#4 Missouri @ #2 Kansas (#2 Ranking proves to be unlucky again as Missouri wins)

[Northman]

Man, just watching this first quarter of this game and the feeling is electric. Fans are going rabid in this game thus far.

[Northman]

Mizzu gets in the endzone first. 7-0 Tigers. Just looking at the body language so far the Kansas defense looks scared.

[Garcia Bronco]

damn...nice int

[Garcia Bronco]

Look like a touch back to me...oh welll god knew 20 yard run

[Garcia Bronco]

14-0 Mizzou...the big 12 is so weak.

[bpc]

That Safety Stuckey just brought the wood.

Impressive head, seperated the WR from the ball.

Mizzou is rolling right now. Chase Daniels is a very good QB. KU needs to settle down. This is where their soft schedule is going to come into play. I agree, the atmosphere is electric in Arrowhead right now.

[Northman]

Crazy year. The Hokies could have a chance at the Title game. As GB said, 14-0 Tigers early.

[bpc]

14-0 Mizzou...the big 12 is so week.

This coming from an ACC fan. Whatever happened to the super power it was supposed to be?

I would probably take the top three teams in the Big 12 over the ACC Champion.

Including VATech, if they can manage to beat BC this time.

[bpc]

ACC Standings:

ACC Standings
ATLANTIC CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Boston College 6-2 10-2
Clemson 5-3 8-3
Wake Forest 5-3 8-4
Florida State 4-4 7-5
Maryland 3-5 6-6
North Carolina State 3-5 5-7
COASTAL CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Virginia Tech 7-1 10-2
Virginia 6-2 9-3
Georgia Tech 4-4 7-5
North Carolina 3-5 4-8
Miami (FL) 2-6 5-7
Duke 0-8 1-11

Big 12 Standings:

Big 12 Standings
NORTH CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Kansas 7-0 11-0
Missouri 6-1 10-1
Colorado 4-4 6-6
Kansas State 3-5 5-7
Nebraska 2-6 5-7
Iowa State 2-6 3-9
SOUTH CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Oklahoma 6-2 10-2
Texas 5-3 9-3
Texas Tech 4-4 8-4
Texas A&M 4-4 7-5
Oklahoma State 4-4 6-6
Baylor 0-8 3-9
Expanded Standings

[bpc]

We'll assume that each seed will play each other.

I'm still not sure OU will not win the Big 12. TO me, they still are #1.

OU vs. VaTech - I like OU in a matchup of great defenses. I pick the Sooners because of their weapons on offense.
Missouri vs. BC - I like Missouri in a matchup of great QB's.
Kansas vs. UVA - KU, I like what UVA has done but they do it against teams that can't score. KU can... in bunches.
Texas vs. Clemson - Clemson, both are loaded with talent but I think the Tigers would play better... at least recently.
Texas Tech vs. WF - Texas Tech, and its not even close.
T A&M vs. FSU - FSU all the way.
OSU vs. GTech - GTech is a better team.
CU vs. Maryland - CU, I just think Maryland would be a solid pairing for the Buffs.
KState vs. UNC - KState isn't playing very well but they are a much better team than Eastern Carolina and Duke.
Nebraska vs. NCState - Nebraska actually had some of WF early in the season and beat them in their own house. NCState would be no different.
ISU vs. Miami - ISU was playing much better at the end of the year. Between common opponents, OU, ISU lost 17-7, Miami lost 51-13.
Baylor vs. Duke - Both teams are terrible. I'll give Duke the nod here.

Big 12 wins head to head, 8 games to 4.

[bpc]

KU doing everything they can to lose this game.

They've drove into Missouri territory three times, had 1 INT on the 2 yd line and missed two field goals.

[Kaylore]

KU doing everything they can to lose this game.

They've drove into Missouri territory three times, had 1 INT on the 2 yd line and missed two field goals.

They should just stick to basketball.:rofl:

[Garcia Bronco]

This coming from an ACC fan. Whatever happened to the super power it was supposed to be?

I would probably take the top three teams in the Big 12 over the ACC Champion.

Including VATech, if they can manage to beat BC this time.

The ACC has consistently tougher teams and defenses...a mid-tier conference as of late with Miami and FSU slumping. The Big 12 isn't as tough as the SEC, and is probably on par with the WAC, which is why the Big 12's best team got beat by Boise State last season. :)

[bpc]

The ACC has consistently tougher teams and defenses...a mid-tier conference as of late with Miami and FSU slumping. The Big 12 isn't as tough as the SEC, and is probably on par with the WAC, which is why the Big 12's best team got beat by Boise State last season. :)

Boise would have beat anybody in the ACC last year as well. They had a great team.

Let's be honest though... the ACC is several lengths behind the big 12 and its renewed depth.

Didn't Wake win the league last year? Didn't they lose to one of our worst teams this year at their house? Not a lot to go off of on the field besides that game... a 5-7 below average Nebraska team at Wake who was 8-4 this season with the Cornhuskers taking it.

[bpc]

Anubis, what do you think of Branden Albert, your Left Guard from UVA? I just saw a clip of him demolishing some Hokie in the endzone on a pull play... I think it was Adibi. He just flat out crushed the guy. I love that kind of stuff.

[Northman]

ACC Standings:

ACC Standings
ATLANTIC CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Boston College 6-2 10-2
Clemson 5-3 8-3
Wake Forest 5-3 8-4
Florida State 4-4 7-5
Maryland 3-5 6-6
North Carolina State 3-5 5-7
COASTAL CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Virginia Tech 7-1 10-2
Virginia 6-2 9-3
Georgia Tech 4-4 7-5
North Carolina 3-5 4-8
Miami (FL) 2-6 5-7
Duke 0-8 1-11

Big 12 Standings:

Big 12 Standings
NORTH CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Kansas 7-0 11-0
Missouri 6-1 10-1
Colorado 4-4 6-6
Kansas State 3-5 5-7
Nebraska 2-6 5-7
Iowa State 2-6 3-9
SOUTH CONF. W-L OVERALL W-L
Oklahoma 6-2 10-2
Texas 5-3 9-3
Texas Tech 4-4 8-4
Texas A&M 4-4 7-5
Oklahoma State 4-4 6-6
Baylor 0-8 3-9
Expanded Standings


Boston College- 80-62
Clemson- 78-63
Wake Forest- 70-71
Virginia Tech- 78-63
Virginia- 69-74

Kansas- 50-79
Missouri- 76-66
Oklahoma- 70-81
Texas- 64-65
Texas Tech- 66-76




Win/Loss records of their opponents for top 5 teams from each conference.

ACC: 305-333 28 game margin.

Big 12: 326-367 41 game margin.

I wouldnt really say that the Big 12 is that much more dominant than the ACC.

[bpc]

Non-Conference Wins:
Northwestern - Duke
Texas A&M - Miami
Pittsburgh - UVA
UConn - UVA
Rutgers - Maryland
CU - FSU
Alabama - FSU
Vandy - Wake
Clemson is up on South Carolina right now.

Losses:
OU - Miami
ECU - UNC
USF - UNC
UGA - GTech
Wyoming - UVA
LSU - VTech
Central Florida - NCST
Louisville - NCST
WVA - Maryland
UF - FSU
Nebraska - Wake

You know what really rocks the credibility of the ACC? Wyoming beating UVA who had a chance to play for the league championship... they finished at 5-7 in a very bad MWC along with Nebraska beating 8-4 WF. Both of those two teams were terrible in every sense of the word this year yet they still managed to beat up on two of your better schools.

[Northman]

Anubis, what do you think of Branden Albert, your Left Guard from UVA? I just saw a clip of him demolishing some Hokie in the endzone on a pull play... I think it was Adibi. He just flat out crushed the guy. I love that kind of stuff.

I like that guy a lot. Virginia has been able to pump out some pretty decent Olineman as of late which is nice to see.

[Northman]

21-0 now Tigers. Looks like time has caught up with the Jayhawks. Shame, i liked what they were doing this year but Missouri has played excellent this year as well.

[Northman]

Kansas finally gets on the board. Can they muster up enough defense now? 21-7 Tigers.

[Northman]

28-7 Tigers. Kansas has no answer for them defensively.

[Northman]

Gutsy run by the Kansas Qb taking on the defenders to get into the endzone. 28-14 now.

[Garcia Bronco]

Boise would have beat anybody in the ACC last year as well. They had a great team.


Nah..

[Northman]

31-14 Tigers. Looks like this one is about done.

[Northman]

Does anybody know if Meier was the Qb for Kansas before this other guy? Somehow i remember that name but im not entirely sure.

[Northman]

Quick strike from Kansas now. They still need to find some defense though. 31-21 Mizzu.

[eddie mac]

KU TD in 81 secs. 31-21 over 8 mins left.

[Northman]

34-21 Tigers. 3:13 left.

[Northman]

Kansas not going away. 34-28 now. 2 minutes left.

[Garcia Bronco]

Dang...I can hear the 72 Dolphins un-corking the good stuff...:)

[Northman]

Dang...I can hear the 72 Dolphins un-corking the good stuff...:)

:rofl:

Wait until you see my rankings for this week. I think you will be quite pleased. ;D

[broncocalijohn]

not sure why they didnt kick an on side kick at the end. Kicking off was like giving up. WV, Mizzou, OSU, Kansas then rest of pack with LSU in the middle. Love what SC is doing now.

[ohiobronco2]

Does anybody know if Meier was the Qb for Kansas before this other guy? Somehow i remember that name but im not entirely sure.

Yeah he was, they mentioned it a few times during the broadcast I think.

[Northman]

Yeah he was, they mentioned it a few times during the broadcast I think.

I must of missed them talking about it. But i knew he looked familiar.

[bpc]

Nah..

Louisville did. What is the difference here?

I can't say outside of the ACC what conference has been more disappointing as a whole. Either there is great competition or the quality of teams in there are just painfully bad.

The big 12 as a whole hasn't been much better before this year. Its basically been UT and OU for the championship with the winner kicking around a overmatched team from the North. Things look like they are changing though... the level of competition between all the major conferences are evening out. I think the turn has a lot to do with Miami and FSU crashing back down to earth.

If I had to take a stab at the conference ranking...

1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Pac 10 - When completely healthy probably push at #2 this season.
4. ACC
5. Big East
6. Big 10
7. C-USA
8. WAC
9. MWC
10. Mac and Sun-Belt equally suck this season.

[Kaylore]

I know people have been saying number 2 is unlucky this year, but number 1 hasn't exactly been the best place to be either. How many number 1's have gone down this year? 5? 6?

[SoCalBronco]

Louisville did. What is the difference here?

I can't say outside of the ACC what conference has been more disappointing as a whole. Either there is great competition or the quality of teams in there are just painfully bad.

The big 12 as a whole hasn't been much better before this year. Its basically been UT and OU for the championship with the winner kicking around a overmatched team from the North. Things look like they are changing though... the level of competition between all the major conferences are evening out. I think the turn has a lot to do with Miami and FSU crashing back down to earth.

If I had to take a stab at the conference ranking...

1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Pac 10 - When completely healthy probably push at #2 this season.
4. ACC
5. Big East
6. Big 10
7. C-USA
8. WAC
9. MWC
10. Mac and Sun-Belt equally suck this season.

Conference USA is not better than the WAC. The WAC actually has the best stable of coaches in the country, bar none.

[bpc]

Conference USA is not better than the WAC. The WAC actually has the best stable of coaches in the country, bar none.

They have some good coaches, no doubt.

With that said, it would be very interesting to see Houston and Hawaii line up against each other along with UCF vs. Boise State. I think you might be surprised who comes out on top in these matchups.

I think WAC has good/solid teams in UH, BSU, and Fresno. After that they have some of the worst collection of teams in their conference between Idaho, NMSU, and Utah State. Take it to the next level with Nevada, San Jose State, LaTech. All teams very average.

The WAC lost almost all major out of conference games... BSU lost to Washington... watch out for UH/Washington next week, I've been part of a good UH team that lost to a poor Pac 10 team back in 99'. Fresno recently picked up a solid win vs. Kansas State. That's been about it. Across the board C-USA has better depth and slightly better wins against quality opponents.

[ohiobronco2]

Louisville did. What is the difference here?

I can't say outside of the ACC what conference has been more disappointing as a whole. Either there is great competition or the quality of teams in there are just painfully bad.

The big 12 as a whole hasn't been much better before this year. Its basically been UT and OU for the championship with the winner kicking around a overmatched team from the North. Things look like they are changing though... the level of competition between all the major conferences are evening out. I think the turn has a lot to do with Miami and FSU crashing back down to earth.

If I had to take a stab at the conference ranking...

1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Pac 10 - When completely healthy probably push at #2 this season.
4. ACC
5. Big East
6. Big 10
7. C-USA
8. WAC
9. MWC
10. Mac and Sun-Belt equally suck this season.


1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Pac 10- With a healthy Dixon, they push for 2
4. ACC
5. Big 10
6. Big East
7. MWC
8. WAC
9. C-USA
10. MAC
11. Sun Belt.

I didn't notice till I just looked online, but Illinois lost to Missouri earlier in the year in a game that Illinois lost their starting quarterback in the second quarter. They still outgained Missouri and actually had a chance to win, but threw an interception when they were on the one yard line of Missouri. Also Illinois fumbled another time on Missouri's one yard line the lead a 100 yard fumble return for a TD. They had 5 total turnovers in that game. I think that 2 teams in the Big Ten are better than any team in the big 12, but top to bottom that conference is better. Rankings are just my 2 cents.

[Doggcow]

So Missouri is in the NC now? Vs?

[Garcia Bronco]

Louisville did. What is the difference here?

I can't say outside of the ACC what conference has been more disappointing as a whole. Either there is great competition or the quality of teams in there are just painfully bad.

The big 12 as a whole hasn't been much better before this year. Its basically been UT and OU for the championship with the winner kicking around a overmatched team from the North. Things look like they are changing though... the level of competition between all the major conferences are evening out. I think the turn has a lot to do with Miami and FSU crashing back down to earth.

If I had to take a stab at the conference ranking...

1. SEC
2. Big 12
3. Pac 10 - When completely healthy probably push at #2 this season.
4. ACC
5. Big East
6. Big 10
7. C-USA
8. WAC
9. MWC
10. Mac and Sun-Belt equally suck this season.


No...last season the ACC had about 8-9 new QB's. That's it. Texas is the only team that's been for real in recent seasons. OU is consistently overrated like Mich

[Garcia Bronco]

So Missouri is in the NC now? Vs?

They have to win their conference first.

[vailitaliano319]

The ACC has consistently tougher teams and defenses...a mid-tier conference as of late with Miami and FSU slumping. The Big 12 isn't as tough as the SEC, and is probably on par with the WAC, which is why the Big 12's best team got beat by Boise State last season. :)

WOW low blow... there is no doubt that the Big 12 is better than the ACC and has been since the re-allignment. Whou would have thought that the BIG EAST would have made out better on that deal than the fading ACC, who won it last year? WAKE FORREST? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

[vailitaliano319]

So Missouri is in the NC now? Vs?

West Virginia, IF they beat OU

[Garcia Bronco]

WOW low blow... there is no doubt that the Big 12 is better than the ACC and has been since the re-allignment. Whou would have thought that the BIG EAST would have made out better on that deal than the fading ACC, who won it last year? WAKE FORREST? ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

Like I said...9 new QB's last season in the ACC. And the Big East is no where close to being better than the ACC. Rutgers almost won for Pete's sake. The ACC is week in and out tougher than the Big 12. It's weaker. Sorry.

[vailitaliano319]

I would love to see the eventual ACC champs BC, play KU, Mizzou, Texas or OU they wouldnt beat a single one of them... 9 new qb's is irrelevent... its college football there are QB changes every year in every confrence... sorry the Big 12 is better week and and out.

[vailitaliano319]

or even better how bout playing your previous champs Wake against our defeate-by-Boise State champs Oklahoma and see what happens, stick to basketball

[BMF Bronco]

Like I said...9 new QB's last season in the ACC. And the Big East is no where close to being better than the ACC. Rutgers almost won for Pete's sake. The ACC is week in and out tougher than the Big 12. It's weaker. Sorry.

ACC tougher than the Big XII?! are you insane?! Yes, NU sucked this year but other teams, KU, and MU stepped up to cover.

Nebraska sucked, and finished 10th in the Big XII and still beat Wake this year.

[vailitaliano319]

LOVE IT BMF love it... I think Baylor could probably go toe to toe with Wake

[vailitaliano319]

Like I said...9 new QB's last season in the ACC. And the Big East is no where close to being better than the ACC. Rutgers almost won for Pete's sake. The ACC is week in and out tougher than the Big 12. It's weaker. Sorry.

ummm is WV playing for the national championship or are they not? I think you are thinking of the ACC of the 90's

[Garcia Bronco]

ACC tougher than the Big XII?! are you insane?! Yes, NU sucked this year but other teams, KU, and MU stepped up to cover.

Nebraska sucked, and finished 10th in the Big XII and still beat Wake this year.

The fact that you have year in and out doormats leading the Big 12 says it all. Same thing for the Big East last season and the ACC. But the Big 12 has been weak for many seasons in a row.

[Garcia Bronco]

ummm is WV playing for the national championship or are they not? I think you are thinking of the ACC of the 90's

Don't be stupid. They don't play anybody. Same thing for just about any big 12 team

[vailitaliano319]

well in all likeliehood it will be a BIG EAST team playing a BIG 12 team in the national championship, dont play anybody? thats entertaining. who do you have to play in the ACC? Duke, North Carolina, Miami HA what a joke they are... have fun playing in the toilet bowl

[BMF Bronco]

The fact that you have year in and out doormats leading the Big 12 says it all. Same thing for the Big East last season and the ACC. But the Big 12 has been weak for many seasons in a row.

So Duke, UNC, NC State, etc are not doormats?

[Garcia Bronco]

So Duke, UNC, NC State, etc are not doormats?

Duke is a doormat...UNC has been recently, and NCS hasn't been recently.

[vailitaliano319]

sad to say but this year Miami was a doormat... they got SHUT OUT in there final game ever at the orange bowl, what a joke

[Garcia Bronco]

well in all likeliehood it will be a BIG EAST team playing a BIG 12 team in the national championship, dont play anybody? thats entertaining. who do you have to play in the ACC? Duke, North Carolina, Miami HA what a joke they are... have fun playing in the toilet bowl


We'll see. Miami isn't a joke. They've got a bunch of talent on top of talent. They'll be back next season. And watch the job Butch Davis does in Carolina. The Big East and 12 are still weak conferences. Especially the big east.

[vailitaliano319]

this dispute is going no where...