Meltdown thread.

[Dagmar]

Ok, lets keep the meltdowns to this thread. Theories about caoching, playcalling, injuries... kepp it here and the 'Mane might actually function today.


Long shot of the day goes to me.

[oubronco]

@#$@#@#*@#$$*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[eddie mac]

We're ****. No other way to sum it up really. We might have played better with Cutler in there but we'd still have lost and lost ugly.

[Dagmar]

@#$@#@#*@#$$*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree. I am also drunk.

[Bronx33]

Ok iam done

[MileHighMagic]

God hates me and there is no hope. :drown:

[ro_50]

Obviously the injuries hurt but other things do as well, inconsistent pass rush (outside of Elvis), shady linebacking play and no range with the aging safeties.

And on offense, lack of execution inside the red zone and inadequate O-line protection.

Right now, this is not a very good team, its below average.

[hades]

I bought a Bronco banner this year on my anual Denver home opener game. I put it up in the garage when we got home and we have only won one game since. Maybe I need to take it down?

[bpc]

I'd hold a firesale on most things Denver. This team needs a spark... some life... lots of leadership.

I'm still fine with Shanahan. He seriously needs to shake up his coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball. With Bates, I've seen Miami and I know what he's done in Green Bay. His system works... we do not have the guys to run it though.

QB: I think we are set at QB. Even with Ramsey, I still feel better with him back there than most others. Cutler will be great if we put players around him. We have a running offensive line protecting a passing QB. We don't have enough talent at WR.

HB: I would remove Henry right now. We are delaying Young's growth for a guy that can't keep his D!ck in his pants and won't stop smoking. Treat him like Tampa Bay treated Keyshawn Johnson a few years back. Just get him off the field. We need to completely stop signing players like this. Its the bottom line.

WR: Our WR's aren't good enough. We are either too old, too injured or not talented enough. Any time a guy who didn't even make our team coming out of training camp gets signed in the season and takes over as our 3rd WR, there is a problem. This is the case with Glenn Martinez. Hopefully Javon can come back and hopefully Brandon Marshall will grow up. I like Stokely but I think he is maybe a one or two year option at best. We need long term plans in case Brandon gets suspended for something stupid or Javon is never healthy again.

TE: I feel good about Scheff with Cutler... Graham never needs to complain about not catching balls again... even when they hit him in the hands he still doesn't catch them. I'm tired of his drops and honestly... if this keeps up we might want and need to cut our losses. We have 4/5 mill a season going to a one dimensional TE when we have holes on the OL, DL, LB, S and WR. Not very good money management. Maybe he'll turn it around in the 2nd half of the season though.

OL: I'm not going to run down Myers or Kuper. They've had a rough debut... some good things, some bad things. The problem is we went out and got a throwing QB and we have a run blocking OLine. A few of the guys are swing players that can pass block like Lepsis and Nalen previously. Other guys cannot though. Erik Pears would not be starting anywhere else in the league IMO. He gave up one first quarter sack this week after getting killed by Kampman last week. If I was KC, I would move Jared Allen from RDE to LDE for this game just for that matchup. We are playing with four OLinemen in the passing game. Less when the other players mess up. We need somebody at RT who is competent. We need a future player at LT. Where is Ryan Harris? Hopefully he is good. We should take a exorbitant amount of money and try to get the Colts O-Line coach. Seriously. They can run and pass block. We need to learn how to do that.

DE: I think we are good with Crowder, Elvis, and Moss. Engleberger sucks ass. I can't believe he's still on the roster. Hopefully we can bring Ekuban back next season as he is a free agent. I would be good with those four on the frontline for us. Rice is a MERC. Just another jersey and a paycheck. He should be gone.

DT: Thomas is developing at the 3 tech. He's made some plays. The 1 technique shaded over the center has completely sucked all year. I watched a couple plays against Detroit where Antwan Burton totally left his gap and we gave up huge runs. Adams is a merc. He doesn't care what uniform he wears anymore as long as he gets a paycheck. See Simeon Rice. Amon Gordon is a joke at the 1. BASICALLY WE HAVE A HUGE F'N HOLE here and until we get some talent to play this position we are going to give up 100 yd game after 100 yd game. Although I don't agree with some of the players we have at LB, they can only cover so much ground. Not the amount that our DLine has been giving up.

LB: Webster was never meant to be a starter. He can't run a disciplined attack on the field. He has no concept of responsibilities. Therefore the hole's created by the crappy DT play is magnified tremendously. Ian Gold has lost whatever skills he used to have. DJ Williams has talent, definitely some heart playing injured. More than most in this front 7. We really need to put him at Will and not worry about that position any more.

Secondary: We're old at safety and lack range. As for our CB's, Bly and Bailey are good. I don't know why we didn't lock these guys up on the opposing teams best receiver this past game. Instead we have Paymah and Foxworth covering Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams? That is a fundamental coaching flaw. As for those two guys... wasn't Foxworth just talking about waiting for his payday? He'll keep waiting after a weak game against Detroit. He just is an average player. The problem though is of all of our issues, this is the one that we can afford to look at the least.

Issues going into the offseason:

1. Get Cutler protection.
2. Get Cutler tools.
3. Get Bates players.
4. Cut out the worthless players that have no reason being here. Travis Henry, Simeon Rice, Sam Adams, Webster, and Gold. All of those guys should be gone. Lets do a clean sweep. Shanahan has to understand that there is no quick fix this time around... no one FA is going to change what has gone on with this team.
5. Recruit leadership. We don't have much. And the one's we do have are old. Is Rod still a captain?
6. Re-evaluate character issues in free agents/draftees. That means you people hoping to sign Albert Haynesworth in the offseason need to get the f' out. No more inate character frauds. My determination is guys that will smoke out, drink and drive, not full-fill responsibilities and/or will quit or laugh on the field when we are getting pounded 44-0. We need to make football ability #1 on our list of things to look at vs. athletic ability or 40 time, ect.

Prepare for the long haul, this team is bad. Might as well start over fresh.

[Cito Pelon]

This team isn't worth the energy necessary to post a meltdown..

[Los Broncos]

Today was bad, it cant get any worse.

[Vegas_Bronco]

San Diego game taught us all nothing compared to this gutless beat down...this is lower than low and it seems we have no answers...just more excuses and lame arse injuries to guys who are actually trying.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Obviously the injuries hurt but other things do as well, inconsistent pass rush (outside of Elvis)

Elvis is the definition of inconsistency. His name was called twice today, once on his sack that was nullifed by a facemask (should not have been a 15-yarder), and again when Duckett drug him into the endzone. He's been invisible in a ton of games over his two seasons, including both Indy games. He shows up in spurts, he's not a consistent threat yet.

[CBF1]

Long shot of the day would be Denver playing with any heart or passion

[MadCity]

"They don't have anything like me on this defense."

- Simeon Rice (10/19/07)

In the last 2 weeks....

5 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 pass defensed

Shut the **** up.

[rodr88]

Today was bad, it cant get any worse.

I wish you hadn't said that. Any time someone says it can't get any worse it always does. Just to counter act that I have to point out that it could have been the silver and black or red and gold that put that 44-7 on us. That would have been worse.

(Take the above seriously at your own risk)

[Rock Chalk]

Yeah wtf was up with the coverage calls today? Champ and Bly not on Williams and Johnson? Why in the hell was this the case?

[ro_50]

Elvis is the definition of inconsistency. His name was called twice today, once on his sack that was nullifed by a facemask (should not have been a 15-yarder), and again when Duckett drug him into the endzone. He's been invisible in a ton of games over his two seasons, including both Indy games. He shows up in spurts, he's not a consistent threat yet.

Yeah, you are correct but its sad when he's the best out there right now.

[DukeWoody]

Elvis is the definition of inconsistency. His name was called twice today, once on his sack that was nullifed by a facemask (should not have been a 15-yarder), and again when Duckett drug him into the endzone. He's been invisible in a ton of games over his two seasons, including both Indy games. He shows up in spurts, he's not a consistent threat yet.

I agree with your "He's been invisible in a ton of games over his two seasons" quote, but it could be used to describe many other Broncos players...Remember Trevor Price his last years here??...among many, many others... I think Elvis is a good little pass rush specialist being forced into a full time roll, so for the remainder of this year at least, Elvis will remain in the building...

[ZONA]

I do believe this poor play will continue. We do have some injuries but to be honest, looking back, I don't think we were that good even when those who are missing were healthy. I was optimistic through 5 games into the season but have since opened my eyes. We're 2 last second FG's and a timeout from 0-8. Think about it.

At least we will be drafting very very high next year. I would try to trade off some of the old vets (Lynch, Fergy, Gold, Rice, Adams) if anybody will take them, for picks........... like right now. Hopefully we can add some good talent. Being honest here, I don't think we win 7 games this season. I see us going 3-5 the second half too. The quality of play is just that bad right now.

[Sassy]

At least we will be drafting very very high next year.
BS. Never ever give up the wins for a freakin' draft pick that you don't even know will make the team.

[Sassy]

2. Get Cutler tools.
You mean a DEFENSE?
He has or HAD the O...but they are just a little banged up right now...:(

[CBF1]

I have not given up on wins, The Bronco players have done that for me.

[BroncoBuff]

Elvis is the definition of inconsistency. His name was called twice today, once on his sack that was nullifed by a facemask (should not have been a 15-yarder), and again when Duckett drug him into the endzone. He's been invisible in a ton of games over his two seasons, including both Indy games. He shows up in spurts, he's not a consistent threat yet.
Shanahan praised his run defense in week 2or 3, called him a "complete player."

Hard for me to criticize the only sack-threat we have ...

[missingnumber7]

At least we will be drafting very very high next year.
BS. Never ever give up the wins for a freakin' draft pick that you don't even know will make the team.

REP...I hate that people think that just giving up on a current season to get a draft pick is going to solve all the problems. When have we had a high draft pick that has been everything that they were cracked up to be? Our good draft picks have been those mid picks that have panned out. How about developing the young guys? Giving up on wins now scares away vets who would've thought about signing as a FA.

Biggest issue this team needs to fix now is shorter pass routes...get the frickin ball out of Cutlers hand faster. 3 step drops. Dink and dunk...we got recievers that can get yards for themselves.

And I figured out why marshall says he's baby TO...hes got hands like TO and drops even more passes.

[Broncoman13]

REP...I hate that people think that just giving up on a current season to get a draft pick is going to solve all the problems. When have we had a high draft pick that has been everything that they were cracked up to be? Our good draft picks have been those mid picks that have panned out. How about developing the young guys? Giving up on wins now scares away vets who would've thought about signing as a FA.
In case you haven't figured it out yet we're a little short on talent. The way the draft works, the guys with the most talent are generally selected first. You don't get guys like Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson drafting in the late teens. Will I hope for losses.... NEVER. But I also realize that an infusion of talent is a desperate need.

Biggest issue this team needs to fix now is shorter pass routes...get the frickin ball out of Cutlers hand faster. 3 step drops. Dink and dunk...we got recievers that can get yards for themselves.
CB's are already sitting on those short routes. Two INT's were avoided yesterday only b/c of tipped balls at the LOS. The first in the endzone and the 2nd near the Lions endzone on a ball that was almost intercepted anyway. Seriously, have you not been watching this team? We throw that fade and smoke screen pass about 10-12 times per game! Besides Marshall, who are those receivers that can get those yards themselves?

And I figured out why marshall says he's baby TO...hes got hands like TO and drops even more passes.

Brandon was pretty bad catching the ball today. But he does have a good set of hands. I agree though, yesterday he looked like he had frying pans for hands... CLANG CLANG!

bpc is right on most accounts. I don't completely agree on the character issues. I think you have to look at it on a case by case basis. Marcus Thomas has done okay this year. Travis Henry not so much so. Brandon Marshall is a character risk but I think he's a better team player than somebody like Simeon Rice. I guess the point is that a guy like Haynesworth should be given another opportunity. What he did to Gurode was disgusting, but if he really learned from that then there's no reason not to sign him. I think it's kind of a moot point though. The Titans will likely tag him.

[Sassy]

REP...I hate that people think that just giving up on a current season to get a draft pick is going to solve all the problems. When have we had a high draft pick that has been everything that they were cracked up to be? Our good draft picks have been those mid picks that have panned out. How about developing the young guys? Giving up on wins now scares away vets who would've thought about signing as a FA.

Biggest issue this team needs to fix now is shorter pass routes...get the frickin ball out of Cutlers hand faster. 3 step drops. Dink and dunk...we got recievers that can get yards for themselves.

And I figured out why marshall says he's baby TO...hes got hands like TO and drops even more passes.

I saw the Marshall thread and laughted...I wasn't impressed with Marshall at all yesterday.

[cmhargrove]

Man, we are getting low if we are criticising Elvis. I mean honestly, are you guys watching the game? Elvis is trying to put on a four man rush by himself. He gives up at least 50-60 lb's to each O-lineman he goes against, gets double teamed almost every passing down, and still finishes the play within arms reach of the QB. This kid is phenomenal, and I really wish you guys would examine your comments before you beat down our good players in frustration. The play where he got dragged into the endzone was a hustle play where he came back to the other side of the play to help. He met the ball carrier laterally and wasn't able to deliver a big hit. He got dragged a couple yards by a guy that already had his legs beneath him.

Ask yourselves this, if Elvis had the DT's from the Lions in the middle forcing double teams, where would his sack total be??? That's what I thought.

The inherent problem here, our DT's don't get double teamed because they aren't very powerful. That leaves extra blockers on our ends, or for blitz pickup. That means the system fails, our LB's and Safeties are exposed, and we crumble as a defensive unit. Our Dt's need to create a push and draw a double team for any of this to work.

Elvis is a freakin' stud, and we're lucky to have found him in the fourth round. If our Dt's did their job, you would be buying his jersey already...

[Man-Goblin]

I'm still numb from the Buffs and Broncos losing by a combined 99-17 in successive days. But once I'm ready to meltdown I am sure it will be a doozy.

[Traveler]

Added Shanahan: "Now we'll find out what we're made of, that's what I told our football team. People are going to use excuses; we've got guys hurt here, guys hurt there. We still had the opportunity to play much better than we did and we didn't do it. You can use all the excuses you want; we've got to play much better than we did regardless of a couple guys being banged up."

I don't know what I'll do if I hear that bull sh!t cliche again!

[WyoLaw]

I posted this in another thread as well:
My only question is if you get rid of Shanahan; who do you bring in as a replacement? I've heard people say Cowher, Martz and the like; but would they really be any better? Is there a college coaches who could make a successful transition? Hell, I'm at a loss.
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[defenseman]

Added Shanahan: "Now we'll find out what we're made of, that's what I told our football team. People are going to use excuses; we've got guys hurt here, guys hurt there. We still had the opportunity to play much better than we did and we didn't do it. You can use all the excuses you want; we've got to play much better than we did regardless of a couple guys being banged up."

I don't know what I'll do if I hear that bull sh!t cliche again!

Same ole, same ole. Very disheartning. I wonder is the players are feeling the same way, same ole bull sh!t from the head coach. this just won't get it done. Time to throw the bats, gloves and equipment into the shower with them...dman

[Traveler]

Same ole, same ole. Very disheartning. I wonder is the players are feeling the same way, same ole bull sh!t from the head coach. this just won't get it done. Time to throw the bats, gloves and equipment into the shower with them...dman

You know if we are tired of hearing it, the players be tuning it too.

[broncofan]

Maybe if we end up with a top 7 or 8 pick we'll manage not to **** up our first round pick this year...

[Rock Chalk]

I saw the Marshall thread and laughted...I wasn't impressed with Marshall at all yesterday.

Really?

You must have hated Rod Smith with all his dropped passes in his first few years too.

Shut up.

[DBroncos4life]

I'm still numb from the Buffs and Broncos losing by a combined 99-17 in successive days. But once I'm ready to meltdown I am sure it will be a doozy.

ah ha ha ha try being a Husker fan and a Broncos fan this year. I about hung myself when I started thinking oh well atleast I have the Cavs to look forward too!

[lazarus4444]

I have not given up on wins, The Bronco players have done that for me.

Word. I feel the same way, lets get high draft picks because Shanahan has lost this team. They have no heart, no guts and have given up. I'm still a Broncos fan but I've given up on this years team because they have given up on themselves. I've got better things to do on Sunday than watch the Broncos self-destruct.

[lazarus4444]

Ok, since this is a melt down thread i think we should clean house. We need to start over, literally.

1. Find a new head coach. Pat shanny on the butt, give him a nice thank you for his service and dedication and hire a coach with some fire, some passion.

2. Trade any player with value that has more than 6 years experience so we can build up our draft picks (Yes, trade champ, bly. Doubt there is anybody else worth trading).

3. Clean out the front office and get people in here who can judge talent.

4. Get a coach whose offensive system fits Cutlers abilities then build the D around a coach with the types of players he needs to run his system.

5. I would like to see us go with bigger offensive line. Our method of using second day picks and undrafted FA's as our O-linemen are not working and led to Cutlers getting beat up in the pocket.

I can go on and on but that would be a good start. Don't get me wrong, i'm grateful to Shanahan for what he has given us but he is stale now and its time to get somebody with life on the sidelines. I see coaches getting excited every week but not ours. He might crack a smile if he is excited but its kind of hard for players to get pumped up if their leader is a dead fish. That's all for now.

[broncsyanks]

sorrry say to hell with bates "system" that made us turnover so much on defense and not sign appropriate o guys. and this is the kicker: we still dont have the guys to run his system. we were a top 10 defense before he came here. now we are 27th. to hell with that idea.

[Man-Goblin]

Yes, trade champ, bly.


There is only one rule that I believe trancends all sports; you don't trade hall of famers. Period.

[bpc]

PART II.

I think anybody who wants to get rid of Shanahan is fooling themselves. The thing that Shanahan needs is veteran leadership that will get guys in the right position on the field and take them to task if they are not. LOSING CANNOT BE ACCEPTED. It is right now. Guys are laughing on the sideline of a 44-0 blowout... the second time something like that has happend this season. Shanahan hasn't had that leadership all year. It's partly been his fault I guess but any guys perceived as leaders (Javon, Champ, Lynch, Cutler, Ekuban) have all gone down with injuries.

I don't think this squad is hopeless but I do think we have a few cancers on the team (Henry with his legal issues, MERC Defensive linemen, and a few LB's that don't care to play their assignments) that need to be removed.

We also need to find some cornerstones for this roster who will stand up and be accountable with their play and vocal leadership. If we get one or two of those guys this offseason, you'll see a dramatic turn around. Guys like Cutler, Marshall (HOPEFULLY), Elvis, Marcus Thomas, Jarvis Moss, DJ Williams, Champ Bailey will continue grow and to improve their leadership qualities and play on the field.

We also need to be better in the coaching aspect. We need to drive the guys harder, push them farther. I'll never accept a offensive line coach who doesn't yell because you are coaching five guys as one. There has to be fear there. That's why Alex Gibbs has been so good for so long. Those guys understand the importance of every snap in unison. Rick Dennison is smiling on the sideline during a blowout when his unit got our franchise player killed? Not just this week but its happened like that a bunch. Last week as well. SF last year. What is he coaching out there.

I am in favor of getting some new coaches in Denver especially on the offensive side. I'm tired of the "yes, sir" guys in the building.

And to further up the point that was brought up earlier... WHY, WHY, WHY have 10 million dollars tied into our CB's if we are going to have them covering SHAUN MCDONALD AND MIKE FURREY when the guys that killed on Detroit were the players we suspected that would... Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams. That is the worst scheme i've ever heard of. I'm not a defensive coach but not even i'm that dumb. Kitna's eyes had to be huge when he saw that over and over and over.

That's all, i'm done.