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elsid13
11-21-2007, 09:40 AM
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Chavez, Ahmadinejad to work against US By NASSER KARIMI, Associated Press Writer
Mon Nov 19, 6:27 PM ET



The presidents of Venezuela and Iran boasted Monday that they will defeat U.S. imperialism together, saying the fall of the dollar is a prelude to the end of Washington's global dominance.

Hugo Chavez's visit to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Tehran followed a failed weekend attempt by the firebrand duo to push the Organization of Petroleum Exporting States away from trading in the slumping greenback.

Their proposal at an OPEC summit was overruled by other cartel members led by Saudi Arabia, a strong U.S. ally. But the cartel agreed to have OPEC finance ministers discuss the idea, and the two allies' move showed their potential for stirring up problems for the U.S.

The alliance between Chavez and Ahmadinejad has blossomed with several exchanged visits — Monday's was Chavez's fourth time in Tehran in two years — a string of technical agreements and a torrent of rhetoric presenting their two countries as an example of how smaller nations can stand up to the superpower.

"Here are two brother countries, united like a single fist," Chavez said upon his arrival in Tehran, according to Venezuela's state-run Bolivarian News Agency.

"God willing, with the fall of the dollar, the deviant U.S. imperialism will fall as soon as possible, too," Chavez said after a two-hour closed meeting with Ahmadinejad, the Iranian state news agency IRNA reported.

As the dollar weakens, oil prices have soared toward $100 a barrel. Chavez said over the weekend at the OPEC meeting in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, that prices would more than double to $200 if the U.S. attacked Iran or Venezuela.

"The U.S. empire is coming down," Chavez told Venezuelan TV, calling the European Union's euro a better option and saying Latin American nations were also considering a common currency.

The leftist Venezuelan is a fierce critic of President Bush, and Iran's Islamic government is in a bitter standoff with Washington over Tehran's nuclear program. The U.S. accuses Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons, a claim Tehran denies, and Iran has been hit with two rounds of U.N. sanctions for refusing to suspend uranium enrichment.

Ahmadinejad backed his "dear brother" Chavez in their joint fight with the Bush administration.

"We have common viewpoints and we will stand by each other until we capture the high peaks. God is with us and victory is awaiting us," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by IRNA. He said he and Chavez would stick together to defend their "nations and ideals to the end."

During the OPEC meeting, Iran and Venezuela proposed that the cartel begins pricing its oil in a basket of currencies, rather than just the dollar, and wanted the summit to specifically express concern over the dollar's slide in its final statement.

Saudi Arabia blocked those moves. Saudi Arabia's foreign minister cautioned that even talking publicly about the currency's decline could further hurt its value.

Chavez repeated his warnings that attacking Iran would further increase oil prices. "It's very important that they leave us in peace, the major oil-producing countries," he said.

"If it occurs to Bush to invade Iran, I'm sure the Iranians will resist, and they aren't going to allow them to take away their oil, just as we Venezuelans wouldn't allow it," he said.

In Tehran, the two presidents signed four memorandums of understanding Monday to create a joint bank, a fund, an oil industry technical training program and an industrial agreement, Iranian state television said. It said Chavez then left after an official farewell ceremony.

On Chavez's previous visit in July, the two leaders broke ground for construction of a jointly owned petrochemical complex in Iran, with 51 percent of it in Iranian ownership and 49 percent to be owned by Venezuela. The two nations also began construction of a second petrochemical complex in Venezuela, at a total combined cost of $1.4 billion.

Chavez and Ahmadinejad believe their petrochemical partnership will help Iran win markets in Latin America and Venezuela to gain access to Asia's energy market, especially India.

Since 2001, the two countries have signed more than 180 trade agreements, worth more than $20 billion in potential investment, according to official reports.

Iran has partnered with Venezuela on several industrial projects in the South American nation, including the production of cars, tractors and plastic goods.

Garcia Bronco
11-21-2007, 10:22 AM
(snicker)

Hotrod
11-21-2007, 10:28 AM
Someone needs an ass kicking.

W*GS
11-21-2007, 01:09 PM
I bet Chavez' rhetoric has given LABF a woody.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-21-2007, 07:36 PM
I'll bet the thought of adding Chavez to the "axis of evil" and stealing his oil gives W*GS a little chub.

W*GS
11-21-2007, 07:44 PM
This from the guy who posted

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=847227&postcount=16

Snort.

W*GS
11-21-2007, 07:46 PM
I'll bet the thought of adding Chavez to the "axis of evil" and stealing his oil gives W*GS a little chub.

At least you've learned that Chavez treats Venezuela's oil as his own to use as he sees fit, rather than a resource belonging to the Venezuelan people. You're very very slowly seeing the light about ol' Hugo.

Perhaps, some day, you'll denounce him rather than be his biatch...

Nah - never happen.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-21-2007, 07:55 PM
W*GS with the Faux News narrative.

http://www.bartcop.com/fox-news-support.gif

Yawn!

W*GS
11-21-2007, 07:59 PM
Still doing your bit as Chavez' "bottom", LABF... Amazing how you can so clearly see the predations of the Bush administration, but lose that clarity when it comes to ol' Hugo. What's your problem? Can't see to the Left?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-21-2007, 08:38 PM
Still doing your bit as Bush's "bottom", W*GS... Amazing how you can so clearly see the predations of the Chavez administration, but lose that clarity when it comes to ol' Dubya. What's your problem? Can't see to the Right?

Fixed it for ya. :thumbsup:

Spider
11-21-2007, 08:44 PM
Almond Joy and Chavez going to kick our ass ......... Kinda like Pee wee Herman teaming up with Gilligan and starting a reign of terror ............oh wait I forgot there are idiots that was scared ****less of Saddam , so naturally these Idiots live in fear of these 2 turds .............

Spider
11-21-2007, 08:45 PM
Another good thing about this is , there is a Muslim connection so Yavoon will be blissfully happy in his racism.......err spreading love and understanding to the muslim world with human rights as his only weapon ........

Bronco Bob
11-21-2007, 09:07 PM
Another good thing about this is , there is a Muslim connection so Yavoon will be blissfully happy in his racism.......err spreading love and understanding to the muslim world with human rights as his only weapon ........

I got fed up with the little dork when it tried to accuse me of being a racist
and just put it on ignore. Yavoon calling someone else a racist is sort of
akin to Adolph Hitler accusing someone else of being anti-semitic.

W*GS
11-21-2007, 09:14 PM
Bzzzznt, LABF.

If I'd covered for Bush at all (we all know you've lied about that) your edit would make sense. Since I have not...

Come to think of it, I've never seen you criticize Chavez in any way. Why? Even Ro knows the dude is scum.

yavoon
11-21-2007, 09:14 PM
I got fed up with the little dork when it tried to accuse me of being a racist
and just put it on ignore. Yavoon calling someone else a racist is sort of
akin to Adolph Hitler accusing someone else of being anti-semitic.

so sez the person who dismissed someone else's right to freedom of religion.

"cant stand the fire? get out of the kitchen." is bronco bob's enlightened, and racist attitude towards freedom of religion.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-21-2007, 09:34 PM
W*GS denying that he has covered for Bush?

Hilarious!

That's hysterical.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-21-2007, 09:37 PM
Still doing your bit as Chavez' "bottom", LABF...

Isn't this kind of comment "homophobic" (and thus inappropriate) according to your logic/definition?

I guess that makes you a hypocrite (nothing new there.)

W*GS
11-21-2007, 09:42 PM
W*GS denying that he has covered for Bush?

Hilarious!

That's hysterical.

Find some proof. And no, Spider's drunken recollections, matched with your fevered imagination, don't count.

W*GS
11-21-2007, 09:45 PM
Isn't this kind of comment "homophobic" (and thus inappropriate) according to your logic/definition?

Coming from someone whose long-time "insult" was "Ken Starr's cabana boy" - look in the mirror.

I guess that makes you a hypocrite (nothing new there.)

Snort. I will give thanks tomorrow for the (unintentional) humor you give us all each and every day.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-21-2007, 09:53 PM
But if the "cabana boy" insult was "homophobic" (and thus inappropriate) then, according to your own standards, shouldn't the same thing be said re: your "bottom" remark?

Aren't you therefore breaking your own rules and/or operating outside your own value system in making such remarks?

Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

(If you answered "yes" to all three then you get an "A+.")

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-21-2007, 09:56 PM
LOL @ W*GS asking for "proof" that he has defended nearly every move Bush had made.

W*GS must think we have really short memories.

cutthemdown
11-21-2007, 10:03 PM
I'd love to see Chavez wiped off the planet but his rhetoric is just that. TALK TALK TALK. If he hates us so much then stop selling us your oil. I know many of you feel differently but I have 100 percent confidence that America ends up getting the dollar a bit higher and closing the trade deficit. All Chavez is doing is making us all see the time has come to get off oil. We should break ground on 100 new nuclear power plants ASAP. Electric cars, Hyrdrogen cars, whatever but we need to remove the money from these countries.

Spider
11-21-2007, 10:07 PM
Find some proof. And no, Spider's drunken recollections, matched with your fevered imagination, don't count.

LOL like the time I busted you about threatening LABF and you tried to wordsmith your way out of it ? that drunken recollection ? ROFL!

yavoon
11-21-2007, 10:10 PM
I'd love to see Chavez wiped off the planet but he rhetoric is just that. TALK TALK TALK. If he hates us so much then stop selling us your oil. I know many of you feel differently but I have 100 percent confidence that America ends up getting the dollar a bit higher and closing the trade deficit. All Chavez is doing is making us all see the time has come to get off oil. We should break ground on 100 new nuclear power plants ASAP. Electric cars, Hyrdrogen cars, whatever but we need to remove the money from these countries.

chavez could very well implode his whole economy w/ his communist ramblings and dictates. he has already caused massive food shortages.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,,2210473,00.html

"Up to a quarter of staple food supplies have been disrupted, according to Datanalisis, a public opinion and economic research group. To Chávez's detractors the scarcity is evidence that his revolutionary "21st century socialism" is driving South America's oil power towards ruin."

Spider
11-21-2007, 10:16 PM
I got fed up with the little dork when it tried to accuse me of being a racist
and just put it on ignore. Yavoon calling someone else a racist is sort of
akin to Adolph Hitler accusing someone else of being anti-semitic.

LOL I pissed Shítvoon off so bad, by me making fun of how stupid he is , he hasnt talked to me in over a year , and I like it ...... Trust me , there is no limit to Shítvoons stupidity ...... the goofy bastard at one point in time claimed Dennis Northcutt was a far better Receiver then Rod Smith ........

cutthemdown
11-21-2007, 10:23 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Bushes plan to use ethanol from corn is his way of screwing latin american socialists. The effect is corn prices go through the roof. That means the main staple of the latin american diet goes up in price.

Spider
11-21-2007, 10:25 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Bushes plan to use ethanol from corn is his way of screwing latin american socialists. The effect is corn prices go through the roof. That means the main staple of the latin american diet goes up in price.

Now that Rove is gone , with a few others , the only thing Bush can screw up is a wet dream

W*GS
11-21-2007, 10:26 PM
LOL @ W*GS asking for "proof" that he has defended nearly every move Bush had made.

W*GS must think we have really short memories.

Last time you made this claim, I asked for proof. You could come up with nothing.

I see being called out as a liar hasn't kept you from continuing to lie.

You and Bush have far more in common than you can admit.

W*GS
11-21-2007, 10:27 PM
LOL like the time I busted you about threatening LABF and you tried to wordsmith your way out of it ? that drunken recollection ? ROFL!

That's one example. At least if you get Alzheimer's, not much will be lost.

Spider
11-21-2007, 10:34 PM
That's one example. At least if you get Alzheimer's, not much will be lost.

Still bitter I see ....... with time you will get over it .......

Bronco Bob
11-21-2007, 10:39 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Bushes plan to use ethanol from corn is his way of screwing latin american socialists. The effect is corn prices go through the roof. That means the main staple of the latin american diet goes up in price.

So has the price of milk and meat here in this country.
But then Bush has always been more worried about
what goes on in other countries that he has been
about Americans.

W*GS
11-21-2007, 10:41 PM
Still bitter I see ....... with time you will get over it .......

I'm not bitter over something that never happened. But I expect you will keep on misremembering things... That's one of your "talents".

yavoon
11-21-2007, 10:41 PM
Sometimes I wonder if Bushes plan to use ethanol from corn is his way of screwing latin american socialists. The effect is corn prices go through the roof. That means the main staple of the latin american diet goes up in price.

nah the corn thing is the perfect confluence of the really powerful ag lobby and the environmentalists. ethanol, especially from corn, is crap. u can't even pipe it across the country.

Spider
11-21-2007, 11:24 PM
I'm not bitter over something that never happened. But I expect you will keep on misremembering things... That's one of your "talents".if that helps you cope.........

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
11-21-2007, 11:37 PM
LOL I pissed Shítvoon off so bad, by me making fun of how stupid he is , he hasnt talked to me in over a year , and I like it ...... Trust me , there is no limit to Shítvoons stupidity ...... the goofy bastard at one point in time claimed Dennis Northcutt was a far better Receiver then Rod Smith ........

:laugh:

cutthemdown
11-23-2007, 01:12 AM
nah the corn thing is the perfect confluence of the really powerful ag lobby and the environmentalists. ethanol, especially from corn, is crap. u can't even pipe it across the country.

I think that is the obvious reason for corn subsidies like ethanol. I think the hidden agenda could be that it pinches the socialist govt in South America who have to feed all the people or look bad. When corn prices shot through the roof I read it became a real problem for countries where corn tortillas are a huge food staple.

cutthemdown
11-23-2007, 01:13 AM
nah the corn thing is the perfect confluence of the really powerful ag lobby and the environmentalists. ethanol, especially from corn, is crap. u can't even pipe it across the country.

I think I read that Brazil uses sugarcane and it is much better. Brazil makes tons of ethanol, with there big oil find do they scrap that? I know that they use it alot.

yavoon
11-23-2007, 12:36 PM
I think I read that Brazil uses sugarcane and it is much better. Brazil makes tons of ethanol, with there big oil find do they scrap that? I know that they use it alot.

well sugarcane is brazil is significantly better than corn on energy efficiency, and brazil has two growing seasons. I doubt they change their ethanol policy. and I dont know what brazil does about transport. in america most ethanol is local, so the trucking distance is minimized.

cutthemdown
11-23-2007, 02:32 PM
So Yavoon then you see no way that USA using corn for ethanol could hurt socialist countries in Latin America by jacking up the price of corn? To me it seems like the perfect way to stick it to them. Whether it would be moral or not I don't know, but I think there could be something to it.

yavoon
11-23-2007, 02:34 PM
So Yavoon then you see no way that USA using corn for ethanol could hurt socialist countries in Latin America by jacking up the price of corn? To me it seems like the perfect way to stick it to them. Whether it would be moral or not I don't know, but I think there could be something to it.

it could hurt them by degrees I guess. I doubt its that big of a deal though.

cutthemdown
11-23-2007, 02:41 PM
it could hurt them by degrees I guess. I doubt its that big of a deal though.

I do know Chavez is way against ethanol but that could just be because he likes his 100 dollar a barrel oil.

yavoon
11-23-2007, 02:47 PM
I do know Chavez is way against ethanol but that could just be because he likes his 100 dollar a barrel oil.

yah well obviously he wants oil at 6000 dollars/barrel if he could swing it.