McClelland Says He Was Told To Lie About Plame

[Rohirrim]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

It's treason and nobody will do a damn thing about it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Former aide blames Bush for leak deceit

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20071120/capt.7243a3f38817458a94e40e1f21f7755a.cia_leak_mcc lellan_ny139.jpg?x=180&y=124&sig=Ofse72a0C66wGuaQZFVeAw--

By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 19 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan blames President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney for efforts to mislead the public about the role of White House aides in leaking the identity of a CIA operative.

In an excerpt from his forthcoming book, McClellan recounts the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were "not involved" in the leak involving operative Valerie Plame.

"There was one problem. It was not true," McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Tuesday. "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest-ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff and the president himself."

Bush's chief of staff at the time was Andrew Card.

The excerpt, posted on the Web site of publisher PublicAffairs, renews questions about what went on in the West Wing and how much Bush and Cheney knew about the leak. For years, it was McClellan's job to field — and often duck — those types of questions.

Now that he's spurring them, answers are equally hard to come by.

White House press secretary Dana Perino said it wasn't clear what McClellan meant in the excerpt. "The president has not and would not ask his spokespeople to pass on false information," she said.

McClellan turned down interview requests Tuesday.

Plame maintains the White House quietly outed her to reporters. Plame and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, said the leak was retribution for his public criticism of the Iraq war. The accusation dogged the administration and made Plame a cause celebre among many Democrats.

McClellan's book, "What Happened," isn't due out until April, and the excerpt released Monday was merely a teaser. It doesn't get into detail about how Bush and Cheney were involved or reveal what happened behind the scenes.

In the fall of 2003, after authorities began investigating the leak, McClellan told reporters that he'd personally spoken to Rove, who was Bush's top political adviser, and Libby, who was Cheney's chief of staff.

"They're good individuals, they're important members of our White House team, and that's why I spoke with them, so that I could come back to you and say that they were not involved," McClellan said at the time.

Both men, however, were involved. Rove was one of the original sources for the newspaper column that identified Plame. Libby also spoke to reporters about the CIA officer and was convicted of lying about those discussions. He is the only person to be charged in the case.

Since that news conference, however, the official White House stance has shifted and it has been difficult to get a clear picture of what happened behind closed doors around the time of the leak.

McClellan's flat denials gave way to a steady drumbeat of "no comment." And Bush's original pledge to fire anyone involved in the leak became a promise to fire anyone who "committed a crime."

In a CNN interview earlier this year, McClellan made no suggestion that Bush knew either Libby or Rove was involved in the leak. McClellan said his statements to reporters were what he and the president "believed to be true at the time based on assurances that we were both given."

Bush most recently addressed the issue in July after commuting Libby's 30-month prison term. He acknowledged that some in the White House were involved in the leak. Then, after repeatedly declining to discuss the ongoing investigation, he said the case was closed and it was time to move on.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071120/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_mcclellan

[Bronco Bob]

See dman, I told you Bush was involved in the Plame leak.
Now who is the hypocrite?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bush and his thugs have raped the country and most people don't give a damn (evidenced by the many Bush backers in this forum, like dman. Meck, Lone Bolt, etc... who usually deflect to Clinton or some stupid sh*t when this kind of evidence is brought out ).

[gunns]

"The president has not and would not ask his spokespeople to pass on false information," she said.


Oh, ok.

Like this was a shocking revelation....except to some on these boards.

[DenverBrit]

Then, after repeatedly declining to discuss the ongoing investigation, he said the case was closed and it was time to move on.



The Democrats need to grow a pair soon and call bull$hit on this blatant attempt at a cover up.
By any definition, if true, the Bush administration is guilty of Treason and lying to the American public.
Outing a CIA operative? How much more does Congress need before acting?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The Democrats need to grow a pair soon and call bull$hit on this blatant attempt at a cover up. By any definition, if true, the Bush administration is guilty of Treason and lying to the American public.
Outing a CIA operative? How much more does Congress need before acting?

+1 :thumbsup:

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"A new American Research Group poll finds that 64% of American voters say that Bush has abused his powers as president and 70% say that Cheney has abused his powers."

http://www.politicalwire.com/

[Rohirrim]

Can you even imagine what it would be like if this happened on Clinton's watch while Gingrich, Delay and Lott were in charge of Congress? It would be scorched earth.

The Dems go down in the history books as the most gutless wastes of space in the history of this union. This criminal Bush cabal committed treason in order to trick this country into an unnecessary war which has killed thousands of Americans, tens of thousands of Iraqis and bankrupted the United States. What is this worthless Congress going to do about it? Allow these guys to retire into their golden parachutes of energy company multi-millions.

I'll tell you one thing; The next breed of political criminals will learn from this and go even farther with their criminality than the Bush cabal ever dreamed. That's the way it works.

If there is no penalty, there is no crime.

Nancy Pelosi: "Impeachment is off the table."

[baja]

Can you even imagine what it would be like if this happened on Clinton's watch while Gingrich, Delay and Lott were in charge of Congress? It would be scorched earth.

The Dems go down in the history books as the most gutless wastes of space in the history of this union. This criminal Bush cabal committed treason in order to trick this country into an unnecessary war which has killed thousands of Americans, tens of thousands of Iraqis and bankrupted the United States. What is this worthless Congress going to do about it? Allow these guys to retire into their golden parachutes of energy company multi-millions.

I'll tell you one thing; The next breed of political criminals will learn from this and go even farther with their criminality than the Bush cabal ever dreamed. That's the way it works.

If there is no penalty, there is no crime.

Nancy Pelosi: "Impeachment is off the table."

Being an older American sometimes I feel like these past 7 years have been a dream and I will wake up soon.

What the hell happened to our country that we allow a Bush to do what he and his handlers have done without so much as a peep.

[defenseman]

See dman, I told you Bush was involved in the Plame leak.
Now who is the hypocrite?

Let the dust settle and let's see where it goes. If in fact, Pres. Bush and various members were involved with this, they deserve their just desserts. I certianly won't stand in the way of lawful action if the circumstances turn out as reported.........dman

[The Lone Bolt]

Bush and his thugs have raped the country and most people don't give a damn (evidenced by the many Bush backers in this forum, like dman. Meck, Lone Bolt, etc... who usually deflect to Clinton or some stupid sh*t when this kind of evidence is brought out ).

Jeez you simply point out that Bush may not necessarily be a liar and suddenly you're a "Bush supporter." ::)

I don't give a rat's butt about Bush or Cheney. If it can be proven in a court of law that he lied then by all means send him up the river. All I have ever supported is that Bush have his day in court before judgment is passed on him. How unreasonable of me.

[defenseman]

Jeez you simply point out that Bush may not necessarily be a liar and suddenly you're a "Bush supporter." ::)

I don't give a rat's butt about Bush or Cheney. If it can be proven in a court of law that he lied then by all means send him up the river. All I have ever supported is that Bush have his day in court before judgment is passed on him. How unreasonable of me.

Don't worry lonebolt, that's just BB spouting off about how "he and others" really feel. They live to deflect. As you and I both stated let the law take it's course, if it's so, so be it. In reality, they are the ones who would never take the "let it take it's course" position. They deflect, they condemn prior to anyone getting a word in edge wise, a mirror image of the media. They survive off of failure, and ensure the members of their party who fail are spun to come off as "victims", not the failures they really are. I'll bet almost to a person they'll all say the surge isn't working also. Hmmm...tell that to the folks in baghdad, hilarious. Pretty funny actually, they truly are the "do as I say, not as I do" crowd.......relax and enjoy the show...dman

[Rohirrim]

Don't worry lonebolt, that's just BB spouting off about how "he and others" really feel. They live to deflect. As you and I both stated let the law take it's course, if it's so, so be it. In reality, they are the ones who would never take the "let it take it's course" position. They deflect, they condemn prior to anyone getting a word in edge wise, a mirror image of the media. They survive off of failure, and ensure the members of their party who fail are spun to come off as "victims", not the failures they really are. I'll bet almost to a person they'll all say the surge isn't working also. Hmmm...tell that to the folks in baghdad, hilarious. Pretty funny actually, they truly are the "do as I say, not as I do" crowd.......relax and enjoy the show...dman

In effect, what you are saying is, "If my party commits treason and gets away with it (because the opposing party is too gutless to do anything about it) then it's all good."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Jeez you simply point out that Bush may not necessarily be a liar and suddenly you're a "Bush supporter." ::)


Yeah, what was he thinking?

No way anyone could mistake you for a Bush supporter.

Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Can you even imagine what it would be like if this happened on Clinton's watch while Gingrich, Delay and Lott were in charge of Congress? It would be scorched earth.

The Dems go down in the history books as the most gutless wastes of space in the history of this union. This criminal Bush cabal committed treason in order to trick this country into an unnecessary war which has killed thousands of Americans, tens of thousands of Iraqis and bankrupted the United States. What is this worthless Congress going to do about it? Allow these guys to retire into their golden parachutes of energy company multi-millions.

I'll tell you one thing; The next breed of political criminals will learn from this and go even farther with their criminality than the Bush cabal ever dreamed. That's the way it works.

If there is no penalty, there is no crime.

Nancy Pelosi: "Impeachment is off the table."

One of WJC's biggest mistakes when he first took office was to let these crooks live to fight another day by dropping the whole matter of Poppy's Iran-Contra pardons and crimes.

[Spider]

Jeez you simply point out that Bush may not necessarily be a liar and suddenly you're a "Bush supporter." ::)

I don't give a rat's butt about Bush or Cheney. If it can be proven in a court of law that he lied then by all means send him up the river. All I have ever supported is that Bush have his day in court before judgment is passed on him. How unreasonable of me.

LOL you should change your name to Love Bush's Bolt ... you got your head so far up Bush's ass he has to fart just to give you fresh air

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL you should change your name to Love Bush's Bolt ... you got your head so far up Bush's ass he has to fart just to give you fresh air

ROFL! ^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

All The President's Liars: Where the Hell are The Washington Post and New York Times on McClellangate?!

Do the investigative reporters at the Washington Post and New York Times fall under the Writers Guild Contract? Are Bernstein and Woodward too busy in makeup? Can the WGA and Producers get together and give satirical news an exemption?

While the Writers Strike keeps The Daily Show from cleverly pointing out the obvious, The Washington Post and New York Times ignore the obvious altogether.

We've been lied to by this White House.

Who says? Scott McClellan, the guy who was paid to lie for the guys who lied in the first place.

Of course, if he really wanted to bare his soul he would have let Helen Thomas write the foreword of "What Happened: Was I Lying Then Or Am I Lying Now?"

Point is, other than blogs and the Keith Olbermann network - and the Writers Strike continuing to keep Jon Stewart, Bill Maher and Stephen Colbert on the sidelines - we're left with the right to spin an insider story of a White House coverup.

The so-called liberal Mainstream Media? Try to find the McClellan revelation in todays liberal bastions, Washington Post or the New York Times.

Wonder if Howard Kurtz will wonder how his print employer, the one that was Ben Bradlee's once proud publication during Watergate, could have been missed what should be a blockbuster tale of deception of the American people at the very highest level.

The McClellan story may not be the smoking gun that leads to impeachment, but it could unlock the inner-workings of a White House who doesn't trust the American people with the truth and sees the betrayal of a covert CIA spy as acceptable politics. And that's not worth of a mention?

That's not to say that the broadcast's Lords of Loud won't cover McClellan's story.

Bill O'Reilly: It's a non-story. I said so in "Culture Warrior", now out in paperback.

Sean Hannity: Vince Foster, Kathleen Willey, Could have had bin Laden on a silver platter.

Mark Levin: McClellan is a brownshirt of the Clinton crime family.

Sean Hannity: George Soros, Moveon.org, I did not have sex with that woman...

Rush Limbaugh: So, McClellan is a proven liar. Why would we believe anything he says?

Sean Hannity: ACLU, New York Times, Human effect on global warming a sham

Michelle Malkin: Why is hell is Ingraham sitting in for Bill?

And The Washington Post?

(Cricket sound here)

If Ben Bradlee were dead he'd be spinning in his grave.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/11161

[DenverBrit]

Jeez you simply point out that Bush may not necessarily be a liar and suddenly you're a "Bush supporter." ::)

I don't give a rat's butt about Bush or Cheney. If it can be proven in a court of law that he lied then by all means send him up the river. All I have ever supported is that Bush have his day in court before judgment is passed on him. How unreasonable of me.

Try that approach in a Travis Henry thread and see what happens. :clown:

[DenverBrit]

+1 :thumbsup:

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Wikopedia has some interesting entries on the Bush association with the Nazis.....kind of like the association they have with the Saudi Royals.
The White House has become a family business....in every sense.
Wake me when someone gets elected and actually represents the voters and the country. It's all become very Third World.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wikopedia has some interesting entries on the Bush association with the Nazis.....kind of like the association they have with the Saudi Royals.
The White House has become a family business....in every sense.
Wake me when someone gets elected and actually represents the voters and the country. It's all become very Third World.

Yep. The Bush family fortune was built on trading with the enemy (Nazis) during WWII.

[SoCalBronco]

Try that approach in a Travis Henry thread and see what happens. :clown:

Haha

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Don't worry lonebolt, that's just BB spouting off about how "he and others" really feel. Uh, no sh*t?

They live to deflect. You're so full of horse manure at times you have no idea how to dissimulate information or facts when it's your party that's involved. You even completely make up sh*t at times (I've had to call you on that numerous times) so don't give me no horse crap on "deflecting".

As you and I both stated let the law take it's course, if it's so, so be it. In reality, they are the ones who would never take the "let it take it's course" position. They deflect, they condemn prior to anyone getting a word in edge wise, a mirror image of the media. They survive off of failure, and ensure the members of their party who fail are spun to come off as "victims", not the failures they really are. I'll bet almost to a person they'll all say the surge isn't working also. Hmmm...tell that to the folks in baghdad, hilarious. Pretty funny actually, they truly are the "do as I say, not as I do" crowd.......relax and enjoy the show...dmanAnd what is all that ranting about?

BTW, did you find a nuclear power plant to hire you yet (you know, one of the ones that they just built)?

[defenseman]

Uh, no sh*t?
You're so full of horse manure at times you have no idea how to dissimulate information or facts when it's your party that's involved. You even completely make up sh*t at times (I've had to call you on that numerous times) so don't give me no horse crap on "deflecting".
And what is all that ranting about?

BTW, did you find a nuclear power plant to hire you yet (you know, one of the ones that they just built)?

2 standing offers on the table so far, I've made no decision as of yet...dman

[Bronco Bob]

I'll bet almost to a person they'll all say the surge isn't working also. Hmmm...tell that to the folks in baghdad, hilarious. Pretty funny actually, they truly are the "do as I say, not as I do" crowd.......relax and enjoy the show...dman

Maybe they say the surge isn't working because the surge failed to achieve it's primary purpose. Bushies like to tout that the violence is down. But in reality the violence is down only because the violence was so horrendous earlier this year and has now fallen back to the 2006 level of violence. So what kind of progress is that, to be back the where we were back in 2006?

But the purpose of the surge was not more "military success" but political stability. As Matt Yglesias notes:

"...its goal was to create an improvement in the security situation in Baghdad which (it was hypothesized) was the necessary precondition for a political resolution to Iraq's fundamental conflicts. The surge was tried, and American casualties went up and violence stayed at the same level and then violence declined and then US casualties decline and then it turned out that the surge had failed and the political situation was the same as it had been at the beginning."

So what's the goal now? Instead of actual political progress the new goal is... convincing everyone political progress is being made.

I am not making this up.

Here's how an article in the New York Times describes it:

"Instead, administration officials say they are focusing their immediate efforts on several more limited but achievable goals in the hope of convincing Iraqis, foreign governments and Americans that progress is being made toward the political breakthroughs that the military campaign of the past 10 months was supposed to promote."

How much lower can the bar get? Though, on the upside, maybe the Bush administration will strike oil as it digs lower and lower to move the bar.

Now the surge was apparently implemented so "American officials" could focus on "pragmatic goals like helping the Iraqi government spend the money in its budget."

That's right: our new definition of success in Iraq is helping the Iraqi government spend money.

So as you see the administration and the GOP presidential candidates give high fives to each other and declare "mission accomplished" this week because only 30-50 American soldiers are being killed every month, it's worth remembering (because the media have apparently already forgotten) that the purpose of the surge was never military. Opponents of the surge were not skeptical that it would pay military dividends. They were skeptical that the surge would magically translate into political success.

But, of course, war supporters are off the hook, because every four years one of them comes out to tell the American people that Iraq is going to be "a long, hard slog."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So what's the goal now?

Same as it always was:

Iraq to offer U.S. deal to stay longer

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071126/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us

[Rohirrim]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of
the senior-most aides in the White House: Rove and Libby. There was one problem. It was not true. I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved: Rove, Libby, Vheney, Andy Card and the president himself."

- Excerpt from Scott McClellan's book

http://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/publicaffairsbooks-cgi-bin/display?book=9781586485566&view=excerpt



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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Maybe they say the surge isn't working because the surge failed to achieve it's primary purpose. Bushies like to tout that the violence is down. But in reality the violence is down only because the violence was so horrendous earlier this year and has now fallen back to the 2006 level of violence.

Also on that note:

About those 7000 families returning to Baghdad....

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki hails the "return" of "7,000 families" to Baghdad as proof positive that the "surge" is working, but the reality is that, as Juan Cole points out, the many tens of thousandswho fled to Syria are now being forced by the Syrian government to leave, which explains the great "return."

They're being kicked out of Damascus, and they're not allowed into the U.S.,
so where else are they supposed to go?

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11930

[TailgateNut]

Also on that note:

About those 7000 families returning to Baghdad....

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki hails the "return" of "7,000 families" to Baghdad as proof positive that the "surge" is working, but the reality is that, as Juan Cole points out, the many tens of thousandswho fled to Syria are now being forced by the Syrian government to leave, which explains the great "return."

They're being kicked out of Damascus, and they're not allowed into the U.S.,
so where else are they supposed to go?

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11930


How dare you discount the Rightee RAHRAHRAH comments about how the surge has influenced them to return to their destroyed homes!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Meck77]

Bush and his thugs have raped the country and most people don't give a damn (evidenced by the many Bush backers in this forum, like dman. Meck, Lone Bolt, etc... who usually deflect to Clinton or some stupid sh*t when this kind of evidence is brought out ).

Don't give a damn about the pillaging of our country? You were defending the bailout and the pillaging of this country fool. I'm outraged that Obama, Mccain, and our congress sold the American people out.

I've always maintained that Bush was a pawn and now Obama is clearly carrying the torch for the federal reserve and the criminals that own it.

[barryr]

People are still on this kick? When the NY Times outs CIA operations overseas, I don't see near the hysteria. Plame was a paper shuffler and only idiots try to make her more important than she really was.

Besides, it was Armitage that was the leaker, that has already been established and the only reason the idiots on the left aren't interested in getting him and wanting it to be bigger is because he was against troops going into Iraq. So he's one of their boys. So this nonsense of some big conspiracy is just a bunch of BS and so is this phony ring for justice. Justice would be if these morons couldn't reproduce.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

People are still on this kick? When the NY Times outs CIA operations overseas, I don't see near the hysteria. Plame was a paper shuffler and only idiots try to make her more important than she really was.

Besides, it was Armitage that was the leaker, that has already been established and the only reason the idiots on the left aren't interested in getting him and wanting it to be bigger is because he was against troops going into Iraq. So he's one of their boys. So this nonsense of some big conspiracy is just a bunch of BS and so is this phony ring for justice. Justice would be if these morons couldn't reproduce.

You're still a retard. :oyvey:

Had Plame been just a "paper shuffler" and not a covert operative then there would have been no investigation.