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BowlenBall
11-17-2007, 01:56 AM
Read the two articles below, then make your choice... Which linebacker would you rather have wearing the predominantly orange next year?
BowlenBall
11-17-2007, 02:00 AM
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/content/football/stories/2007/11/16/osufb_laurinaitis16.ART_ART_11-16-07_C1_SS8G83R.html?sid=101
Never satisfied
Awards, honors haven't diminished Laurinaitis' desire to keep improving
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THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
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Ohio State's James Laurinaitis prepares and plays like someone who is afraid the competition might be gaining on him.
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<!-- /ptr -->It's funny now to think of James Laurinaitis as a scared kid. But that's exactly what he was two years ago in Michigan Stadium.
As a freshman linebacker for Ohio State, Laurinaitis had just finished covering a kickoff when he was pressed into duty. On Michigan's first play, Buckeyes linebacker Bobby Carpenter suffered a broken ankle.
"I ran off the field and went to go get a drink of water and all of a sudden they were yelling at me to get in the game," Laurinaitis said. "And I was just like, 'All right,' and I jogged out there. I was extremely nervous, and I remember A. J. Hawk and Anthony Schlegel saying, 'Calm down, you're going to be fine,' and after the first few plays, you settle down a little bit."
Two years and 212 tackles later, how things have changed as Laurinaitis and the Buckeyes prepare for their return to Michigan on Saturday.
In the 2005 media guide, Laurinaitis is pictured as smiling and fresh-faced. It looks like a high school senior photo. That image has been updated.
Now, Laurinaitis is a serious-looking, buzz-cut, thick-necked veteran with tattoos on his heavily muscled arms.
As a sophomore last season, he was an All-American and won the Nagurski Award, given to the nation's best defensive player. Coming into this season, he was OSU's best-known player.
Laurinaitis' emergence didn't happen by accident, or purely because of his physical abilities. It happened because of something former OSU linebacker Chris Spielman noticed while the two watched film together this past spring.
"He didn't think he was good," Spielman said. "I mean, he knew he was good, but he knew he could be so much better. And I think most great players that are driven never think they're good enough. He's striving for perfection, and that's both a blessing and curse, to be honest."
It's a curse because he has a hard time enjoying success, his teammates say. Laurinaitis has had games of 12, 14 and 19 tackles this season, and the defense is ranked No. 2 nationally overall, and the Buckeyes are 22-2 the past two seasons.
Still …
"I don't think I've ever seen him satisfied after a game," cornerback Malcolm Jenkins said. "He's always talking about some play where he messed up or something like that. To win an award, a huge award as a sophomore, that can really mess up the rest of your career if you take the success the wrong way.
"I think he's done a great job of handling the success."
Not surprisingly, his coaches appreciate his attitude. Defensive coordinator Jim Heacock is not one to lavish praise, but he can't help himself when he talks about Laurinaitis' work ethic.
"There's a great example of a guy -- you can watch practice, any of our practice films -- and I point it out every day to the rest of our players, but you will not be able to find a play in practice that he takes off," Heacock said. "Every play, he's running to the ball as hard as he can run and he doesn't stop until he gets there.
"And it's great to point out a good football player who has become a good football player because he's worked hard every play."
Spielman said he believes Laurinaitis has improved his instincts this season. He understands the game better, so there is "not a lot of wasted steps or motion."
Laurinaitis admits to being more confident and having improved his size and speed. He realizes he has been put in the same class as great Buckeyes linebackers such as Randy Gradishar, Spielman and Hawk. He calls it an honor, and then he speaks of the responsibility he feels to carry that on.
But Laurinaitis doesn't spend much time in comparisons or self-praise. His mind spins forward, always wondering what he can do to improve.
It's as if he's haunted by the thought he might not fulfill his potential.
"You realize there's always somebody out there that's faster, bigger, better and stronger and that maybe wants it more," he said. "And you've got to try as an individual and as a team to stop that, to make sure that nobody wants it more than you do."
BowlenBall
11-17-2007, 02:01 AM
http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2007/11/16/Sports/Rivers.Extra.Year.Makes.Him.A.Total.Package-3106901.shtml
Rivers' extra year makes him a total package
Grant Tunkel
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Overbearing | Senior linebacker Keith Rivers, who could have left for the NFL following last season, leads USC in tackles with 70.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Go ahead, you make that decision.
Pass up a couple million dollars, the fame and fortune, the glamour of playing on Sundays. Stay another year. Hit the books instead of, say, Larry Johnson.
Do you think you could do it? Keith Rivers did.
"It was tough," he said of the choice. "I think I made a great decision."
A great decision by his own account, but not an easy one to make by any stretch.
In 2006, he was nothing short of phenomenal. He played in every game while leading the team in tackles with 85. He forced a team-high three fumbles and had 7 1/2 tackles for loss to go along with two sacks.
The list of accolades goes on: He was named All-Pac-10 First Team, earned Pro Football Weekly All-American honorable mention and won USC's Bob Chandler Award.
In all likelihood, Rivers would have been a first-day pick - if not a first-round pick. Big bucks. Name recognition. The bright lights of Radio City Music Hall.
But Rivers stayed, and he doesn't regret it one bit.
"I had an opportunity to be coached by great coaches," he said. "I'm glad I stayed, and I got the opportunity to grow more as a player."
His coaches agree: Rivers seems to have made the right choice.
"I think it's benefited him. He's gotten a lot better," defensive coordinator Nick Holt said.
The stats back up Holt's assessment. Once again, Rivers leads the team in tackles with 70, to go along with four pass defenses and two fumble recoveries.
But Rivers has grown into more than just a football player. By staying the extra year, he was given the opportunity to grow as a leader both on and off the field.
And the general consensus is the Trojans have another bona fide field general in their midst.
"He's really an obvious leader on the team," coach Pete Carroll said. "His leadership, his hard work ethic that he passes on, his seriousness about the game and how important it is to him - it's really, really valuable."
And for Rivers, it seems like that means mission accomplished.
"To be an extra leader, with more experience. [To get to where] I'm just another guy that can try to be a coach on the field," Rivers said of what he hoped to gain by returning.
He also said he made the decision because he wanted to grow as an adult and be able to make the mature decisions he'll have to make once he's on the road in the NFL.
Holt is quick to point out that he never redshirted, so while other players may have an extra year of maturity under their belt, Rivers does not. And he believes the outside linebacker has more than proven he's capable of handling himself in that regard.
"He's gotten more mature. I think the extra year was good for him [to grow as an individual]," Holt said.
Rivers' decision to stay didn't just benefit him, though. By staying, he has solidified the defense and been a key cog in the motor that drives the Trojans.
Very quietly, and without much mention, Keith Rivers' decision last spring to stay at USC for one more season might have been the most important thing to happen for the Trojans' defense this season.
How quietly?
To start, there wasn't a whole lot of fanfare for his announcement; it was held in a back room in the Sports Information office. To call it a press conference would be an exaggeration; it was more like an intimate gathering among friends.
It seemed as if it didn't even happen, as if it were no big deal; in fact, the Daily Trojan only gave it 15 or so words as a tease at the top of the sports section the next day.
And that was it - just another senior saying he would be back at the Coliseum in the fall.
But ask Carroll, and Rivers' decision to return has made all the difference for USC. He has been arguably their most important player on the defensive side of the ball.
"He's had a fantastic year. I can't even imagine going through this year without him," Carroll said. "He's had a lot of plays, a lot of big hits. He's been very, very consistent for us."
Holt went so far as to say that Rivers' return has been a "blessing" for the team.
And the general feeling is that when April comes, Rivers will be at the top of the ladder yet again. He might have passed up a high draft pick and a large contract to return to USC, but Carroll believes the extra year will pay off even more.
"He's really helped himself for his future," Carroll said.
And he knows a thing or two about what it takes to succeed at the next level.
NFLBRONCO
11-17-2007, 03:40 PM
He did nothing against Mich today he does sound like a perfect Bronco.
Didn't Michigan only score 3 points? The defense must have done something right.
I haven't watched much film on Laurinaitis however I have seen Rivers and i'm not very impressed. He didn't play up the the hype of a top 12 type LB.
NFLBRONCO
11-17-2007, 06:58 PM
Didn't Michigan only score 3 points? The defense must have done something right.
I haven't watched much film on Laurinaitis however I have seen Rivers and i'm not very impressed. He didn't play up the the hype of a top 12 type LB.
I watched the game today never noticed him is all. I'm not the draft guru you guys are but, I do like seeing guys make plays in big games. I have not watched him enough this year.
I watched the game today never noticed him is all. I'm not the draft guru you guys are but, I do like seeing guys make plays in big games. I have not watched him enough this year.
Yep
I like Dan Connor he is the guy that make you say Wow he is good.
Billy Clyde Puckett
11-18-2007, 12:46 AM
So, what did Conner do today. The PSU defense that the press likes gave up 35 points to an average team?
elsid13
11-18-2007, 09:53 AM
The LBs I am interested in:
OLB
Shawn Crable - UM - inconstate at times but has the ability to make some plays.
Dan Conners - Penn State - great player, to bad the team the DL isn't that good
Xavier Adibi -VT Might measure a little small but seem to always be around the ball
ILB
Beau Bell = UNLV - haven't seen him play a lot but seem to be force when I did and the draft site rate him highly
Spencer Larsen = Arizona - tackling machine. a little slow but I think of Trotter when I see him play.
Ben Moffitt = UCF - Another guy that seem to make plays.
Broncos_OTM
11-18-2007, 10:13 AM
I would pick JL if it werent for DJ. he is playing well in the middle. He might not be all world but i just dont want to see DJ moved YET again. let the guy mature into one position.
I think it would be to costly for the broncos to cut Ian Gold. So we might have to keep him another year. If it came down to it and we had to pick a LB in the first i would take rivers and play him at SLB until we can deal with gold
I think both are good but overrated.
Requiem
11-18-2007, 02:26 PM
I think the difference between them is Rivers' lack of instinct, but I still think he can be a great pro.
So, what did Conner do today. The PSU defense that the press likes gave up 35 points to an average team?Defensive player of the game: Not that a whole lot of defense was played, but Dan Connor had 13 tackles, and was all over the place as usual.
Not much :welcome:
Billy Clyde Puckett
11-18-2007, 04:34 PM
Defensive player of the game: Not that a whole lot of defense was played, but Dan Connor had 13 tackles, and was all over the place as usual.
Not much :welcome:
Did you notice Caulcrick carry him down field 4-5 times on his back to gain an extra 5 yards?
Did you notice Caulcrick carry him down field 4-5 times on his back to gain an extra 5 yards?
I understand your pain thats fine you must like Laurinaitis but (IMO)Conner is better that is all.
Billy Clyde Puckett
11-18-2007, 05:18 PM
No you got the wrong idea - I like Conner better than Laurinaitis.