Do They Have To Hurt Brady To Win?

[Arkie]

Cowher: Brady could be target of cheap shot
Wednesday, Oct 31, 2007 4:13 pm EDT

As the New England Patriots pour it on opponents, fans have to be wondering about it and Tuesday former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher said it: If the Patriots keep running up the score, will someone like Tom Brady will be the victim of a retaliatory hit?

The subject of the Pats' late-game tactics is causing a lot of buzz around the NFL, particularly after Sunday's 52-7 victory over the Washington Redskins. On a CBS conference call with reporters Tuesday. Cowher noted the Patriots could be playing a dangerous game.

"At some point if this continues, someone's going to take a cheap shot,'' Cowher said. "Is that worth subjecting your players to if it comes to that?''

Source: Boston Herald http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/post/Cowher-Brady-could-be-target-of-cheap-shot?urn=nfl,51840



Redskins Go A Little Too Quietly

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Tuesday, October 30, 2007

College teams can object to the playground bully running it up. Little Murray State can be legitimately annoyed when nationally ranked Louisville guns it to 73-10. But no pro team, certainly no NFL team, can ever whine about an opponent zooming up and down the field at will. There's no difference in admissions policies in professional sports. Nobody has an advantage in walk-ons or scholarships. With salary cap restrictions and the yield from the college draft, NFL teams compete on the most level playing field imaginable. So the notion that another team should voluntarily stop beating another team's brains out is, well, dumb.

You want the other team to stop running it up?

Hit somebody in the mouth.

Fortunately, most of the Washington Redskins realized it's not the Patriots' job to stop scoring; it's their job to stop the Patriots. Most of the Redskins interviewed after the 52-7 beat down seemed to get that point Sunday, no matter how humiliated they were. The Redskins have one of the highest payrolls in the league and one of the best defenses in the league (No. 5 entering the game). So those of you asking why the Patriots kept throwing and marching to the end zone even in the fourth quarter when most teams have throttled it back need to stop asking. The coach of the New England Patriots, Bill Belichick, is still openly seething that the NFL caught him cheating like a dog and his primary goal is to humiliate every single opponent he comes across between now and the end of the season.

The Washington Redskins had to know this going in. They gather intelligence. It's all over the league that the Patriots are on what some are calling "The Vengeance Tour." They watched videotape of the Patriots all week, of Brady throwing to Randy Moss and Wes Welker and Donte' Stallworth.

They saw the Patriots putting linebackers Mike Vrabel and Junior Seau in the game on goal line offense. The Redskins watched how the Patriots ran it up on the Dolphins the previous week, how Belichick put Tom Brady back in the game up 21 points in the fourth quarter. The Redskins watched the Patriots put 48 on the Cowboys in Dallas the week before that. So, more than anybody, Joe Gibbs and his team knew exactly what the Patriots were capable of doing and how merciless they've become.

It wasn't particularly shocking that the Redskins were blown out; the stunner was that they just sat there and took it, that the Redskins were content to be bullied and humiliated. Those of us who've been waiting through the Gibbs II era for the Redskins to develop an identity didn't see them moving in any definitive direction Sunday in Foxborough.

Patriots-Redskins was a bigger league-wide topic Monday than you might think. The general consensus is that getting blown out is something that happens to everybody. But the Redskins seemed to want no part of a brawl when they should have been starting one.

With all due respect to professional hockey, pro football is the most violent team sport in this culture. It's based on mayhem and retribution, an eye for an eye, on sheer pride, even if that pride is occasionally misplaced. If Belichick is so bold as to have Brady in the game, sneaking on fourth down and throwing from spread formations when leading 38-0, he also runs the risk of getting his golden boy quarterback mangled. If Belichick has so little regard for the opponent, why should the Redskins have any regard for him and his?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for one moment that the Redskins should have taken a shot at Brady's knees or gone headhunting. But in the football I grew up with, back in the infinitely more brutal 1960s and '70s, Belichick wouldn't dare have kept Brady in so long or had his second-string quarterback throwing the ball late in the fourth quarter.

The Redskins' coaches shouldn't have to say a word. The players, sensing what was going on, should have done whatever necessary to drill Brady right in his strike zone. If Brady walked off the field without help, it would have meant the Redskins didn't hit him hard enough. If it brought a penalty or two, so what? The score was meaningless at that moment. Establishing the team's willingness to make the Patriots pay for their boldness is all that should have mattered.

But the Redskins didn't take that approach. Okay, the offense went down and scored and showed some resolve. But we're not talking about resolve, we're talking about having the kind of team-wide nastiness it takes to win in the NFL.

Sorry, but I can't imagine Sam Huff not tattooing Brady before he finally left the field. Football isn't golf. Maybe I'm longing too much for the good old days of Butkus and Nitschke, Night Train Lane, the Raiders of Lyle Alzado, the Steelers of any era, even now, players who snorted and pointed at the quarterback and made him fear for his own safety. Let's see if Belichick takes the same risks with Brady against the Steelers (Dec. 9) and Ravens (Dec. 3). Neither of those teams is half as good as New England right now, but there's a personality about both, an identity, that suggests there's a line in the turf where football ends and team pride begins.

If the Golden Boy stays in the game when the competition is long over, fair enough. But at that point he forfeits any professional benefit of the doubt, and is fair game for whatever comes. This is one place where the NHL gets it right. Half the players in the league would like to hit Belichick right now, but can't.

Even if it brought 15-yard flags, a couple of Redskins ought to have converged on Brady and hit the Golden Boy so hard he'd need Bridget Moynahan and Gisele Bundchen to help him to the sideline. Then Belichick wouldn't leave him in sneaking on fourth down and throwing from spread formations so late in the fourth quarter with an insurmountable lead. That, too, is football, but maybe at a violent level we don't find tolerable anymore.

And maybe it's not the way the Redskins want to play. Maybe they're above that sort of brawling. Perhaps Gibbs wants no part of that philosophy and it's his bust, not mine, that sits in Canton in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But what was highlighted in Foxborough on Sunday is that the Redskins, still a pretty good team with a chance to make the playoffs, don't seem to have the charismatic leaders who can push the team beyond this pedestrian 4-3 start with narrow home field victories over the Dolphins and Cardinals.

Next week the Patriots move on to Indianapolis to pick on somebody their own size, while the Redskins draw the Jets, the 98-pound weakling, perhaps just the opponent for a team needing to flex a little muscle itself.

[Los Broncos]

If they continue to run it up on teams this could very well happen.

I know there are a few players who would love to cheap shot him.

[bronco militia]

Do They Have To Hurt Brady To Win?

of course not....but I think there are a lot of people that hope Brady gets hurt

[Los Broncos]

Do They Have To Hurt Brady To Win?

of course not....but I think there are a lot of people that hope Brady gets hurt

Even if he was hurt, im not so sure they would miss a beat with the backup.

[bronco militia]

Even if he was hurt, im not so sure they would miss a beat with the backup.

I think you might be the only person in america that believes that.

[PatsWin2002]

Saw that piece yesterday.....I am very surprised that Wilbon would put that in writing. I could see him thinking it and talking to his colleagues about it, but it looks bad for a national guy to be writing stuff like that.

Just to add something funny....remember Jeff Gilooly from the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan thing?

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[Los Broncos]

I think you might be the only person in america that believes that.

Your right, they should be careful running the score up, i can just see a helmet to the knee.

[jmz313]

I would be routing for Player to late hit brady on every pass play if the Pats did that to denver. Not try and injure him but just hit him late untill he gets the point. BUt, Against the skins (team I loathe) I was routing for 60 to 0. I hate that the pasties let them get 7.

[Beej]

It's a shame that Brady is pinned to be the target, when he's just doing what Belichik wants him to. If it was up to me, I'd try to send a big TE on a slant, straight toward BB on the sideline.

[Arkie]

Do They Have To Hurt Brady To Win?

of course not....but I think there are a lot of people that hope Brady gets hurt

including Wilbon

I know why the Pats are running up the score, but they can't ever admit it. They are proving their dynasty wasn't built on cheating, and they are having the best season of their dynasty after the NFL discovered the taping and signals or whatever. They are dominating under the close eye of everybody and are proving that no amount of cheating could make them blow out the Cowboys and Redskins.

[defenseman]

Do They Have To Hurt Brady To Win?

of course not....but I think there are a lot of people that hope Brady gets hurt

Yes there is...and I'll lay odds someone goes after a knee and if they can hit the other one also..they will..dman

[defenseman]

It's a shame that Brady is pinned to be the target, when he's just doing what Belichik wants him to. If it was up to me, I'd try to send a big TE on a slant, straight toward BB on the sideline.

With a little imagination, there are lots of ways to get the deed done. I'm guessing some folks may already be working on possibilities...dman

*I wouldn't want to be a NE offensive lineman right now. Lots of added motivation to protect the qb, but alot more pressure also. I expect some quick whistles by a few referees also.

[DomCasual]

I won't pretend to understand the forces of karma, other than to believe that they exist. The Patriots have a backup QB that's had very limited experience in the NFL AND college. They are a great team, and they might be able to stay pretty successful without Brady. I personally kind of doubt it, though. I'll qualify that - I think they'd still be an 11 or 12-win team. But in the AFC, that probably isn't enough to get them to the Super Bowl.

Now, I'm not wishing for anything to happen. But I wouldn't be able to muster up a lot of sympathy if it did. I think I am like, say, 95% of football fans with that.

[yavoon]

Saw that piece yesterday.....I am very surprised that Wilbon would put that in writing. I could see him thinking it and talking to his colleagues about it, but it looks bad for a national guy to be writing stuff like that.

Just to add something funny....remember Jeff Gilooly from the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan thing?

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I like wilbon more for saying it. especially w/ how much consternation it might cause bellicheat.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't know if they have to hurt Brady, but the only way to beat him is with a stick....while he sleeps....because other teams are trying to get there.

[broncosteven]

I won't pretend to understand the forces of karma, other than to believe that they exist. The Patriots have a backup QB that's had very limited experience in the NFL AND college. They are a great team, and they might be able to stay pretty successful without Brady. I personally kind of doubt it, though. I'll qualify that - I think they'd still be an 11 or 12-win team. But in the AFC, that probably isn't enough to get them to the Super Bowl.

Now, I'm not wishing for anything to happen. But I wouldn't be able to muster up a lot of sympathy if it did. I think I am like, say, 95% of football fans with that.

Count me in the 95 percentile! WOO HOOO I made it to 95th Percentile in something!

[Beej]

Anybody remember what Charles Martin did to Jim McMahon? For those who don't, Martin picked up McMahon and body slammed him LONG after he threw the ball. Somebody should send that clip to Brady.

[BroncoMan4ever]

i don't think the colts will need to hurt him to win, but would i like to see Dwight Freeney fall into Brady's knee.......HELL YES!!!! i would. and then after that a Joseph Addai sweep right over BeliCHEAT would be prefect to see. Hell i don't like either team but i hope Indy destroys New England, and if Brady and BeliCHEAT were seriously injured i would offer to buy whoever did it a beer.

[Garcia Bronco]

Anybody remember what Charles Martin did to Jim McMahon? For those who don't, Martin picked up McMahon and body slammed him LONG after he threw the ball. Somebody should send that clip to Brady.

I remember that. It was classless...and the same would be the case if someone did it to Brady.

[DeuceOfClub]

Maybe I’m not the only one?

....

And last thing about the Patriots-Redskins game: maybe I’m not too moral person, but if I’m Joe Gibbs and I see the Pat’s lining up on a 4th down inside a FG range leading by 40 points I call a time out, go out with a zero-protection blitz, and make sure my defense understand that I want to see at least 3 flags for: roughing the passer, late hit and unnecessary roughness.

[DomCasual]

Saw that piece yesterday.....I am very surprised that Wilbon would put that in writing. I could see him thinking it and talking to his colleagues about it, but it looks bad for a national guy to be writing stuff like that.

Just to add something funny....remember Jeff Gilooly from the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan thing?

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:)

[bronco militia]

I don't know if they have to hurt Brady, but the only way to beat him is with a stick....while he sleeps.

"WHO ORDERED THE CODE RED?!?!?!"

[55CrushEm]

What I find funny is that everyone here in New England is outraged that SI.com call the upcoming game "good vs. evil"....with the Pats being the "evil" team. I mean, they are bitching and whining about it on sports radio.

Yet, for years....Boston fans have no problem calling the Yankees the "Evil Empire"......more double standards......

Bottom line.....Belichick is a classless turd.....good coach, but a classless turd. I thought that LONG before this year, too. Whether it be him snubbing Mangini, or shoving cameramen, or trying to hold Marvin Harrison out of bounds, or being a putz to the media. He gets all the criticism he deserves.

And that's without even harping on his physical appearance.....greasy hair, torn clothes....he looks like a hobo.

****ing classless pr1ck.....

[jmz313]

Hopefully Dwight Freeney gives brady a few pops when the game does matter. Go Colts.

Funny how things change. I hate the Pats more then I hate the Colts!? Twilight Zone stuff.

[55CrushEm]

Hopefully Dwight Freeney gives brady a few pops when the game does matter. Go Colts.

Funny how things change. I hate the Pats more then I hate the Colts!? Twilight Zone stuff.

It's funny how many people hate the Colts. I never have. I'm not going to hate a team simply because they "have our number".

Dungy runs a classy operation.....totally the opposite of Belicheat. As I said before, I'm pulling for the Colts to win this weekend, MORE than the Broncos....I hate the Pats with every fiber of my being.

[Orange_Beard]

could you not make the arguement the other way? The pats have to hurt Manning to win. This is stupid.

The Colts have started a few seasons(04 & 05) out as good as the Pats. The hype is out of control wit the team.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Hopefully Dwight Freeney gives brady a few pops when the game does matter. Go Colts.

Funny how things change. I hate the Pats more then I hate the Colts!? Twilight Zone stuff.

Same here. I even kind of like Manning now.

I really, REALLY hope the Colts kick their asses... oooh that would be nice. :wiggle:

[Garcia Bronco]

"WHO ORDERED THE CODE RED?!?!?!"

YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I DID!

[yavoon]

Same here. I even kind of like Manning now.

I really, REALLY hope the Colts kick their asses... oooh that would be nice. :wiggle:

bellicheat changed everything.

[HorseHead]

It's funny how time flies...

The Patriots have officially dethroned the Cowboys has the team people love to hate...

The days of the Pats being 1-15 under Don McPherson have long since passed us...

It's getting to the point where people like other teams they used to hate, like maybe Peyton Maninng's team or something....6'5", lazer rocket arm...

If you want to wish something against Brady, prey that he loses feeling in his sch-ong...it's not fair he gets to to do the nasty with Giselle....

[bronco militia]

YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I DID!

Ha!

[penguintheory]

I think you might be the only person in america that believes that.

Cassel is a Brady type. Backup to Palmer and Leinart his entire career at USC, just like Brady backed up Griese at Michigan.

You never know.... they've got serious weapons at WR and a good running game.

[Bronx33]

Hmmmmm thinking about it now with the pats running up scores and pissin off the rest of the league belicheat may be stupidly putting sunshine boy in the line of fire for a cheapshot. I really don't wish injuries on anybody but i really don't agree with belicheat running up scores (it just isn't right) so seeing that BS blow up in his face would be pretty karmatastic IMO. And there is no way in hell his backup could come in and fill sunshine boy shoes (no way) and as for teams trying to injure brady naaaaa i don't think so.

[~Crash~]

including Wilbon

I know why the Pats are running up the score, but they can't ever admit it. They are proving their dynasty wasn't built on cheating, and they are having the best season of their dynasty after the NFL discovered the taping and signals or whatever. They are dominating under the close eye of everybody and are proving that no amount of cheating could make them blow out the Cowboys and Redskins.

How are they proving anything ? they turned over what ? The tapes they taped over one weekendagians the jets ? what about the tapes that they have been taping for years I bet they are going to cheat as long as they can . I think they are still cheating !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Killericon]

If Brady takes a cheap shot, things on the field are gonna get real ugly, real quick. Rodney Harrison might kill someone. No joke.

[CBF1]

WOW

I can not believe some of the shiat some are posting to this thread. Hoping someone gets a cheap shot and Injured??? Karma is a bitch and take a look at what is happening to our team.

A player is so freekin good that you hope for him to get taken out by a cheap shot, amazing. I am embarrassed to be a Bronco fan hearing this crap.

Then again, I am sure a lot of you were thrilled when Jack Tatum paralized Darryl Stingley in the 70's with a questionable hit.

[55CrushEm]

If Brady takes a cheap shot, things on the field are gonna get real ugly, real quick. Rodney Harrison might kill someone. No joke.

Brady isn't going to get a cheap shot. Dungy is one of the classiest guys in the NFL, and because of that, the Colts are probably one of the last teams that would attempt that.

[Beantown Bronco]

Cassel is a Brady type. Backup to Palmer and Leinart his entire career at USC, just like Brady backed up Griese at Michigan.

You never know.... they've got serious weapons at WR and a good running game.

Belicheck took Cassel out of the game two weeks ago midway through the 4th quarter with a 21 point lead because he had no confidence in him being able to close out the win. That tells me all I need to know.

[Hogan11]

You should never root for an injury....that being said however, a pyrrhic victory by either of these two teams would probably be the best thing for league competition at this time. I don't know about anyone else, but the notion of a "super team" plowing it's way to an inevitable SB win thru a season full of victories by halftime is a bit....well, boring. I like watching competitive football games, not ones that are essentially laughable scrimmages and lopsided college type scoring fests.

[Raiders Rock]

If they continue to run it up on teams this could very well happen.

I know there are a few players who would love to cheap shot him.

exactly

[Circle Orange]

I really don't care about Brady's knees, one way or the other. Stuff happens.

What I don't get is the media saturation about New England, especially the Colts game this week. They say the same things over and over. You'd think no one ever saw a high scoring team before. All these so called "dominant teams that can't be beaten" come along every two years, so what's so unusual about what they're doing? It's week 8, not 16. Everyone does NOT care about these two teams, nor is anyone outside of New England or Indianapolis concerned about the 'state of the league' because these clubs are hyped. I can't turn on ANY station, go to ANY broadcast, where it isn't a sucklefest of the Patriots. If the coverage goes to a game, someone finds a way to shoe horn the Pats in and repeat how great they are. SO WHAT. This will eventually end, like all things do in the NFL. I can't figure if the media is trying to create more animostiy by constantly going on like this. What's the point? One big cluster **** so we can all go

The pats are great, tom is great, blah, blah, yeah, yeah...they'll never be beat, blah, blah. Tom's at a level we've never seen, blah, blah...the pats are destroying everyone blah, blah...storyline...bill clinton meets with Brady, has lunch, tells him he's the greatest ever.

Whatever, people. The world will go on, and so will the NFL.

[Beantown Bronco]

bill clinton meets with Brady, has lunch, tells him he's the greatest ever.

Doubtful.....Brady's a staunch Republican.

[yavoon]

Brady isn't going to get a cheap shot. Dungy is one of the classiest guys in the NFL, and because of that, the Colts are probably one of the last teams that would attempt that.

everyone talks about a cheapshot, like someone is gna kimo brady's knees. it doesn't need to be like that, just hit him hard, this is football. maybe you get a penalty, maybe you don't.

but yah the colts aren't the team to do that, maybe more a ray lewis team, or historically a mike singletary or jack lambert team. some hardnosed pride ridden bastards.

[BroncoMan4ever]

A player is so freekin good that you hope for him to get taken out by a cheap shot, amazing. I am embarrassed to be a Bronco fan hearing this crap.




I am sorry to say this but Brady is not the freaking good. He is a good game manager who makes descent reads. Hell Griese could put that team in the Super Bowl.
Of the 2 QB's in this game Manning is easily the better QB and more important to his team.

If Brady were injured his backup could still lead New England to 12 wins, but if u take Manning out of Indy, that team would fall apart. Unlike Brady, Manning is a coach on the field he almost knows what the defense is coming with before the defense does.

so sorry to burst your bubble but Brady is not that good. He is overhyped just like Montana was. Titles don't tell how good you really are.

Montana and Brady are both averaqge QB's with good leadership who landed sweet jobs as QB of their respective teams. Both were on teams that any QB could come in and win with. Had Elway played in San Francisco he would easily have at least 5 rings and had Manninig played for New England he would have at least the 3 Brady has.

[Circle Orange]

could you not make the arguement the other way? The pats have to hurt Manning to win. This is stupid.

The Colts have started a few seasons(04 & 05) out as good as the Pats. The hype is out of control wit the team.

For real...there's NO interesting angle. The Colts have beaten the Pats the last like, three times. So what's the big deal? Like they're supposed to quake and have nightmares?

[Circle Orange]

Brady isn't going to get a cheap shot. Dungy is one of the classiest guys in the NFL, and because of that, the Colts are probably one of the last teams that would attempt that.

If a fat lineman falls on his ankle, I won't cry about it.

[Beantown Bronco]

If Brady were injured his backup could still lead New England to 12 wins.

Not a chance in hell. If Belicheck pulls Cassel for Brady halfway through the 4th quarter with a 21 point lead, then how in the hell can you tell me they would have any confidence in him winning a game that starts out 0-0 with 60 minutes to play.

Don't kid yourself. Brady is damn good. Is he the best ever? Nope. Is he far and away the best the Pats have. Most certainly yes.

[Bronx33]

For real...there's NO interesting angle. The Colts have beaten the Pats the last like, three times. So what's the big deal? Like they're supposed to quake and have nightmares?



Question is will a L in his mission plans send belicheat into a shooting rampage?

[24champ]

With all due respect to professional hockey, pro football is the most violent team sport in this culture. It's based on mayhem and retribution, an eye for an eye, on sheer pride, even if that pride is occasionally misplaced.

RIIIIIIIGGGHHTT

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[sonsofkraftybob]

The one good thing is that this seems to be the national sentiment right now.

Meaning if it happens, it's gonna be a lifetime ban.

I think $ talks, BS walks.

I'd like to see the player that is gonna risk HIS carreer to end Brady's.

It's a business fellas. Ain't gonna happen.

[sonsofkraftybob]

.

Montana and Brady are both averaqge QB's with good leadership who landed sweet jobs as QB of their respective teams. Both were on teams that any QB could come in and win with. Had Elway played in San Francisco he would easily have at least 5 rings and had Manninig played for New England he would have at least the 3 Brady has.

You ever see Elways stats from that Tirrell Davis led SB win?

90 yards passing or something like that?

You sure you are a bronco's fan?

[Beantown Bronco]

I'd like to see the player that is gonna risk HIS carreer to end Brady's..

You are talking about a league full of people willing to risk their careers to smoke pot, drive drunk, start fights at parties, knock up numerous women and ignore court orders, etc.

Hitting a QB and maybe getting in a little extra tug/twist when you are under a pile of bodies? You've got to be kidding.

[Rock Chalk]

WOW

I can not believe some of the shiat some are posting to this thread. Hoping someone gets a cheap shot and Injured??? Karma is a b**** and take a look at what is happening to our team.

A player is so freekin good that you hope for him to get taken out by a cheap shot, amazing. I am embarrassed to be a Bronco fan hearing this crap.

Then again, I am sure a lot of you were thrilled when Jack Tatum paralized Darryl Stingley in the 70's with a questionable hit.

How is the air up there on your high horse Dimitri?

As far as Karma, it already came around and did its number on our team. Its ****ing time to wish Karma to leave and get the **** out of here adn go **** with someone that deserves it like those Cheatriots.

[Rock Chalk]

The one good thing is that this seems to be the national sentiment right now.

Meaning if it happens, it's gonna be a lifetime ban.

I think $ talks, BS walks.

I'd like to see the player that is gonna risk HIS carreer to end Brady's.

It's a business fellas. Ain't gonna happen.

Haha you are so full of yourself if you think a player will get a lifetime ban for an injury to another player.

Never going to happen. Violent sports produce violent results and even if someone does a number on Brady, they wont ban anyone for life. They let ****ing murderers play this game, are you retarded or what?

[yavoon]

The one good thing is that this seems to be the national sentiment right now.

Meaning if it happens, it's gonna be a lifetime ban.

I think $ talks, BS walks.

I'd like to see the player that is gonna risk HIS carreer to end Brady's.

It's a business fellas. Ain't gonna happen.

kinda full of yourself over in boston eh?

[Bronx33]

wow
(http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2007/10/for-immediate-release-bounty-on-tom.html)

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[broncolife]

Send Brady a whole bunch a porn before the game and hopefully his wrist will get sore:)

[Bronx33]

Send Brady a whole bunch a porn before the game and hopefully his wrist will get sore:)


Or just a extra heavy hand mirror...;D

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[Bronco Billy]

everyone talks about a cheapshot, like someone is gna kimo brady's knees. it doesn't need to be like that, just hit him hard, this is football. maybe you get a penalty, maybe you don't.


I agree that a cheapshot might not happen (going for the knees / trying to injure him). But, at some point, someone will take that extra step for roughing and drive him into the ground pretty good.

[sonsofkraftybob]

You are talking about a league full of people willing to risk their careers to smoke pot, drive drunk, start fights at parties, knock up numerous women and ignore court orders, etc.

Hitting a QB and maybe getting in a little extra tug/twist when you are under a pile of bodies? You've got to be kidding.

Ahhh, you made my point. In a classless league filled with these types of people, The patriots are demonized because they run up the score and videotaped signals.

When in Rome...

[Hogan11]

Your not going to see a cheapshot from any team. The NFL has no nefarious coaches that order up the bounties like in the days of Buddy Ryan and Jerry Glanville....I mean, who are the evil head coaches in the league these days? Belichick? Billick? Come on....

[yavoon]

Ahhh, you made my point. In a classless league filled with these types of people, The patriots are demonized because they run up the score and videotaped signals.

When in Rome...

cheating, which is what the patriots do is 100x worse than telling ur dline to hit someone(assuming its not for the knees).

[Northman]

If a player cheap shots and trys to purposely injure another player because they cant stop them than they should be banned from the league end of story.

[-Slap-]

Nothing any member of the media says or writes surprises me. I was kind of surprised to see Bill Cowher stopping just short of sanctioning that kind of behavior, though.

"At some point, if this continues, someone's going to take a cheap shot,'' Cowher said. "Is that worth subjecting your players to if it comes to that?''

[yavoon]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=belichick/071102&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos2

ask bellicheat a question!

[-Slap-]

The Rams beat the Falcons 59-0 in a game about 30 years ago. I guess the Rams had the ball late and one of the Falcons defensive linemen had had enough. He told Pat Haden straight out that he was going to end his career if the Rams scored again.

The funny thing was, the Rams weren't even trying to pour it on. Their coach was "Ground Chuck" Knox, who was arguably the most conservative coach in League history. The Rams defense in those days was the equal of the Orange Crush or the Steel Curtain and they simply dominated the action that afternoon, scoring and setting up easy touchdowns all game long. That same defense had held the expansion Seahawks to -7 yards of total offense for an entire game earlier in the season.

[Northman]

Nothing any member of the media says or writes surprises me. I was kind of surprised to see Bill Cowher stopping just short of sanctioning that kind of behavior, though.

"At some point, if this continues, someone's going to take a cheap shot,'' Cowher said. "Is that worth subjecting your players to if it comes to that?''


Yea, i kind of got the impression that Cowher was endorsing something like that. Pretty classless on his part.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Not a chance in hell. If Belicheck pulls Cassel for Brady halfway through the 4th quarter with a 21 point lead, then how in the hell can you tell me they would have any confidence in him winning a game that starts out 0-0 with 60 minutes to play.

Don't kid yourself. Brady is damn good. Is he the best ever? Nope. Is he far and away the best the Pats have. Most certainly yes.

Belicheat pulled him because he wants to show teams up. And because he and Brady are arrogant pricks

[BroncoMan4ever]

You ever see Elways stats from that Tirrell Davis led SB win?

90 yards passing or something like that?

You sure you are a bronco's fan?

First off u spelled Terrell wrong u dumb bastard.

Secondly, Did u happen to see the 300 yards passing he threw up in super bowl 33?


Lastly, the point i was making was anyone could have won with the teams Montana and Brady had and have.

R u going to tell me that if Elway played in San Francisco for his entire career he wouldn't have at least 5 rings. His talent would have led the 49ers to everything Montana and Young did, while also getting the team more because he is the better QB.

I am a huge Broncos fan, never question my fanhood. But truth of the matter is that up until Shannahan got here in 95, Elway had no real offensive weapons.

[Arkie]

...up until Shannahan got here in 95, Elway had no real offensive weapons.

But he did get three of his five AFC Championships before then which only proves your point further.

[fontaine]

Your not going to see a cheapshot from any team. The NFL has no nefarious coaches that order up the bounties like in the days of Buddy Ryan and Jerry Glanville....I mean, who are the evil head coaches in the league these days? Belichick? Billick? Come on....

I don't know about head coaches but there are guys like the Indy D - Coordinator who have told their guys to target QBs knees before.

[Circle Orange]

Nothing any member of the media says or writes surprises me. I was kind of surprised to see Bill Cowher stopping just short of sanctioning that kind of behavior, though.

"At some point, if this continues, someone's going to take a cheap shot,'' Cowher said. "Is that worth subjecting your players to if it comes to that?''

I dunno, I think Cowher was just calling it straight. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking that doesn't enter conversations INSIDE locker rooms around the league. And I stick by my theory the media is trying to create even more animosity by constantly going on about the Pats and everything they do, as if no one in the history of the NFL can compare. The surest way to tick anyone off is to keep talking nonstop about someone else. You'd think there were no other quarterbacks in the NFL besides Brady, Manning and Favre. There's something else going on with that, but I'll leave it alone for now.

[Circle Orange]

But he did get three of his five AFC Championships before then which only proves your point further.

And "E" was a pulled charleyhorse away from going to 6 super bowls. Want to think what he could have done, or Marino, with some of these teams out here now? With the current rules for offense? Cripes! :~ohyah!:

[Circle Orange]

You ever see Elways stats from that Tirrell Davis led SB win?

90 yards passing or something like that?

You sure you are a bronco's fan?

A lot like Favre's stats from the Super Bowl HE "won." I believe Desmond Howard was the MVP of that game.

Davis had the whole team blocking for him. He didn't do it all by himself, and the media backtracked once the club went 0-4 the year "after".

[yavoon]

I noticed today that tom brady has stolen peyton manning's sack attitude. that is, try to get away, but if they actually get you fall down like a sack of potatoes. its a good plan, seeing as how many qbs get injured every week trying to escape sacks.