Selvin Young should be the starter

[Northman]

I know i know, we paid so much for Travis " my owie hurts " Henry but Selvin was a big part of our success today. His vision is far better than any back on our roster and he can be used in the passing game as well. My only problem with him today is he was letting the ball get away from him too much. But he is young (no pun intended) but either way he was clutch for us.

[Wes Mantooth]

can't wait to see him on the dvr. I'm in just for the fact that Henry seems like a pile of crap human being.

[bpc]

I would cut Henry outright. I know we won't but that is what should happen.

Just go with Young, Bell and Hall.

[Cosmo]

The league should just hurry up & bust his ass so we can cut him & recoup our money.

[Sassy]

Bell...might as well get rid of him too...he's been deactivated forever...and for what reason?

[DukeWoody]

Young is an explosive RB that i think could carry the load, BUT, he needs to work on ball security a little more...he just seems a little sloppy this way and we know what happens when you start dropping the rock to many times, right Tatum Fumbell?

[Dedhed]

We are undefeated when Young starts. He's explosive, and unlike many young RBs he understamds pass protection. He should start the rest of the season.

[lostknight]

I agree whole heartidly. Henry has been a distraction, and frankly slows the game down when he is in. When you have a team as young as ours is, that is not a plus.

Any man stupid enough to piss away 50 million for a toke a month before his suspension is up is clearly not a team player. We have the youth movement, let's keep working on that.

[theAPAOps5]

He got a little bit of the fumblitis but fortunate most were near him. There got that out of the way. But damn its nice to see a player have to make a cut and still have speed to outright run past another defender. That TD play was just awesome. He has vision to hit the hole AND can get to the corner.

I am with a lot of you. The Henry era can be short lived count me a Young fan.

[DomCasual]

Selvin is definitely a lot easier to pull for. I wasn't a big fan, though, of some of his downfield cuts. You make your first cut, and you go. I also cringed on the play where he went out of bounds. You could tell he took some crap for it, though, so hopefully he doesn't make it a habit.

[bloodsunday]

The league should just hurry up & bust his ass so we can cut him & recoup our money.

Why cut him now? They can wait and see how the above trio pans out (plus any adds we make in the offseason) and keep him on the roster until mid-2008. If our backs don't look good by this time next year, then keep him.

[broncofan2438]

Yea, at this point, f Henry. He is either getting in trouble with the law or he is a bitch on the field. GO Selvin

[bloodsunday]

Selvin is definitely a lot easier to pull for. I wasn't a big fan, though, of some of his downfield cuts. You make your first cut, and you go. I also cringed on the play where he went out of bounds. You could tell he took some crap for it, though, so hopefully he doesn't make it a habit.

His vision and burst do seem better to me right now than Henry. However, he needs to learn to finish a run. There is one run in my mind late in the 3rd quarter when he had run for 8 yards and could have easily had a first if he had finished it. Instead he kinda danced and tried to make guys miss and came up short. The next play the OL jumped off-sides and we punted a play later.

At this point he does seem to be the better back to me.

[DarkHorse30]

Good call..... I made it about 6 weeks ago. The guy reminds me of someone; and hits the hole hard.....except around the goal line, in that one game a few weeks back. He's only a rook, though....like 70% of our offense right now. Fun to watch.

[listopencil]

Young has great body control, great acceleration and very good speed. He also runs pretty tough, showing decent strength breaking arm tackles. I'd be OK with him as the starter, especially since Henry looks to be on the way out the door.

[orinjkrush]

I'd like this squad to go all rooks and sophomores as far as they can. it would give them a personality. The not quite ready for primetime Broncos.

[Killericon]

Let's let Henry get 1000 yards first...

[broncswin]

I agree with dumping bell, and just let the comish take care of Henry, I love watching Young, looks like Shanny found another gem(cross fingers), Young starts and Hall to back up. Great work Selvin!!

[lex]

After watching Young today, its hard not to look at Henry as obsolete.

BTW, Andre Hall is really doing a solid job on returns. Anyone notice how decisive he has been?

[hades]

You know if they start Selvin the rest of he year, Shanny will trade him this off season if he does well an his stock goes up.

[NYBronco]

Young has looked good when called on to play. He looked very good today. Henry can leave now as far as I am concerned.

[Sassy]

Rushing Yards
1 C. Portis, WAS, 137
2 J. Chatman, MIA, 124
3 R. Grant, GB, 119
4 S. Young, DEN, 109
5 W. Parker, PIT, 105

2 down...1 to go...I won't say it...but I'll be "thinking" I want a Colts loss! ;D

[Requiem]

Draft Mendenhall or Davis.

[Sassy]

Oops...I mean that w thing...but ... how I hate the Colts...see I can't say W along with the Colts in the same sentence.

[NYBronco]

Young was a little emotional during his post game interview.

[Requiem]

Much more respect after seeing Selvin on Football Night in America. Really humble. . . but still.

GO MENDENHALL/DAVIS

[yerner]

Good gamel but give it a break. There is no reason to cut anyone and no reason to think he's any better than all the other guys that come thru. Simmer down .

[theAPAOps5]

I can think of about 3 reasons why people don't care if Henry gets cut. But its already been discussed. Selvin Young is a story that us joe smoe's can get on board with. Undrafted, playing with heart, and so far a class act. People don't need to simmer down they need to get behind this guy and cheer him on. He is what one could call the anti-henry.

[Jetmeck]

Bell...might as well get rid of him too...he's been deactivated forever...and for what reason?


I don't know either. He had what 8tds and 800 yards
in limited duty last year. Young and Bell sounds right to me. WTF was Bell not at least backing up Young today ?

[Atwater His Ass]

I think a lot of the people that want Young to start are the same people that don't like Marshall. People around here have a hard time seperating the person from the player. Henry is a better RB than Young. However, with Henry's pending leagal issues and the potential issues associated with it, I can see grooming Young to start. But not because he's better than Henry, because Henry will probably be gone and Young is the 2nd best option.

[yavoon]

I can think of about 3 reasons why people don't care if Henry gets cut. But its already been discussed. Selvin Young is a story that us joe smoe's can get on board with. Undrafted, playing with heart, and so far a class act. People don't need to simmer down they need to get behind this guy and cheer him on. He is what one could call the anti-henry.

we need to stop fretting over our RB position and just take advantage of the fact we can get good RB's for cheap.

[cutthemdown]

Henry having a problem staying healthy this yr and his pending suspension pretty much puts Selvin in a good position to carry the ball many times over the rest of the season.

[2KBack]

I think a lot of the people that want Young to start are the same people that don't like Marshall. People around here have a hard time seperating the person from the player. Henry is a better RB than Young. However, with Henry's pending leagal issues and the potential issues associated with it, I can see grooming Young to start. But not because he's better than Henry, because Henry will probably be gone and Young is the 2nd best option.

I don't know if Henry is better than young. He is a tough runner, but he hasn't broken anything the way Young has. Not to mention he has to come out of the game every 3 plays with boo boos.

[yavoon]

I don't know if Henry is better than young. He is a tough runner, but he hasn't broken anything the way Young has. Not to mention he has to come out of the game every 3 plays with boo boos.

henry is better because he is tons stronger and strong RBs give us the nice advantage of being able to run better on goalline, 3rd down, etc. selvin is pretty elusive, and I'd actually rather just keep selvin/mike bell or something around as our running game.

[lex]

I don't know if Henry is better than young. He is a tough runner, but he hasn't broken anything the way Young has. Not to mention he has to come out of the game every 3 plays with boo boos.


Yeah, Selvin Young in fewer opportunities has had far more explosive plays. Until today, I believe our longest TD run was for 9 yards. Its nice to see Young have a 20 yard TD run.

[2KBack]

henry is better because he is tons stronger and strong RBs give us the nice advantage of being able to run better on goalline, 3rd down, etc. selvin is pretty elusive, and I'd actually rather just keep selvin/mike bell or something around as our running game.

That would be a good argument, if we hadn't been sucking at the goalline with Henry too. I'd personally like a Young/Bell combo as well. It's cheaper, and Bell seems to have a good nose for the endzone. I wish I knew what was up with that guy.

My ideal scenario is trading Henry for a 3rd rounder

[lex]

henry is better because he is tons stronger and strong RBs give us the nice advantage of being able to run better on goalline, 3rd down, etc. selvin is pretty elusive, and I'd actually rather just keep selvin/mike bell or something around as our running game.

Except weve been having problems scoring inside the 5. Meanwhile, our longest TD run before today was 9 yards. So if Henrys strength is inside the and that has been obsolete, you might as well try someone who can take it into the endzone beyond 10 yards.

[Broncos4Life]

I know i know, we paid so much for Travis " my owie hurts " Henry but Selvin was a big part of our success today. His vision is far better than any back on our roster and he can be used in the passing game as well. My only problem with him today is he was letting the ball get away from him too much. But he is young (no pun intended) but either way he was clutch for us.

This kid is fun to watch. I'm sure Shanny and Turner will have a talk with him about ball handling and they'll work on it throughout the week. Is it me or does this kid remind you of CP?

If Henry is ready 1 or 2 weeks from now he should be the backup. I just haven't seen anything from him in his recent games that shows me he deserves to be the #1.

[Dedhed]

henry is better because he is tons stronger and strong RBs give us the nice advantage of being able to run better on goalline, 3rd down, etc. selvin is pretty elusive, and I'd actually rather just keep selvin/mike bell or something around as our running game.

I don't buy that at all. Does Henry have a rushing TD this season? We certainly haven't been worth anything in goal line with Henry. Goal line is about vision more than strength, and Young seems to have great vision.

[lex]

This kid is fun to watch. I'm sure Shanny and Turner will have a talk with him about ball handling and they'll work on it throughout the week. Is it me or does this kid remind you of CP?

If Henry is ready 1 or 2 weeks from now he should be the backup. I just haven't seen anything from him in his recent games that shows me he deserves to be the #1.

He doesnt remind me of Portis. Theres not really anyone he does remind me of. Actually, maybe a larger, more functional version of Q.

[Broncos4Life]

I think a lot of the people that want Young to start are the same people that don't like Marshall. People around here have a hard time seperating the person from the player. Henry is a better RB than Young. However, with Henry's pending leagal issues and the potential issues associated with it, I can see grooming Young to start. But not because he's better than Henry, because Henry will probably be gone and Young is the 2nd best option.

I'm sorry my friend. Henry sure has done a lot more in this league then Young. From what I've watched this season, Young has showed better vision, cut back ability, burst to the hole and ball catching skills than Henry. He even turns what looks to be a loss into a gain. Not something I've really seen from Henry. Hes still a rook and will make mistakes.
Needs to work on holding on to the ball.
And I really like Marshall. So I'm not one of those guys.

[yavoon]

I don't buy that at all. Does Henry have a rushing TD this season? We certainly haven't been worth anything in goal line with Henry. Goal line is about vision more than strength, and Young seems to have great vision.

huh? strength is pretty damn important in goalline, certainly if strength is ever important its short yardage. and henry is definitely strong, whether he performs well in goalline, or has in the short time w/ us I dont remember. we suck at goalline thats for sure.

[yavoon]

Except weve been having problems scoring inside the 5. Meanwhile, our longest TD run before today was 9 yards. So if Henrys strength is inside the and that has been obsolete, you might as well try someone who can take it into the endzone beyond 10 yards.

I dont like signing free agent rbs like henry. we draft so damn well. and do so many other things poorly, why waste our drafting talent w/ rbs?

[Northman]

I think a lot of the people that want Young to start are the same people that don't like Marshall. People around here have a hard time seperating the person from the player. Henry is a better RB than Young. However, with Henry's pending leagal issues and the potential issues associated with it, I can see grooming Young to start. But not because he's better than Henry, because Henry will probably be gone and Young is the 2nd best option.


I love Brandon so there goes that arguement. At one time Henry might have been a good back. But with all his off the field problems and his tendency to hurt himself every other play i like having a young back there who wants to have the job. And quite frankly, i havent seen Henry cut back and explode on anyone since becoming a Bronco. This is part of the vision im talking about when it comes to Selvin. He did a lot of things that TD used to do and Henry has failed to do. If Henry would have been in there today we most likely would have lost today. The Oline played absolutely horrid and a lot of those runs were Selvin making the play not the Oline.

[lex]

I dont like signing free agent rbs like henry. we draft so damn well. and do so many other things poorly, why waste our drafting talent w/ rbs?

Since when is it bad to identify what you do well and try to be the best at it as opposed to good enough? I had mixed feelings about signing Henry but generally I agree with you. I dont see the need to pay big money for free agents. But for me, its about not getting what some other team didnt want along with what you said about doing well with our own guys. I definitely am against signing Turner.

[yavoon]

Since when is it bad to identify what you do well and try to be the best at it as opposed to good enough? I had mixed feelings about signing Henry but generally I agree with you. I dont see the need to pay big money for free agents. But for me, its about not getting what some other team didnt want along with what you said about doing well with our own guys. I definitely am against signing Turner.

hrrm, it should read for me:

"I dont like signing free agent rbs like henry. we draft so damn well. and do so many other things poorly, why waste our drafting talent w/ rbs by signing FA rbs?"

so if that changes ur reply my bad.

and I consider it like tony dungy and the colts who as a matter of organizational planning let dungy coach up and find undersized neglected defensive talent. raheem brock, robert mathis, about a dozen good LB's. its taking advantage of what they do well. I just want us to do the same thing w/ unknown RB's.

[lex]

hrrm, it should read for me:

"I dont like signing free agent rbs like henry. we draft so damn well. and do so many other things poorly, why waste our drafting talent w/ rbs by signing FA rbs?"

so if that changes ur reply my bad.

and I consider it like tony dungy and the colts who as a matter of organizational planning let dungy coach up and find undersized neglected defensive talent. raheem brock, robert mathis, about a dozen good LB's. its taking advantage of what they do well. I just want us to do the same thing w/ unknown RB's.

I agree about signing the FAs but beyond that there is the matter of when to draft RBs...early or late. We have often drafted productive RBs late but what Im saying is that I dont see a problem with using a high pick on a RB...depending on who it is.

[Dedhed]

huh? strength is pretty damn important in goalline, certainly if strength is ever important its short yardage. and henry is definitely strong, whether he performs well in goalline, or has in the short time w/ us I dont remember. we suck at goalline thats for sure.

Not as important as finding a crack. Not many backs are going to win a head on battle with DLs. We suck at goal line with Henry.

[yavoon]

I agree about signing the FAs but beyond that there is the matter of when to draft RBs...early or late. We have often drafted productive RBs late but what Im saying is that I dont see a problem with using a high pick on a RB...depending on who it is.

u could in theory do that, but u'd have eto be willing to let em go after their rookie contracts.

[lex]

u could in theory do that, but u'd have eto be willing to let em go after their rookie contracts.

Perhaps but not necessarily. There are a lot of moving pieces with such things.

[yavoon]

Perhaps but not necessarily. There are a lot of moving pieces with such things.

well in my dreamworld yes. because it would be using drafting talent at RB to free up cap space for say, elite lineman.

[lex]

well in my dreamworld yes. because it would be using drafting talent at RB to free up cap space for say, elite lineman.

I hear what your saying but it depends on the FMV of other players and if the RB is integral in winning SBs. I realize what happened with Portis, and I know this shapes the thinking of many on this topic. But you know if its someone similar to Terrell Davis after 1998, that theyd get their money. Theres no way they would have let Davis walk considering the impact he had on winning. And it depends on how other contracts overlap and such. Like I said, there are a lot of moving pieces.

[yavoon]

I hear what your saying but it depends on the FMV of other players and if the RB is integral in winning SBs. I realize what happened with Portis, and I know this shapes the thinking of many on this topic. But you know if its someone similar to Terrell Davis after 1998, that theyd get their money. Theres no way they would have let Davis walk considering the impact he had on winning. And it depends on how other contracts overlap and such. Like I said, there are a lot of moving pieces.

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[Drek]

I know i know, we paid so much for Travis " my owie hurts " Henry

We'll get most of that recouped after he's suspended, so that contract doesn't really have any impact on the decisions we make at RB long term.

I would cut Henry outright. I know we won't but that is what should happen.

Just go with Young, Bell and Hall.

No, what we should do is exactly what we're going to do, wait until the league suspends him so we can recoup every last cent of that signing bonus.

How is it the right thing for us to cut him and let him walk with $6M? Send the message that if you're a jackass you just need to hold off getting caught until you've got your first big deal signed? No, let the league suspend him, then take his ass to the cleaners in order to send a message to the rest of the roster. You **** up you don't get away with one red cent free.

The best part, depending on how the clauses were worded in Henry's contract we may actually retain the rights to him while still recouping his signing bonus. If thats the case we could then either make him play for us on the cheap, or should Young work out have ourselves a pretty proven back to trade away a year down the road to someone else for value. Thats what we should be thinking, how can we turn Henry's stupidity around on him and make it as poor a financial move on his part as possible?

I think a lot of the people that want Young to start are the same people that don't like Marshall. People around here have a hard time seperating the person from the player. Henry is a better RB than Young. However, with Henry's pending leagal issues and the potential issues associated with it, I can see grooming Young to start. But not because he's better than Henry, because Henry will probably be gone and Young is the 2nd best option.

I'm 110% in agreement that a lot of people here have blown some trivial poor choices on Marshall's part way out of proportion and I'm all for Young be the future at RB, so I guess you thought wrong.

Henry is a better back when healthy right now, but I don't think there is any guarantee he'd be better than Young next year or the year after. At the same time he costs much more money and is now going to be missing long stretch of games to start '08 as well as being a suspension risk for the next three years after that.

Personally, I don't think our RB situation could have worked out any better, assuming the rest of the team would be as down as they've been this week regardless. Henry is providing the leeway to let Young acclimate and step up his game at the NFL level without having to shoulder the full load. At the same time we're likely off the hook for almost all the big money in Henry's deal now because of his own stupid choices. So let him walk after we get what we need out of him this season and let a more experienced a polished Selvin Young battle it out with Andre Hall, Mike Bell, and another project draftee next camp, with Young as the early favorite.

[Northman]

We'll get most of that recouped after he's suspended, so that contract doesn't really have any impact on the decisions we make at RB long term.





Thats good to know.