"Simulating A Snap"

[RhymesayersDU]

Has anybody ever heard of this rule? I see why it's in place, and it's obvious that the motion man in this Indy/SD game was jumping up for that reason... But I don't know, I kind of have a problem with a penalty based on the intent of a person.

[Northman]

I dont know, i always thought that you could only have one guy in motion at any given time.

[That One Guy]

I thought it was a genius call... but I didn't know it was illegal.

[defenseman]

I don't think it was illegal to be honest. I think the refs blew the call. Bottom line is, the way the TE was lined up, he can move back. He's not considered in motion is my understanding. In any case, I think they blew the call...dman

[sirhcyennek81]

Colts do that all the time. So do the Chiefs...so do the Broncos. The chargers started pointing and a flag got thrown. I think the Colts got raped on that call.


:Broncos:

[CBF1]

According to Michaels and Madden, It was not illegal motion.

[Broncobiv]

I think it's because he jumped up out of his stance so quickly, thus "simulating the snap". If he had risen up out of his stance at a regular speed, like any other time during the game to go in motion, there would have been no penalty. But he clearly jumped up as if it was the snap of the ball.

[Wes Mantooth]

The context of that call in the past has been a sudden movement by the QB. Never have I seen it called with the wideouts shifting like that. Pretty lameo.

[boltaneer]

"Simulating a snap" has been called against the Chargers before. Can't remember who it was against but I believe it happened last year.

It was a very similar kind of shift. The only difference was that it was called on a field goal attempt.

[Orange_Beard]

Norv Turner was just called for Simulating a Coach.

[GoHAM]

Hey boltaneer, when Norv is driving the bandwagon, does he have that same deer in the headlights-"I don't have a clue what just happened" look on his face that he had tonight on all the closeups?

Just asking.

[CBF1]

Norv Turner was just called for Simulating a Coach.


Worthy of rep!:thumbs:

[Orange_Beard]

Worthy of rep!:thumbs:

I get one once in awhile.

[boltaneer]

Norv Turner was just called for Simulating a Coach.


This might be the post of the year! ;D

[boltaneer]

Hey boltaneer, when Norv is driving the bandwagon, does he have that same deer in the headlights-"I don't have a clue what just happened" look on his face that he had tonight on all the closeups?

Just asking.

I think the deer-in-the-headlights look is permantly stuck on his face.

He made two horrible challenges tonight that would have made Marty proud.

[BigPlayShay]

The only time I have seen simulating a snap called was the defense barking out calls that sounded like the offenses cadence. Illegal motion would have made more sense, but it would have been the wrong call.

[Jetmeck]

Colts do that all the time. So do the Chiefs...so do the Broncos. The chargers started pointing and a flag got thrown. I think the Colts got raped on that call.


:Broncos:


Sure did and got screwed on the "inadvertent" whistle call also that would have been at least 3 points if Vinateri wasn't a mess last night. Also there was pass interference onthe next to last series.....big time missed call.

[broncofan2438]

Don't think it was illegal, but wow im still pissed the dam colts couldn't pull it off.

[boltaneer]

It's illegal. I've seen it called before. It's just one of those calls that you very rarely see, like "leaping" on a field goal attempt.

I'm sure Rich Eisen will be asking Mike Pereira about this play on Wednesday.

[TexanBob]

I didn't see the second half of tonight's game but "simulating the snap" has been around for some time. I remember Marty trying that one on us in one of the playoff games and it didn't work.

A receiver can line up on the line, then move off the line as a precursor to going in motion however he has to make it look like a natural shift of position and not the start of a play. If they jerk out of their stance to draw someone offside, likely the refs will call "simulating a play".

I've also heard that phrase used as a call against the center for shifting the ball prior to the snap in an attempt to draw defenders offside.

[loborugger]

I think the deer-in-the-headlights look is permantly stuck on his face.

He made two horrible challenges tonight that would have made Marty proud.

He has that same glazed over look that Callahan used to get on the Raider's sidelines a few years ago.

[Rohirrim]

That was a BS call, but not as BS as the "inadvertent whistle" that robbed the Colts of sixty yards and a ball that should have been placed on the Chargers six yard line. That was the game right there. Inadvertent whistle? That means, "The ref is a dumb ass who just cost you the game."

[redrage]

Whether or not it was legal or illegal, that the Colts even tried it cost the them the game. I mean, do they REALLY think SD is going to fall for them hiking the ball on 4th and inches in that situation? If Manning hiked the ball, that would have been one of the dumbest decisions of all time. Down 2 with a chip shot FG under 2 minutes to go.

As a result of trying to trick SD, Dungy called a TO to argue his point. Adam missed the FG and instead of having 3 TOs to stop the clock and give Manning close to a minute to get into FG range AGAIN, Sd was able to run enough time off the clock.

The Colts could have just kicked what amounted to an extra point without fanfare, saved their TO if he missed and still had a chance to win. Yes, they got screwed throughout the game, but they lost it on that play IMO.

[Stuck In Texas]

I'm only a high school official, but I believe the NFL rule is the same - simulating a snap is illegal. If the movement is determined to be designed to intentionally draw the defense off sides - it is illegal. I've seen the Colts' tight ends go in motion a lot of times, but never with that kind of quick movement. I think it was a good call (and I was rooting for the Colts).

As for the inadvertent whistle - it happens. The back judge, or whoever blew the whistle, obviously thought the ball had hit the ground and it was incomplete. He should have held off on the whistle, but any official that tells you he has never had an inadvertent whistle is either lying or has just started officiating.

[broncs2bowl]

well if you think about it that is a good call as that is so hard to defend on defense. U talk about how offense has so many more advantages over defense these days and for a dlineman to have this against them it is just impossible. The guy moves and ur instincts say GO! but if the guy moves but the ball isnt snapped it takes time out of ur reaction. Thus causing u to lose position and possibly be pushed back.

That is a good call and a good penalty to have in the game. There is no exuse for Vinatieri to miss that field goal even 5 more yards back. It should actually help as u dont have to get the ball up as high as fast. Its basically an Extra point. Inexusable

[Bronco Billy]

Everything on that play was designed to get SD to jump offsides. The TE jumping out of his stance, Wayne sprinting in motion. The center jerking his head to look up. Manning even moved like he was getting the snap. Bottom line, the penalty didn't affect the outcome as the Colts weren't going to run a play anyway. Vinateri didn't do his job.

[Paladin]

Marty tried that against Denver in the famous "Drive" game with Cleveland. The TE moved and he was called for the "simulated snap play". Marty was pi$$ed and moaned about it in the post-game interviews. He'd said they talked with "the League" about that play and he thought they had done it "the way it needed to be done to be legal".