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DomCasual
11-20-2007, 02:14 PM
Holliday a close second.

That's dumb.

Jori
11-20-2007, 02:48 PM
No surprise and personally I'm more upset about Tulo being shutout of the GG and ROY.

crush17
11-20-2007, 03:08 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/11/20/rollins.nlmvp.ap/index.html


That is the biggest effing pile of HORSE SH1T I've ever seen.

bronco militia
11-20-2007, 03:11 PM
the vote was befroe the playoffs....we were all warned this was going to happen

Garcia Bronco
11-20-2007, 03:11 PM
So what...it's baseball....and baseball don't matter. Besides it's a worthless award because it's based on the opinions of sports writers...the most worthless people on the planet next to Congress. Matt knows he is good at what he does...and really...that's all that does matter

Bronco LB 59
11-20-2007, 03:11 PM
Rollins might not have been the best shortstop in his own division this year.

Jason in LA
11-20-2007, 03:13 PM
sports writers...the most worthless people on the planet next to Congress.

Hey, I am offended by that remark. ;D

crush17
11-20-2007, 03:13 PM
So what...it's baseball....and baseball don't matter. Besides it's a worthless award because it's based on the opinions of sports writers...the most worthless people on the planet next to Congress. Matt knows he is good at what he does...and really...that's all that does matter


well aren't you just the negative nancy....

Paladin
11-20-2007, 03:15 PM
Yeah, well, the Eastern Media. (Denver hating) ESPN and the lack of National exposure wipes out any chance for the Rockies to get any of the recognition they deserve. Be assured, though, the NL have heard of the Rockies........

Flex Gunmetal
11-20-2007, 03:16 PM
How did Tulo not get ROY?
Oh ya, cause jackasses make decisions like these.

Crushaholic
11-20-2007, 03:16 PM
I had to click the link to figure out who Matt Holliday was and why he was being discussed. With that, I'll leave the thread and let the mods do their job...:thumbs:

BMF Bronco
11-20-2007, 03:16 PM
****ing bull****! **** these piece of **** mother ****ing east coast bias douche bags!!!!!!!

Bronco LB 59
11-20-2007, 03:19 PM
Rollins wasn't even the best shortstop in his own division.

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-Slap-
11-20-2007, 03:22 PM
BA: .340 to .296, Holliday
OBP: .405 to .344, Holliday
SLG: .607 to .531, Holliday
OPS: 1.012 to .875, Holliday
Hits: 216 to 212, Holliday
HR: 36 to 30, Holliday
RBI: 137 to 94, Holliday
SB: 41 to 11, Rollins
R: 139 to 120, Rollins
2B: 50 to 38, Holliday
3B: 20 to 6, Rollins

Garcia Bronco
11-20-2007, 03:22 PM
Hey, I am offended by that remark. ;D

:)...How long have you been in Congress?

Garcia Bronco
11-20-2007, 03:23 PM
well aren't you just the negative nancy....

My bad. We all know he should have won it. :)

Billy Clyde Puckett
11-20-2007, 03:27 PM
East coast bias is not a figment of our imaginations.

Jason in LA
11-20-2007, 03:41 PM
:)...How long have you been in Congress?


If I ever ran for congress somebody would send a link to the press showing them all the photos that I posted in the Speaking of Butts thread.

Garcia Bronco
11-20-2007, 03:42 PM
If I ever ran for congress somebody would send a link to the press showing them all the photos that I posted in the Speaking of Butts thread.

I would take the bullet for your administration

Hotrod
11-20-2007, 04:01 PM
BA: .340 to .296, Holliday
OBP: .405 to .344, Holliday
SLG: .607 to .531, Holliday
OPS: 1.012 to .875, Holliday
Hits: 216 to 212, Holliday
HR: 36 to 30, Holliday
RBI: 137 to 94, Holliday
SB: 41 to 11, Rollins
R: 139 to 120, Rollins
2B: 50 to 38, Holliday
3B: 20 to 6, Rollins

This pretty much sums it up

BMF Bronco
11-20-2007, 04:06 PM
here's a blog I threw on myspace...

It first happened right after the World series with the none of the Rockies getting awarded a golden glove award. Um, newsflash, THEY WERE THE BEST FIELDING TEAM IN MAJOR LEAGUE HISTORY!!!!!!!! It is a travesty that not one of them were awarded one.

The Second incident was Troy Tulowitzki not winning the Rookie of the Year. Some douche bag from Milwaukee won it. This douche bag had over 25 errors in less than 120 games, where conversley, Tulo had less than 10 in 162 games! It was the closest ROY race since 1980, when the current format was instilled.

Last and finally, the biggest slap in the face was not giving Matt Holliday the NL MVP. He won the batting title, hitting .340, had most runs batted in, becoming the first player in over 40 years to lead in both categories, he also led the league in hits, total bases, and doubles. Oh yeah, not to mention scored the winning run by hitting a triple and then scoring on the insuing hit in the one game playoff to win the wildcard. Who won you ask? Jimmy Rollins, from the Phillies, yes, the same phillies who got swept by the Rockies in three games!

Not only is this a smack in the face to each of these individuals, it is also a smack in the face to the city of Denver, the state of Colorado and all of her fans! This East Coast bias that the sports writers exhibit is ridiculous and needs to stop.

You dont need to forward this on, you dont need to repost it, you dont need to do a damn thing with it, I just wanted to get out my frustrations and needed to vent.

thanks for your time,
Jeff

Paladin
11-20-2007, 04:17 PM
So. Did anyone agree with you?

Binkythefrog
11-20-2007, 04:22 PM
Being a diehard Rockies fan, I was more disappointed with Tulo not winning the ROY.

Holliday's road/home splits weren't as good as Rollins and Rollins plays a more demanding position. If you take Rollins away from the Phillies, they are a vastly different team. If you take Holliday away from the Rockies they are a different team, but the Rockies had Atkins and Hawpe and Helton to maybe pickup some of the slack.

Tulo losing the ROY was a joke, since Braun missed two months of the year and still committed the most errors in the majors.

Its crazy how in the ROY they gave the award to the more offensive player/terrible fielding over the great fielding/good hitting player, and in the MVP they gave the award to the good fielding/hitting player over the average fielding/awesome hitter.

Dumb writers.

Ray Finkle
11-20-2007, 04:34 PM
Ignore the stats, Rollins had the better season....he was more valuable to his team.

RhymesayersDU
11-20-2007, 04:38 PM
You know, I realize that a lot of teams that win games, have success, etc often times don't have individual stars and accolades. Often times, they are simply great teams.

But no gold glovers for the best fielding team in MLB history? No ROY for Tulo? No Coach Of The Year for Hurdle? No MVP For Holliday?

The Rockies got hosed, BIG TIME.

Kaylore
11-20-2007, 04:40 PM
East coast bias is not a figment of our imaginations.

Yes. It's just the way it is. Most of it is subconscious but in certain instances there are cases where they'll be damned if they give an award to a team west of the Mississippi.

-Slap-
11-20-2007, 04:49 PM
Being a diehard Rockies fan, I was more disappointed with Tulo not winning the ROY.

Holliday's road/home splits weren't as good as Rollins and Rollins plays a more demanding position. If you take Rollins away from the Phillies, they are a vastly different team. If you take Holliday away from the Rockies they are a different team, but the Rockies had Atkins and Hawpe and Helton to maybe pickup some of the slack.

Tulo losing the ROY was a joke, since Braun missed two months of the year and still committed the most errors in the majors.

Its crazy how in the ROY they gave the award to the more offensive player/terrible fielding over the great fielding/good hitting player, and in the MVP they gave the award to the good fielding/hitting player over the average fielding/awesome hitter.

Dumb writers.

The Rockies won 21 out of 22 games down the stretch and Holliday batted .367 with 12 homers, 30 RBI and 29 runs scored in September. He also batted .429 with four bombs and eight RBI in Rollins' bandbox of a stadium, with two more bombs there while the Rocks rolled Philly in three straight.

Typical east coast media bias bull****.

Rollins pulled off quite the post season triple crown: He was handed Tulo's Gold Glove, he was handed Hanley's Silver Slugger and he was handed Holliday's MVP.

go_broncos
11-20-2007, 05:06 PM
Wow..you guys still care abt that sport...

BMF Bronco
11-20-2007, 05:09 PM
Wow..you guys still care abt that sport...

No we still care about our Rockies!

Drek
11-20-2007, 05:13 PM
The Rockies won 21 out of 22 games down the stretch and Holliday batted .367 with 12 homers, 30 RBI and 29 runs scored in September. He also batted .429 with four bombs and eight RBI in Rollins' bandbox of a stadium, with two more bombs there while the Rocks rolled Philly in three straight.
Typical east coast media bias bull****.

Rollins pulled off quite the post season triple crown: He was handed Tulo's Gold Glove, he was handed Hanley's Silver Slugger and he was handed Holliday's MVP.

Votes have to be in before the playoffs start so its imaterial who did what in the playoffs.

Holliday v. Rollins is a valid argument for either side. I'm sure the standard logic behind picking Rollins over Holliday is that Holliday had the benefit of Coors (most sports reporters seem unaware that Philly is the #2 offensive ballpark in baseball) and that he's a corner OF with only ok fielding skills. Rollins isn't nearly the hitter, but he was still a premier hitter in the NL and he was arguably the best baserunner and defensive SS in all of baseball. His team also won their division while the Rockies needed a hot September just to get a playoff game with SD.

I think the last fact is particularly important because as I said, ballots need to be in by the end of the regular season. So all those writters who don't believe in giving MVP to a player on a non-playoff team wasn't assured that Holliday met such criteria. I think this was a big blow against him as well.

Braun getting ROY over Tulo is stupid though. Thats a very good reason for bitching. He hit marginally better but played in 40 less games and was a defensive butcher while Tulo is a future GG.

TomServo
11-20-2007, 05:39 PM
Wow..you guys still care abt that sport...

not so much the sport as our home team and its players.
im not as disapointed because i could see all this crap coming a mile away. no gold glovers no roy and now the trifecta..no mvp.
we get screwed annualy by the football hof voters,why should baseball be and different?
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MechanicalBull
11-20-2007, 05:44 PM
Shouldn't the MVP have gone to Willie Randolph and the Mets for blowing that size of lead in the division and giving Rollins and the Phills the division? ;D or maybe Tom Glavine

Kaylore
11-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Rollins is this year's Dirk Nowitzki ROFL!

vailitaliano319
11-20-2007, 05:50 PM
East coast bias is not a figment of our imaginations.
Really? If it is a figment of our imagination why did the Rockies (best percentage wise defense in the HISTORY of the game not have a single gold golver? Tulo had defensively the best ever rookie season as a SS, ELEVEN errors, he was the opening day starter. Jimmy Rollins, David Wright and Derek ****ing Lee... well lets see thats New York, Philadelphia and Chicago, those are much bigger markets and there is a bias. In my opinion the Rockies could have had up to 3 Gold Glovers, Atkins, Tulo and Helton, but I guess having the best fielding team ever doesn't count for much.

BMF Bronco
11-20-2007, 06:00 PM
he said it's not a figment but you're exaclty right.

-Slap-
11-20-2007, 06:04 PM
Votes have to be in before the playoffs start so its imaterial who did what in the playoffs.

Holliday v. Rollins is a valid argument for either side. I'm sure the standard logic behind picking Rollins over Holliday is that Holliday had the benefit of Coors (most sports reporters seem unaware that Philly is the #2 offensive ballpark in baseball) and that he's a corner OF with only ok fielding skills. Rollins isn't nearly the hitter, but he was still a premier hitter in the NL and he was arguably the best baserunner and defensive SS in all of baseball. His team also won their division while the Rockies needed a hot September just to get a playoff game with SD.

I think the last fact is particularly important because as I said, ballots need to be in by the end of the regular season. So all those writters who don't believe in giving MVP to a player on a non-playoff team wasn't assured that Holliday met such criteria. I think this was a big blow against him as well.

Braun getting ROY over Tulo is stupid though. Thats a very good reason for b****ing. He hit marginally better but played in 40 less games and was a defensive butcher while Tulo is a future GG.

Nobody said post season stats count. I was just pointing out Philly's ballpark is nearly as offensively tilted as Coors. I'm sure plenty of hacks tried to give Rollins the big edge on defense.

Braun over Tulo was ridiculous, but to say Braun hit marginally better is inaccurate. Braun was a beast at the plate and he stole bases, too. This should have been counterbalanced by Tulo's Gold Glove deserving defense, though. You have to go back to Butch Hobson's rookie season to find a third baseman who played defense as poorly as Braun. You have to go back to about 1920 to find anybody worse.

Ray Finkle
11-20-2007, 06:04 PM
Rollins plays at a prime defensive postion (and plays it well), Holliday plays LF, where slow infields go to die....


Really folks, Tutz, yes the Rockies were robbed there but this was pretty much the right call.

-Slap-
11-20-2007, 06:08 PM
Rollins plays at a prime defensive postion (and plays it well), Holliday plays LF, where slow infields go to die....


Really folks, Tutz, yes the Rockies were robbed there but this was pretty much the right call.

If you can't even get the names (or nicknames) of the Rockies players right, how can you say who's qualified to win what?

Paladin
11-20-2007, 06:08 PM
Rollins plays at a prime defensive postion (and plays it well), Holliday plays LF, where slow infields go to die....


Really folks, Tutz, yes the Rockies were robbed there but this was pretty much the right call.

That blows. Read the stats again. Rollins looked like duck soup in the Phillies series.....

vailitaliano319
11-20-2007, 06:11 PM
he said it's not a figment but you're exaclty right.

yeah i ****ed that one up... but yeah I do think Im right, look at the numbers, and its mind boggling, and ROY Im so ticked about that I dont even care to bring it up

Ray Finkle
11-20-2007, 06:14 PM
If you can't even get the names (or nicknames) of the Rockies players right, how can you say who's qualified to win what?

not a rockies fan so why would I care about getting his nickname right? Do you get all the nicknames right for the Faiders?

vailitaliano319
11-20-2007, 06:17 PM
Nobody said post season stats count. I was just pointing out Philly's ballpark is nearly as offensively tilted as Coors. I'm sure plenty of hacks tried to give Rollins the big edge on defense.

Braun over Tulo was ridiculous, but to say Braun hit marginally better is inaccurate. Braun was a beast at the plate and he stole bases, too. This should have been counterbalanced by Tulo's Gold Glove deserving defense, though. You have to go back to Butch Hobson's rookie season to find a third baseman who played defense as poorly as Braun. You have to go back to about 1920 to find anybody worse.

I couldn't agree with you more, what did he have like 33 errors in FORTY less games, he was far and away the worst defensive 3rd basemen in ALL of baseball...for as much as people talk about how good he was offensively, not being called up till the 25th of May, why do you not hear anything about his D?

Ray Finkle
11-20-2007, 06:18 PM
That blows. Read the stats again. Rollins looked like duck soup in the Phillies series.....

Let me get this right, you are saying that Rollins looked like crap in one series in the Post Season (which doesn't count for the voting)?

Billy Clyde Puckett
11-20-2007, 06:26 PM
Rollins plays at a prime defensive postion (and plays it well), Holliday plays LF, where slow infields go to die....


Really folks, Tutz, yes the Rockies were robbed there but this was pretty much the right call.

Finkle is from the EAST COAST - a pox on him!!! ;D

Ray Finkle
11-20-2007, 06:27 PM
Finkle is from the EAST COAST - a pox on him!!! ;D

shh....not so loud:~ohyah!: I'll lose my street cred

Dukes
11-20-2007, 06:38 PM
The most rediculous thing about all of this is Brian Braun was voted ROY because of his offensive stats alone. Yet Jimmy Rollins was voted MVP because he was a better "all around" player than Matt Holliday. Talk about hipocracy and a double standard of the highest order.

Paladin
11-20-2007, 06:50 PM
not a rockies fan so why would I care about getting his nickname right? Do you get all the nicknames right for the Faiders?

YES!!!

Sleepy, Dopey, Doc, Sneezy, Grumpy, Bashful, Happy...


And FEDELBAUM!!!!!

Paladin
11-20-2007, 06:53 PM
Let me get this right, you are saying that Rollins looked like crap in one series in the Post Season (which doesn't count for the voting)?

Since it has been stated so many times, I am aware that the post-season "doesn't count" tor the biased East Coast Potentates of Mediocre Media and their minions. Game in and Game out, Holliday was the MVP and TULO mad incredible plays look common place.


So there!!!!

phillybroncosnut
11-20-2007, 08:37 PM
Wow.... So bitter. Guess I would be wasting time posting here since it will obviously fall on deaf ears.

Ray Finkle
11-20-2007, 10:36 PM
Wow.... So bitter. Guess I would be wasting time posting here since it will obviously fall on deaf ears.

not on me but I am on the east coast too.....

BMF Bronco
11-21-2007, 11:03 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7470516?forum_key=StoryComments&topic_key=7470516

an actual sports writer who has it at least partially right!

phillybroncosnut
11-21-2007, 08:35 PM
not on me but I am on the east coast too.....

Oh yeah.... East coast bias:spit: . What a joke!

I'll be brief here but you know what I think was a major factor? Rollins saying in the pre season that the "Phillies were the team to beat in the NL East". He said it publically, then backed it up publically.
That and also the fact that he is the only player in Major league history to go 30,30,30 (Doubles, homers, and Steals). Also only the fourth player to go 20,20,20,20 (HR's, Doubles, Triples, Steals). Add all that offense with the fact he is the best defensive SS in the NL. Add to that that the Phils never missed a beat when Rowand went down for 3 weeks, Utley for 5 weeks, Howard for 5 weeks, Hamels 6 weeks and Myers 10 weeks. Whats that equal?


MVP

vailitaliano319
11-22-2007, 12:10 AM
I actually WILL BE BRIEF...

Willie Mayes Hayes, I mean Jimmy Rollins was a legitimate winner for MVP. I hope that Chase Utley wins it next year, and you guys finish 3rd in the NL East. Ill take an NL Pennant over an MVP every year... as far as SS is concerned, well Ill let the 7-10 that Tulo will win in his career to speak for themselves, congrats on a gold glove, MVP (2 years in a row) and NOTHING to show for it!

phillybroncosnut
11-22-2007, 01:29 AM
Hey Paizan.... When did this become Phillies vs Rockies?

As predicted my many, it was an extremely close race. Could have went either way. Rollins 1, Holliday 2, or Holliday 1 Rollins 2. I actually went the cop out road and said they should have split the MVP. It's been done before. It's ashame that someone went home without the hardware since both were so deserving.
I would like to know how many games you actually watched of the Phillies this year besides the playoff series and when the Rockies played them in the reg season 6 times? You can't look at stats and make a decision.

I'll give you one very respected baseball minds opinion..... When asked at the end of the season, who he would vote for for MVP this person answered, (I am paraphrasing) If you are going strictly on offense, Matt Holliday hands down. However, if we are talking all around, defense, speed, power, clutch hitting, produces runs, quarterback of the defense and plays the hardest position in the field, I would vote for Jimmy Rollins.
That was said by Bobby Cox, future MLB Hall of Famer.
That is only one guys opinion but, he pretty much nailed it.

If Tulo wins 7-10 GG, I commend you for your predicting the future abilities. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans right now though. The Phillies and Rox had great seasons, seasons that both cities enjoyed incredibly. Nothing will wipe the smiles off Phillies fans faces then helping the Mets completely collapse. We have the best all around infield in the NL locked up for the next 4 seasons. Howard is the only one that can walk in 4 years. Our core is locked in. Myers, Hamels, Howard, Utley, Rollins. As a Rox fan, just pray that you can say the same this time next season.
You better hope Jeter stays for a few more years or Tulo will be winning those GG in Boston or NY.

I congradulate you on your NL Pennant. Great year for you. Just try not to be so damn bitter towards others beacause those awards obviously meant the world to you.

Dukes
11-22-2007, 01:04 PM
Add all that offense with the fact he is the best defensive SS in the NL.


MVP

Are you serious? You can't be, can you? Surely someone would actually do research before saying that.

vailitaliano319
11-22-2007, 01:57 PM
Hey Paizan.... When did this become Phillies vs Rockies?

As predicted my many, it was an extremely close race. Could have went either way. Rollins 1, Holliday 2, or Holliday 1 Rollins 2. I actually went the cop out road and said they should have split the MVP. It's been done before. It's ashame that someone went home without the hardware since both were so deserving.
I would like to know how many games you actually watched of the Phillies this year besides the playoff series and when the Rockies played them in the reg season 6 times? You can't look at stats and make a decision.

I'll give you one very respected baseball minds opinion..... When asked at the end of the season, who he would vote for for MVP this person answered, (I am paraphrasing) If you are going strictly on offense, Matt Holliday hands down. However, if we are talking all around, defense, speed, power, clutch hitting, produces runs, quarterback of the defense and plays the hardest position in the field, I would vote for Jimmy Rollins.
That was said by Bobby Cox, future MLB Hall of Famer.
That is only one guys opinion but, he pretty much nailed it.

If Tulo wins 7-10 GG, I commend you for your predicting the future abilities. It doesn't amount to a hill of beans right now though. The Phillies and Rox had great seasons, seasons that both cities enjoyed incredibly. Nothing will wipe the smiles off Phillies fans faces then helping the Mets completely collapse. We have the best all around infield in the NL locked up for the next 4 seasons. Howard is the only one that can walk in 4 years. Our core is locked in. Myers, Hamels, Howard, Utley, Rollins. As a Rox fan, just pray that you can say the same this time next season.
You better hope Jeter stays for a few more years or Tulo will be winning those GG in Boston or NY.

I congradulate you on your NL Pennant. Great year for you. Just try not to be so damn bitter towards others beacause those awards obviously meant the world to you.

I actually was at all 3 of the games in Denver (two of which were ridiculous rain storms) and my best friend is from Chestnut Hill so believe me, I know what Im talking about with regard to the Phills as he WILL NOT SHUT UP about them from April till usually late September. Bobby Cox, a man whose opinion has to be respected, never the less, he is a manager of a team in your division.

lex
11-22-2007, 07:53 PM
And another award goes to someone else because not enough voters stay up late enough to see Holliday play.

phillybroncosnut
11-23-2007, 06:18 PM
Are you serious? You can't be, can you? Surely someone would actually do research before saying that.


Research? 182 Phillies games watched and 100's of other games watched on MLB package via comcast. Add to that 28 years of playing and coaching the game. Don't like my research? How about a bunch of voters around the country who voted the same as my opinion and gave Jimmy the Gold Glove at SS this year.
That enough for you or are your purple glasses blinding the obvious?

phillybroncosnut
11-23-2007, 06:20 PM
I actually was at all 3 of the games in Denver (two of which were ridiculous rain storms) and my best friend is from Chestnut Hill so believe me, I know what Im talking about with regard to the Phills as he WILL NOT SHUT UP about them from April till usually late September. Bobby Cox, a man whose opinion has to be respected, never the less, he is a manager of a team in your division.

That rain storm where all the Phillies helped the Rockies ground crew while the Rockies players were nowhere to be found? That was actually comical.

You have to watch the game, not get opinions from your friend in CH. Did you watch?

phillybroncosnut
11-23-2007, 06:21 PM
And another award goes to someone else because not enough voters stay up late enough to see Holliday play.

I don't know the breakdown in numbers but there are voters in every city that has MLB.