Cutler is quietly becoming awesome.

[Kaylore]

I re-watched the Steelers and the Packers games and I'm surprised how good Cutler is starter to look. What;s more impressive is no one is saying anything about it. Has anyone noticed some of the things he's been doing?

Fox example did you know that Cutler's rating on third down is 112? For comparison, the only guy ahead of him there is Tom Brady with 113. More than completion percentage and all the silly stuff that can skew QB rating, his conversions on third down are flying up - particularly on third and long.

Also he's done some other impressive things that are less statistic heavy, like completing 76 percent of his passes against the Steelers, who haven't been cut up through like that in several years. He moved the ball very well against a Packers D that has contained a lot of QB's (with the exception of Rivers) and kept most QB ratings in the sixties this year.

He's really starting to come into his own. I also re-watched every snap, and some people here who said his mechanics were bad (Popps) must have been watching a replay of the '05 AFC championship game because his mechanics are pretty good and only getting better. I saw two snaps where he held onto the ball too long and tow throws where he didn't plant and throw into his hips. That's it. Favre had more mistakes fundamentally than Cutler did, actually.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that he's really starting to come into his own. It's a good time, too because we're going to need him down this last stretch of games here.

[Los Broncos]

Yes he is, in the next couple of years with enough weapons he will unstoppable.

[RhymesayersDU]

He's no Vince Young, but he's OK.


/Alec

[Arkie]

He's no John Elway, but I suppose he'll do.

[broncofan2438]

Cutler is a badass

[Cosmo]

This is exactly why I dont care if we win or lose. Watching Cutler is just plain entertaining & amazing. I know that this year is probably a wash, but watching this kid grow is damn exciting. I'm sorry to all those that loved Elway, but this kid is better earlier than Elway was. As long as he keeps improving, the sky is the limit for this kid.

[SoCalBronco]

He's no Vince Young, but he's OK.

****ing morons.

/Alec

I fixed it for you.

[Bronx33]

Patience is a virtue

[theAPAOps5]

He's no Brodie Croyle............

And that is ****ing fantastic.

[Bronx33]

I fixed it for you.


Nice touch with the blind hate thing...

[bpc]

He really has been spectacular all things considered. Remember, if we put the team in this kids hands, great things could happen to this franchise. We just need to keep building around him.

Even a better feeling, I love how good Selvin Young looked in the Green Bay game. It was just a trial run but he has a perfect skill set that could fit this team with Cutler at the helm. He can run, he can catch and he'll make plays. That is exciting.

We need Cutler to take the next step. With that i'm fully endorsing doing whatever it takes to make this offense a powehouse. The sooner we get those weapons around him that can benefit him, the better we will do on the field. I'm using Indianapolis as an example. In Manning's first few years, they kept adding players around him. He had Harrison and Edge but they kept drafting guys like Wayne and Clark among others. They kept adding pieces of the puzzle for the defense through the draft and though it took them awhile, they are a complete team right now winning on average 12 or 13 games a year.

I think if there is a guy out there like Chad Johnson being put on the block around the league, I think it would be a great idea to take a flier on him. Maybe it cost us a 1st rounder and Foxworth... a 1st, Foxy, and Mike Bell to Cincy for Chad. Do it. For one we don't know what the future will hold for Javon Walker. Will he be the same player he was with Green Bay or just damaged goods from here on out? We are hopeful that Brandon Marshall will take the next step as a great WR and his off the field incidents will fade away. WHY risk this these things falling through? Just make a deal for a guy that is one of the best players and deep threats at his position.

Some people will argue he is a cancer in the locker room... I laugh at this. I don't think he is a cancer, I think he is a guy that wants to win... and he wants to score... and he wants the ball in his hands. That's what great players do. I want a player who wants that and proves that he will get there. He also would add a verticle element to passing game that we don't have right now. We are driving Cutler in this offense like he is a station wagon when we need to be running him like the Ferrarri that he is. THROW THE BALL DOWNFIELD!

We have put our money into Cutler as the future face of this franchise. We would be well-served to make some moves to back up that assumption. This should be our number 1 priority moving forward.

[eddie mac]

Also factor in the fact he's missing his top WR, his favourite pass receiving TE hasn't been 100% and his starting center and guard have been out. Most 2nd year QB's would crumble in a situation like that but Jay's quietly flourishing.

Give this kid a good Defense and his hands will start to get heavy with gold (Not the useless LB).

[AboveAverage]

I was going to mention something about this, but had just forgot about it. The last two games he has really impressed me with his play.

[Crushaholic]

This is exactly why I dont care if we win or lose. Watching Cutler is just plain entertaining & amazing. I know that this year is probably a wash, but watching this kid grow is damn exciting. I'm sorry to all those that loved Elway, but this kid is better earlier than Elway was. As long as he keeps improving, the sky is the limit for this kid.

That's just silly. It's fine to watch a young quarterback develop, but his accomplishments are vastly overshadowed by a defense that can't buy a stop. This is still a team game...

[Ray Finkle]

I think Cutler can make descent WR's good which is why I think the Broncos will draft heavy on LB, S, and DE in the draft next year.

[BlaK-Argentina]

That's just silly. It's fine to watch a young quarterback develop, but his accomplishments are vastly overshadowed by a defense that can't buy a stop. This is still a team game...

I think he meant that it's ok that we're not winning because we can watch our future young stud QB develop. And I agree, I would be a lot more pissed off and sad if we didn't have Cutler right now.

[Bronx33]

That's just silly. It's fine to watch a young quarterback develop, but his accomplishments are vastly overshadowed by a defense that can't buy a stop. This is still a team game...


Just to be fair lets remember when the D did make the stops the O couldn't put it in for 7 but iam going to cut that fault in half based on the conservative red zone calls by shanahan.

[yerner]

Yep. I love how we can roll some dude named Martinez and Clark out there and Culter will get them to make plays. It's pretty cool to watch. Would be nice to score occasionally though.

[Requiem]

Wouldn't give all that up for Johnson. I'd just assume and draft a young speedster like DJ Hall. With Walker and Smith being out, and Cutler still impressing, it'd be interesting to see how he'd do with another quality back or receiver to pair along side him.

[enjolras]

You also have to be excited about:

Cutler - Can't add to what's already been said.
Kuper - Already shown flashes of being pretty good
Myers - Ditto
Marshall - If he can stay healthy he's going to be incredible. Hell he already IS incredible. I just hate how many hits he takes.
Scheffler - I still think he's going to be a force as a pass catching tight end. His timing with Cutler is already very good. He adds to this offense.
Running back - I have a pretty good feeling about Selvin Young.

That's just the really young guys.

We still have Walker (hopefully healthy) and Graham. Hopefully we can hold on to Stokely.

We need to fill some holes on the offensive line, but I really do think this team has the pieces to be special on the offensive side of the football for quite awhile.

[Kaylore]

Myers has really impressed. I think he's a natural center and I think it is there that he will thrive.

Kuper can be great. He struggled last game when he'd over extend himself. I think he was thinking a little too much last game. Just needs to keep his body more compact.

Marshall is sick and Scheffler is picking up right where he left off last season. We were using him draw PI all last game. Scheffler is going to cause a lot of problems for defenses.

For all the flack Shanahan has been taking, the last couple drafts have been exceptional.

[-Slap-]

I wouldn't trade Jay for any player in the League. The only two players who I would consider equal value are Manning and Brady. I would rather keep the 24 year old and watch his entire career from day one. It will be that much more rewarding to see him hoisting Lombardi in a Bronco uniform some day.

[Cosmo]

That's just silly. It's fine to watch a young quarterback develop, but his accomplishments are vastly overshadowed by a defense that can't buy a stop. This is still a team game...

Call it silly all you like, I sometimes think we need a lousy season just so some fans wake up & appreciate things. We've been spoiled for far too long and I'm just enjoying watching some nice young players with very bright futures.

[Bronx33]

Call it silly all you like, I sometimes think we need a lousy season just so some fans wake up & appreciate things. We've been spoiled for far too long and I'm just enjoying watching some nice young players with very bright futures.


Nice post..

[Rock Chalk]

He's no Vince Young, but he's OK.


/Alec

Sponsoring haterade? Ive had some high praise for Cutler the last two weeks. I thought he had the best two games of his career and I was way less harsh on him against Green Bay than anyone else was. Hell I thought he had his best game ever against GB.

Furthermore, I have yet to make a single comment about Vince Young other than to keep reminding you people of that fact every time you people bring it up.

I guess that's the status quo around here. One person says something, his little lackey's latch on, and then everyone begins to believe it to be true.

On and SoCal, you ****ing moron.

[Rock Chalk]

But yeah Kaylore, I agree. I see vast improvement in the last two games in his overall game, but most importantly, I see his confidence sky rocketing. He still has some minor issues that I dont expect will get worked out for a year or two, maybe even three, but his cool demeanor on 3rd down is really impressive.

The most important thing for me though is that he has had two good games in a row. Really good games. If he has three, then four, then five good games, even if we lose, then one of the few concerns remaining with Cutler, at least for me, is resolved and thats consistency.

[Kaylore]

That's just silly. It's fine to watch a young quarterback develop, but his accomplishments are vastly overshadowed by a defense that can't buy a stop. This is still a team game...

I think people need to be able to see the bigger picture here. There is no question that the first goal is to win. However a loss or a problem with one unit shouldn't negate the positive things that are developing on the team. This is a good example of people around here being too hysterical over losses. It is common that after a loss people think the whole team sucks. Savvy observers can see the genesis of something bigger and appreciate it while it's in its early stages. It's exactly what Atlas was talking about earlier.

[Kaylore]

But yeah Kaylore, I agree. I see vast improvement in the last two games in his overall game, but most importantly, I see his confidence sky rocketing. He still has some minor issues that I dont expect will get worked out for a year or two, maybe even three, but his cool demeanor on 3rd down is really impressive.

The most important thing for me though is that he has had two good games in a row. Really good games. If he has three, then four, then five good games, even if we lose, then one of the few concerns remaining with Cutler, at least for me, is resolved and thats consistency.

Yes. And these games have been against stout defenses. That's what makes it more impressive.

[bpc]

Yes. And these games have been against stout defenses. That's what makes it more impressive.

I think if he could have found a way to win the Green Bay game against a 3 time MVP and future HOF in Favre, I think his progress in terms of confidence would have been excelerated so much.

More than even winning that game for Denver, I wanted Jay to win that game for his confidence.

[azbroncfan]

Thing I like is he has shown to play well with the game on the line at the end. 4-4 this year with 3 wins and a tying FG.

[MechanicalBull]

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here. If Denver ends up going like 7-9 or 8-8 but towards the end of the season if guys like Cutler, Marshall, Scheff and so on are playing great and are really starting to catch fire then I won't be too upset about the season.

It was either the sunday or monday night game where they showed his rating outside of the pocket and it was the best at around 132 if I'm not mistaken.

[Orange_Beard]

I agree he has made much progress. I would like to see more of the long ball, like the pass to Javon last year against AZ.

I am really enjoying watching him zip the ball around the field.

[mattob14]

He really has been spectacular all things considered. Remember, if we put the team in this kids hands, great things could happen to this franchise. We just need to keep building around him.

Even a better feeling, I love how good Selvin Young looked in the Green Bay game. It was just a trial run but he has a perfect skill set that could fit this team with Cutler at the helm. He can run, he can catch and he'll make plays. That is exciting.

We need Cutler to take the next step. With that i'm fully endorsing doing whatever it takes to make this offense a powehouse. The sooner we get those weapons around him that can benefit him, the better we will do on the field. I'm using Indianapolis as an example. In Manning's first few years, they kept adding players around him. He had Harrison and Edge but they kept drafting guys like Wayne and Clark among others. They kept adding pieces of the puzzle for the defense through the draft and though it took them awhile, they are a complete team right now winning on average 12 or 13 games a year.

I think if there is a guy out there like Chad Johnson being put on the block around the league, I think it would be a great idea to take a flier on him. Maybe it cost us a 1st rounder and Foxworth... a 1st, Foxy, and Mike Bell to Cincy for Chad. Do it. For one we don't know what the future will hold for Javon Walker. Will he be the same player he was with Green Bay or just damaged goods from here on out? We are hopeful that Brandon Marshall will take the next step as a great WR and his off the field incidents will fade away. WHY risk this these things falling through? Just make a deal for a guy that is one of the best players and deep threats at his position.

Some people will argue he is a cancer in the locker room... I laugh at this. I don't think he is a cancer, I think he is a guy that wants to win... and he wants to score... and he wants the ball in his hands. That's what great players do. I want a player who wants that and proves that he will get there. He also would add a verticle element to passing game that we don't have right now. We are driving Cutler in this offense like he is a station wagon when we need to be running him like the Ferrarri that he is. THROW THE BALL DOWNFIELD!

We have put our money into Cutler as the future face of this franchise. We would be well-served to make some moves to back up that assumption. This should be our number 1 priority moving forward.

You know, after '06 I thought we'd turn our focus to defense, but I tend to agree with what you're saying (I don't want Johnson, though). The investment has been made in Cutler, let's maximize that investment and build around him. My personal choice would be to start at LT and Clady would be a nice addition, but a playmaking WR would be a benefit as well. Requiem mentioned DJ Hall earlier, and I'd take him in round 2 in a heartbeat. Adding those two would really round out our young core and set the offense up for years to come.

[mattob14]

This is exactly why I dont care if we win or lose. Watching Cutler is just plain entertaining & amazing. I know that this year is probably a wash, but watching this kid grow is damn exciting.

I also belive the struggles will make him a better QB in a year or two. Right now, Cutler's forced to improvise, scrambling or changing arm angles to deliver the ball on a regular basis. Once the young OL gels and he has more time to sit in the pocket, I belive we'll see Cutler's game elevate to a whole new level.

[RhymesayersDU]

Sponsoring haterade? Ive had some high praise for Cutler the last two weeks. I thought he had the best two games of his career and I was way less harsh on him against Green Bay than anyone else was. Hell I thought he had his best game ever against GB.

Furthermore, I have yet to make a single comment about Vince Young other than to keep reminding you people of that fact every time you people bring it up.

I guess that's the status quo around here. One person says something, his little lackey's latch on, and then everyone begins to believe it to be true.

On and SoCal, you ****ing moron.

Whoa there big guy, it was a joke.

[Cito Pelon]

I re-watched the Steelers and the Packers games and I'm surprised how good Cutler is starter to look. What;s more impressive is no one is saying anything about it. Has anyone noticed some of the things he's been doing?

Fox example did you know that Cutler's rating on third down is 112? For comparison, the only guy ahead of him there is Tom Brady with 113. More than completion percentage and all the silly stuff that can skew QB rating, his conversions on third down are flying up - particularly on third and long.

Also he's done some other impressive things that are less statistic heavy, like completing 76 percent of his passes against the Steelers, who haven't been cut up through like that in several years. He moved the ball very well against a Packers D that has contained a lot of QB's (with the exception of Rivers) and kept most QB ratings in the sixties this year.

He's really starting to come into his own. I also re-watched every snap, and some people here who said his mechanics were bad (Popps) must have been watching a replay of the '05 AFC championship game because his mechanics are pretty good and only getting better. I saw two snaps where he held onto the ball too long and tow throws where he didn't plant and throw into his hips. That's it. Favre had more mistakes fundamentally than Cutler did, actually.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that he's really starting to come into his own. It's a good time, too because we're going to need him down this last stretch of games here.

The Dude is very bright, and he's sure the captain of the O. He's a competitor, but I think he's leashing himself. He's his own man, and I like that, he has a strong personality. He knows this is his team, and I think Shanny wants him to make this his team. I think Shanny give him a lot of latitude, except in the red zone. Shanny gets uptight there. Hell, I don't know. The Dude looked so good directing traffic when Pitt came to town, rolling out to the left from the five, threw a strike to Sheffler for a TD. And then we don't see that no more.

The obvious conjecture is Shanny doesn't trust The Dude to throw in the red zone. Why? I don't know. After that TD throw to Sheffler where it was clear Cutler was on the beam, was calm, cool, directing traffic, was obviously gonna throw a TD, Shanny still thinks the run is the way to go.

I don't know. I'm lost as to what the O philosophy is inside the 10-15. Seems like they are more interested in being cute than scoring 7.

[Cito Pelon]

This is exactly why I dont care if we win or lose. Watching Cutler is just plain entertaining & amazing. I know that this year is probably a wash, but watching this kid grow is damn exciting. I'm sorry to all those that loved Elway, but this kid is better earlier than Elway was. As long as he keeps improving, the sky is the limit for this kid.

BS. Winning is why you play, what the f is that BS about? "I don't care if we win or lose"? That's baloney. What, you figure this is a fantasy team? Buzz off, bum.

[Jason in LA]

In terms of yards and completion percentage, Cutler is doing very well for a guy with a limited amount of starts. Once he limits the interceptions, he'll be one of the top QBs in the league, and Shanny will let him air it out some more.

Cutler has been great in the clutch, leading the team on a number of scoring drives late in games.

He's doing this with a number of injuries on offense. Hopefully next year they can keep everybody healthy. Cutler should take the next step, and he'll be scary.

[Cito Pelon]

Also factor in the fact he's missing his top WR, his favourite pass receiving TE hasn't been 100% and his starting center and guard have been out. Most 2nd year QB's would crumble in a situation like that but Jay's quietly flourishing.

Give this kid a good Defense and his hands will start to get heavy with gold (Not the useless LB).

The Dude has what, 6 game tying or game winning drives in the 4th Q in his first 12 games? That's very impressive.

[Cito Pelon]

In terms of yards and completion percentage, Cutler is doing very well for a guy with a limited amount of starts. Once he limits the interceptions, he'll be one of the top QBs in the league, and Shanny will let him air it out some more.
Cutler has been great in the clutch, leading the team on a number of scoring drives late in games.

He's doing this with a number of injuries on offense. Hopefully next year they can keep everybody healthy. Cutler should take the next step, and he'll be scary.

I think the O should go for broke right now on the opponents side of the 50. 3-4 is not real good, eh? Whatever it takes to score TD's.

[Popps]

The only thing standing between Cutler and Manning is coaching/mechanics. Actually thought the Packers game was some of his worst work, mechanically.

As long as he's coached properly, he'll be a star. Hopefully someone is working on this stuff with him. He's a Pro Bowler in the making.

[eddie mac]

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here. If Denver ends up going like 7-9 or 8-8 but towards the end of the season if guys like Cutler, Marshall, Scheff and so on are playing great and are really starting to catch fire then I won't be too upset about the season.

It was either the sunday or monday night game where they showed his rating outside of the pocket and it was the best at around 132 if I'm not mistaken.

Monday night they showed that. Infact they strenuously focused on this fact and that GB were the worst in the league at defending playaction which is why I was quite confused whenever we stopped doing it 2nd half and kept him in the pocket.

[eddie mac]

The only thing standing between Cutler and Manning is coaching/mechanics. Actually thought the Packers game was some of his worst work, mechanically.

As long as he's coached properly, he'll be a star. Hopefully someone is working on this stuff with him. He's a Pro Bowler in the making.

I agree to a point. He did look extremely poised once he got outside the pocket but he looked a little jittery inside. I was totally ****ed off that we tried to keep him between the hash lines for most of the 2nd half. IMHO this was another major factor as to why we lost the game.

[eddie mac]

I think the O should go for broke right now on the opponents side of the 50. 3-4 is not real good, eh? Whatever it takes to score TD's.

There's a major problem there considering there's no speedsters on the roster. The only deep threat is Scheffler down the middle or Marshall taking a 15 yarder and turning it into 50. Given time Cutler can find any receiver down the field but in order for them to get there we need some serious pass blocking and although it's hasn't been poor this season it's still not good enough for the deep game.

[Cosmo]

Hey Cito, go back to the hole you crawled out of. I'm a fan whether we win or lose and watching Cutler is entertaining. I love wins, but wtf are wins going to do when the rest of the team is blowing. Getting to the playoffs by the skin of our teeth just to lose like we have been just isn't worth it to me. I want us to grow as we need to and go to the playoffs knowing we have a legitimate shot at winning the big game. Cutler is key to this, thus watching him grow is all the more fun. So just keep your mouth shut boy.

[Cito Pelon]

There's a major problem there considering there's no speedsters on the roster. The only deep threat is Scheffler down the middle or Marshall taking a 15 yarder and turning it into 50. Given time Cutler can find any receiver down the field but in order for them to get there we need some serious pass blocking and although it's hasn't been poor this season it's still not good enough for the deep game.

That's a good point, speed downfield. Nevertheless, I think the men we have at the skill positions can get open downfield. Stokley is open a lot. Graham and Sheffler are open a lot downfield. Cutler the 12 game man doesn't recognize it quick enough right now, and the pressure he gets from here there, everywhere at times makes him throw faster than he and the staff wants him to. Sometimes he throws faster than he has to.

This is why I want to see some more attacking when they're inside the opponents 50. The dropbacks can be shorter, the routes can be shorter, but still into the end zone when the LOS is at the 20-25-30-35. This O has barely tapped it's potential. I figure they should certainly win at Detroit and put up 24-28 pure O, and let's see what the ST's can provide.

[Cito Pelon]

[QUOTE=Cosmo;1773523]Hey Cito, go back to the hole you crawled out of.

The pansy shows some spirit.

I'm a fan whether we win or lose and watching Cutler is entertaining. I love wins, but wtf are wins going to do

The pansy emphasizes he's a pansy.

Getting to the playoffs by the skin of our teeth just to lose like we have been just isn't worth it to me.

The pansy reemphasizes he's a pansy.

I want us to grow as we need to and go to the playoffs knowing we have a legitimate shot at winning the big game. Cutler is key to this, thus watching him grow is all the more fun. So just keep your mouth shut boy.

Hilarious! A leetle pansy like you means nothing to me, punk.

[Cosmo]

Hilarious! A leetle pansy like you means nothing to me, punk.


Hey BoB, check the milk cartons in Kansas City, I think your cousins have lost a child.

[Garcia Bronco]

Fox example did you know that Cutler's rating on third down is 112? For comparison, the only guy ahead of him there is Tom Brady with 113. More than completion percentage and all the silly stuff that can skew QB rating, his conversions on third down are flying up - particularly on third and long.

.

Yep. we've been talking about it for weeks

[DB_champ24]

Ive been very impressed with him the last 2 games and I feel confident as a fan that hes going to lead the team down the field when they need the score during the end of games.

[Cito Pelon]

There's a major problem there considering there's no speedsters on the roster. The only deep threat is Scheffler down the middle or Marshall taking a 15 yarder and turning it into 50. Given time Cutler can find any receiver down the field but in order for them to get there we need some serious pass blocking and although it's hasn't been poor this season it's still not good enough for the deep game.

That's a good point, speed downfield. Nevertheless, I think the men we have at the skill positions can get open downfield. Stokley is open a lot. Graham and Sheffler are open a lot downfield. Cutler the 12 game man doesn't recognize it quick enough right now, and the pressure he gets from here there, everywhere at times makes him throw faster than he and the staff wants him to. Sometimes he throws faster than he has to.

This is why I want to see some more attacking when they're inside the opponents 50. The dropbacks can be shorter, the routes can be shorter, but still into the end zone when the LOS is at the 20-25-30-35. This O has barely tapped it's potential. I figure they should certainly win at Detroit and put up 24-28 pure O, and let's see what the ST's can provide.

[DB_champ24]

That's a good point, speed downfield. Nevertheless, I think the men we have at the skill positions can get open downfield. Stokley is open a lot. Graham and Sheffler are open a lot downfield. Cutler the 12 game man doesn't recognize it quick enough right now, and the pressure he gets from here there, everywhere at times makes him throw faster than he and the staff wants him to. Sometimes he throws faster than he has to.

This is why I want to see some more attacking when they're inside the opponents 50. The dropbacks can be shorter, the routes can be shorter, but still into the end zone when the LOS is at the 20-25-30-35. This O has barely tapped it's potential. I figure they should certainly win at Detroit and put up 24-28 pure O, and let's see what the ST's can provide.

I like ur points..I agree

[Xenos]

Jay Cutler with helmet on = awesome
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6223/jaycoh1.png
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061129/061129_cutler_vmed_5p.widec.jpg
http://endzone.pscoggin.com/Graphics/news/2006_12_24_WalkerJ_CutlerJ.jpg



Jay Cutler without helmet = not so much
http://cache.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/Cutler_Jay_mug.jpg
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2007/0806/20070806__ENGLEWOOd_cutler~p1.jpg
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/1125/20061125_080001_BronxJ112606_300.jpg


It's night and day man.
http://www.cowgirlsinc.com/Images/SiteImages/flIMG_9206.jpg

[Los Broncos]

I wonder if hes banged any hot chicks since becoming a Bronco?

[Jetmeck]

I am still looking for that mistake free game. Hasn't he had an int in EVERY game and the last game, well heck a fumble on the opponents goal line ?

I know it is asking for alot but this isn't good enough to come back from from one bad mistake like that in any game. I'll hold my praise until he makes no mistakes and has a 300 yard game with three tds....lol

[Cito Pelon]

My sister in law wants him bad.

[SoCalBronco]

Jay Cutler with helmet on = awesome
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6223/jaycoh1.png
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061129/061129_cutler_vmed_5p.widec.jpg
http://endzone.pscoggin.com/Graphics/news/2006_12_24_WalkerJ_CutlerJ.jpg



Jay Cutler without helmet = not so much
http://cache.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/Cutler_Jay_mug.jpg
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2007/0806/20070806__ENGLEWOOd_cutler~p1.jpg
http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/1125/20061125_080001_BronxJ112606_300.jpg


It's night and day man.
http://www.cowgirlsinc.com/Images/SiteImages/flIMG_9206.jpg


No disrespect intended to Mr. Cutler, but I like the last picture you posted the best, Xenos.

[Xenos]

No disrespect intended to Mr. Cutler, but I like the last picture you posted the best, Xenos.
Yes I liked it the most too. But you know you can't risk derailing the main topic and all, so you got to be somewhat sly in slipping things like that in...;D

[Cito Pelon]

I am still looking for that mistake free game. Hasn't he had an int in EVERY game and the last game, well heck a fumble on the opponents goal line ?

I know it is asking for alot but this isn't good enough to come back from from one bad mistake like that in any game. I'll hold my praise until he makes no mistakes and has a 300 yard game with three tds....lol

I know you're not stupid, but what the heck was that?

"I know it is asking for alot but this isn't good enough to come back from from one bad mistake like that in any game."

What?

[Cito Pelon]

Yes I liked it the most too. But you know you can't risk derailing the main topic and all, so you got to be somewhat sly in slipping things like that in...;D

Pretty good.

[BroncoBuff]

If Javon were healthy, we'd have one of the top overall receiver corps in the league.

Javon
Brandon Marshall
Brandon Stokley
Scheffler
Graham

That is a Top-5 receiving corps in the NFL. So I don't understand all this consternation over lack of 'breakaway speed', cito, eddie mac, DB ???.

[JJJ]

Count me in as a big Cutler admirer. Guy is good enough to get you back to the Superbowl, or will be in a season or two, if he gets a defense to give him some field position and gets some injury-free weapons at wideout.

All he needs is more confidence that comes from experience. You guys got a top 4 QB for the next decade if Shanny has enough patience.

[KCStud]

He's no Brodie Croyle............

And that is ****ing fantastic.

Ignorant statements like these will tend to make a person lose credibility. Tell me again, how many games has Croyle played?

8 TD to 8 INT with an 86 QB rating and an embarassing 1-6 record against winning teams is not impressive

Cutler has been an average QB thus far and looking good mostly against losing teams. He will get better over time, but as of right now, he hasn't shown any signs of being a great QB

[Kaylore]

Ignorant statements like these will tend to make a person lose credibility. Tell me again, how many games has Croyle played?
Croyle can't even beat out a career backup on one of the most anemic offenses in the last ten years of football. That's all we need to know about him.
Cutler has been an average QB thus far and looking good mostly against losing teams. He will get better over time, but as of right now, he hasn't shown any signs of being a great QB
You're stupid. The Steelers, Packers and Jags are all good teams where he played well. I reiterate: you're stupid. Love that you said it and then accused someone of being ignorant.

[azbroncfan]

Ignorant statements like these will tend to make a person lose credibility. Tell me again, how many games has Croyle played?


There is a reason he hasn't played, he has sucked it up so far. Sperm did everything but just hand him the job while giving him a hand job and he still wasn't good enough for the job.

[KCStud]

Croyle can't even beat out a career backup on one of the most anemic offenses in the last ten years of football. That's all we need to know about him.

You're stupid. The Steelers, Packers and Jags are all good teams where he played well. I reiterate: you're stupid.

Huard is WINNING. You don't replace a QB of a team that has won 4 out of its last 5 games. YOU are stupid

BTW-Where were all 3 of those games played that you listed? That's right...

[KCStud]

There is a reason he hasn't played, he has sucked it up so far. Sperm did everything but just hand him the job while giving him a hand job and he still wasn't good enough for the job.

If you're gonna blast Croyle at least know the facts. It wouldn't have mattered. Carl wanted the team to win now and a second year QB who barely had any experience in his first year wasn't gonna be the QB Carl wanted...

[DBroncos4life]

He looks great out of the pocket as well. Yeah our season isn't going to plan but it will be a huge stepping stone for the future.

[cutthemdown]

Cutler has the worst problem you can have.......turnovers. He has that problem in college and in both years in pros. I have to admit I'm worried about his abilty to make smart decisions and protect the ball.

He does show the abilty to get ball to every spot on the field but he has left some long throws short. He's getting better at the screen pass. He's getting better with his ball fakes.

What I haven't seen is him checking off at the long of scrimmage and using audibles to change play. Is Shanny not letting Cutler audible? Has anyone asked at a press conference if cutler audibles?

[Jetmeck]

I know you're not stupid, but what the heck was that?

"I know it is asking for alot but this isn't good enough to come back from from one bad mistake like that in any game."

What?

That what happens when your fingers can't keep up with your train of thought.

This team is not good enough right now to overcome any mistakes, period.

[Jetmeck]

If you're gonna blast Croyle at least know the facts. It wouldn't have mattered. Carl wanted the team to win now and a second year QB who barely had any experience in his first year wasn't gonna be the QB Carl wanted...


Another unwanted KC troll. Look bud I happen to live in KC and have saw all his games, he has looked like arse every time. There hasn't even been a glimpse of an NFL QB out of him and if you say different can Homer on !

[crazyhorse]

He's also thrown as many picks as TDs. What's so awesome about that?

Getting into field goal range at the end of the game is cool and all. But how about a QB that can play well for 4 quarters?

Not to mention, the reason there is a need for a 4th quarter come back is because of the stupid turnovers earlier in the game.

He makes some nice throws, no doubt. Awesome though is not only too strong a word, but simply not true.

[cutthemdown]

you have to admit though crazy that Cutler is doing somewhat ok for a first year starter. If he isn't a lot better next year I would be more worried.

Like I said though I do worry about the turnovers. I feel the FG instead of TD is a Bronco problem though not to be blamed on Cutler. It's more not being able to run the ball well in the redzone and the play calling lacks imagination.

Croyle however hasn't really showed enough to even know if he is going to be a starter. I am impressed with KC's ability to win games though. If KC beats GB then they are in a good spot.

[FrontRowSeat1]

These posts are amazing to me. Whats his win loss record. Come on people, be realistic. Right now he is a project with a good future, no more, no less.

[crazyhorse]

you have to admit though crazy that Cutler is doing somewhat ok for a first year starter. If he isn't a lot better next year I would be more worried.

Like I said though I do worry about the turnovers. I feel the FG instead of TD is a Bronco problem though not to be blamed on Cutler. It's more not being able to run the ball well in the redzone and the play calling lacks imagination.

Croyle however hasn't really showed enough to even know if he is going to be a starter. I am impressed with KC's ability to win games though. If KC beats GB then they are in a good spot.

No question. Cutler has times where he looks for real.

As for Croyle, I'm in the camp that believes he hasn't been given much of an opportunity to show what he does or doesn't have. He may not be worth anything. But no one knows for sure one way or the other. Personally, I would like to find out.

[dsmoot]

Myers has really impressed. I think he's a natural center and I think it is there that he will thrive.

Kuper can be great. He struggled last game when he'd over extend himself. I think he was thinking a little too much last game. Just needs to keep his body more compact.

Marshall is sick and Scheffler is picking up right where he left off last season. We were using him draw PI all last game. Scheffler is going to cause a lot of problems for defenses.

For all the flack Shanahan has been taking, the last couple drafts have been exceptional.

I like some of the things being said here. I agree that some of the OL mentioned may have good upside. However the OL must make another step or two in the red zone, it isn't just Shanahan's play calling. These young men must be able to perform on the OL without being blow up at the point of attack. Until this happens, Shanahan's play calling will be limited and so will the offensive success in the red zone. We can talk about skill players all we want but this team will not find offensive consistency until our OL can dominate in the red zone, it is not just the playcalling.

[dsmoot]

Cutler has the worst problem you can have.......turnovers. He has that problem in college and in both years in pros. I have to admit I'm worried about his abilty to make smart decisions and protect the ball.

He does show the abilty to get ball to every spot on the field but he has left some long throws short. He's getting better at the screen pass. He's getting better with his ball fakes.

What I haven't seen is him checking off at the long of scrimmage and using audibles to change play. Is Shanny not letting Cutler audible? Has anyone asked at a press conference if cutler audibles?


Go look up John Elway's TD/Int/Fumbles statistics his first two years. Report back to us what they were and tell us why you are still worried or not patient enough to delay such a judgement. Then go back and see if you can find some 1983 - 1985 Bronco tape and watch John latch onto a receiver from the moment the ball is snapped and then try to launch a rocket between 2 - 3 defenders on that receiver. Then maybe you will realize he (Cutler) is a 24 year old young man with 11 NFL games of experience with a head coach that is suited quite well for such a players development.

[DeuceOfClub]

QB Rating: 86.0 (16th)
Completion: 65.6 (10th)
Yards per Attempt: 7.8 (8th)
Yards per Completion: 11.8 (10th)

[bpc]

If you're gonna blast Croyle at least know the facts. It wouldn't have mattered. Carl wanted the team to win now and a second year QB who barely had any experience in his first year wasn't gonna be the QB Carl wanted...

Carl wanted KC to win now so he didn't play his young QB?

KC has 4 victories. Denver has 3 WITH a young QB who is gaining experience and a bevy of injuries.

Advantage Denver.

[bpc]

He's also thrown as many picks as TDs. What's so awesome about that?

Getting into field goal range at the end of the game is cool and all. But how about a QB that can play well for 4 quarters?

Not to mention, the reason there is a need for a 4th quarter come back is because of the stupid turnovers earlier in the game.

He makes some nice throws, no doubt. Awesome though is not only too strong a word, but simply not true.

Elway made a living of playing well in the 4th quarter.

Cutler is playing well. He may have a silly play or two a game but he is young. He hasn't even started a full season of games yet.

I would say that Jay has been GOOD. He has the ability to be GREAT. He's marching towards that goal too. Just think... he hasn't even had technically his best HB, offensive linemen, and WR on the field at the same time. Yet we are still only a win away and he is putting up solid stats this season.

I bet he gets hot coming down the stretch too.

[dsmoot]

Go look up John Elway's TD/Int/Fumbles statistics his first two years. Report back to us what they were and tell us why you are still worried or not patient enough to delay such a judgement. Then go back and see if you can find some 1983 - 1985 Bronco tape and watch John latch onto a receiver from the moment the ball is snapped and then try to launch a rocket between 2 - 3 defenders on that receiver. Then maybe you will realize he (Cutler) is a 24 year old young man with 11 NFL games of experience with a head coach that is suited quite well for such a players development.

Elway Career Statistics
Year Team Games Attempts Comps. Yards TDs Int Rating F
1983 Den 11 259 123 1663 7 14 54.9 6
1984 Den 15 380 214 2598 18 15 76.8 14
1985 Den 16 605 327 3891 22 23 70.2 7

Jay Cutler Career Statistics

2006/07 12 352 222 2671 17 13 87.0 4

Patience, Patience but not too bad.

[azbroncfan]

If you're gonna blast Croyle at least know the facts. It wouldn't have mattered. Carl wanted the team to win now and a second year QB who barely had any experience in his first year wasn't gonna be the QB Carl wanted...

The fact is, and I'll repeat myself since you aren't smart enough the first time, Croyle was given every chance to start and he really sucked in the preseason. Blasting him or not that is the facts as he had a terrible preseason and he forced KC's hand to start Huard.

[fontaine]

Croyle is more of a project at this point. I think it's really going to take a couple of years to gauge where he's at. He doesn't strike me a QB that's ready to play now, especially with their mediocre OL.

Whereas Cutler seemed ready play right out of the box.

[cutthemdown]

Go look up John Elway's TD/Int/Fumbles statistics his first two years. Report back to us what they were and tell us why you are still worried or not patient enough to delay such a judgement. Then go back and see if you can find some 1983 - 1985 Bronco tape and watch John latch onto a receiver from the moment the ball is snapped and then try to launch a rocket between 2 - 3 defenders on that receiver. Then maybe you will realize he (Cutler) is a 24 year old young man with 11 NFL games of experience with a head coach that is suited quite well for such a players development.

Why should look at Elway's stats? That was a different era with different rules. Fact is it's way easier for QB's then it was in 1983. Cutler has a problem turning the ball over, at what point do all the turnovers start to worry you? Next yr? the year after? I'm not saying he won't get better only that I was hoping for way less turnovers.

[Bronx33]

Croyle is more of a project at this point. I think it's really going to take a couple of years to gauge where he's at. He doesn't strike me a QB that's ready to play now, especially with their mediocre OL.

Whereas Cutler seemed ready play right out of the box.


So we can say KC fans are still waiting for the other half of the box to be delivered? ;)

[Rock Chalk]

Go look up John Elway's TD/Int/Fumbles statistics his first two years. Report back to us what they were and tell us why you are still worried or not patient enough to delay such a judgement. Then go back and see if you can find some 1983 - 1985 Bronco tape and watch John latch onto a receiver from the moment the ball is snapped and then try to launch a rocket between 2 - 3 defenders on that receiver. Then maybe you will realize he (Cutler) is a 24 year old young man with 11 NFL games of experience with a head coach that is suited quite well for such a players development.

You are doing a good job in your debate, the problem with your logic is that Jay Cutler != John Elway.

I know there are some similarities, I know there are some parallells, but the fact remains that Jay is not John. What John did cannot be compared to what Jay is doing. While JOhn started off a mediocre QB, his career turned on a dime on a cold winter day in Cleveland with the Superbowl on the line.

Jay would be extremely fortuitous to have such a defining moment in his next couple of years. Elway began to build a legend, Cutler cant even get a winning record. Now, for the most part a lot of those losses aren't on Cutler but it doesnt change the perception.

For every QB that started off like Elway and became great there are 200 that started off similar and busted. Will Cutler bust? Doubtful. I think there is enough there that we have seen to say that he wont bust. However, that does not make it a gaurantee. What if Cutler never learns to look off receivers consistently, and never gets it in the Red Zone? Im not saying he will or wont, all I am saying is that your argument comparing early Elway to Cutler is fallacy at best. We know the end result with Elway, we have yet to see said result with Cutler. For all our hype of Cutler, most of it is still just pinned on hope.

It is why I have been so hard on him. I had high hopes and saw flashes with Griese and Plummer too.

Only to be disappointed.

My HOPE is that Cutler doesnt disappoint, but it at the moment, is far from a reality.

[bpc]

Why should look at Elway's stats? That was a different era with different rules. Fact is it's way easier for QB's then it was in 1983. Cutler has a problem turning the ball over, at what point do all the turnovers start to worry you? Next yr? the year after? I'm not saying he won't get better only that I was hoping for way less turnovers.

How do you figure it is easier? Players are bigger, taller, faster. Defenses are better than ever right now. Not only that, the media coverage and pressure to win by young QB's and coaches alike is drastically different. You don't have two, three, or four years to develop a guy any more. If you aren't producing by the second season in most cases, people are quick to lable somebody a bust. Just look at how you are reacting to Cutler.

I don't agree with your statement at all, in fact I think you are a way off base.

[Jens1893]

Why does a discussion about Jay Cutler inevitably always end up in a discussion about Brodie Croyle on here?

[Kaylore]

Why does a discussion about Jay Cutler inevitably always end up in a discussion about Brodie Croyle on here?

Because Cutler playing well usually gets the fallacious "he doesn't have a winning record" comment from the Chief fans, which in turn produces an attack on Brodie Frayle. This is mostly because we know Chief fans are sensitive about this and it's funny to watch them get upset.

[Dedhed]

Ignorant statements like these will tend to make a person lose credibility. Tell me again, how many games has Croyle played?

8 TD to 8 INT with an 86 QB rating and an embarassing 1-6 record against winning teams is not impressive

Cutler has been an average QB thus far and looking good mostly against losing teams. He will get better over time, but as of right now, he hasn't shown any signs of being a great QB

I forgot where Pitts defense was ranked in the league when Cutler lit them up. Can you enlighten us?

And how is it ignorant to be excited that a guy is not so untalented that he can't get on the field. There is ignorance in this equation, but it's coming from the guy who uses Croyle's inability to get on the field as a defense.

Way to go bud, that's genius talking right there.

[Cito Pelon]

That what happens when your fingers can't keep up with your train of thought.

This team is not good enough right now to overcome any mistakes, period.

Yeah, they can't afford mistakes. They need to play really clean on O, and get some TO's on D.

[cutthemdown]

How do you figure it is easier? Players are bigger, taller, faster. Defenses are better than ever right now. Not only that, the media coverage and pressure to win by young QB's and coaches alike is drastically different. You don't have two, three, or four years to develop a guy any more. If you aren't producing by the second season in most cases, people are quick to lable somebody a bust. Just look at how you are reacting to Cutler.

I don't agree with your statement at all, in fact I think you are a way off base.

I figure it's easier because they have added so many rules to protect QBS. Elway had to take tons of hits Cutler is not having to take. Defenders could grab more in 1983 and also got one step after QB threw ball to drill him. I question if these smaller qbs that have done well could even hold up back in the old days.

Do you remember the beatings QBS like Fouts used to take? The beating after he threw the ball that Elway had to take? Qbs get an extra 15 yrds for that now. If you don't think rules and officiating have been tweaked to allow more scoring, more offense then I think it is you that is off base.

You mentioned that players are thrown in faster because of FA and that is true but that doesn't change the fact it's easier to score in 2007 then it was in 1983. It's also a fact in 1983 qbs took way more hits and dback grabbed and bumped a whole lot more.

[Dedhed]

I am still looking for that mistake free game. Hasn't he had an int in EVERY game and the last game, well heck a fumble on the opponents goal line ?

I know it is asking for alot but this isn't good enough to come back from from one bad mistake like that in any game. I'll hold my praise until he makes no mistakes and has a 300 yard game with three tds....lol

He didn't throw a pick against the Packers, and the goal line fumble could hardly be called his mistake. Kuper looked like a DL intending to strip Cutler. If you're thinking he should have been prepared for that, I think you're expectations are unreasonable.

[dsmoot]

You are doing a good job in your debate, the problem with your logic is that Jay Cutler != John Elway.

I know there are some similarities, I know there are some parallells, but the fact remains that Jay is not John. What John did cannot be compared to what Jay is doing. While JOhn started off a mediocre QB, his career turned on a dime on a cold winter day in Cleveland with the Superbowl on the line.

Jay would be extremely fortuitous to have such a defining moment in his next couple of years. Elway began to build a legend, Cutler cant even get a winning record. Now, for the most part a lot of those losses aren't on Cutler but it doesnt change the perception.

For every QB that started off like Elway and became great there are 200 that started off similar and busted. Will Cutler bust? Doubtful. I think there is enough there that we have seen to say that he wont bust. However, that does not make it a gaurantee. What if Cutler never learns to look off receivers consistently, and never gets it in the Red Zone? Im not saying he will or wont, all I am saying is that your argument comparing early Elway to Cutler is fallacy at best. We know the end result with Elway, we have yet to see said result with Cutler. For all our hype of Cutler, most of it is still just pinned on hope.

It is why I have been so hard on him. I had high hopes and saw flashes with Griese and Plummer too.

Only to be disappointed.

My HOPE is that Cutler doesnt disappoint, but it at the moment, is far from a reality.


The point I was trying to make was --- be patient, its too early. If you were around in 83 - 85, John did not define himself in those early years. Alot of excitement, there were many just like you saying the same things about John Elway at that time, will he quit throwing in coverage, will he quit locking up on a receiver, but no one knew where he would end up. Fortunately for all Bronco fans, the performance in those early years did not define him so we should not let Cutlers performance in 12 games define him.

Its all about maturation, not about the era in which they played. QB's like Marino and Brady are not the norm so don't expect Cutler to be what he will be after 12 games. We are seeing very positive signs and some growing pains AS EXPECTED. What I like about Cutler is that he is not going into a shell when he makes mistakes as Griese did along with MANY young QB's. He is learning and making progress and he has shown some real mental toughness in the 4th quarter, that you can't teach.

You need to step back and see the big picture.

[Cito Pelon]

These posts are amazing to me. Whats his win loss record. Come on people, be realistic. Right now he is a project with a good future, no more, no less.

Yeah, Croyle is a project. "Good future"? I'm skeptical of that. ;D

[Rock Chalk]

The point I was trying to make was --- be patient, its too early. If you were around in 83 - 85, John did not define himself in those early years. Alot of excitement, there were many just like you saying the same things about John Elway at that time, will he quit throwing in coverage, will he quit locking up on a receiver, but no one knew where he would end up. Fortunately for all Bronco fans, the performance in those early years did not define him so we should not let Cutlers performance in 12 games define him.

I was around, and I know what you are saying. What you dont understand is that Jay MAY NOT turn out like John. In fact, the odds are against him being like John. So using the comparisons to John's early years is premature. IF he turns out to be a legend, then the comparisons are apt, but with the odds of him doing so stacked against him, its premature.

Its all about maturation, not about the era in which they played. QB's like Marino and Brady are not the norm so don't expect Cutler to be what he will be after 12 games. We are seeing very positive signs and some growing pains AS EXPECTED. What I like about Cutler is that he is not going into a shell when he makes mistakes as Griese did along with MANY young QB's. He is learning and making progress and he has shown some real mental toughness in the 4th quarter, that you can't teach.

You need to step back and see the big picture.

I dont. IN fact Im one of the few here that expected him to suck for a year or two or even three. Im also pleasantly surprised that his last two games there was very little suck to Cutler. I expected him to suck because unlike the rest of the yokels around here, I understand how complex football is. 20 years of watching it and I get fooled by blitzes and play action still to this day and I have a much better view than the QBs in the NFL do.

We hope Jay becomes like John, all I am sayin is that comparing the early numbers of Jay to John is not right. Most first-third year guys are going to be crappy even the ones that later turn out to be great but also the ones that go on to be busts.

[Bronx33]

Hopefully cutler takes another couple steps closer to being awesomer today...

[chawknz]

.. not so much

[chickennob2]

Well now even the "rebuildingis ok because Cutler gets experience" argument is null. Just pack it in guys. This one's over.

[KCStud]

Carl wanted KC to win now so he didn't play his young QB?

KC has 4 victories. Denver has 3 WITH a young QB who is gaining experience and a bevy of injuries.

Advantage Denver.

Denver is fortunate that they have such a good kicker. Cutler hasn't beaten anybody.

Cutler is a good QB. But saying he is going to be "great" or "special" because of what he has shown now is foolish

[dsmoot]

I was around, and I know what you are saying. What you dont understand is that Jay MAY NOT turn out like John. In fact, the odds are against him being like John. So using the comparisons to John's early years is premature. IF he turns out to be a legend, then the comparisons are apt, but with the odds of him doing so stacked against him, its premature.


I dont. IN fact Im one of the few here that expected him to suck for a year or two or even three. Im also pleasantly surprised that his last two games there was very little suck to Cutler. I expected him to suck because unlike the rest of the yokels around here, I understand how complex football is. 20 years of watching it and I get fooled by blitzes and play action still to this day and I have a much better view than the QBs in the NFL do.

We hope Jay becomes like John, all I am sayin is that comparing the early numbers of Jay to John is not right. Most first-third year guys are going to be crappy even the ones that later turn out to be great but also the ones that go on to be busts.

I think we are not connecting. Even though I think we believe similar things. The statistics were not used to draw the conclusion that Jay will = John. It was to say that the early part of a QB's career is an INCONSISTENT performance (many ints and fumbles). John Elway as great as he turned out showed similar INCONSISTENCY (amazingly similar to Jay). This is what the statistical comparision was for, not to draw a conclusion to ultimate career stats.

I was stating this in response to some people stating that Jay is not performing as he should regardless of how few games he has played. The STATISTICS bring out that EVEN a HOF QB had a difficult, even fan frustrating learning curve. I remember these same complaints about John those first 3 years as you must have. Some of us that are a little longer in the tooth can remember the past and get a little less excited about Jay throwing into coverage. Give Cutler time, he has exhibited much more upside that the picks and fumbles have.