Offensive Line Appreciation Thread

[BowlenBall]

Funny how our offensive line never gets credit when they perform well, but get absolutely crucified when there are protection issues. I just wanted to say thank you to our offensive line, which had the following stats as a group:

Kansas City Game: 1 sack allowed, 140 rushing yards (4.9 yards per rush), 27 points, one win.

Tennessee Game: 1 sack allowed, 166 rushing yards (6.4 yards per rush), 34 points, one win.

Pretty damn good... where's the love, people?

[Atlas]

Funny how our offensive line never gets credit when they perform well, but get absolutely crucified when there are protection issues. I just wanted to say thank you to our offensive line, which had the following stats as a group:

Kansas City Game: 1 sack allowed, 140 rushing yards (4.9 yards per rush), 27 points, one win.

Tennessee Game: 1 sack allowed, 166 rushing yards (6.4 yards per rush), 34 points, one win.

Pretty damn good... where's the love, people?

THe OL almost always plays great but gets little respect, There are still people around here calling for an OL to be taken in the first or second like they don't have other needs that are more pressing.

The OL is extremely young now and will only get better.

[Popps]

Tenn's D-line was hurting a bit, but the running lanes did look better. Pears still looks pretty soft.

They're a solid B to B- group when they play well. I still say we need to add a couple of talented, nasty guys to the mix.

As bad as we need DL and LBs, at least one big-time OL addition is nearly as important.

[yavoon]

how's that goal line blocking going? not so good? how about the dropback pass protection? little shakey huh?

still good zoneblockers it seems tho.

[Atlas]

Tenn's D-line was hurting a bit, but the running lanes did look better. Pears still looks pretty soft.

They're a solid B to B- group when they play well. I still say we need to add a couple of talented, nasty guys to the mix.

As bad as we need DL and LBs, at least one big-time OL addition is nearly as important.


How was Tennessee's DL hurting more than Denver's OL? I would gladly let Tennessee have Haynesworth if Denver could get Nalen and Hamilton back.

[Kaylore]

How was Tennessee's DL hurting more than Denver's OL? I would gladly let Tennessee have Haynesworth if Denver could get Nalen and Hamilton back.
You could argue it was a wash. Our interior line is playing pretty well. Pears had some nice blocks but still holds and I'm worried about Lepsis' knee and age. I hope Ryan Harris works out, but if not we should look at a solid tackle prospect to groom. No first rounder unless they are awesome and we don't need to trade up, though.

[Popps]

How was Tennessee's DL hurting more than Denver's OL? I would gladly let Tennessee have Haynesworth if Denver could get Nalen and Hamilton back.

True, just pointing out the facts. These guys are our starters from here out. Tenn will get Haynesworth back soon. I imagine had he played last night, we might have had a little more trouble.

But, I was happy with their play, do misunderstand me. I just think the unit needs some upgrading for next season. It might be time to make another Zimm/Tony Jones type signing.

[Atlas]

You could argue it was a wash. Our interior line is playing pretty well. Pears had some nice blocks but still holds and I'm worried about Lepsis' knee and age. I hope Ryan Harris works out, but if not we should look at a solid tackle prospect to groom. No first rounder unless they are awesome and we don't need to trade up, though.

Lepsis is one year from his knee injury. He'll be stronger next year. Out of all of them I think Pears has the least upside. If Denver could get a dominate T in the draft I wouldn't be totally oppossed to that.

[wabbit]

You could argue it was a wash. Our interior line is playing pretty well. Pears had some nice blocks but still holds and I'm worried about Lepsis' knee and age. I hope Ryan Harris works out, but if not we should look at a solid tackle prospect to groom. No first rounder unless they are awesome and we don't need to trade up, though.

Looks like he will...Dennison & Offensive Assistant Jim Ryan say this kid has the goods.

Since his return, Harris has improved in leaps & bounds and it's expected that his playing time will increase more and more as the season plays out.

It's not all good news, however. Harris reportedly has some chronic back issues.

I don't know the details, but it does worry his coaches.

[bpc]

Well, if Harris pans out, that is good for us. If not, another blown high draft pick.

Still, doesn't change the way I'm thinking. We should be drafting (barring a miracle) right around 18-24. That should be a perfect position to land Jeff Otah from Pittsburgh. That guy has the goods and the size to dominate at LT for us over the next ten years.

Erik Pears is garbage. It was a nice story while it lasted but the guy is soft and cannot sustain blocks. In fact his pass blocking technique is horrible. We need to put a wall around Cutler. I feel very good about everybody on our line except at RT. We were so desperate for quality at RT, we even kept brittle, old, Adam Meadows around for awhile.

Lets not leave Cutler's future to question. Draft some protection, make sure he has the time he needs to complete passes.

A perfect example is Cleveland. They went out and landed Thomas with their first pick last year and he hasn't given up a sack this year. Derek Anderson has come out of no-where to have a very good season for them at QB. If you give the QB time, the WR's will get open and the QB will complete passes. Cutler is doing it anyways right now buying himself time... imagine what he could do with competent tackle prospects in front of him.

[Elway777]

Well, if Harris pans out, that is good for us. If not, another blown high draft pick.

Still, doesn't change the way I'm thinking. We should be drafting (barring a miracle) right around 18-24. That should be a perfect position to land Jeff Otah from Pittsburgh. That guy has the goods and the size to dominate at LT for us over the next ten years.

Erik Pears is garbage. It was a nice story while it lasted but the guy is soft and cannot sustain blocks. In fact his pass blocking technique is horrible. We need to put a wall around Cutler. I feel very good about everybody on our line except at RT. We were so desperate for quality at RT, we even kept brittle, old, Adam Meadows around for awhile.

Lets not leave Cutler's future to question. Draft some protection, make sure he has the time he needs to complete passes.

A perfect example is Cleveland. They went out and landed Thomas with their first pick last year and he hasn't given up a sack this year. Derek Anderson has come out of no-where to have a very good season for them at QB. If you give the QB time, the WR's will get open and the QB will complete passes. Cutler is doing it anyways right now buying himself time... imagine what he could do with competent tackle prospects in front of him.I agree you BPC that ouroffensive is good but not dominate. Look how good Brady looks where you have dominate line. Brady had about 10 seconds to throw the ball in the game against Buffalo.When the Broncos won 2 superbowls we had the best offensive line in football. I reallywouldn't mind getting a offensive tackle in the first round. I also think a great blocking fullback would be great for the Broncos.Marshall had the big block That gave hall the 65 yard TD run. A good blocking fullback can take out that safety or linebacker to spring the big run. Griffen was a under rated part of our superbowl teams.

[yavoon]

Well, if Harris pans out, that is good for us. If not, another blown high draft pick.

Still, doesn't change the way I'm thinking. We should be drafting (barring a miracle) right around 18-24. That should be a perfect position to land Jeff Otah from Pittsburgh. That guy has the goods and the size to dominate at LT for us over the next ten years.

Erik Pears is garbage. It was a nice story while it lasted but the guy is soft and cannot sustain blocks. In fact his pass blocking technique is horrible. We need to put a wall around Cutler. I feel very good about everybody on our line except at RT. We were so desperate for quality at RT, we even kept brittle, old, Adam Meadows around for awhile.

Lets not leave Cutler's future to question. Draft some protection, make sure he has the time he needs to complete passes.

A perfect example is Cleveland. They went out and landed Thomas with their first pick last year and he hasn't given up a sack this year. Derek Anderson has come out of no-where to have a very good season for them at QB. If you give the QB time, the WR's will get open and the QB will complete passes. Cutler is doing it anyways right now buying himself time... imagine what he could do with competent tackle prospects in front of him.

I would really like a legit passblocking tackle stud. a lot.

[yavoon]

I agree you BPC that ouroffensive is good but not dominate. Look how good Brady looks where you have dominate line. Brady had about 10 seconds to throw the ball in the game against Buffalo.When the Broncos won 2 superbowls we had the best offensive line in football. I reallywouldn't mind getting a offensive tackle in the first round. I also think a great blocking fullback would be great for the Broncos.Marshall had the big block That gave hall the 65 yard TD run. A good blocking fullback can take out that safety or linebacker to spring the big run. Griffen was a under rated part of our superbowl teams.

I actually dont like the fullback nemore, cuz I want to use sheffler and graham as much as possible.

[dsmoot]

how's that goal line blocking going? not so good? how about the dropback pass protection? little shakey huh?

still good zoneblockers it seems tho.

I will stand up and admit I have made comments with my concerns for this unit. We will only go as far as this unit will take us in the redzone. I hope for improvement but have not seen it in the redzone. This last game we saw long scores. When we tried to run near the goal line we failed again. We can't live on big plays. We have to have the ability to punch it in on the ground.

[dsmoot]

I would really like a legit passblocking tackle stud. a lot.

That would be nice. Personally, I would rather have a road grader that blows people off the line of scrimmage.

[atomicbloke]

I think we should go the FA or trade route for a OT.
Anyone knows how the FA class looks for the O-line next off-season?

We should use the draft only for defense.

My logic being:

With the good news about Javon, our offense should be set for many many years if we add a stud OT. So lets spend big bucks on someone proven who can fit right in than develop a rookie from the draft.

While the defense still will need a few seasons to reach elite status. Hence we can draft rookies from round 1 and 2 and work them in the defensive rebuilding.

[bpc]

I agree you BPC that ouroffensive is good but not dominate. Look how good Brady looks where you have dominate line. Brady had about 10 seconds to throw the ball in the game against Buffalo.When the Broncos won 2 superbowls we had the best offensive line in football. I reallywouldn't mind getting a offensive tackle in the first round. I also think a great blocking fullback would be great for the Broncos.Marshall had the big block That gave hall the 65 yard TD run. A good blocking fullback can take out that safety or linebacker to spring the big run. Griffen was a under rated part of our superbowl teams.

You should turn on some tape of Owen Schmitt from West Virginia. The guy is a blocking monster. I would love to introduce the fullback back into our offense... if for nothing else but for the mentality of it.

[bpc]

I will stand up and admit I have made comments with my concerns for this unit. We will only go as far as this unit will take us in the redzone. I hope for improvement but have not seen it in the redzone. This last game we saw long scores. When we tried to run near the goal line we failed again. We can't live on big plays. We have to have the ability to punch it in on the ground.

It's all about the talent you put on the line. Indy doesn't have a hard time scoring TD's with their line.

We didn't either back in the day with our lighter line. It's a mentality thing. First you have to want to not be denied, then you need to have a horse in the backfield that has a feel for the blocking schemes. Then you need your line to root bastards out and move them.

[bpc]

I would really like a legit passblocking tackle stud. a lot.

Agreed. I would really like Cutler to be around for 10 or 20 years. Taking shots like he did last year vs. San Fran in the finally and like he did against Detroit is going to get us killed... do we know how lucky we were that Cutler didn't get knocked out for the season against the Lions?

We need to stop risking it. Just make a committment to protect our franchise QB.

[elsid13]

You should turn on some tape of Owen Schmitt from West Virginia. The guy is a blocking monster. I would love to introduce the fullback back into our offense... if for nothing else but for the mentality of it.

The kid would run through two brick walls and wonder why he couldn't find something else to break. Plus he very good receiver out of the back field. A steal if we could pick up in the 6th.


BTW - I still wish we had chosen Doug Free, instead of harris.

[HEAV]

Decent job.

Against the Chef's lepsis was owned by Jarred.

Still have a weak push @ the goal line.

62 yards came on one rush play (which was run on the right side) and B-Marsh had that great block on the play.

Jay-C makes plays with his legs (like the former starter) and saves sacks.

But this line still needs help in the off-season. A free agent, not a draft pick is needed.

[BowlenBall]

What if someone created an offensive line appreciation thread, and no one appreciated them?

Geez, guys, let me re-iterate:

Kansas City Game: 1 sack allowed, 140 rushing yards (4.9 yards per rush), 27 points, one win.

Tennessee Game: 1 sack allowed, 166 rushing yards (6.4 yards per rush), 34 points, one win.

Yeah, they're not perfect, and yeah, Pears is a little spotty at the right tackle, but look at those stats from the last two games -- we're scoring points, not giving up sacks, and producing rushing yards. And most of all -- winning.

For christsakes, show a little appreciation to the big guys!

Buncha negative Nellies....

[bpc]

The kid would run through two brick walls and wonder why he couldn't find something else to break. Plus he very good receiver out of the back field. A steal if we could pick up in the 6th.


BTW - I still wish we had chosen Doug Free, instead of harris.

I still don't know why we took soft ass Ryan Harris. His senior year was a letdown and now... OF COURSE after we draft him we found out he has some sort of back condition that might be cronic. The guy has good feet. So did George Foster. One of these days we are going to have to learn that we'll need a bad ass M'fer with a nasty disposition on the line. You want to start going toe to toe with SD for the division or head to head with Pittsburgh, Indy, and New England for this conference? Get somebody that will punch them back in the mouth and not back down. Start building this team up with enforcers who will punish people, who live and die keeping our young QB upright and are passionate about the game. Stop drafting Olinemen based on their 40 speed. That is a useless stat to me 9 1/2 times out of 10.

There should be a creed for the OL, and it goes a little something like this quote that I stole from a famous movie:

"Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.
We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post."

One of these days we are going to figure out we can't keep bringing stiletto to a gun fight. We need to suck it up, understand that there is a mentality to football and buy into it. Why were we so successful all those years in the late 90's winning championships? Look no farther than the OLine. We had a cohesive unit that would finesse you if they had to, but they would rather be some nasty SOB's in a brawl. We had fighters who believed in keeping people off of John's back. They blew open running lanes for TD. Howard Griffith would stone somebody to death if they got in his way. It was a mentality and when Shanahan first came in, this is the spot he bought in to. We need to get back to that.

[HEAV]

What if someone created an offensive line appreciation thread, and no one appreciated them?

Geez, guys, let me re-iterate:

Kansas City Game: 1 sack allowed, 140 rushing yards (4.9 yards per rush), 27 points, one win.

Tennessee Game: 1 sack allowed, 166 rushing yards (6.4 yards per rush), 34 points, one win.

Yeah, they're not perfect, and yeah, Pears is a little spotty at the right tackle, but look at those stats from the last two games -- we're scoring points, not giving up sacks, and producing rushing yards. And most of all -- winning.

For christsakes, show a little appreciation to the big guys!

Buncha negative Nellies....




I give more credit to Jay-C. :thumbs:

He's picked his game up and made some huge plays.

Also B-Stoke is in a groove right now.

[Ray Finkle]

Overall grade: 5.4
Position rank: 2

OWEN SCHMITT MEASURABLES
Height: 6-2 Weight: 252
40-yard dash: 4.85 10-yard dash:
20-yard shuttle: 60-yard shuttle:
Broad jump: 225-lb. bench:
3-cone drill: Vertical jump:
Wonderlic: 20-yard dash:

KEY » * Recently updated Position grade increased Position grade decreased
Owen Schmitt
FB, West Virginia

War Room analysis
Strengths: Has a good build, and plays with the tough, aggressive attitude not enough fullbacks do. Can bend his knees and drive up into the defender to knock him out of the hole. Always keeps after his blocks until the whistle and usually eliminates his man, even when he gets out of position. Consistently does a good job of picking up the blitz and keeping his man from pressuring the quarterback. A strong, physical inside runner who punishes tacklers, keeps his feet when hit hard and consistently gains yards after contact. Did not get a lot of chances but does catch the ball well out of the backfield. Tough to bring down once he reaches the open field.

Weaknesses: A straight-line athlete who lacks the agility and all-around flexibility to adjust and block well in space. Struggles to consistently stay over his feet and maintain blocks after initial contact. Lacks the explosive burst and playing speed to make big plays as a rusher, or as a receiver out of the backfield. Not an elusive runner; more of a one-speed guy.

Bottom line: Schmitt is the classic, tough fullback who makes his biggest plays as a physical blocker, not as a rusher or receiver. Overall, Schmitt may not have the good all-around athleticism many teams want now, but he is definitely a good enough fullback to become a solid lead blocker who consistently eliminates his man and opens holes.



Career statistics

Rushing Receiving
Team Att. Yds. Avg. TD Att./TD Rec. Yds. Avg. TD
'05 W.Va. 48 380 7.9 2 24.0 8 76 9.5 0
'06 W.Va. 65 353 5.4 7 9.3 12 91 7.6 1
'07 W.Va. 35 175 5.0 2 17.5 11 106 9.6 1
Totals 148 908 6.1 11 13.5 31 273 8.8 2


he is smart as a brick but I like him.....

[HEAV]

One name, Alan Faneca.

[RaiderH8r]

While this group has a lot of room to improve, I'm very excited to see them get better week to week. Particularly Kuper and Myers. I think they struggled a bit early but have made tremendous strides forward. The last two games they really look to be getting their nose in the sh!t and getting after it. They are showing fire and guts out there, sure they screw up, but they're screwing up going 100%. They may not always get the right block but they've always got a body on a defender. I know that may not sound like much but on the line you miss a block you make damn sure you find another one. Selvin is doing pretty well forcing the hole and getting upfield once that first gap opens up on the line. Young has also, moreso against the Chiefs, done well at cutting against the grain and exploiting backside gaps on the DL. The interior 3 are getting a pretty good push on a regular basis to open up those wrinkles for the RB. They're also doing a fine job of selling the play action. They're not pro bowl bound yet, but their improvement and effort is something I surely appreciate.

[dsmoot]

It's all about the talent you put on the line. Indy doesn't have a hard time scoring TD's with their line.

We didn't either back in the day with our lighter line. It's a mentality thing. First you have to want to not be denied, then you need to have a horse in the backfield that has a feel for the blocking schemes. Then you need your line to root bastards out and move them.

Absolutely its about talent. I have been trying to point out that we don't have the OL talent to challenge for a Superbowl run. It is a mentality thing but you can have all the desire in the world and if isn't melded with the talent, you have what we have right now. Add that to the fact that our best two OLinemen will be retired within 3 years tops.

Do we have anyone that you would classify right now as standout or All Pro POTENTIAL. No, not as I see it. Back in the Day, we had people that could move people in the redzone in spite of their size. Until I see that capability in our line, we will be a second tier playoff team at best. Remember, it was the offensive line that took Elway and TD to those Superbowl championships, not wishful, hopeful thinking.

[dsmoot]

It's all about the talent you put on the line. Indy doesn't have a hard time scoring TD's with their line.

We didn't either back in the day with our lighter line. It's a mentality thing. First you have to want to not be denied, then you need to have a horse in the backfield that has a feel for the blocking schemes. Then you need your line to root bastards out and move them.

Absolutely its about talent. I have been trying to point out that we don't have the OL talent to challenge for a Superbowl run. It is a mentality thing but you can have all the desire in the world and if isn't melded with the talent, you have what we have right now. Add that to the fact that our best two OLinemen will be retired within 3 years tops.

Do we have anyone that you would classify right now as standout or All Pro POTENTIAL. No, not as I see it. Back in the Day, we had people that could move people in the redzone in spite of their size. Until I see that capability in our line, we will be a second tier playoff team at best. Remember, it was the offensive line that took Elway and TD to those Superbowl championships, not wishful, hopeful thinking.

[jonny1]

I guess some people don't understand the word "appreciation . . ."

Look, they are young, and they are getting better, AND they are bigger, or have people forgotten that Holland is 322, Myers is 10 lbs heavier than Nalen, and Kuper is 10 lbs heavier than Hamilton?

The line in the 90s didn't happen overnight, and there aren't many Zimms out there.

This team went for old to young in the course of this year, and young players are getting valuable experience.

The foundation for a solid team that will be contending for years is being built, without having to "rebuild."

[yavoon]

That would be nice. Personally, I would rather have a road grader that blows people off the line of scrimmage.

I dont want that, that doesn't protect cutler. and zoneblocking doesn't need traiditional road graders as much, we get the dline moving and then the rb finds the holes.

[RaiderH8r]

Rare is the OL that can step in his first year starting and make the pro bowl. Our guys are working hard week to week to get better. Are they pro bowl bound yet? No. Are they getting better? Yes. These guys are being groomed to step in and take over some day, they're getting valuable experience now and showing that they are up to the challenge and willing to work. Should they go to the pro bowl? Probably not. Have they earned an opportunity to play week to week? Without a doubt.

Nalen is a Hall of Famer. Period. Anyone who says different couldn't find his asshole with a map, compass, and guide...and is too dumb to breathe. HOF are difficult to replace and that's what we're doing up front. We had to play catch up when Hamilton went down. Holland is in his first year with us. Our interior three have come a long way together and definitely deserve some respect for their efforts. I keep hoping for Pears to put it together, I really do. He's what we've got at RT for now so we have to hope for the best. None the less, I'm still impressed with what GCG have shown, particularly Kuper and Myers. Good for them, good for the Broncos.

[Cito Pelon]

What if someone created an offensive line appreciation thread, and no one appreciated them?

Geez, guys, let me re-iterate:

Kansas City Game: 1 sack allowed, 140 rushing yards (4.9 yards per rush), 27 points, one win.

Tennessee Game: 1 sack allowed, 166 rushing yards (6.4 yards per rush), 34 points, one win.

Yeah, they're not perfect, and yeah, Pears is a little spotty at the right tackle, but look at those stats from the last two games -- we're scoring points, not giving up sacks, and producing rushing yards. And most of all -- winning.

For christsakes, show a little appreciation to the big guys!

Buncha negative Nellies....

Yah, the OL has looked pretty good the past two games. Nice play execution.

[cmhargrove]

Major props for these guys. Our redzone production hasn't all been about execution, it has also been an issue of playcalling.

Obviously, it takes both to score in goal to go situations, but the threat of a pass opens up more lanes than the obvious run. We will block better at the goal line, but we need to score with what we have, and they are doing good enough to help us win (with the proper play calls).

Props to the O-line. Hopefully they look good against Chicago.

[Dos Rios]

I think we should go the FA or trade route for a OT.
Anyone knows how the FA class looks for the O-line next off-season?

We should use the draft only for defense.

My logic being:

With the good news about Javon, our offense should be set for many many years if we add a stud OT. So lets spend big bucks on someone proven who can fit right in than develop a rookie from the draft.

While the defense still will need a few seasons to reach elite status. Hence we can draft rookies from round 1 and 2 and work them in the defensive rebuilding.

The popular story is that TD was the missing piece for Elway, but it seems to me that a lot about the offense started going right the year they went out and spent a lot of money on some LT from the Vikings.

Speaking of the Vikings, I wonder how they feel about giving that "giant" contract to Hutchison. Pretty damn good, I imagine.

Offensive lineman is a place for veterans. Rookies, even great ones, usually take a long time. Like qb, it's a position that takes years to learn.

Let's save the early rounds of the draft for positions where the best players have to be a great athlete, like linebacker or defensive end.

[yavoon]

The popular story is that TD was the missing piece for Elway, but it seems to me that a lot about the offense started going right the year they went out and spent a lot of money on some LT from the Vikings.

Speaking of the Vikings, I wonder how they feel about giving that "giant" contract to Hutchison. Pretty damn good, I imagine.

Offensive lineman is a place for veterans. Rookies, even great ones, usually take a long time. Like qb, it's a position that takes years to learn.

Let's save the early rounds of the draft for positions where the best players have to be a great athlete, like linebacker or defensive end.

joe thomas is a rookie and is one of the best LT's in the league so far this year.

he might regress, or come back to normal or whatever. but he's laying waste to ppl now.

[Atwater His Ass]

Our problem remains that in short yardage situations where the other team knows we are going to run, we can't get the job done. That is a big concern.

[Atwater His Ass]

The popular story is that TD was the missing piece for Elway, but it seems to me that a lot about the offense started going right the year they went out and spent a lot of money on some LT from the Vikings.

Speaking of the Vikings, I wonder how they feel about giving that "giant" contract to Hutchison. Pretty damn good, I imagine.

Offensive lineman is a place for veterans. Rookies, even great ones, usually take a long time. Like qb, it's a position that takes years to learn.

Let's save the early rounds of the draft for positions where the best players have to be a great athlete, like linebacker or defensive end.

So how the hell do you ever expect to get good OL? Let other teams draft them and hope you can somehow steal them through FA?

[Spider]

pretty flakey people , we have gone from , we got holes , Shanny out coached , we suck , to nothing but love ....... flip floppin bastards ;D

[chickennob2]

Guys, just picture this. Bring in Alan Faneca. Drafta stud OT in the 1st round. Picture this offensive line:

Lepsis---Faneca---Hamilton---Kuper/Holland---[1st Round Pick]

backed up by Harris, Myers, Pears, and the loser of the Kuper/Holland position battle. That line could make this a championship caliber offense. If you combine those hosses up front with Cutler, Walker, Marshall, Stokely, Graham, Scheffler, Henry, and Young, that is a group of guys that will be wearing a ring after next season. Defense be damned. Get a DT in the 2nd, pick up some roleplayer FAs at LB, DT, and a S. The defense won't be elite, but it will be solid and will have some playmekers. A solid defense and an unstoppable offense will give us every chance to beat the Patriots and bring the Lombardi trophy to Denver.

[Requiem]

Cursed is he, for thy man who believes that Erik Pears had not betrayed his brothers. For he is an abomination.

When Jesus of Nazareth spoke to Ted Sundquist that off-season day in February and said, "Do not resign Erik Pears, and ye shall find peace." Sundquist replied, "Nay Jesus, I cannot take our blessings, for Erik will stay here on the Broncos, and go out and play."

Jesus smirked, snapped his fingers and went away, a signal that neither Erik or Ted will make it into the Kingdom of Heaven.

[Dos Rios]

So how the hell do you ever expect to get good OL? Let other teams draft them and hope you can somehow steal them through FA?

Obviously, you'd love to have a top 5 draft pick at every position and I'd love to see a beast like Joe Thomas in the orange and blue. My point is just that you have to choose between lots of competing needs. The team has shown the ability to find/develop great o-line talent through late picks like Nalen, Lepsis (udfa), maybe Kuper and/or Myers. Also some great multi-year success through FA like Zimmerman, Tony Jones, and Stinky. The success rate of the Broncos at some other positions, like lb, is a lot poorer with guys not drafted in the first 2 rounds. It's the same reason I'm not excited about the Broncos taking a rb in the first. Sure, I'd love to have a 1st round rb talent on the team, but the Broncos can do a lot of damage with lesser ranked rbs, so it makes sense to spend that first rounder somewhere else.

That's not to say I disagree with the basic point that they really, really need to focus on developing a great o-line to suit 10+ years of Cutler in the pocket, with the biggest apparent need at right tackle.

[dsmoot]

Our problem remains that in short yardage situations where the other team knows we are going to run, we can't get the job done. That is a big concern.

Your point is exactly what I see game to game. Yes there has been bad play calling at times but that has been in small proportion to the lack of execution. Come on Shanahan hasn't suddenly got stupid on us. We can second guess Shanahan all we want but when you look closely at the offensive line in the redzone, we have had many individual breakdowns where we have been physically manhandled. Its not hard to to tell because I have seen Pears, Myers, Kuper and even Lepsis pushed backwards or getting no forward movement. They are getting stood up at times. As Shanahan has stated about redzone woes, it usually only takes one breakdown.

Now for the appreciation. They are doing a MUCH better job of pass protection for Jay. They are RUN BLOCKING well OUTSIDE the RED ZONE. Why??? The defense is spread where the Zone Blocking schemes work much better. They are starting to cut back on the OL penalties which stymied a number of drives earlier.

I mentioned I would like a road grader Tackle over a pass blocking tackle. I meant to say more clearly is that I want someone who can clear out the guy in front of him. I don't see anyone on the current line that can consistently dominate his opponent. I want an investment in a high round draft pick used on the OL. I guess we will now hear about Foster.

[62Olinesdad]

What if someone created an offensive line appreciation thread, and no one appreciated them?

Geez, guys, let me re-iterate:

Kansas City Game: 1 sack allowed, 140 rushing yards (4.9 yards per rush), 27 points, one win.

Tennessee Game: 1 sack allowed, 166 rushing yards (6.4 yards per rush), 34 points, one win.

Yeah, they're not perfect, and yeah, Pears is a little spotty at the right tackle, but look at those stats from the last two games -- we're scoring points, not giving up sacks, and producing rushing yards. And most of all -- winning.

For christsakes, show a little appreciation to the big guys!

Buncha negative Nellies....

ExpatFan

I am right with you on the appreciation for the Oline. Yes I am biased a bit but I still feel they have been the most consistent unit on the team since the first game of the season. Putting aside Detroit where I felt the entire team self imploded, the Oline has been playing very well considering the changes they have endured so far. Its a young unit and its been getting better each game. No matter how well they play you won't see a lot of praise from the boards here. It seems they ( the posters ) just wait until they can point out bad plays and get on their case. Must be more fun to do. Shrugs.

Everyone has their own view of course and they are entitled to it. It is pretty sad that no matter how well they do play since all the changes have occured they still don't get much respect. What everyone seems to not look at is that the O line has not been blowing people off the line in the red zone for a couple years now. It didn't just start happening. Even with last years line the big " surge " within the red zone was not happening. There are a lot of plays that can be called in the red zone its not just about blowing the D line back for a RB to score. We have tons of weapons to use they just need their play called to make it happen. I still feel the Oline as it is now will become one of the great Denver lines. A little support would go a long way.

[Atlas]

When is the last time a rookie was an opening day starter under Shanny..... Never. Usually they ride the bench the whole year.

Guys, just picture this. Bring in Alan Faneca. Drafta stud OT in the 1st round. Picture this offensive line:

Lepsis---Faneca---Hamilton---Kuper/Holland---[1st Round Pick]

backed up by Harris, Myers, Pears, and the loser of the Kuper/Holland position battle. That line could make this a championship caliber offense. If you combine those hosses up front with Cutler, Walker, Marshall, Stokely, Graham, Scheffler, Henry, and Young, that is a group of guys that will be wearing a ring after next season. Defense be damned. Get a DT in the 2nd, pick up some roleplayer FAs at LB, DT, and a S. The defense won't be elite, but it will be solid and will have some playmekers. A solid defense and an unstoppable offense will give us every chance to beat the Patriots and bring the Lombardi trophy to Denver.

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Makes sense the line would show some improvement as the current incarnation spent some time together. No other unit on a football team is more dependent on familiarity with the guy next to you. That said, we need to get bigger overall and we need to get better at OT. The interior line is in better shape long term, but I'm still glad they didn't have to deal with a healthy Albert Haynesworth last week.

[mrfabulous]

Guys, just picture this. Bring in Alan Faneca. Drafta stud OT in the 1st round. Picture this offensive line:

Lepsis---Faneca---Hamilton---Kuper/Holland---[1st Round Pick]

backed up by Harris, Myers, Pears, and the loser of the Kuper/Holland position battle. That line could make this a championship caliber offense. If you combine those hosses up front with Cutler, Walker, Marshall, Stokely, Graham, Scheffler, Henry, and Young, that is a group of guys that will be wearing a ring after next season. Defense be damned. Get a DT in the 2nd, pick up some roleplayer FAs at LB, DT, and a S. The defense won't be elite, but it will be solid and will have some playmekers. A solid defense and an unstoppable offense will give us every chance to beat the Patriots and bring the Lombardi trophy to Denver.

Here's a name that I haven't seen mentioned here- Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi, 6'5", 335. I just finished reading The Blind Side by Michael Lewis which is about this kid. Toward the end of the book I realized that he is still in college. Sure enough, Ole Miss was on TV vs LSU that day so I tuned in to see Oher play. It was only one game but my report to you is that he comes as advertised.

[HorseHead]

How 'bout a little love for my adopt-a-Bronco? You should see my boy's head, you could land planes on it....

What kind of milk are they drinking in North Dakaota?

[Inkana7]

How old is Faneca?

[Requiem]

How 'bout a little love for my adopt-a-Bronco? You should see my boy's head, you could land planes on it....

What kind of milk are they drinking in North Dakaota?

It ain't milk it's cum.

[Sassy]

It ain't milk it's cum.

Isn't this suppose to be a family board? :nono:

[Cito Pelon]

Your point is exactly what I see game to game. Yes there has been bad play calling at times but that has been in small proportion to the lack of execution. Come on Shanahan hasn't suddenly got stupid on us. We can second guess Shanahan all we want but when you look closely at the offensive line in the redzone, we have had many individual breakdowns where we have been physically manhandled. Its not hard to to tell because I have seen Pears, Myers, Kuper and even Lepsis pushed backwards or getting no forward movement. They are getting stood up at times. As Shanahan has stated about redzone woes, it usually only takes one breakdown.

Now for the appreciation. They are doing a MUCH better job of pass protection for Jay. They are RUN BLOCKING well OUTSIDE the RED ZONE. Why??? The defense is spread where the Zone Blocking schemes work much better. They are starting to cut back on the OL penalties which stymied a number of drives earlier.

I mentioned I would like a road grader Tackle over a pass blocking tackle. I meant to say more clearly is that I want someone who can clear out the guy in front of him. I don't see anyone on the current line that can consistently dominate his opponent. I want an investment in a high round draft pick used on the OL. I guess we will now hear about Foster.

Shanny has an excellent formula for winning games and Titles, but it depends on exact execution and scoring early. If that doesn't happen, he doesn't adjust well. He has some plays that he's sure will work, and even if they fail 3 times in a row he'll keep going back to them, but from different formations. Stubborn coach. It works against lesser talent, but you get to the playoffs where the talent and the coaching staffs are the best that year, and he gets smoked.

[Cito Pelon]

ExpatFan

I am right with you on the appreciation for the Oline. Yes I am biased a bit but I still feel they have been the most consistent unit on the team since the first game of the season. Putting aside Detroit where I felt the entire team self imploded, the Oline has been playing very well considering the changes they have endured so far. Its a young unit and its been getting better each game. No matter how well they play you won't see a lot of praise from the boards here. It seems they ( the posters ) just wait until they can point out bad plays and get on their case. Must be more fun to do. Shrugs.

Everyone has their own view of course and they are entitled to it. It is pretty sad that no matter how well they do play since all the changes have occured they still don't get much respect. What everyone seems to not look at is that the O line has not been blowing people off the line in the red zone for a couple years now. It didn't just start happening. Even with last years line the big " surge " within the red zone was not happening. There are a lot of plays that can be called in the red zone its not just about blowing the D line back for a RB to score. We have tons of weapons to use they just need their play called to make it happen. I still feel the Oline as it is now will become one of the great Denver lines. A little support would go a long way.

I'm happy to contribute. The O-line is looking pretty good lately. I remember saying "62Olinesdad and Kupesdad will be on pins and needles" before the Titan game because I thought the O-line would have to play well to win. The O-line played well.

[Requiem]

Isn't this suppose to be a family board? :nono:

I'm telling 'em like it is. It's called the Fargo-ho / I wanna Moorhead area for a reason! LOL Hilarious! :yayaya:

[Sassy]

I'm telling 'em like it is. It's called the Fargo-ho / I wanna Moorhead area for a reason! LOL Hilarious! :yayaya:

Not amused.

[Sassy]

Well, this used to be a good thread.

[azbroncfan]

But this line still needs help in the off-season. A free agent, not a draft pick is needed.

Who will be a decent FA OT? Usually they don't get out on the market.

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I don't appreciate them inside the five yard line.

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I hate them inside the five yard line.

[-Slap-]

Here we go again. First and goal from the five and they get shoved back three yards.

[dsmoot]

Here we go again. First and goal from the five and they get shoved back three yards.

Rewind tape, hit play. Our OL is not physical enough. We leave too many key points on the field that will ultimately take teams out of their game plan and into our hands. This was at the foundation of our success in 1998. That is why so many games were over early 3rd quarter and TD came out of the game. This is how we disquised a less than stellar defense in those days and how we put so much pressure on teams to come from behind.

This same scenario of 1998 is being replayed this year. However, it is being played in New England. That offensive line is physical and dominant anywhere on the field. So we will continue to lose some of those games we should have won and then get blown out by the elite teams.

[broncogary]

Still, it's obvious the roll-out plays work, and yet Shanny rarely uses them.

[bpc]

I'm fine with the interior line. I think we need better players on the edges. Lepsis is starting to decline with his age and injuries and Erik Pears should have never been a starter in this league. Low and behold, he gives up another two sacks today. The guy is horrible.