Shula suggests asterisk if Patriots go undefeated WTF

[TDmvp]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057

Don Shula likes the Patriots' chances of going undefeated, but the Bill Belichick-inspired spying scandal has clouded Shula's thinking when comparing New England with his unbeaten 1972 Dolphins team.

"The Spygate thing has diminished what they've accomplished," Shula said in an interview with the New York Daily News. "You would hate to have that attached to your accomplishments. They've got it."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the Patriots were fined $250,000 and lost a first-round draft pick for videotaping the Jets' opposing sideline during the teams' season-opening game.

"That tells you the seriousness or significance of what they found," Shula said, according to the Daily News. "I guess you got the same thing as putting an asterisk by Barry Bonds' home run record.

"I guess it will be noted that the Patriots were fined and a No. 1 draft choice was taken away during that year of accomplishment. The sad thing is Tom Brady looks so good, it doesn't look like he needs any help."

The way the Patriots have been playing, Shula and the '72 Dolphins might find themselves answering more questions than in past years about whether their record will stand. New England improved to 9-0 on Sunday by beating the previously unbeaten Colts (7-1) in Indianapolis.

There have been serious runs made at the Dolphins' record before. The 1985 Bears started 12-0, then lost on a Monday night to a Dolphins team coached by Shula. The 1991 Redskins started 11-0 and the 1998 Broncos and 2005 Colts opened 13-0 before losing. Although members of the '72 Dolphins have become known for sipping champagne after the last unbeaten team falls by the wayside each season, Shula says stories of that annual celebration "have been blown out of proportion."

"You guys put forth the myth that we are pathetic losers down here clicking champagne glasses and clinging desperately to a record set 35 years ago," former Dolphins tight end Jim Mandich told the Daily News. "Somehow we've been portrayed as being evil. We don't ever blow our own horn. It's a great record, but the record doesn't get beaten.

"The Patriots have assembled a powerhouse of a team. They are a classy bunch of guys and play ball the right way. If they want to join the unbeaten club, come on aboard."

[missingnumber7]

Yea there should be an asterisk...The season was only 14 then, its 16 now...and they get a week off in there.

[Eldorado]

Anyone else see the Bangcartoon version of the 72 dolphins 'popin the cork' when the last undefeated goes down? Friggin hilarious. Can't help but think of it whenever I hear '72 Dolphins'.

[Crushaholic]

It looks like Mandich will be more gracious than his coach if/when the record is broken...

[defenseman]

bellicheat, and the patriots will never be able to get out from underneath that little "black cloud" known as spygate. It'll continue to pop up here and there. That's what you get Bill, when you don't play fair...deal with it...dman

[PatsRule]

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

[Beantown Bronco]

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.

[defenseman]

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

When the rest of the country starts echoing Shula, I can't wait to hear the moaning and crying from bellicheat and Miss Brady....hilarious...dman

*The FIRST question during some of the interviews, So Bellicheat, has the "spygate" affected your team and players? What have you put into place to make sure there isn't anymore "bellicheating" going on? On and on and on, looking forward to it...

[FantomForce]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3097057 What do you think of that Bilistink???

[FantomForce]

Please delete this thread sorry I saw the other one as soon as mine posted

[defenseman]

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

I'd be more worried about who is targeting Miss Brady's knees these days. "Their" days are numbered if the pats try to run up anymore scores. Distainful? Yep, pretty bad that someone would try to do that. Payback can be a real bitch sometimes, whether it's warranted or not.....dman

[Eldorado]

Anyone else see the Bangcartoon version of the 72 dolphins 'popin the cork' when the last undefeated goes down? Friggin hilarious. Can't help but think of it whenever I hear '72 Dolphins'.

I found it. Its Meanwhile '05 in december 05. Look in the archives.

[broncocalijohn]

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO


That is a sexy, pound shedding ex coach there Patsrule! This is what you get for cheating but Shula is off mark here. The simple fact is that Pats have been winning since the scandal. Yes, Belicheat sucks based on this and a few others but if this team goes on a wins the whole thing w/o a loss, then there should be no asterick. Hard to root for the Pats here or have the 72 dolphins celebrate once again. I will take the old farts and let them celebrate something good about the Dolphins.

[gunns]

The problem is Shula saying this. I wouldn't mind seeing the Dolphins lose the only unbeaten team, but there should be an asterik next to the Pats should they win out. They did it to themselves.

[gunns]

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.

The Pats opponents are a combined 35-38 and that's beating two 7-1 teams. You play who you get

[Garcia Bronco]

I've said this beofre...no matter what they do...they'll always have someone that will say they cheated. It's sad but true

[yavoon]

bellicheat brought it on himself.

[Northman]

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.


Intersting. I wasnt aware of that.

[Bronx33]

A big huge ASTERISK is well earned.

[Bronx33]

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.


This year should just about be the same..

[No1BroncoFan]

Not only were the '72 Dolphins' opponents lousy, but their wins weren't even that impressive:
1 at Kansas City Chiefs W 20-10
2 Houston Oilers W 34-13
3 at Minnesota Vikings W 16-14
4 at New York Jets W 27-17
5 San Diego Chargers W 24-10
6 Buffalo Bills W 24-23
7 at Baltimore Colts W 23- 0
8 at Buffalo Bills W 30-16
9 New England Patriots W 52- 0
10 New York Jets W 28-24
11 St. Louis Cardinals W 31-10
12 at New England Patriots W 37-21
13 at New York Giants W 23-13
14 Baltimore Colts W 16- 0
Two shutouts and only one real blowout.

Shula's right, the Pats should get an asterisk. After all, they're playing a longer season in a parity league. If they do go undefeated it will be far more impressive than what the Phish did!

Ben

[elsid13]

The words bitter old men comes to mind.

[Northman]

Not only were the '72 Dolphins' opponents lousy, but their wins weren't even that impressive:
1 at Kansas City Chiefs W 20-10
2 Houston Oilers W 34-13
3 at Minnesota Vikings W 16-14
4 at New York Jets W 27-17
5 San Diego Chargers W 24-10
6 Buffalo Bills W 24-23
7 at Baltimore Colts W 23- 0
8 at Buffalo Bills W 30-16
9 New England Patriots W 52- 0
10 New York Jets W 28-24
11 St. Louis Cardinals W 31-10
12 at New England Patriots W 37-21
13 at New York Giants W 23-13
14 Baltimore Colts W 16- 0
Two shutouts and only one real blowout.

Shula's right, the Pats should get an asterisk. After all, they're playing a longer season in a parity league. If they do go undefeated it will be far more impressive than what the Phish did!

Ben


Week 9: How ironic. Do you think the Dolphins got any complaints about running up the score? Ha!

[Popps]

Those 72 guys are disturbingly freaky about that record.

[Florida_Bronco]

Ain't gonna happen, so it really doesn't matter anyways.

[crazyhorse]

I've said this beofre...no matter what they do...they'll always have someone that will say they cheated. It's sad but true

When you cheat, you're labeled a cheater. What's sad about that?

[DomCasual]

You know, the only good thing that would come of the Patriots running the table would be for that stupid thing to go away. Shula's comments just re-emphasize it. I've always thought it was sort of tacky for them to be openly pulling for teams to lose as the year went on. Can you imagine something like that with any other record? Can you imagine John Elway inviting cameras into his living room, while he rooted against Brett Favre beating his all-time wins mark? Everyone would consider him a sour-grapes-eating scumbag - and justifiably so.

The year we started 13-0, it made me sick to see those old geezers celebrating our loss to the Giants.

[Los Broncos]

I think the Steelers beat them, get that party ready Shula.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I've said this beofre...no matter what they do...they'll always have someone that will say they cheated. It's sad but true

The Patriots are illegit in my eyes.

[Orange4Life]

You know, the only good thing that would come of the Patriots running the table would be for that stupid thing to go away. Shula's comments just re-emphasize it. I've always thought it was sort of tacky for them to be openly pulling for teams to lose as the year went on. Can you imagine something like that with any other record? Can you imagine John Elway inviting cameras into his living room, while he rooted against Brett Favre beating his all-time wins mark? Everyone would consider him a sour-grapes-eating scumbag - and justifiably so.

The year we started 13-0, it made me sick to see those old geezers celebrating our loss to the Giants.

I think I want the pats to do it. I hate those scum bag '72 dolphins doing their stupid celebration every year, since '98 I can't stand them. I hate the colts too and I kinda like the screw the world attitude the pats have right now.

[go_broncos]

I hope dolphins go 0-16 this season..

[Garcia Bronco]

it's sad from a football perspective. It's sad for everyone

[Natedog24]

Hate to say it, but man I hope the Pats go undefeated just so the 72 Dolphins can't worm their way back into the national spotlight every time someone gets close to their undefeated season. If anyone should have an * its that Dolphin team considering they didn't even play a full season back then...

[broncolife]

That is a sexy, pound shedding ex coach there Patsrule! This is what you get for cheating but Shula is off mark here. The simple fact is that Pats have been winning since the scandal. Yes, Belicheat sucks based on this and a few others but if this team goes on a wins the whole thing w/o a loss, then there should be no asterick. Hard to root for the Pats here or have the 72 dolphins celebrate once again. I will take the old farts and let them celebrate something good about the Dolphins.

Exactly so why should we believe they stopped cheating. I believe they should have at least had a slight drop off. They probably broke out all thier cheating material out so the can embarass teams now and make it look like they wernt cheating. I really doubt the NFL knows all the crap that they have been doing. I never hated this team until this cheating crap.

[Vegas_Bronco]

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source: 1972 Playoffs - wikipedia

I'm sure the Patriots will beat their opponents by twice the difference that the Dolphins ever did or could have...I hope the Pats go undefeated so Brady becomes a legend and maybe then we'll quit hearing about all this old teams that were great but wouldn't hold a candle in today's faster and stronger NFL.

[wabbit]

When you cheat, you're labeled a cheater. What's sad about that?


This is, typically I might add, such a paranoid load of steaming dung.

The hilarity of all this is that teams routinely try to steal signals from their opponent...using a videocam of some kind is simply a technology update from the binoculars up in a booth.

If it's not a videocam, it's pumped up crowd noise, or some flunky on the sidelines...every team does it, every year, every game, any way they can plausibly get away with it.

This whole thing is overblown hogwash probably born out of jelousy rather than the high & mighty 'integrity' of the game.

[PatsWin2002]

This is, typically I might add, such a paranoid load of steaming dung.

The hilarity of all this is that teams routinely try to steal signals from their opponent...using a videocam of some kind is simply a technology update from the binoculars up in a booth.

If it's not a videocam, it's pumped up crowd noise, or some flunky on the sidelines...every team does it, every year, every game, any way they can plausibly get away with it.

This whole thing is overblown hogwash probably born out of jelousy rather than the high & mighty 'integrity' of the game.


Post of the year!

It means so much more when you say it. :)

[yavoon]

The Patriots are illegit in my eyes.

hard to go back from cheating. I wonder how many teams they've stolen the signals from in previous years or how large their library of cheating was by the point they got caught.

[PatsWin2002]

Bump - for Wabbit's post.

You all need to read it. :)

[Garcia Bronco]

This is, typically I might add, such a paranoid load of steaming dung.

The hilarity of all this is that teams routinely try to steal signals from their opponent...using a videocam of some kind is simply a technology update from the binoculars up in a booth.

If it's not a videocam, it's pumped up crowd noise, or some flunky on the sidelines...every team does it, every year, every game, any way they can plausibly get away with it.

This whole thing is overblown hogwash probably born out of jelousy rather than the high & mighty 'integrity' of the game.


I hear what you're saying, but when the league specifically denotes this practice in a letter and you still do it....that's cheating of the first order.

[yavoon]

Bump - for Wabbit's post.

You all need to read it. :)

here's the summary:

everyone cheats, so its totally ok when bellicheat gets caught cheating. which is both a complete lie and a sad excuse.

[Circle Orange]

Those 72 guys are disturbingly freaky about that record.

True. The sepia prints of the '72 team will be made available on Ebay.

I don't give a rat's ass about the Pats, their legacy or how good everyone pumps to be. I would like to get through this season without the entire sports media being on their knees 24/7 for all things Pats and Colts. It's ridiculous, you'd think there were only 2 teams in the NFL or something. I don't get it.

[Eldorado]

I found it. Its Meanwhile '05 in december 05. Look in the archives.

Nobody saw that Bangcartoon, huh? This whole threads starting to remind me of that skit.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This is, typically I might add, such a paranoid load of steaming dung.

The hilarity of all this is that teams routinely try to steal signals from their opponent...using a videocam of some kind is simply a technology update from the binoculars up in a booth.

If it's not a videocam, it's pumped up crowd noise, or some flunky on the sidelines...every team does it, every year, every game, any way they can plausibly get away with it.

This whole thing is overblown hogwash probably born out of jelousy rather than the high & mighty 'integrity' of the game.


The Patriots now represent how our society as a whole will readily push aside morals and ethics for the id-pursuit of the instant gratification of stupid bragging rights.

How ethically corrupt are we if we cant even manage our ethics in things that dont really even effect us?

[wabbit]

here's the summary:

everyone cheats, so its totally ok when bellicheat gets caught cheating. which is both a complete lie and a sad excuse.

Yes, it is ok, because the name of the game is competitive advantage, and if you don't do something to make yourself or your team a little better than the next guy, you won't be around long in that environment...well, unless you're Carl Peterson for whatever reason there. (Everybody brace for the inevitable "Oh yeah?? Well, we're gonna kick your ass, maaaaan")

It doesn't make it right in a virtuous ideal, but the cliche'; 'if you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' didn't originate with Bill Belichick.

You really think the Patriots need to cheat to have a competitive advantage over the Jets??

Why do you think all coaches shield their mouths when they call in plays...you think they're whispering sweet little nothings to their QB??

Some organizations have been known to hire lip readers.

Coaches and players from one organization brief their new clubs on the signals and inner workings of their old club.

How is that different from filming signals??

It's just what teams do...and have done...all teams, all the time.

Sorry if it offends you.

Next.

[Eldorado]

Why do you think all coaches shield their mouths when they call in plays...you think they're whispering sweet little nothings to their QB??

Some organizations have been known to hire lip readers.

Coaches and players from one organization brief their new clubs on the signals and inner workings of their old club.

How is that different from filming signals??



uhhhmm b/c filming signals was DEFINED AS CHEATING IN A LEAGUE MEMO SENT TO THE CHEATRIOTS SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IT IN WRITING. AND THEN THEY GOT CAUGHT. CHEATING. CAUSE THEY ARE CHEATERS. :clown:

[wabbit]

uhhhmm b/c filming signals was DEFINED AS CHEATING IN A LEAGUE MEMO SENT TO THE CHEATRIOTS SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE IT IN WRITING. AND THEN THEY GOT CAUGHT. CHEATING. CAUSE THEY ARE CHEATERS. :clown:

...and I'm sure there was a memo against hiring lip readers somewhere along the line...or stealing signals in any fashion.

That's followed to the letter...right??

Next

[yavoon]

Yes, it is ok, because the name of the game is competitive advantage, and if you don't do something to make yourself or your team a little better than the next guy, you won't be around long in that environment...well, unless you're Carl Peterson for whatever reason there. (Everybody brace for the inevitable "Oh yeah?? Well, we're gonna kick your ass, maaaaan")

It doesn't make it right in a virtuous ideal, but the cliche'; 'if you aint cheatin', you aint tryin' didn't originate with Bill Belichick.

You really think the Patriots need to cheat to have a competitive advantage over the Jets??

Why do you think all coaches shield their mouths when they call in plays...you think they're whispering sweet little nothings to their QB??

Some organizations have been known to hire lip readers.

Coaches and players from one organization brief their new clubs on the signals and inner workings of their old club.

How is that different from filming signals??

It's just what teams do...and have done...all teams, all the time.

Sorry if it offends you.

Next.

hell lets just bribe refs already, you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin right! you're morally repugnant.

[Eldorado]

...and I'm sure there was a memo against hiring lip readers somewhere along the line...or stealing signals in any fashion.

That's followed to the letter...right??

Next

Next? Next what?

A straw-man argument is the surest sign of a weak mind.

:mullet1:

[lex]

Whats amusing about this is how quickly the world closes in around Shula when he expresses an opinion like this. I heard Mike Vrabel on the radio this morning badmouthing Shula because of this. Its like 99% of the talking heads (most of them in the NE) worship at the altar of the Patriots and if someone doesnt they feel they have free license to badmouth a HOF head coach. Wheres Mikes respect for the game? Shula can say what he wants...he has earned that.

[Garcia Bronco]

The Patriots now represent how our society as a whole will readily push aside morals and ethics for the id-pursuit of the instant gratification of stupid bragging rights.

How ethically corrupt are we if we cant even manage our ethics in things that dont really even effect us?

Exactly.

[Garcia Bronco]

Whats amusing about this is how quickly the world closes in around Shula when he expresses an opinion like this. I heard Mike Vrabel on the radio this morning badmouthing Shula because of this. Its like 99% of the talking heads (most of them in the NE) worship at the altar of the Patriots and if someone doesnt they feel they have free license to badmouth a HOF head coach. Wheres Mikes respect for the game? Shula can say what he wants...he has earned that.

You really can't listen to guys on the team about this...or their fans or anybody in between. Point blank they're bias. But they as an organization cheated to gain a competitive advantage on the field, they we're warned, and continued to do so. That's cheating of the first order. they can win the Super Bowl this year...and they still cheated. They disrespected the game, the NFL, the Fans, and themselves. And nobody can say different with a straight face. I feel sorry for their fans most of all. I don't feel like they need to defend the team on it, it's not their fault that BB is a morally bankrupt individual.

[HorseHead]

great...p-ss the Pats off even more....

Shula's does have great Steaks though.....

[BroncoMan4ever]

I am sorry to say but i agree with Shula.

Nobody knows how much cheating Belicheat did, because Goodell destroyed all the tapes and other evidence they took from New England.

Not only that but i think that all prior wins by Belicheat need to be scruinized.

Also, i think any player busted for steroids or any other performance enhancer needs to have an asterisk in anything they accomplish. (Merriman, Castillo)

[crazyhorse]

This is, typically I might add, such a paranoid load of steaming dung.

The hilarity of all this is that teams routinely try to steal signals from their opponent...using a videocam of some kind is simply a technology update from the binoculars up in a booth.

If it's not a videocam, it's pumped up crowd noise, or some flunky on the sidelines...every team does it, every year, every game, any way they can plausibly get away with it.

This whole thing is overblown hogwash probably born out of jelousy rather than the high & mighty 'integrity' of the game.

Spoken like a fan whose team currently holds a SB trophy from cheating.

[Bronx33]

Whats amusing about this is how quickly the world closes in around Shula when he expresses an opinion like this. I heard Mike Vrabel on the radio this morning badmouthing Shula because of this. Its like 99% of the talking heads (most of them in the NE) worship at the altar of the Patriots and if someone doesnt they feel they have free license to badmouth a HOF head coach. Wheres Mikes respect for the game? Shula can say what he wants...he has earned that.


Vrabel can't hold shulas ball sack shula knows his shyt and i agree with every word, belicheat knows it's truw that's why hes on this no mercy rampage (it's all hes got) left to control the damage.

[Arkie]

I'm getting tired of the Patriots. I don't like Belichick. He seems like a miserable person to be around. I can't stand Tom Brady's smug little smirk. I just wanted to show where I stood because I also agree with every word of wabbit's post. All teams get away with cheating. The Colts aren't the only ones blaring noise out of their speakers either.

[wabbit]

Spoken like a fan whose team currently holds a SB trophy from cheating.


Spoken by the fan of a team that hasn't won a championship in well over a generation.

[Sassy]

I'm getting tired of the Patriots. I don't like Belichick. He seems like a miserable person to be around. I can't stand Tom Brady's smug little smirk. I just wanted to show where I stood because I also agree with every word of wabbit's post. All teams get away with cheating. The Colts aren't the only ones blaring noise out of their speakers either.

Did Brady even shake Peyton's hand after the game? I heard Peyton was looking for him...

[chrisp]

Lets just clarify this a little shall we? Any team that is committed to winning will do whatever it takes. You would also expect them to bend the rules as much as possible even if they don't actually break them.

So whilst I do believe that teams caught 'cheating' should be punished, the punishment should fit the crime and nobody should suggest that such misdemeanors should irreparably tarnish any on-field achievements - that's just moralistic chest-thumping and a load of old nonsense.

Also, I do believe that videotaping other teams signals really does fit into the category of 'misdemeanor'. I mean, this is stuff that happens out in the open!! Are they going to make it a crime to just remember them next?

Yes its cheeky and yes they should be punished, but asterisk against an undefeated season? Shula's just sore because they have a legit chance to break his perfect season monopoly!

(not that I think they will by the way - they are less than halfway through the 19 wins required for a perfect season and the hardest games will probably be the two before the last one!)

[Cito Pelon]

I agree with Shula, and I'm so sick and tired of cheating that I think all leagues need to adopt the stance that victories and Titles will be stripped if individuals, coaching staffs, or owners are caught cheating.

[SteveTensi13]

Good God, I'd hate to be the 'Fins the next time they play the Pats. Prediction; 60-0, Pats!

[Inkana7]

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.

The Pats play in the AFC East.

Yikes.

[Merlin]

...and I'm sure there was a memo against hiring lip readers somewhere along the line...or stealing signals in any fashion.
That's followed to the letter...right??
Next
Actually, I am pretty sure you are wrong on the facts. It is not illegal to steal signs or read lips, in fact the league recognizes it as part of the game. However, the league was clear that USING VIDEO equipment was against the rules AND FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. Even though belicheat got the letter, he totally ignored it, then later refused to acknowledge it, and to make matters worse, acts as if the league owes him because it DARED REVEAL HIM as a CHEATER. He is the only reason that happened, and he is the reason the ASTERISK BELONGS.

BTW Crazy, the Broncos problem with the cap was not deemed to give a competitive advantage since it had nothing to do with getting players signed, but rather using players salaries (deferring the payments) to help finance the new stadium. The league's conclusions clearly state that fact...but your losers need to hang on to whatever shrivels of an excuse for failure that you can, so we understand.

[Garcia Bronco]

BTW Crazy, the Broncos problem with the cap was not deemed to give a competitive advantage since it had nothing to do with getting players signed, but rather using players salaries (deferring the payments) to help finance the new stadium. The league's conclusions clearly state that fact...but your losers need to hang on to whatever shrivels of an excuse for failure that you can, so we understand.

In essense it was a loan secured with interest. We broke no written rule, period. The Broncos as a business are completely free to get loans from whomever they wish, but I also understand the leagues view on it, and I thought the consequences were justified. As you said though...it amounted to a zero competitve advantage on the field.

[defenseman]

Good God, I'd hate to be the 'Fins the next time they play the Pats. Prediction; 60-0, Pats!

However, if a phins DL or LB happens to snap brady's left leg in half, they aren't going to care. They'll know they cinched the shutdown. I'm thinking Brady is the one who has to be careful. I'd be worried about having that big target on my back, and don't think it's not there, it certianly is........dman

[sonsofkraftybob]

When the rest of the country starts echoing Shula, I can't wait to hear the moaning and crying from bellicheat and Miss Brady....hilarious...dman

*The FIRST question during some of the interviews, So Bellicheat, has the "spygate" affected your team and players? What have you put into place to make sure there isn't anymore "bellicheating" going on? On and on and on, looking forward to it...

You say "everyone" yet YOU are the only one who cares...

Let me put it to you this way.

The Dolphins in 1969 were penalized a first rounder for tampering with the Colts HC, Don Shula. 2 years later the Dolphins went undefeated.

Do they have an asterik? Did you even know they lost a first rounder?

The only team I can think of that lost draft picks for cheating and crippled their franchise because of it till this day is....THE BRONCOS!!!!

LMFAO

Hey...but you got 2 Lombardi's out of it.

I'm sure the cheating had nothing to do with it because you have won so many times since that there should be no cloud of suspicion on the Donks that manipulating the cap had anything to do with your Lombardi's.

Wake up fool.

Those in glass houses...

[Garcia Bronco]

You say "everyone" yet YOU are the only one who cares...

Let me put it to you this way.

The Dolphins in 1969 were penalized a first rounder for tampering with the Colts HC, Don Shula. 2 years later the Dolphins went undefeated.

Do they have an asterik? Did you even know they lost a first rounder?

The only team I can think of that lost draft picks for cheating and crippled their franchise because of it till this day is....THE BRONCOS!!!!

LMFAO

Hey...but you got 2 Lombardi's out of it.

I'm sure the cheating had nothing to do with it because you have won so many times since that there should be no cloud of suspicion on the Donks that manipulating the cap had anything to do with your Lombardi's.

Wake up fool.

Those in glass houses...

Getting a coach wasn't cheating during a game.....and we didn't even break a written rule. The Pats on the other hand ....aka the red hand...got caught cheating during a game after they were warned. There is nothing you can say that will change that.

[crazyhorse]

A cheater duel.

This could get interesting.

[Garcia Bronco]

A cheater duel.

This could get interesting.

Your team cheated actually cheated in it's super bowl by taking a performance enhancer.

[lex]

You say "everyone" yet YOU are the only one who cares...

Let me put it to you this way.

The Dolphins in 1969 were penalized a first rounder for tampering with the Colts HC, Don Shula. 2 years later the Dolphins went undefeated.

Do they have an asterik? Did you even know they lost a first rounder?

The only team I can think of that lost draft picks for cheating and crippled their franchise because of it till this day is....THE BRONCOS!!!!

LMFAO

Hey...but you got 2 Lombardi's out of it.

I'm sure the cheating had nothing to do with it because you have won so many times since that there should be no cloud of suspicion on the Donks that manipulating the cap had anything to do with your Lombardi's.

Wake up fool.

Those in glass houses...

Youre really grasping at straws now. Its not even in the same stratosphere. Get that weak **** out of here.

[Dedhed]

What Don Shula just did was give Belichek the bulletin board material he needed to go all the way..You think Belichek cares what an old washed up ex coach thinks...NO

Testy are we? All Pats fans are bent that their Dynasty* has a poop stain on it. You can whine all you want, but it won't change the fact that the poop stain is.

BTW-It's typical of a Pats "fan" not to be able to spell their own coaches name. Can you name a starter other than Brady?

[gunns]

I hear what you're saying, but when the league specifically denotes this practice in a letter and you still do it....that's cheating of the first order.

Agreed, plus the arrogance that Belichick had to do it so blatantly during a game with one of his former coaches who knew, but then again I guess that arrogance was because he knew nada would really happen.

[gunns]

You say "everyone" yet YOU are the only one who cares...

Let me put it to you this way.

The Dolphins in 1969 were penalized a first rounder for tampering with the Colts HC, Don Shula. 2 years later the Dolphins went undefeated.

Do they have an asterik? Did you even know they lost a first rounder?

The only team I can think of that lost draft picks for cheating and crippled their franchise because of it till this day is....THE BRONCOS!!!!

LMFAO

Hey...but you got 2 Lombardi's out of it.

I'm sure the cheating had nothing to do with it because you have won so many times since that there should be no cloud of suspicion on the Donks that manipulating the cap had anything to do with your Lombardi's.

Wake up fool.

Those in glass houses...

First of all, you're delusional if you think very few care. The despised Colts were the most beloved team across this country this past weekend....and for one reason.

Second, the fact you state we are the only team to lose a draft pick shows your ignorance. Try San Francisco too. Were we able to put more than 11 players on the field at a time? Or have more than 53 on the team? Failure to pay players who had restructured, yep that'll get you a SB any year. Get real, it isn't even in the same realm as the Pats. Justify it anyway you want, Belichick put the stink in the Pats.

[Bronx33]

I wonder if the pats will run up the score on the buy week?

[Killericon]

You want an asterisk, how about this:

The 1972 Dolphins' opponents combined for an abominable 70-122-4 record. The 1972 team did not face a team that finished better than 8-6.

Yikes.

How about the "Cheating" that Shula did by negotiating with the Dolphins while still under contract with the Colts? It cost the Dolphins a 1st rounder.

[Circle Orange]

LOL, and the Rayduhs are still ticked about the "tuck" rule...;D

[PatsWin2002]

Shula's backpeddling show yesterday made him look like and even bigger idiot.

[Beantown Bronco]

Shula's backpeddling show yesterday made him look like and even bigger idiot.

Seriously....you'd think he was running for office or something.

[yavoon]

I wonder if the pats will run up the score on the buy week?

probably reviewing video tape from all the other teams they stole signals from.

[Cito Pelon]

...and I'm sure there was a memo against hiring lip readers somewhere along the line...or stealing signals in any fashion.

That's followed to the letter...right??

Next

Next, the Pats took cheating to a new level. That's ok with you? What's next? What's the next level of cheating that you will condone?

[lex]

I wonder if the pats will run up the score on the buy week?

I wonder if theyll purchase a new couch during their buy week.

[Bronx33]

Iam going to guess patty fan will be extremely happy if the golden squad loses a game (but won't admit it)

[wabbit]

Next, the Pats took cheating to a new level. That's ok with you? What's next? What's the next level of cheating that you will condone?

Look, It's not my choice to approve or disapprove...the whole cheating thing is like sex...only the details separate unacceptable behavior from a great idea.

It ends up being a game within a game...like squeezing a water balloon.

When the league frowns on one thing, teams and players find something else...& in the NFL environment, the 'gotcha' game will never stop...the NFL to some degree even tacitly approves.

Every team films & photographs the opponent offensive & defensive formations as they line up during a game and instantly sends them down to the sidelines for coaches to de-cipher (& reviews them during half-time)...and this is an accepted practice across the league.

I would imagine many of the non-descript 'sideline assistants' that all teams employ are engaged in some covert signal-stealing enterprise, but it's never become a major issue, or even a discussion.

Blatantly videotaping opponent signals does strike an arrogant tone, but how does that really differ from all the 'accepted' practices that achieve the same thing in only a slightly different way??

My point was, and is...it happens...everywhere, every game. Condoning or condemning isn't really the issue as long as the only penalty to getting caught is righteous indignation and a few fines.

[Crowpointer]

Yeah Baby !!

[The Moops]

I think Shula makes a compelling argument, but I disagree about an asterisk.

If the Pats go undefeated every time someone brings up the 2007 season, someone will invariably mention Spygate.