Have I ever mentioned how much I love the Jagwads?

[Taco John]

Go Freaking Jagwads!

[elsid13]

Freaking Bandwagoneer ;D

[Taco John]

I can't believe a win puts us tied for first in the division. We'd better take advantage.

[elsid13]

We need to get .500 and worry about division placement later

[ICON]

Go Freaking Jagwads!

They are kool with a K !

Denver has a big game On Monday night lets go BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!

[Taco John]

We need to get .500 and worry about division placement later


I see it exactly the opposite. At this point, the only thing I care about is division placement. Obviously, wins come with that. But I'm not looking at some magic number that we need to reach, except for #1.

[eddie mac]

I wasn't too enamoured with them when they came to Invesco a few weeks back and handed us our ass. Today makes up for it just a little bit.

We need to start taking care of business ourselves and that will hopefully continue on Monday night.

[ZachKC]

Jags are a really good team. As time passes I am more inclined to think that they could possibly represent the AFC in the Superbowl.

[Bronx33]

please have team ready shanahan,please have team ready shanahan,please have team ready shanahan,please have team ready shanahan,please have team ready shanahan

Bates please have the defense ready,Bates please have the defense ready,Bates please have the defense ready,Bates please have the defense ready,Bates please have the defense ready

[Dagmar]

I love Phillip.

[broncofan2438]

I love it............Chuggers look terrible

[RhymesayersDU]

Jags are a really good team. As time passes I am more inclined to think that they could possibly represent the AFC in the Superbowl.

I wouldn't go that far, but they are playing real well.

[elsid13]

I see it exactly the opposite. At this point, the only thing I care about is division placement. Obviously, wins come with that. But I'm not looking at some magic number that we need to reach, except for #1.

Denver needs to get 10 wins to make the playoffs. That the magic number. I think that once they get to .500 then they have base to be successful from.

[broncofan2438]

Jags look tough

[fontaine]

The chuggers got blowed out.
:rofl:

[2KBack]

Denver needs to get 10 wins to make the playoffs. That the magic number. I think that once they get to .500 then they have base to be successful from.

Denver needs to win the division to make the playoffs, thats the only outlet the AFC west has, and that can be done with less than 10 wins as long as the rest of the west keeps sucking.

[broncofan2438]

Five bucks says someone on the flight back to SD kills Norv

[Paladin]

Maybe we will see a 9-7 winner. Man I really missed it this year; I had the Broncos at 11-5. Damm......

[elsid13]

Denver needs to win the division to make the playoffs, thats the only outlet the AFC west has, and that can be done with less than 10 wins as long as the rest of the west keeps sucking.

I still think when it all said and done, that AFCW winner will have to have 10 wins. It take one team to get hot and that possible.

[Paladin]

Five bucks says someone on the flight back to SD kills Norv

Did you just offer someone five bucks to knock off Norv? NO NO NO NO. We want him to get a five year extension on his deal with AJ the Magnificent Teflon GM.............

[broncofan2438]

No im saying the chuggers are going to kill him

[Bronx33]

Five bucks says someone on the flight back to SD kills Norv


I can see a quite team effort (pillow smothering)

[The MVPlaya]

Norv Turner has some of the worst play calling I've seen. I don't see why anyone in Bronco Nation is even complaining here.

It was 4th and 2 and he called a misdirection running play to LT....yeah that fooled thme.

Did anyone see the lay out MJD layed on Merriman? OWNED.

We should have signed Grady Jackson.

[Atwater His Ass]

I still think when it all said and done, that AFCW winner will have to have 10 wins. It take one team to get hot and that possible.

But picking a number in this division is un-wise. Just go out and win it. At this point, division placement is much more of an issue than number of wins.

On a side note, I thought Diedorff was a freaking moron today. They showed the AFC West standing and he said something along the lines of "that's not the most competitive division hahaha". What a 'tard. When 3 out of 4 teams are within 1 game of the division lead, isn't that the defenition of competitive? Duh.

[Bronx33]

But picking a number in this division is un-wise. Just go out and win it. At this point, division placement is much more of an issue than number of wins.

On a side note, I thought Diedorff was a freaking moron today. They showed the AFC West standing and he said something along the lines of "that's not the most competitive division hahaha". What a 'tard. When 3 out of 4 teams are within 1 game of the division lead, isn't that the defenition of competitive? Duh.


It seems all the older commentators all are on autopilot anymore when they need to be quite (they still talk) dierdorf needs a .22 right behind the ear just like madden.

[400HZ]

I think 8-8 will win it. I'm thinking

SD 8-8
Den 8-8
KC 7-9
Oak 4-12

The Chargers will have the tie breaker and slide into the playoffs. As bad as the Chargers are coached, I don't think Denver can compete head to head. If somebody offs Norv, we'll finish 10-6.

[Beantown Bronco]

On a side note, I thought Diedorff was a freaking moron today.

Why should today be any different?

[Bronx33]

Norv Turner has some of the worst play calling I've seen. I don't see why anyone in Bronco Nation is even complaining here.

It was 4th and 2 and he called a misdirection running play to LT....yeah that fooled thme.

Did anyone see the lay out MJD layed on Merriman? OWNED.

We should have signed Grady Jackson.


Whos complaining?

[Sassy]

I think 8-8 will win it. I'm thinking

SD 8-8
Den 8-8
KC 7-9
Oak 4-12

The Chargers will have the tie breaker and slide into the playoffs. As bad as the Chargers are coached, I don't think Denver can compete head to head. If somebody offs Norv, we'll finish 10-6.

The Broncos are improving...the Chargers are getting worse. You have that backwards ;D

Den 8-8
SD 8-8
KC 7-9
Oak 4-12

;D

[The MVPlaya]

I think 8-8 will win it. I'm thinking

SD 8-8
Den 8-8
KC 7-9
Oak 4-12

The Chargers will have the tie breaker and slide into the playoffs. As bad as the Chargers are coached, I don't think Denver can compete head to head. If somebody offs Norv, we'll finish 10-6.

Norv Turner is a joke.

[400HZ]

The Broncos are improving...the Chargers are getting worse. You have that backwards ;D

Den 8-8
SD 8-8
KC 7-9
Oak 4-12

;D

Not really. The Chargers have sucked all year but fooled some people with big wins over crap teams. It's really been the same bumbling mess all year long. I wouldn't neccessarily say we're getting worse. And how is Denver getting better? Didn't Detroit just humiliate your guys? 47-7 or whatever?

Either way, the division winner probably won't have much to brag about this year.

[400HZ]

Norv Turner is a joke.

Norv Turner is a nightmare.

[Garcia Bronco]

We are going to the playoff...we are going to win the division, and we will play for the Super Bowl. Now, people think I am crazy when I say this...I just tell them they don't know how to believe

[Bronx33]

Norv just goes too sleep when bad things happen.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9697/turnernorv1204dk2.jpg

[DBroncos4life]

We are going to the playoff...we are going to win the division, and we will play for the Super Bowl. Now, people think I am crazy when I say this...I just tell them they don't know how to believe

I agree!!

[elsid13]

Norv Turner is a nightmare.

Depends what side of the dream you're on. In my mind he the best coach SD has ever had!!

[Atwater His Ass]

It seems all the older commentators all are on autopilot anymore when they need to be quite (they still talk) dierdorf needs a .22 right behind the ear just like madden.

I still like Madden mostly because you can tell he truely loves the game. Dierdorff I used to like, but man, I've watched his game the last 2 weeks and it's almost unwatchable with the stuff he says. Things like "whoever scores the most points will win today."

[Garcia Bronco]

If AJ Smith had a brain....he would have kept the ship running as is....getting rid of Marty has not paid off in the short term when you consider the resume of Norv Turner asa head coach.

[Taco John]

Amen to that... Thank God AJ Smith is a moron.

[eddie mac]

You can blame Norv for a lot of things but I doubt whether he can take the blame for the fact Merriman is now a pussycat.

[Garcia Bronco]

Amen to that... Thank God AJ Smith is a moron.

Hubris is a weakness.

[Bronx33]

You can blame Norv for a lot of things but I doubt whether he can take the blame for the fact Merriman is now a p***Ycat.


You can blame the lack of roids for that ooohhhhh and a penis. LOL

[Atwater His Ass]

You can blame Norv for a lot of things but I doubt whether he can take the blame for the fact Merriman is now a p***Ycat.

I liked it when Jones-Drew blew him up at the goal line. And they showed it over and over and over again.

[Sodak]

Norv Turner has some of the worst play calling I've seen. I don't see why anyone in Bronco Nation is even complaining here.

It was 4th and 2 and he called a misdirection running play to LT....yeah that fooled thme.

Did anyone see the lay out MJD layed on Merriman? OWNED.

We should have signed Grady Jackson.


I agree, but it's not just Norv. Rivers looks like **** lately. I think he's beginning to show his true colors.

[Bronx33]

I agree, but it's not just Norv. Rivers looks like **** lately. I think he's beginning to show his true colors.


I have noticed that players kinda emulates the state of their headcoach alot, it looks like rivers kinda gives up on the play calls.

[eddie mac]

I liked it when Jones-Drew blew him up at the goal line. And they showed it over and over and over again.

That pretty much sums up the difference between him with the drugs and without.

[Sodak]

I have noticed that players kinda emulates the state of their headcoach alot, it looks like rivers kinda gives up on the play calls.


I don't know, he's been making a lot of terrible plays lately. Throwing into the dirt, no receiver within ten yards, the weird side arm sling. People have said that Rivers has a strong arm, but what I've seen lately looks more like the ol' wet noodle, just weak, slow balls floating out of his hand. No zip at all. If that's what they mean by "strong arm" then Cutler has a freaking laser beam...

[theAPAOps5]

Norv Turner is a nightmare.

I know you were one of the SD fans saying that the coaching won't matter with the talent you have. I think you guys finish 7-9

[Paladin]

Not really. The Chargers have sucked all year but fooled some people with big wins over crap teams. It's really been the same bumbling mess all year long. I wouldn't neccessarily say we're getting worse. And how is Denver getting better? Didn't Detroit just humiliate your guys? 47-7 or whatever?

Either way, the division winner probably won't have much to brag about this year.

I vote for Sassy's read on the division outcome. We are better - and classier - homers......

[Bronx33]

I don't know, he's been making a lot of terrible plays lately. Throwing into the dirt, no receiver within ten yards, the weird side arm sling. People have said that Rivers has a strong arm, but what I've seen lately looks more like the ol' wet noodle, just weak, slow balls floating out of his hand. No zip at all. If that's what they mean by "strong arm" then Cutler has a freaking laser beam...


That's what i mean, what was rivers doing under marty? he was tearin up the league (the chargers are going down the tubes) game after game.

[theAPAOps5]

I just looked at SD's schedule and last year they could very well win out. This year who the heck knows. What a down year the AFC West is having.

[broncofan2438]

GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F the Chuggers

[NYBronco]

I like Norv in the same way I like Al Davis owning his raiders. They are an asset for the Broncos with their presence.

[Sassy]

I vote for Sassy's read on the division outcome. We are better - and classier - homers......

I just said 8-8 Broncos for Charger fan to feel better. I think we might win a couple more games than that.

[Paladin]

Who doi they lose to next week? They play Cleveland yet?

[theAPAOps5]

They have Baltimore in SD next.

[broncofan2438]

Hopefully Baltimore can play better on offense and Ray Lewis can pop LT in the mouth

[Paladin]

And someone gets three Ints on Rivers.......

[400HZ]

That's what i mean, what was rivers doing under marty? he was tearin up the league (the chargers are going down the tubes) game after game.

Did you guys honestly think that Norv could destroy our offense this fast? For all his shortcomings as a coach, offensive gameplanning was not supposed to be one of them. Our offense has no rhythm. Cam's system was advertised as being the same as Norv's, but that is clearly not the case. Cam always got us started with a dynamic run game combined with good use of play action and high percentage passes with selective shots downfield. Norv runs blindingly predictable run plays straight into run blitzes and then leaves Rivers in 3rd and long after 3rd and long. It's impossible to establish an offensive tempo like that.

I honestly believe that if somebody like Jason Garrett or Josh McDaniels comes in then we will be right back where we were in 2006 leading the league in scoring. Another year of coaching turnover is going to suck, but it has to be done. Teddy Cottrell needs to hit the road as well.

[Bronx33]

Did you guys honestly think that Norv could destroy our offense this fast? For all his shortcomings as a coach, offensive gameplanning was not supposed to be one of them. Our offense has no rhythm. Cam's system was advertised as being the same as Norv's, but that is clearly not the case. Cam always got us started with a dynamic run game combined with good use of play action and high percentage passes with selective shots downfield. Norv runs blindingly predictable run plays straight into run blitzes and then leaves Rivers in 3rd and long after 3rd and long. It's impossible to establish an offensive tempo like that.

I honestly believe that if somebody like Jason Garrett or Josh McDaniels comes in then we will be right back where we were in 2006 leading the league in scoring. Another year of coaching turnover is going to suck, but it has to be done. Teddy Cottrell needs to hit the road as well.


I hear ya 400 you guys got screwed big time as fans (it was all there) and it all got squandered.

[theAPAOps5]

Did you guys honestly think that Norv could destroy our offense this fast? For all his shortcomings as a coach, offensive gameplanning was not supposed to be one of them. Our offense has no rhythm. Cam's system was advertised as being the same as Norv's, but that is clearly not the case. Cam always got us started with a dynamic run game combined with good use of play action and high percentage passes with selective shots downfield. Norv runs blindingly predictable run plays straight into run blitzes and then leaves Rivers in 3rd and long after 3rd and long. It's impossible to establish an offensive tempo like that.

I honestly believe that if somebody like Jason Garrett or Josh McDaniels comes in then we will be right back where we were in 2006 leading the league in scoring. Another year of coaching turnover is going to suck, but it has to be done. Teddy Cottrell needs to hit the road as well.

Ain't going to happen A.J. Smith is too proud he will give Norv Acne Scar Turner another year. By then Jason Garrett will be a head coach elsewhere. remember A.J. Smith ran off a coach that was 14-2 in the regular season. I think the turnover needs to be the GM.

[eddie mac]

I hear ya 400 you guys got screwed big time as fans (it was all there) and it all got squandered.

Thing is it's still all there. I just hope they stick with Norv for a good while yet.!Booya!

Just think what Shanahan could do with Tomlinson, Gates, Williams, Phillips etc.

[elsid13]

Did you guys honestly think that Norv could destroy our offense this fast? For all his shortcomings as a coach, offensive gameplanning was not supposed to be one of them. Our offense has no rhythm. Cam's system was advertised as being the same as Norv's, but that is clearly not the case. Cam always got us started with a dynamic run game combined with good use of play action and high percentage passes with selective shots downfield. Norv runs blindingly predictable run plays straight into run blitzes and then leaves Rivers in 3rd and long after 3rd and long. It's impossible to establish an offensive tempo like that.

I honestly believe that if somebody like Jason Garrett or Josh McDaniels comes in then we will be right back where we were in 2006 leading the league in scoring. Another year of coaching turnover is going to suck, but it has to be done. Teddy Cottrell needs to hit the road as well.

Remember Norv get overwhiemed the more responsibility he has. I really do think that your line is the biggest offense problem with Rivers also pressing it.

[Atlas]

They went into Mile High, Chef stadium and now they beat the Chuggers. They are taking care of business that's for sure.

It would have been better if Viniteiri(sp) could have made that 28 yard kick two weeks ago.

[orinjkrush]

I can't believe a win puts us tied for first in the division. We'd better take advantage.

if this team doesnt catch some serious defensive fire, i would prefer we not be humiliated in the playoffs but rather get a better drafting position.

but i'm a pessimist.:~ohyah!:

[broncofan2438]

Hey, apparantly LT fired off at the postgame conference, saying his teammates dont care if they win they just want to get paid

[elsid13]

Hey, apparantly LT fired off at the postgame conference, saying his teammates dont care if they win they just want to get paid

Sweet.....

[Bladerunner]

I don't have any love for the jaguars, but I am a fan of Phillip Rivers these days. He is missing a lot of wide open receivers these days. He looks terrible and acts even worse when the plays are over.

[Bladerunner]

Did you guys honestly think that Norv could destroy our offense this fast? For all his shortcomings as a coach, offensive gameplanning was not supposed to be one of them. Our offense has no rhythm. Cam's system was advertised as being the same as Norv's, but that is clearly not the case. Cam always got us started with a dynamic run game combined with good use of play action and high percentage passes with selective shots downfield. Norv runs blindingly predictable run plays straight into run blitzes and then leaves Rivers in 3rd and long after 3rd and long. It's impossible to establish an offensive tempo like that.

I honestly believe that if somebody like Jason Garrett or Josh McDaniels comes in then we will be right back where we were in 2006 leading the league in scoring. Another year of coaching turnover is going to suck, but it has to be done. Teddy Cottrell needs to hit the road as well.

I think that is what Smith was thinking, that there was no way that the offense could be disrupted this badly given Turners background. But that's the Norv factor. He has the ability to just suck and bring a franchise with him. If y'all weren't in the division, I'd almost feel sorry for the fans.

[Atwater His Ass]

Sweet.....

I hope that was with our Eric Cartman voice.

[theAPAOps5]

Hey, apparantly LT fired off at the postgame conference, saying his teammates dont care if they win they just want to get paid

Best news I of the day. LT is a classy dude who gives it his all. I would be pissed off too if I hade teammates :cough: Merriman who only cared about themselves.

[Orange_Beard]

LT needs to keep this behind closed doors. (Or just come on over to Denver)

[bpc]

I would love to see Denver sneak into the playoffs, 96' Jacksonville style and knock out the Patriots. That would be awesome.

As crazy as it sounds, I think Denver has already hit bottom. Twice. They should be making their way back up the hill while SD looks like they are in a free fall. This division is a joke... but man, I hope we win this week and get into a tie with SD for 1st.

[400HZ]

Best news I of the day. LT is a classy dude who gives it his all. I would be pissed off too if I hade teammates :cough: Merriman who only cared about themselves.

Merriman was the first one to say it. The reporter asked LT about what Merriman said and LT basically said "ya, some people just show up to get paid and those people will be career losers." Career losers = Norvit and Cottrell

Merriman gets all sorts of flak as a bad character guy, and most of it is BS. The assumption is that because he popped for roids that automatically makes him a locker room cancer or selfish or whatever, and I don't think that is the case at all. Merriman is one of the emotional leaders of the team. People are also jumping him because his sack numbers are down, but Cottrell has the entire defense playing so tentatively that it's inevitable. It's not like Merriman is the only player not getting sacks anymore, nobody is. We went from a hyper aggressive scheme with Wade to a vanilla sit back and react scheme with a complete moron trying to run it. It makes me want to puke watching the Patriots tonight and seeing how they play defense. I honestly don't think that they have a huge advantage in defensive personnel over us, we just don't have a coach with enough brain power to run schemes like that.

[Orange_Beard]

I have really enjoyed watching the Norv Show. He has those boys buying into his system, they are playing it to perfection.

You may be calling for Garrett, don't forget Norv was also very successful O coordinator for the Cowboys.

[400HZ]

I have really enjoyed watching the Norv Show. He has those boys buying into his system, they are playing it to perfection.

You may be calling for Garrett, don't forget Norv was also very successful O coordinator for the Cowboys.

I like Josh McDaniels more than Garrett. Hopefully he can steal away some defensive coaches from the Patsies if he gets hired. I'm flexible though. I'd feel great about either one, even with the risks. I think both of those guys are less risky than bringing in a college guy like Urban Meyer. I'd like to stay away from the retread HCs unless Wade gets caught screwing Jerry Jones' mom or something and gets fired.

[SoCalBronco]

Ain't going to happen A.J. Smith is too proud he will give Norv Acne Scar Turner another year. By then Jason Garrett will be a head coach elsewhere. remember A.J. Smith ran off a coach that was 14-2 in the regular season. I think the turnover needs to be the GM.

I think A.J. Smith lost alot of political capital in the eyes of ownership the way this year has gone (even if they still happen to win the AFCW and promptly get beat in the first round as is likely with whoever wins the AFCW). He's in real danger right now....he can't afford to stick with Norv another year, even if he wanted to. He's going to have to pull off something big this offseason to survive.

[yavoon]

I think A.J. Smith lost alot of political capital in the eyes of ownership the way this year has gone (even if they still happen to win the AFCW and promptly get beat in the first round as is likely with whoever wins the AFCW). He's in real danger right now....he can't afford to stick with Norv another year, even if he wanted to. He's going to have to pull off something big this offseason to survive.

if they fire AJ smith they're morons and we should then promptly hire him.

[bpc]

if they fire AJ smith they're morons and we should then promptly hire him.

AJ Smith is an arrogant prick with a great eye for talent and a cunning cool to make trades/deals in the clutch. There is no way him or Shanahan could ever work together though.

[azbroncfan]

Jags are a really good team. As time passes I am more inclined to think that they could possibly represent the AFC in the Superbowl.

Only way another team wins the SB other than the Pats is if the Pats beat themselves.


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[Taco John]

if they fire AJ smith they're morons and we should then promptly hire him.


Yeah, maybe he could nab Dennis Northcutt for us!

[Taco John]

Sorry about that... I meant:

yea. Ma-b he could nb Dns Ncutt 4 us!

[Popps]

Yeah, maybe he could nab Dennis Northcutt for us!

Hilarious!

[dragondawg]

the greenbay game still makes me mad

[Popps]

the greenbay game still makes me mad

People are talking about them as potentially the 2nd best team in the league and we had them taken care of.

But, when you can't punch a ball in from the 5 with a couple of tries to do it, that's what you get.

We need help in the trenches. Simple as that.

[boltaneer]

You guys have to remember that Norv wasn't AJ's number one choice. Wade Phillips was. Dean Spanos didn't want to get rid of Marty though and that's what led to the indecision.

Once Wade took the Dallas job, they scrambled and took Norv.

It will be a hell of a lot easier to find a replacement for Norv than to find one for AJ. Spanos may be an idiot at times but hopefully even he realizes this.

I don't know what the exact problem between AJ and Marty were. Neither side has ever come out and explained why. I think AJ was foolish to hold that grude against Marty but everyone is making him out to be Satan. He doesn't have this type of grude with Norv (unfortunately) or any of the other coaches. I'm pretty sure the way this season is going, AJ will want to find a replacement for Norv this offseason. It's up to Spanos and company to decide if they want to eat the rest of Norv's contract if they boot him. I think it's a no-brainer decision but Spanos may balk at AJ's wants again.

[bpc]

You guys have to remember that Norv wasn't AJ's number one choice. Wade Phillips was. Dean Spanos didn't want to get rid of Marty though and that's what led to the indecision.

Once Wade took the Dallas job, they scrambled and took Norv.

It will be a hell of a lot easier to find a replacement for Norv than to find one for AJ. Spanos may be an idiot at times but hopefully even he realizes this.

I don't know what the exact problem between AJ and Marty were. Neither side has ever come out and explained why. I think AJ was foolish to hold that grude against Marty but everyone is making him out to be Satan. He doesn't have this type of grude with Norv (unfortunately) or any of the other coaches. I'm pretty sure the way this season is going, AJ will want to find a replacement for Norv this offseason. It's up to Spanos and company to decide if they want to eat the rest of Norv's contract if they boot him. I think it's a no-brainer decision but Spanos may balk at AJ's wants again.

AJ's a prick. He was quoted mocking a fake pre-game speech from Marty, getting all excited and into a frenzy. Seems he enjoyed kicking Schottenheimer behind his back. He couldn't wait to get Marty out the door. Careful what you wish for.

Marty is a great coach. He doesn't have the resume in the playoffs but if you are looking to turn your team into a contender, hire him.

I'll throw this out there right now... IF San Francisco was smart, they would ditch this aimless approach Nolan has the 49ers on without Norv on offense, bring and bring in Marty. That team is right up his ally and he could have them competing for a championship by next season. Smash mouth running attack... check... stout defense, 3-4 at that which he has extensive experience coaching... check.

Like I said... that is what I would do if I was the 49ers. And in the NFC... maybe Marty experiences a little more success without Denver blocking his way. :thumbsup:

[Taco John]

You guys have to remember that Norv wasn't AJ's number one choice.



Why do we have to remember that? AJ Smith fired a 14-2 coach and didn't have his back-up plan secure.

All I have to remember is that AJ Smith took a team that looked like it was poised to dominate for years to come, and turned them into a team that will be lucky to go 8-8 with our struggling team this year, and because of it, we have a shot at the division title, despite having one of the worst teams we've fielded in a decade.

[boltaneer]

Why do we have to remember that? AJ Smith fired a 14-2 coach and didn't have his back-up plan secure.

It's for the ones saying that Norv was AJ's choice (since his choice was actually Wade)and those that think that his job is possibly in danger, that's all.

In a way I think AJ's choice for Wade gets a little more justification for every game Wade continues to win this season.

[DBroncos4life]

It's for the ones saying that Norv was AJ's choice (since his choice was actually Wade)and those that think that his job is possibly in danger, that's all.

In a way I think AJ's choice for Wade gets a little more justification for every game Wade continues to win this season.

Why? He is the one that brought in a guy that has proven he couldn't win. Was Norm the only coach left not doing anything?

[ZachKC]

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[400HZ]

It's for the ones saying that Norv was AJ's choice (since his choice was actually Wade)and those that think that his job is possibly in danger, that's all.

In a way I think AJ's choice for Wade gets a little more justification for every game Wade continues to win this season.

That's why I blame Spanos more than AJ. Wade would have been a great fit for our team I think. I think either way we would be struggling some this season, but not to the extent that we are now. Losing Cameron, Wade, Manusky, Chudzinski, and Stewart all in one season was a big kick in the balls.

[ZachKC]

Only way another team wins the SB other than the Pats is if the Pats beat themselves.


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Rest of the league

That very well could be.

I guess I have just been watching so much sports the obvious answer never seems to pan out. I saw Appalachian St beat Michigan in the Big House. I once saw a HS basketball game where a full court press in the 4th qtr kept a team 38 points in the lead end of up losing because they literally never got the ball past their half court mark. I watched the Music City Miracle on TV. Hell, I have seen Priest Holmes come back and play decent ball this year. :rofl:

Anyway, I actually like the Patriots alot. I know that is kind of sac-relig. Even though I believe they are the best team in football I don't believe they will win the Superbowl this year.

[boltaneer]

Why? He is the one that brought in a guy that has proven he couldn't win. Was Norm the only coach left not doing anything?

As bad of a track record Norv had, the idea was to bring in a veteran coach that ran a similar scheme (ha!) that just needed to manage the team much like a qb "manages a game". Obviously, it's not turning out that way.

Going by that criteria the only other guy out there I can think of would have been Mike Martz.

And actually I wanted Martz but he wasn't even on the radar.

Ron Rivera, Mike Singletary, Rex Ryan were the other candidates for the job. I was hoping they would choose Ryan and to a leser extent, Rivera. (Norv was my bottom choice) But the plan was to go after a vet, not a rookie HC.

If there hadn't been such expecation and pressure for the Chargers to win last year, I think it would have been easier to go out and get a young and upcoming coach that might not necessarily win it all this season but maybe in another year or two. I think that philosphy may come into play for 2008.

[boltaneer]

That very well could be.

I guess I have just been watching so much sports the obvious answer never seems to pan out. I saw Appalachian St beat Michigan in the Big House. I once saw a HS basketball game where a full court press in the 4th qtr kept a team 38 points in the lead end of up losing because they literally never got the ball past their half court mark. I watched the Music City Miracle on TV. Hell, I have seen Priest Holmes come back and play decent ball this year. :rofl:

Anyway, I actually like the Patriots alot. I know that is kind of sac-relig. Even though I believe they are the best team in football I don't believe they will win the Superbowl this year.

For every cinderealla team that pulls off a memorable win, a hundred fall.

I've lost all respect for the Patriots with the spygate thing and the classless things that Belichick and some of the Patriot players do but barring an injury to Brady, I don't see the Patriots collapsing in the playoffs.

If Peyton gets Marvin back and some other players healthy for the playoffs I think they can take them down but that's wouldn't really be a cinderella story. They're still the defending Super Bowl champs and the only team with a realistic shot at doing it.

[ZachKC]

For every cinderealla team that pulls off a memorable win, a hundred fall.

I've lost all respect for the Patriots with the spygate thing and the classless things that Belichick and some of the Patriot players do but barring an injury to Brady, I don't see the Patriots collapsing in the playoffs.

If Peyton gets Marvin back and some other players healthy for the playoffs I think they can take them down but that's wouldn't really be a cinderella story. They're still the defending Super Bowl champs and the only team with a realistic shot at doing it.
I don't think they win it. But oh well, we will see.

I also think if the Jags were to pull it off it wouldn't be a cindrella story. It would be a good team beating another good team. This is the NFL. It isn't like LA-Monroe is going to sneak into the playoffs and start knocking people off. I think C-Stories are more so for college.

[DBroncos4life]

As bad of a track record Norv had, the idea was to bring in a veteran coach that ran a similar scheme (ha!) that just needed to manage the team much like a qb "manages a game". Obviously, it's not turning out that way.

Going by that criteria the only other guy out there I can think of would have been Mike Martz.

And actually I wanted Martz but he wasn't even on the radar.

Ron Rivera, Mike Singletary, Rex Ryan were the other candidates for the job. I was hoping they would choose Ryan and to a leser extent, Rivera. (Norv was my bottom choice) But the plan was to go after a vet, not a rookie HC.

If there hadn't been such expecation and pressure for the Chargers to win last year, I think it would have been easier to go out and get a young and upcoming coach that might not necessarily win it all this season but maybe in another year or two. I think that philosphy may come into play for 2008.

Why take a chance on a guy that is proven he can't win over someone that hasn't proven anything though? You don't think players talk about coaches and tell eachother how good or bad it is to play for said coach? Atleast a rookie HC can learn to get better as he makes mistakes, Norv on the other hand won't. This has to be a huge set back for the team.

[boltaneer]

Why take a chance on a guy that is proven he can't win over someone that hasn't proven anything though? You don't think players talk about coaches and tell eachother how good or bad it is to play for said coach? Atleast a rookie HC can learn to get better as he makes mistakes, Norv on the other hand won't. This has to be a huge set back for the team.

Like I said there was TREMENDOUS pressure to win it all last year. That pressure is still here this season.

I don't know what the statistics for a rookie HC winning a Super Bowl but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

They wanted to win now and Norv was a big gamble and it has backfired.

I didn't like the decision to hire Norv but I understood the thinking. I'm actually not bitter about it. I just hope they have the balls to admit the mistake and bring in someone else next season.

[Jetmeck]

Sure coaching is part of the problem but has anyone considered the bolts are playing a lot tougher schedule this year ?

[ZachKC]

Sure coaching is part of the problem but has anyone considered the bolts are playing a lot tougher schedule this year ?

Bah. This is the NFL. I just don't believe the tougher schedule schtick carries nearly as much weight as some would like it too. The amount of games that change based on how you did before is minimal.

The Chargers own division is far far weaker than it was last year. Thats 6 games in itself.

[boltaneer]

If this team was playing, or better yet, coached like they were last season, they'd probably be 9-1.

It's not the schedule. It's definitely Norv.

[boltaneer]

AJ's a prick. He was quoted mocking a fake pre-game speech from Marty, getting all excited and into a frenzy.

BTW, this is the first I've heard of this. Where did you read/hear this from?

[Atlas]

November 19, 2007
IT'S ALL RELATIVE: Absolutely pathetic! Norv Turner has taken the most explosive offense in football and turned it into a below-average offense. If he is an offensive genius, I am Albert Einstein.
DOUG BALTZ

Chula Vista

AH, SPRING: Is it too early to ask when pitchers and catchers report for spring training?

JASON BALLOW

Encinitas



AdvertisementTURKEYS, ALL: Something to be thankful for at my dinner table this Thanksgiving: the weak AFC West. Without you guys, the Chargers would not be in first place.
LINDSEY KHOUNNORAJ

San Diego

WHAT YOU SEE . . . : The Chargers are just what they are: a 500 team. They look good, they look bad. They win and they lose. No more excuses, please.

GEOFF PLATT

Mission Hills

JEKYLL AND HIDE: The Chargers played like it was the first preseason game. They continue to be a roller-coaster ride, making us wonder what team is going to show up from week to week. It's time to take a hard look at the coaching and say lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.

JOANN LULOW

Lakeside

THE 'L' WORD: Let's call it like it is: The coach lost this team during the second quarter of the Chiefs game, and he is not going to get it back. . . . Good job, A.J. Smith. There's Marty, Drew Brees, Donnie Edwards, et al. You sure showed everybody who's boss.

KEN STRYJEWSKI

San Diego

THE 'D' WORD: After observing several Chargers games of late, the following are the most important needs: players self-discipline; discipline by all coaches; discipline by management, and discipline by ownership. These four things will cure most of the problems.

DAN ULLAND

San Diego

TIME FOR VOLEK: What good are all the weapons if the person pulling the trigger has no aim? Another frustrating loss with more fourth-quarter interceptions. Time to sit Philip Rivers and start Billy Volek!

ANTHONY BALAGUER

Chula Vista

IT'S SIMPLE: Until there's significant improvement in defending against the pass, both at the line and in the secondary, the Chargers will be a mediocre team, at best.

C.J. HOLDZKOM

Ocotillo

WHEN, OH WHEN? When will Turner start calling some innovative plays and use his offensive weapons? When will Rivers start to throw more than one or two accurate passes per series? And when will the defense start to cover receivers and tackle here and there? I guess these and other questions will be addressed in another offseason of what-ifs and what-could-be's.

CHRIS DENNIS

Ramona

START AT TOP: A.J. Smith said that anything short of going “deep” into the playoffs was unacceptable, and that there would be “changes.” He'd better start making those changes now, starting with his choice of head coach. Norv Turner is leading this talented group of players directly to their living room couches, where they will be watching the playoffs. Something stinks, and I think the smell starts at the top.

HUGHIE P. THOMAS

Solana Beach

FIXING STUFF: Chargers management violated the primary rule of engineering when it fired a coach who lost only two games and replaced him with a coach who has yet to post a winning season in the NFL. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

FRANK FERRONE

El Cajon

NO DISGUISING: Rivers just doesn't go through the motions and progressions that good QBs make. He has one of the worst play-action fakes of just about any pro QB. He doesn't look off any of his receivers and doesn't pump-fake to make anyone in the secondary move. He sets his sights on one receiver and either throws to him (covered or not) or throws it away, which he does way too often.

BRENT BERSON, San Diego

FOUR-AND-OUT: Outscored, outplayed, outcoached, out of excuses. So much for our “Super” talented dream team.

KEN OWEN

San Marcos

CASTING CALL: The Hollywood writers strike has caused prime-time TV shows to come to a halt. Fans of the hit show “Lost” need not worry. Production has resumed at a new location (Jacksonville), with a new cast (the Chargers).

ROD JOOYAN

La Mesa

STATED SIMPLY: Nick Canepa was right. This was a statement game. Unfortunately, the statement is that the Chargers are the most disappointing team in the NFL. How much longer must we endure A.J.'s mistake at head coach and quarterback?

TEAG CARPENTER

San Diego

NEW MATH: Some old football guru said of the forward pass, “Only three things can happen and two of them are bad.” The Chargers have FIVE things that can happen: completion, incompletion, interception, dropped ball or penalty, and four of them are bad.

W.H. JONES

San Diego

OFFENSIVE: Too little, too late from Rivers and company. When the defense cannot score, and the special teams cannot score, the Chargers lose.

RAY STEINWEHE

Pacific Beach

IT'S THE COACHES: Granted, we're not in the locker room or team meetings, but it appears as if Turner has lost this team. The offense looks confused, the defense looks handcuffed and Rivers is either confused by Turner's extensive playbook or is feeling the pressure of having to win with teams taking LT away.

I have heard Turner utter the phrase that the other team “dictated what we could do” more than I care to hear. This is a team that, just last season, was doing the dictating. This is basically the same team, which leads me to point the finger in only one direction, the coaches.

Turner may be a great offensive coordinator, but so was Kevin Gilbride. Turner just doesn't appear to have what it takes to be a successful head coach in the NFL. It pains me to have to watch a team with such potential play at such a subpar level. How long will it take for A.J. Smith to admit his mistake and clean house? Will it be too late for the team to capitalize on its window of opportunity?

KEITH SILVIA

Lakeside

THREE P'S IN A POD: Once again, the Chargers suffered from the three P's that have hurt them all year: lack of Pressure on the opposing QB, Predictability of play calling and Poor execution by Rivers, with untimely turnovers during crunch time.

MATT TAVAREZ

Oceanside



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By longsufferinfan on 11/19/2007 at 6:05 a.m.

Nationally, the Chargers have become a laughing stock!
It is embarassing to listen to the comentators on ESPN
or the networks talk about them!

And I have news for you "getting to the playoffs is all that counts"
idiots, it ain't going to happen. Even in this joke of a conference.

I see where they moved the river DENIAL to San Diego!

Report AbuseBy stuckinMN on 11/19/2007 at 6:33 a.m.

The Chargers will go to the playoffs....c'mon! The AFC West is weak and pathetic! The problem will be playoffs. There won't be a sudden change of scheme, there won't be added passion. I predict another 1st game exit for us because they just don't have what it takes to win when it is needed. Lets face it...last year was the year......

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[Atlas]

More Chugger despair

What did I say! YAHOO!

I even had the score! 24-17 Jacksonville!

By SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 9:59 a.m.

We will see today. Chargers will lose. Let the chaos of fandum begin.

Idiot coach!

Marty!

Report AbuseBy chechebureche on 11/18/2007 at 1:48 p.m.

Calm down guys, Norv Turner and OJ Smith will not be fired…not until the end of the season. There cannot be changes right now. The Chargers will win two more games against Baltimore and Oakland to finish with a 7-9 card. They will go to top the stinking AFC West division. For that, Churner will be rewarded with a contract extension and OJ Smith will be given a pat on the back by Spanos for a job well done. Philip Leaf will also be given a contract extension. So pleassssseeee stop asking for the heads of Churner,OJ Smith andPhilip Leaf, it ain't gonna happen. LT will also declare that this is a very challenging but rewarding season for having surpass the 10,000 yards mark. Philip we believe you'll gonna get better, that's alright. Churner -we can build upon this heartbreaking loss. OJ Smith sees nothing wrong with this team, yada yadi yah!

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 1:48 p.m.

I'm down on my picks this week but, I picked the most important part, final score of the Chargers.

Rivers and Norvie Turner are big challenges for this offense to get off the ball right. I do have to say, Rivers looked more relaxed today.

We will see but, so far, my overall predictions are right about the Chargers. Turkey Ball goes to Turner on play calls, STILL with Marty-Ball calls in the running game. FYI, LT does NOT run up the middle with this O-Line. Time for other plays, unacceptable!

Defense: Don't get me started, defensive line is starting to show signs but, if we have to rely on our CBs to make plays, see ya McCree. Jammer wasn't in, but, come on... CBs are underachieving and unacceptable.

Overall: D- Defense, D Offense, D+ Special Teams other than no turnovers.

Next week, similar score and similar outcome, even with BALT, but, we will see as things evaluate the picks for next week.

As a Charger fan, this sucks.

Report AbuseBy Jhart on 11/18/2007 at 1:49 p.m.

Rivers is KILLING the Chargers!!! No poise when the game is on the line. Where's LT?? He sure isn't putting this team on his shoulders. Bring in McNabb or go after Derek Anderson from Cleveland. Rivers is done.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 1:51 p.m.

chechebureche: Did you see the same quality team we have on the field?

Report AbuseBy PowaySean on 11/18/2007 at 1:52 p.m.

Whatever the record is that will get AJ Smith, Norv Turner, and Ted Cottrell fired... I hope we get that. I LOVE the Chargers, but egomaniac Smith needs to go, and take his lame coaching staff with him. Lets pony up the courage (and dough) to offer Pete Carroll the GM/Head Coach spot and build a real winner.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 1:52 p.m.

Jhart: Compared to last week, I will take this Rivers performance.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 1:53 p.m.

PowaySean: It will be challenging...

Balt is coming to town... tick tick tick tick tick BOOOOM!

There goes the Chargers season!

Report AbuseBy RangerJohn on 11/18/2007 at 1:54 p.m.

SOS

SAVE OUR SEASON

GET BILL COWHER HERE BEFORE DECEMBER!!!! WE MIGHT STILL HAVE A CHANCE.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 1:55 p.m.

I hope I'm not over reacting guys because I can say, the season is NOT over. But, come on, we look under prepared. Until this changes, we will not get into the playoffs.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 1:55 p.m.

We got our butts kicked!

Report AbuseBy Da_Boltz on 11/18/2007 at 1:56 p.m.

I don't want to hear any crap about this team "still being in first place"...or "we still can make the playoffs". This is embarassing!

I called the score last Thursday:

By Da_Boltz on 11/15/2007 at 12:36 p.m.

Final Score Prediction:

Jags 24 - Boltz 17.


This team needs a serious change...starting with the Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator. MY GOD!!!!! Third and one or two...can anyone guess what play we'll call???? Let's try L. Neil up the gut...for the 99th time in a row!!!!! Guess what Norv...Eventually it won't work...like today!

Rivers last INT killed us too. At least his first INT he was trying to make something happen after getting a first down on 3rd and 10...only to have it called for holding. Stupid play calling...stupid penalties...even at 24-17 the game wasn't that close.

AND....don't even get me going on McCree. He's 10 yards off the play everytime...having a horrible year! Florance? Feel free to go "Free Agency"...and take your penalties with you.We need a SS bad!!! Please tell me he's not signed through next year. Last year...with the pass rush we had...our secondary was not exposed. This year??? Different story.

This team is 9-7 AT BEST this year...8-8, tied with KC and they miss the playoffs by the tie-breaker is more likely. Then at least AJ can fire Norv....IMMEDIATELY after the last game! No waiting around this year...get it done and start the search. Hell...start looking now!

Report AbuseBy PowaySean on 11/18/2007 at 1:57 p.m.

RangerJohn... no chance on Cowher, he is real good friends with Marty, and says he owes his chance at cosching to him. There is NO way he would disrespect his friend by taking a job working for the Spanos'.

Report AbuseBy HoyaSaxa on 11/18/2007 at 1:58 p.m.

Why not more swing passes to LT? Jackson dropped another one that was not at his chest, just at both of his hands. That Chambers' PI call was bogus, but we benefited from a bad call ourselves.

Stupid holding and other penalties when we were starting drives, our offensive line most sucked again (what a great play to Neal with 1 yard to go -- NOT), and I'm still not sure why LT didn't throw that ball.

But with all that said, there were times during the game when I thought we had last year's Philip Rivers back -- I swore he was going to lead us to a 4th Quarter come back and that the team would have turned the page and reverted to 2006 form from here on out. But just like a bad horror movie, we apparently didn't kill the new Rivers off and he came back to haunt us, big time. That last INT wasn't really even an interception -- it looked like an intentional pass to the other team -- it was that right on. So, Rivers is not back, at least not today.

I could go on and on about T.C., McCree,, Florence, et al., but what's the point anymore. I'm just sick of it all.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 1:59 p.m.

Da_Boltz: I agree.

What is up with Lo. Neal as part of the offense. Let him block and do the stuff he is supposed to do.

MOVE FORWARD!

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 2:01 p.m.

HoyaSaxa:

Rivers got into a little bit of a rhythim!

I know I'm out of my mind with that comment here but, let's take it one day at a time.

Let's do this!

We got our butts handed to us! But, come on!

Report AbuseBy flybyemine on 11/18/2007 at 2:01 p.m.

Okay, THis team is in T-R-O-U-B-L-E. We can speculate all we want on what the problems are, but it seems to be more than the coaching staff. There is a great divide rising within the teams players where it seems that some are attempting to undermine the teams success. I feel horrible for LT having to spend the tailend of his career in this mess.

Report AbuseBy villain on 11/18/2007 at 2:02 p.m.

When do we make the adjustments. #29 and#20 OUT #32 and #31 in. Why are people already annointing the Chargers AFC West champs? I smell a meltdown ala the Padres.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 2:02 p.m.

The players played us last year. I'm sorry I'm attacking this site, but, I'm the most depressed on this process.

Report AbuseBy Da_Boltz on 11/18/2007 at 2:02 p.m.

I hear you SanDiego69. Honestly...Neil is a great blocking back...but too often now they leave him in there on passing downs...run him off to the side as a decoy...and he's a useless player in that offense...the defense certainly is not afraid of him as a receiver...so why have him in there all the time?

Report AbuseBy RiversToChambers on 11/18/2007 at 2:03 p.m.

This game was on the defense and Ted Cottrell.. Cottrell needs to go..Rivers played ok except on that last drive......but at least he brought us back in to the game.. Offense and Turner are improving while D and Cottrell look as bad as they have all year...
0 Turnovers
0 sacks
Ted Cottrell OUT..Ron Rivera in

Report AbuseBy daygo kid on 11/18/2007 at 2:03 p.m.

dont worry guys theyre still only 10 games in, right AJ?

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 2:04 p.m.

Da_Bolz: You're right, he is a decoy. I would only use him if I know I'm up against the goal line.

Report AbuseBy Da_Boltz on 11/18/2007 at 2:07 p.m.

Rivers did OK...I actually thought Gates should have had that one in the end zone, and his TD pass later on was sweet...BUT, while he didn't just throw the ball to the Jags on that last INT as someone suggested...he HAS GOT TO SEE the safety moving up...breaking on the route and adjust. 4th qtr picks CANNOT happen...especially when you're behind.

Report AbuseBy howie2112 on 11/18/2007 at 2:07 p.m.

This team needs a complete makeover on the coaching staff. These offensive and defensive schemes are not working, let's get some young, motivated coaches who are not collecting Social Security, and use the talent we have!!!!!
Chargers suck right now!!!

Report AbuseBy Da_Boltz on 11/18/2007 at 2:08 p.m.

Amen Howie!!!

Report AbuseBy ealvarado on 11/18/2007 at 2:11 p.m.

Cotrell has to go! Norv has to go! Rivers showed some signs of life but we still have to run the ball alot more. Can our defense stop anyone? Again I will say it after the four game suspension Merriman is not the same player. He got blown up by 5'7 Jones-Drew. (WOW) The players showed some heart but it's been like this all season and as long as we have Norv and Cotrell it's going to stay like this. I hate that our division is so terrible. I wish KC or Denver can run away with it because if we end up getting in the playoffs Smith is going to use that as an excuse to keep these coaches. I'm sorry fellow Charger fans but we do not deserve to go into the playoffs. Anyone who can find the real "Lights Out" tell him the Chargers need him back.

Report AbuseBy WELLIGUESS on 11/18/2007 at 2:14 p.m.

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD REASON TO LET BREES GO, BUT I DON'T THINK RIVERS IS A PROBLEM. THE REASON WHY SHOT WAS CANNED WAS BECAUSE HE COULDN'T WIN IN THE POST. BUT,NORV CAN'T EVEN GET THE BOLTS TO THE POST...WELL, I GUESS ITS A GOOD YEAR TO BE IN THE AFC WEST-USUALLY STRONG BUT NOT THIS YEAR. DID ANYONE SEE THAT HIT ON LIGHTS OUT. I'M STILL ON HIS SIDE.

Report AbuseBy commish2 on 11/18/2007 at 2:14 p.m.

The Chargers are not a very good team. If they were in any other AFC division, they would have more loses.

Report AbuseBy merkelmagic on 11/18/2007 at 2:15 p.m.

play calls sucked NORV and TED. You have to rush more than four to win a game. Norv you had one good series than went back to crap.

Report AbuseBy merkelmagic on 11/18/2007 at 2:17 p.m.

Rivers 10 tds 12 ints...yes he is that bad. Oh did I say 10 yep thats right 10 tds 10 games wow 1 a game what a threat you are.

Report AbuseBy RiversToChambers on 11/18/2007 at 2:18 p.m.

I think we should give Turner a chance..his playcalling improved a lot and I think it will continue to improve. I think he is finally realizing that V-Jack sucks and that should benefit the passing game. Cottrell has to go...I agree with that...How could you not get a sack all game long with our defense..unbelievable.

Report AbuseBy Joshua on 11/18/2007 at 2:18 p.m.

Leave town Chargers. Leave the county. Your owners, you smarmy spokesman, your repeatedly convicted players, and your gutless performance are a disgrace. Go...away....Chargers

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 2:18 p.m.

This sucks!

The only way we make coaching and management changes until the season is over.

FYI, season is over.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 2:19 p.m.

Joshua: Simmer down now.

Report AbuseBy what happened on 11/18/2007 at 2:20 p.m.

i don't know about you other charger fans, but i'm seeing a three game win streak coming soon. for the chargers no less. 8-5 and talking smack.

Report AbuseBy bundas on 11/18/2007 at 2:22 p.m.

YOU REALY WANT A NEW SADIUM FOR THIS COOL TEAM ??

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 2:23 p.m.

what happened... um, not likely.

Report AbuseBy makeithappen on 11/18/2007 at 2:23 p.m.

Norv Turnover is the worst ever.

Report AbuseBy merkelmagic on 11/18/2007 at 2:23 p.m.

5 losses way to go Norv...back to your old ways oh wait you never win thats right....AJ Smith hired a losing coach.

Report AbuseBy boltinPA on 11/18/2007 at 2:26 p.m.

Its on Spanos. He backed up AJ and let Wade go when he should've fired Marty right away. The arrogance of AJ to think this team didn't need help when the Pats were improving where ever they could is incredible. I don't know if Volek is the answer but I know Cotrell belongs back in the League office and stick with Madden football .

Report AbuseBy chargerfan1001 on 11/18/2007 at 2:28 p.m.

Well-done Norv! Best game you called yet. You wanted to run to start, but we could not.

Phil much improved. You had two picks one because an all pro decided to give up on you. One because they made a good read and jumped the route. Na Na Na NAwhatever next time run through the ball. Help your quarter back out.

(F) for the o-line they can not accomplish anything! McNeil and Goff give up the morning talk radio you both look bad. Less than three minutes to play Jacksonville is rushing 4 and the quarter back drops three steps pass and runs for his life. 2nd down same thing why can you guys not block? Games are won and lost in the trenches, and you lost again power football my back side. Only difference between this year and last LT is a step slower hold your blocks longer. Ah hell just hold!

(F) for Gates how many drops? How many plays did you quit on? How many picks to help them get? And why not layout for a touchdown! I do not care if you caught one you should have had two.

LT I know you are concerned about your passer rating next time just throw it up. Good things can happen just ask Phil.

Now for my main complaint! Just fire Teddy C. I mean Tommy Bass. The strength of this defense is its athletes! Last year they hardly ever rushed just four. They came from all over! Confusion was the key. Causing havoc was what we were all about. Give any NFL quarter back as much time as we do and everyone is headed to the hall of fame. Teddy C. you have way to much talent to play bend but do not break. I say just break your opponent. Oh and blitz like you mean it, unless of course you do not understand the meaning of that!

Let's crush the Ravens!

Report AbuseBy merkelmagic on 11/18/2007 at 2:29 p.m.

Cotrell did he even blitz...Merriaman got lit up by jones-drew. we look lost out there thats because of bad coaching

Report AbuseBy NMfan on 11/18/2007 at 2:29 p.m.

Get rid of Ted and Norv. Let Merriman coach. No blitz no offense...Merriman getting knocked down...it think Norv and Ted came in and castrated the team.

Report AbuseBy bundas on 11/18/2007 at 2:31 p.m.

Obviously the other team played much better...

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[Atlas]

More Chugger Despair

Man our offense has to step up... our defense gave us a chance to win gave us a chance to tie.. yet the offense gave us the lose.

Report AbuseBy BoltBling on 11/18/2007 at 2:35 p.m.

I'm watching Norv cover mouth so no one can READ his playcalling....like helloooooo........no one WANTS your plays Norv, not even OUR team wants your plays! Geeze.

And one more thing. All that Al Davis long ball we're playing...what is UP with that huh? Your QB is struggling and you have him toss it down field about twice a series like he's freaking Tom Brady? Double GEEZE!

Report AbuseBy Surfer Duane on 11/18/2007 at 2:39 p.m.

Norv Turner made a comment last week about how Antonio Cromarti's plays were insane and that they have to find a way to get him on the field more. Every Charger should be playing with this type of attitude not just one. This is why they are losing-- there is no fire to win within their heart. Shawn Merriman gets leveled by a guy half his size? What happened to Ladainian Tomlinson? Has anyone seen him yet this year? Why is Rivers overthrowing Gates? I don't understand why they have a full week pf preparation and these types of passes still happen.

I want to see some emotion on the sideline starting with the coaches. You are being paid to coach now perform.

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 2:41 p.m.

Chargers interested in Jason Garrett
Sunday, Nov 18, 2007 9:22 am EST


Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett has emerged as a candidate for a head coaching job in the NFL. According to the Dallas Morning News there are three potential openings that might interest Garrett.

The San Diego Chargers are the most attractive with all the offensive skills the team has. There is also the Cincinnati Bengals, who do have Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson. And finally, the Baltimore Ravens, who need an offensive-minded coach.

Source: Dallas Morning News

Report AbuseBy boltinPA on 11/18/2007 at 2:42 p.m.

How many people are not taking their meds out there? Anybody see the offense impaired Ravens scored 30 points and they have an excellent defense. (Who's their D-coordinator? Rex Ryan!!) They could go on a four game losing streak! And the way they are playing they very well could. Does 7-9 get into the playoffs? If it's a tie with the Chiefs, the Chiefs get the tie breaker. (I'm assuming the Bolts will lose in K.C.) I'm so glad we kept Michael Turner cause he's added a lot. (Good job Norv!) We'll lose him and won't get anything for him. I'm a fan through thick and thin and remember the terrible early '70's. I hope they make the playoffs but I can't see it happening. So everybody, after the tailgate party alcohol wears off, realize that the Bolts are awful and our choice is between the Aztecs and Bolts I'm holding out for the Padres.

Report AbuseBy bundas on 11/18/2007 at 2:42 p.m.

Merriman ...did he played???

Report AbuseBy SanDiego69 on 11/18/2007 at 2:43 p.m.

Surfer Duane: "I want to see some emotion on the sideline starting with the coaches. You are being paid to coach now perform."

Have you seen who our head coach is?

Report AbuseBy Allan in SR on 11/18/2007 at 2:52 p.m.

But alas, the really important thing is that His Lordship AJ doesn't have to tolerate a coach with whom he 'doesn't get along.'

After four games, AJ said of the fans, "They'll ask for your firing if things aren't going well and then they'll be the same ones that will be lining the streets throwing confetti at the parade. They'll be happy for you then."

I hope he hasn't invested heavily in confetti.

Report AbuseBy merkelmagic on 11/18/2007 at 2:54 p.m.

our coaching is horrible!!!!

Report AbuseBy Da_Boltz on 11/18/2007 at 3:01 p.m.

Can't see any emotion...more like confusion and the old "Does this guy know what he's doing?" look when they stare over at Norv.

This team has NO...ZERO...NADA...confidence in it's coaching staff...and that's where everything begins and ends.

I've said it before...and I'll say it again - Norv has been a proven loser EVERYWHERE he has been. I can understand the hiring "logic" when it occured...but do you think they hire Norv if Marty is cut loose immediately after the playoff loss? I don't think he's even in the conversation.

My solution: Nothing ever good happens when you fire the head coach mid-season...so wait until the end of the year for that move. BUT...you can fire Cottrell NOW, promote Rivera to DC and hopefully we'll see an aggressive defense like last year start to be displayed.

AJ - You took this franchise...the laughing-stock of the NFL...and you helped turn it around and give it respectibility. We're falling to "laughing-stock" status real quick based on Norv's hiring. Now...AJ...have the "balls" to say your coaching hire was BAD...a huge mistake...and get someone qualified!

Report AbuseBy big chuck muncie on 11/18/2007 at 3:03 p.m.

The curse of Spanos (the slum lord scumbag) will never end as long as they own this team. For those that don't remember when alex bought the team he said he could'nt understand Coryell so he put al saunders the go between as assistant head coach, he then craps on Coach Coryell( who has forgotten more about football then the pea brained spanos clan will ever know) craps on Fouts, and other players, and trys to erase what little tradition we had, even taking the lightning bolts off the uniforms because of his little spat with Gene Klien. Man pack this sh*t up & get it the hell out of SD. I'll never forget the day we booed his ass off the field at halftime of the game against the 9'ers when they had to bring Fouts back to enshrine him into the Charger hall of
fame. Ever wonder why no one from those old teams ever come around?

Report AbuseBy boltinPA on 11/18/2007 at 3:07 p.m.

We had eleven All-Pros last year. Does anyone think the Bolts will have any All-Pros this year? How could we have 11 All Pros last year and probably none this year? Coaching? those guys haven't changed.

Report AbuseBy merkelmagic on 11/18/2007 at 3:07 p.m.

i don't now who is worse chargers or padres....all i know i can't keep spending money to these high priced venues for a losing team. It's just a bad investment

Report AbuseBy BANDWAGONMAN on 11/18/2007 at 3:13 p.m.

Well well well (huh) Shawn no roid M. is getting weaker and you don't hear his name much anymore? LT well to me is a step slower and not a leader but a me person sitting on the Bench with his head down? Phillip Leaf oh boy he is not going to the Super Bowl any time soon! Hell not even the Playoffs with this dude, and don't say the team didn't play good say I didn't play good like you always do? To much talet not enough time?

Report AbuseBy borderview on 11/18/2007 at 3:19 p.m.

I made 500 bucks on todays game.

Thanks Norvie!

Report AbuseBy Surfer Duane on 11/18/2007 at 3:19 p.m.

The Chargers should have a very good Thankgiving since there are many turkeys on this team.

What Marty brought was emotion. it was that very emotion which was instilled into the soles of those players last year that resulted in wins. We don't see it in Norv Tuner. For obvious reasons he has to go. I can get a deal with a moving company for Norv.

Report AbuseBy sandiegan on 11/18/2007 at 3:26 p.m.

I have heard some super bowl winning ex NFL quarterbacks analyze Rivers and the consensus is he has the potential to be a good quarterback ... but in this league a young quarterback needs a quarterback coach to guide him and keep him focused...Alex Smith is a case in point... without Norv he is lost. First year quarterbacks have no game film on their tendencies and are anomalies to other teams. Rivers is really a second year quarterback who needs a coach dedicated to guiding him...question is who was his quarterback coach last year?

Report AbuseBy Daygo on 11/18/2007 at 3:27 p.m.

I wonder how many times the Chargers have punted this season? I see more punts than first downs.

Watching this game made me scream most of the time, and it was always over the PENALTIES! Why is it everytime the Chargers would get a first down it's like that one guy has to screw up and commit a foul. So thats another issue with this team is the lame penalties on important drives that are hurting them from winning.

Rivers was a little less than ok today, but still, he forces throws that shouldn't be throwing, he throws to guys downfield that are completely covered, and his stupid last minute decsions are why he sucks. Also he either overthrows or underthrows the ball, and I'm sure the recievers get pretty angry because of that.

Report AbuseBy perico on 11/18/2007 at 3:27 p.m.

This team is pathetic.

A few questions:

Is this representative of the organization from top to bottom?

How can such a talented team be so predictable and lack emotion and passion?

Why is this team being bullied on the field by teams around the league?

Why did AJ allow his personal issues with Marty to overshadow the mission and goals of a team sport, which is to get better and win the big one? Always putting the team ahead of personal problems?

Just thought I'd ask a few key questions. Maybe we can get somewhere if a few of these questions were asnwered.

Report AbuseBy Daygo on 11/18/2007 at 3:30 p.m.

If the chargers want to win any more games they need to do these things.

1. No more running LT up the middle or running him period on 1st down!!!

2. More creative playcalling, stop the stupid predictble screen passes and start throwing farther down field to our big recievers.

3. Rivers needs to be benched for a couple of games, let the speedier Volek create some magic, because Rivers always looks nervous and confused.

4. The O line is struggling we need Nick back!

5. The D needs to blitz more often, they're looking too conservative in zone coverage, the same with the offense, they to, look conservative and clumsy.

6. LT is not himself, the blocking sucks, so LT needs to charge more to gain extra yardage, but he doesn't like running at defenders and thats his weakness. He's an outside runner not an inside guy.

7. Man only if we could aquire Adrian Peterson! or Chester Taylor. I call it first Adrian Peterson is a better RB than LT! Yes I said it. Sorry guys.

Yes Fire Norv Lamer (He's to soft), Revamp the playcalling on offense, and bench Rivers for a couple of games, because if the Chargers can't even get first downs, they definitly wont be able to make TD's.

Oh yeah the Jags did play a good game, you have to give them credit, great big players that manhandled the Chargers D line and O line. Good QB and two great RB's.

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Best. Video. Ever.

[Paladin]

I liked the part where Merryman got knocked on his tush. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy~


What will Sandy Eggo be like next week when the Blackbirds beat them? Does that mean the "fans" will sell their tickets for peanuts?

[Man-Goblin]

I liked the part where Merryman got knocked on his tush. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy~

Yeah. It would be cliche to say how obvious it is that his level of play has dropped significantly now that he's not on roids, so ya know, I won't say it.

[azbroncfan]

If this team was playing, or better yet, coached like they were last season, they'd probably be 9-1.

It's not the schedule. It's definitely Norv.

Also the QB in SD has regressed. LT isn't having another career year. OL doesn't look as Physical. Coaching takes the blame especially Norv but Ted Cottrel has always been pretty bad whereever he coach before SD.

[Paladin]

Remember how arrogant the Sparkie fans were around here last year?

Shove it, and enjoy it.....

[boltaneer]

Remember how arrogant the Sparkie fans were around here last year?

Shove it, and enjoy it.....

Really? The only regulars around here are me, 400Hz and Xenos and I think all three of us are pretty level-headed guys.

Unless you're referring to a couple of trolls that we never see around here anymore.