdown]

you wouldn't want a totally free market because then all you union boys would be busted out!!!!!

[Spider]

lol you started the stupid thread ahole. I never once said that there is such a thing as a laisezz-faire free market system. I never heard anyone else say that either. You started a thread that makes no good points and misses all the relevent issues. It's well with in a countries rights to regulate who the citizens are. Of course markets are regulated!!!!!! who ever said they weren't?

You can want open markets for goods and services and still be agianst illegal immigration.

If your point was that the laisezz-faire free market system of a totally free market have not been realized then I agree with you. You really should stick to trucking bro which I'm sure you are really good at. Just eave the economics to the investors and people who took economics in college.
non ever said Laisezz -Faire free market ? are you sure about that ?
why keep digging a hole when you been wrong already ?

[Spider]

Oh and by the way genius ( aka Cutthemdown ROFL!) How many people identify themselfs as capitalist ?
I suggest you go back to some kind of school for a refresher course .......

[cutthemdown]

Wyoming= that great mecca of trade and economics. When you need some adivce on economics ask a trucker from Wyoming because they are so enlightened.

[cutthemdown]

Oh and by the way genius ( aka Cutthemdown ROFL!) How many people identify themselfs as capitalist ?
I suggest you go back to some kind of school for a refresher course .......

HUH?

[Spider]

Wyoming= that great mecca of trade and economics. When you need some adivce on economics ask a trucker from Wyoming because they are so enlightened.
seem to be more enlightened then you on this ....... perhaps it is the meds you are on ?

[Spider]

HUH?

lost you did I ?
here it is one more time .. How many people in America identify themselfs as capitalist ? Personally I didnt think it was that hard of a question .......

[cutthemdown]

lost you did I ?
here it is one more time .. How many people in America identify themselfs as capitalist ? Personally I didnt think it was that hard of a question .......

well if you told them capitalist own their own property then I'd say many of them would. I have no idea what number it would be, how could I? I don't just make stuff up like you do all the time. It was a question that didn't make sense to me because there is no way I could no how Americans would identify themselves.

My guess would be most would not say that. The avg American would identify themselves as a dad, husband, trucker, musician, artist etc etc etc.

[Spider]

well if you told them capitalist own their own property then I'd say many of them would. I have no idea what number it would be, how could I? I don't just make stuff up like you do all the time. It was a question that didn't make sense to me because there is no way I could no how Americans would identify themselves.

My guess would be most would not say that. The avg American would identify themselves as a dad, husband, trucker, musician, artist etc etc etc.
LOL you just dont make stuff up ? you bul**** your way through alot of post .I wasnt looking for an exact # , and why wouldnt I tell them all of the meaning of being a capitalist?
i will cut you some slack here , you wasnt here for the outsourcing f and Wal Mart debates , so I will take your answer for what it is ignorance , instead of just plain ****ing stupidity ........

[Taco John]

Q: How can you be for a free market and against Illegal Immigration.

A: Simple: Illegal immigration is still "illegal." But moreover, it's not a free market when you price your own citizens out of the work (ie. Minimum wage), and then import the work illegally to do it for cheaper than the minimum wage. Who gets helped and who get hurt here?

[Spider]

Q: How can you be for a free market and against Illegal Immigration.

A: Simple: Illegal immigration is still "illegal." But moreover, it's not a free market when you price your own citizens out of the work (ie. Minimum wage), and then import the work illegally to do it for cheaper than the minimum wage. Who gets helped and who get hurt here?

but you are still putting restrictions on the market , how can that be free ?

[alkemical]

but you are still putting restrictions on the market , how can that be free ?

you aren't limiting the market - only citizenship

[Bronco Bob]

you aren't limiting the market - only citizenship

But just to play along with Spider, if the markets were truly free they
could hire anyone they wanted to. They wouldn't even have to wait
until someone wandered over the border and went to them for a job.
They could drive buses down to Mexico and bring back workers to
the US to work on their farms and in their factories.

[alkemical]

But just to play along with Spider, if the markets were truly free they
could hire anyone they wanted to. They wouldn't even have to wait
until someone wandered over the border and went to them for a job.
They could drive buses down to Mexico and bring back workers to
the US to work on their farms and in their factories.

That still violates citizenship laws.

[Bronco Bob]

That still violates citizenship laws.

So does that mean citizenship laws violate the free market principle?

[alkemical]

So does that mean citizenship laws violate the free market principle?

I guess it would interpretation to be honest - but i'd say no.

If a business wanted to hire mexican workers, then they should open a mexican plant/business, etc.

[Spider]

you aren't limiting the market - only citizenship

sure you are ...... Lets say for example I make Bronco hats , and I could get workers for 10.00 an hour , or get 5 mexicans for 3.00 per hour ... Icant hire the mexicans , so therefore I am not free to do as Iwish .....

[Spider]

But just to play along with Spider, if the markets were truly free they
could hire anyone they wanted to. They wouldn't even have to wait
until someone wandered over the border and went to them for a job.
They could drive buses down to Mexico and bring back workers to
the US to work on their farms and in their factories.

exactly , but lets take it even further , lets say there are no Minimum wages , again I make Bronco hats , I could hire 1 person 10.00 an hour , or I could hire the entire family for 3.oo an hour surpassing Child labor laws , and soon every company could do this ....... But yet we have people that want no restrictions Medicine or healthcare , Pharma companies can operate without impunity ....... if we try to do anything with Healthcare then we are socialist , but yet everyone in this thread has spoken out against the free market in favor of socialism ...... Then you have people say why in the hell dont politicians listen to people ........... Goofy bastards make no sense is why politicians dont listen

[alkemical]

sure you are ...... Lets say for example I make Bronco hats , and I could get workers for 10.00 an hour , or get 5 mexicans for 3.00 per hour ... Icant hire the mexicans , so therefore I am not free to do as Iwish .....

Yeah but then i can say the same thing about dealing drugs

[Spider]

Yeah but then i can say the same thing about dealing drugs
of course you can , but it still doesnt change the fact that people are being double standard , they yell and scream they are for a free market , government ran anything doesnt work , yet they yell and scream for Socialism on alot of issues for the market ......

[alkemical]

of course you can , but it still doesnt change the fact that people are being double standard , they yell and scream they are for a free market , government ran anything doesnt work , yet they yell and scream for Socialism on alot of issues for the market ......

That's the point though isn't it spider. If you are self serving anything is justifiable. If you were "responsible" then you'd hire cheaper workers in mexico and bring it here into the US. Instead of violating citizenship laws, and importing illegal workers to undercut min wage to increase profits.

[Spider]

That's the point though isn't it spider. If you are self serving anything is justifiable. If you were "responsible" then you'd hire cheaper workers in mexico and bring it here into the US. Instead of violating citizenship laws, and importing illegal workers to undercut min wage to increase profits.
one of the many I am trying to make

[W*GS]

Lets say for example I make Bronco hats , and I could get workers for 10.00 an hour , or get 5 mexicans for 3.00 per hour ... Icant hire the mexicans , so therefore I am not free to do as Iwish .....

You can't kill the $10/hour workers once they've filled their quota, so therefore it's not a free market, eh?

[Spider]

You can't kill the $10/hour workers once they've filled their quota, so therefore it's not a free market, eh?

well you can , but you will do time over it

[Spider]

You can't kill the $10/hour workers once they've filled their quota, so therefore it's not a free market, eh?

But you cant argue the point ....... Besides I thought I told you to shut your pie hole ..........

[Taco John]

but you are still putting restrictions on the market , how can that be free ?

You're right... In a truly free market, there should be no restrictions on how low you can pay your workers.

If you want to watch a very good series about what it is you are talkinga bout Spider, you should check this out:

http://www.ideachannel.tv/

[Spider]

You're right... In a truly free market, there should be no restrictions on how low you can pay your workers.

If you want to watch a very good series about what it is you are talkinga bout Spider, you should check this out:

http://www.ideachannel.tv/

LOL thanks but I dont want ot get any more confused then what I am now ;D

[cutthemdown]

You're right... In a truly free market, there should be no restrictions on how low you can pay your workers.

If you want to watch a very good series about what it is you are talkinga bout Spider, you should check this out:

http://www.ideachannel.tv/

The best thing to research if you want to study total free market is read the book Principles of Trade. It's dated but if you are really interested in something the professor I admired most in my life always said start at the beginning.

Read the oldest work, to the newest theories and you will have gained much knowledge. Most of my friends are Liberals, I'm pretty middle of the road, have some real conservative friends also. The one thing they all have in common is the are well read and very smart. Many of the people who argue an here lack any research or reading to back up what they say.

I'm not sure how this topic came up but anyone who argued that any countries markets are totally free in the mold of laisezz-faire free market system were very wrong. That system has really only one rule for the govt, make sure country has strong defense, and make sure that their are no monopolies to thwart the trade.

I just don't see how it ties into illegal immigration because we all know that govt regulates the hell out of the economy. Even with all those regulations the market is still an open market that lets demand for the most part set a products worth.

[Spider]

Many of the people who argue an here lack any research or reading to back up what they say.



much like you did in this thread , the point was no one said any country was a totally free Market, this was more about government control over the market , and how that sucked and companies should be free to outsource , or corner markets like Wal Mart , but yet these same people want regulations when it comes to people these companies hire , aka Protectionism , This topic was way over your head , you got into deep ...... perhaps you can get some of those well read buddies of youres to help tutor you on weekends ...........Cause when a truck driver , someone who should just deliver your goods , out smarts you in a thread like this ..... it is time for you to get refresher course

[cutthemdown]

much like you did in this thread , the point was no one said any country was a totally free Market, this was more about government control over the market , and how that sucked and companies should be free to outsource , or corner markets like Wal Mart , but yet these same people want regulations when it comes to people these companies hire , aka Protectionism , This topic was way over your head , you got into deep ...... perhaps you can get some of those well read buddies of youres to help tutor you on weekends ...........Cause when a truck driver , someone who should just deliver your goods , out smarts you in a thread like this ..... it is time for you to get refresher course

you never explained yourself LOL!!!! here's your original post.

Illegal immigration ? Shouldnt Employers be able to hire who they want when they want ?
if you are against Illegal immigration , you are socialist , big government , big brother support


You have to be the biggest idiot I have ever argued with. Your post was stupid and made no sense from the start. You can see by reading the responses most people felt the same way. STUPID POINT, STUPID ANALOGY, STUPID CONCLUSION. By they way I wouldn't even admit to anyone I know that I argue with someone as ignorant as you. By the way one of the principles of a free market is you don't allow a company to monopolize a sector of the market. Thats the one thing they are supposed to regulate.

I'm all for cheap mexican labor, we just have to document them. As far as I am concerned we could use them to truck all are goods because that is an easy job you don't need school for brother!!!!

[Bob]

you're stupid. Keep on truckin!!!

You can want a closed border and still be for a free market. Free Market is referring to the goods, what you are talking is referring to the workers. They aren't the same and you are really ignorant. Go back to college and get a degree if you want to be smart. Otherwise just stick to hauling my stuff around the country.

Free Market=how prices are determined for goods. It has nothing to do with immigration!!!!

And you are really smart, with all of your multiple degrees, not to mention humility?

I have met alot of freaking idiots with various degrees -- see Columbia U.

[cutthemdown]

And you are really smart, with all of your multiple degrees, not to mention humility?

I have met alot of freaking idiots with various degrees -- see Columbia U.

Spider brings out all of my flaws with his blue collar politico.

[Bob]

I think jail would be an option if we had enough space and money to house them all. Unfortunately, that isn't going to be a reality unless the government puts a fence around Wyoming and turns them all loose. :approve:

I wonder what the percentage of illegals that are in our prisons already?

I wish I could remember -- I get tired of having to do research before posting, but any here willing to bet against the notion that the percentage of illegals in prison is disportionately much higher than any other group? (except for the mentally ill or drug addicts, which crosses racial boundries.)

[Spider]

you never explained yourself LOL!!!! here's your original post.

Illegal immigration ? Shouldnt Employers be able to hire who they want when they want ?
if you are against Illegal immigration , you are socialist , big government , big brother support


You have to be the biggest idiot I have ever argued with. Your post was stupid and made no sense from the start. You can see by reading the responses most people felt the same way. STUPID POINT, STUPID ANALOGY, STUPID CONCLUSION. By they way I wouldn't even admit to anyone I know that I argue with someone as ignorant as you. By the way one of the principles of a free market is you don't allow a company to monopolize a sector of the market. Thats the one thing they are supposed to regulate.

I'm all for cheap mexican labor, we just have to document them. As far as I am concerned we could use them to truck all are goods because that is an easy job you don't need school for brother!!!!
LOL , you twit you got owned ........Learn to deal with it ......

[Spider]

Spider brings out all of my flaws with his blue collar politico.

dont blame me for your stupidity ......... you have been lost from the get go .....

[cutthemdown]

LOL , you twit you got owned ........Learn to deal with it ......

What debating skills you have!! They are almost as good as the points you make. The points you are make a really, really good.............................................. ...................... FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spider]

What debating skills you have!! They are almost as good as the points you make. The points you are make a really, really good.............................................. ...................... FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you dont handle defeat well do you ? I figured you would have that part down by now .....Just a little smug loser .........

[Spider]

I wonder what the percentage of illegals that are in our prisons already?

I wish I could remember -- I get tired of having to do research before posting, but any here willing to bet against the notion that the percentage of illegals in prison is disportionately much higher than any other group? (except for the mentally ill or drug addicts, which crosses racial boundries.)

i wont vouch for how accurate this site is , but they have it at 29% http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters0b9 c

[Bob]

Spider brings out all of my flaws with his blue collar politico.

I know that part of the reason that Spider posted this thread was to score points for his club -- but attack the ideas. In this case, I think that Spider is trying to point out hypocrisy, that doesn’t exist with most conservatives (on this issue.)

[Bob]

i wont vouch for how accurate this site is , but they have it at 29% http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters0b9 c

that's alot of money...

Thats about what I was thinking as well ...

In terms of trade --what about the idea of putting up a mirior to countries -- and basicly say -- we will impliment what ever tax policy on your crap, that you levy on our stuff? Countries like Japan (I know when it comes to food) have been screwing us for years.

[Spider]

I know that part of the reason that Spider posted this thread was to score points for his club -- but attack the ideas. In this case, I think that Spider is trying to point out hypocrisy, that doesn’t exist with most conservatives (on this issue.)

we all have a degree of hypocrisy , but a few years ago we had a fight about outsourcing , and Wal Mart , I am not a free market kinda guy , I am a pro Union guy , but my intent is , why would some medaling into the Market is bad cause it cost money , yet something else like Hiring Illegals it is ok for government to interfere even though it cost companies money ?
but I dont belong to a club , I am just a mean bastard proving a point from years ago ;D

[Spider]

that's alot of money...

Thats about what I was thinking as well ...

In terms of trade --what about the idea of putting up a mirior to countries -- and basicly say -- we will impliment what ever tax policy on your crap, that you levy on our stuff? Countries like Japan (I know when it comes to food) have been screwing us for years.

we had a civil war over tariffs , but yeah we need to close the gap , I would be willing to cut Mexico some slack on tariffs providing they meet certain criteria

[cutthemdown]

you dont handle defeat well do you ? I figured you would have that part down by now .....Just a little smug loser .........

I'll let you know if you ever beat me at anything.

[Spider]

I'll let you know if you ever beat me at anything.

you are such a nice guy ......for a special ed bastard that is

[cutthemdown]

you are such a nice guy ......for a special ed bastard that is

I do give you a special education and that is nice of me. You are very welcome young padawan learner. Keep it up and you may just solve the age old riddle of the road.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What debating skills you have!! They are almost as good as the points you make. The points you are make a really, really good.............................................. ...................... FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yours are so much more superior!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yours are so much more superior!

:yep:

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[Spider]

I do give you a special education and that is nice of me. You are very welcome young padawan learner. Keep it up and you may just solve the age old riddle of the road.

Do you read your post before hitting submit reply , and this post still seemed like good idea ?