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dragondawg
10-31-2007, 01:30 AM
Broncos are learning, losing
By MILO F. BRYANT
THE GAZETTE

DENVER -- Coloradans in general and Denver Broncos fans woke up today with one stubbornly sobering realization.

If they didn’t, they should have.

A 19-13 loss to the Green Bay Packers, who entered Monday’s game with a 5-1 mark, isn’t such a bad thing. What’s sobering should be the Broncos’ 3-4 record. And even more heavy is that Denver sits behind the San Diego Chargers and the Kansas City Chiefs in the AFC West.

The home team isn’t what folks thought it’d be. It’s not anything special. It’s not a team heading deep into the playoffs. It’s a team that might not even make the playoffs.

Those were ludicrous thoughts in August. Back then, the Broncos had this new defensive coach, Jim Bates. He was supposed to turn that unit into a stubborn juggernaut, a group that was supposed to hold opponents down while the offense ran over them.

Instead Denver has a porous defense. It’s a defense void of a real heartbeat. Only now are the Broncos realizing exactly how much they’re missing the continuity and understanding that former linebacker Al Wilson brought.

There are multiple drives and quarters that the defense looks like one of the league’s best. But too often it looks like a squad with no identity and nothing to fight for — so it doesn’t.

“The only thing we can do is look toward Detroit and get this thing going the right way,” defensive end Elvis Dumervil said. “We play our best games under pressure. We just have to play hard in Detroit and play Broncos football.”

See, the problem is nobody knows what Broncos football is. Surely there are folks in the organization who can wax poetic about its meaning at length. But the players, they don’t know. At this point of the season, the meaning of Broncos football changes from week to week.

“Our run defense is getting better,” Dumervil said. “Our coverage is there, and we’re getting coverage sacks, too. But we have to get all of the phases going at the same time.”

Sorry, but I didn’t see coverage. Well, actually, the coverage was “there” as Dumervil said, but “there” had to be a step or two behind the Packers receivers. And if there was a coverage sack, I missed that, too.

The Broncos are 3-4. That’s not even mediocre in most books. Around this place, where they talk of nothing but Super Bowls, 3-4 is on the edge of frightening.

Games such as the one Monday night are what folks should expect. The Broncos are a team led by young stars. Quarterback Jay Cutler is in his second season, and his favorite target, Brandon Marshall, is in his second year. D.J. Williams is playing his first year at middle linebacker.

When young players lead, inconsistency becomes the norm.

The Broncos have found an ability to drive the ball up and down the field. But get the team inside the 20-yard line, or red zone, and they act like the end zone is off limits.

Cutler appears to be tiring of the talk about the offensive woes with a short field. Cutler shook his head when asked about it. He gave a quick but smarmy look and took a deep breath.

“We talk about this every week,” he said. “Turnovers and, ahh, penalties. There you have it.”

Yup, there you have it. And people should continue talking about it until the Broncos actually show on the field that they’ve done something to fix it.

“Last week we were 3 for 3,” coach Mike Shanahan said. “This week we were 1 for 4. We didn’t get it done. If you want to be a good offensive football team, you’ve got to score in the red zone. Any time you’re 25 percent, it’s not good enough.”

But at this point, nobody should be surprised if the Broncos are 100 percent, 50 percent or 25 percent.

Young players still have to learn.

That’s reality.

http://www.gazette.com/sports/broncos_29117___article.html/team_coverage.html

lex
10-31-2007, 01:50 AM
Sorry, but its hard to take anything someone named Milo says too seriously. Im waiting to hear what Erasmus and Rumpelstiltskin have to say before I rush to judgment. As I was reading it I was thinking, "this was written by Milo." Its distracting.

bpc
10-31-2007, 02:06 AM
Well I do agree on the assumption that we don't really stand for anything and we are missing an identity. One week its this and the next week "let's play for DWill"... the only thing that happens consistently is that we play inconsistently.

It's frustrating. We need leadership.

dsmoot
10-31-2007, 05:30 AM
Well I do agree on the assumption that we don't really stand for anything and we are missing an identity. One week its this and the next week "let's play for DWill"... the only thing that happens consistently is that we play inconsistently.

It's frustrating. We need leadership.

Inconsistency is the only word that fits. With no intent to demean the memory of Darrent Williams, you can't play football for the memory of a departed teammate. It may inspire you for a few games but you have to play the game with what is inside you. It has to come from YOUR character to strive to work hard and improve. That is where the Broncos are at collectively and individually.

As for DWill, he was a very promising corner but even his game had not risen above the same inconsistency that we see across the board with this Denver team. We don't know how far DWill would have come in his football career. The same can be said for any young person who's life ends much too soon even if he is not a football player. The Denver team and fans have to move beyond what might have been including Al Wilson.

TerrElway
10-31-2007, 11:22 AM
[QUOTE][/There are multiple drives and quarters that the defense looks like one of the league’s best.QUOTE]

What?! When?

Smiling Assassin27
10-31-2007, 11:36 AM
Young players lead inconsistently. Time to take the diapers off, baby broncs!

Sincerely,

Erasmus and Rumpelstiltskin

Beantown Bronco
10-31-2007, 11:37 AM
[QUOTE][/There are multiple drives and quarters that the defense looks like one of the league’s best.QUOTE]

What?! When?

Not since the first 8 weeks or so of last season.....oh well.

watermock
10-31-2007, 12:32 PM
"Sour grapes into wine" Sayeth Mock

Sometimes the burden of leadership is thust apon one,...

It is time for Jay to accept that burden now! It's time to become the leader like John and Farve.

Rock Chalk
10-31-2007, 01:20 PM
Sorry, but its hard to take anything someone named Milo says too seriously. Im waiting to hear what Erasmus and Rumpelstiltskin have to say before I rush to judgment. As I was reading it I was thinking, "this was written by Milo." Its distracting.

This may be the most retarded thing ever posted at the Orangemane.

And that is saying a lot.

Mediator12
10-31-2007, 01:26 PM
Well I do agree on the assumption that we don't really stand for anything and we are missing an identity. One week its this and the next week "let's play for DWill"... the only thing that happens consistently is that we play inconsistently.

It's frustrating. We need leadership.

Yep, and the whole NFL is scattered with Younger inconsistent type teams. This is the youngest the NFL has ever been outside of the teams that have the consistency like NE and INDY who mix VETS and Draft picks better than any other team.

The games this year are so much more mistake driven than the last few years where players made plays instead of having teams gift them games. GB, DET, DAL, JAX heck even INDY have won games they had no business winning without inexperienced teams gifting it to them. Funny how all five of those teams have solid if not spectacular DL's and consistent pass rush though.

vancejohnson82
10-31-2007, 03:32 PM
true, if Cutler responds with some serious leadership in the upcoming weeks we can begin to talk of the new "era"

its just that sometimes i feel like he is skipping around the field with his helmet over his eyes humming Sugar Ray songs while the game is slipping away

NYBronco
10-31-2007, 05:18 PM
true, if Cutler responds with some serious leadership in the upcoming weeks we can begin to talk of the new "era"

its just that sometimes i feel like he is skipping around the field with his helmet over his eyes humming Sugar Ray songs while the game is slipping away



I have seen Cutler seriously lead this team into position to win games (several). Other than "skipping" to the defensive side of the ball... what are you specifically talking about?

Bronx33
10-31-2007, 05:23 PM
"Sour grapes into wine" Sayeth Mock

Sometimes the burden of leadership is thust apon one,...

It is time for Jay to accept that burden now! It's time to become the leader like John and Farve.


Now the question is: will grampa mike let him..

NFLBRONCO
10-31-2007, 10:05 PM
Seriously don't you think the reason we are faltering this year is we have weaknesses in major areas DT LB S RB

JCMElway
10-31-2007, 11:15 PM
Sorry, but its hard to take anything someone named Milo says too seriously. Im waiting to hear what Erasmus and Rumpelstiltskin have to say before I rush to judgment. As I was reading it I was thinking, "this was written by Milo." Its distracting.

This may be the crappiest take I've ever seen on this board from someone who does not support the Chiefs.

lex
11-01-2007, 12:11 AM
This may be the most retarded thing ever posted at the Orangemane.

And that is saying a lot.

Yeah, you know...its like Milo F. Bryant....is that some guy with a bow-tie or is it a talking dog...Im not sure. And I also like how the 'F.' is supposed to make it sound more distinguished even when preceded by Milo. He and Maynard T. Oliphant are probably lovers.

BroncoSoja
11-01-2007, 12:22 AM
blah blah blah same old stuff we here year in and year out from Shanny-hand. "if we don't get it done in the red-zone blah blah blah blah"...

Same old problems with had for years now (Red-Zone) issues... Guess were going to blame it on the fact that we have young players leading now...Quick someone list the other reasons year after year for the past 7 or so years....

lex
11-01-2007, 12:25 AM
blah blah blah same old stuff we here year in and year out from Shanny-hand. "if we don't get it done in the red-zone blah blah blah blah"...

Same old problems with had for years now (Red-Zone) issues... Guess were going to blame it on the fact that we have young players leading now...Quick someone list the other reasons year after year for the past 7 or so years....

That was a nicely executed play on words. Other people feel their way around but you have "the vision". You really made it look easy.

400HZ
11-01-2007, 12:31 AM
I wonder if Shanahan will be content to stand pat and let his young guys develop, or if he will go on another another free agent spending spree. Is Denver going to have the cap room for another free agent spree? I know you guys pushed a lot of hits back this year. It's always interesting to see what Denver does in the offseason. This past offseason's moves are looking pretty weak right now, but the season is still young.

lex
11-01-2007, 12:36 AM
I wonder if Shanahan will be content to stand pat and let his young guys develop, or if he will go on another another free agent spending spree. Is Denver going to have the cap room for another free agent spree? I know you guys pushed a lot of hits back this year. It's always interesting to see what Denver does in the offseason. This past offseason's moves are looking pretty weak right now, but the season is still young.

Yeah, this season is a good reason to not go crazy with FAs. We sign Kennedy and Rice and havent seen squat...but our young guys have shown some promise on the other hand. Even though theyre in the middle of a learning curve, theyve been more productive than the vets. I dont mind a FA here or ther but someone who is decent but not a break the bank guy. And its actually kind of satisfying watching the young guys from the 06 and 07 draft class try to find their way. Weve had so many lean years when it comes to draft picks its kind of weird.

SoCalBronco
11-01-2007, 12:42 AM
I wonder if Shanahan will be content to stand pat and let his young guys develop, or if he will go on another another free agent spending spree. Is Denver going to have the cap room for another free agent spree? I know you guys pushed a lot of hits back this year. It's always interesting to see what Denver does in the offseason. This past offseason's moves are looking pretty weak right now, but the season is still young.

Herc has reported that we have about 20 million in space under the cap...although I hope we conserve most of it, as we need to start resigning some of the our home grown talent that is coming close to FA status and also providing sufficient funds to pay the bigger contracts we've doled out recently as the yearly base salary hits rise in the coming years. The best approach, as always, is to accumulate draft picks if possible and address most of the needs there.

Requiem
11-01-2007, 02:29 AM
Yeah.

wabbit
11-01-2007, 03:04 AM
... I hope we conserve most of it, as we need to start resigning some of the our home grown talent that is coming close to FA status...

...The best approach, as always, is to accumulate draft picks if possible and address most of the needs there.


On the mark as usual, although, once again, the Broncos have allowed needs to accumulate to a crisis state...LB, DT, S & perhaps WR.

Everybody develops needs each year, obviously, but for whatever reason, the Broncos always seem to stretch some needs to the extreme before they become such a crisis as they threaten a season...like 2007.

The DT problem has been around for a while...I mean, you can only plug in so many has beens and never-will-be's before you finally break down and draft high and/or pay through the nose in FA.

LB is more forgiveable in one sense...I sincerely believe Warrick Holdman would've been a terrific OLB compliment & stop-gap, but the injury bug took that away.

The continuing saga of Ian Gold is not forgiveable. It had to be clear to everyone and the family dog that this guy was fading fast at the end of 2006, and now, this year, he is just this side of worthless.

Safety has been a lingering illness for our defenses for years, and while real progress has been made at WR, it's pretty clear our depth was not close to stepping in for the people they replaced...Marshall for Walker just isn't the same, although Stokley has been amazing.

I've never figured out why Denver won't spend a first day pick on a Safety...they just won't and they won't explain why; "It's not our top priority"...'07 was a great year for young talent at FS and SS and Denver opted to ignore it...to our chagrin.

We can hope this little circus we call a DL will finally convince Shanahan & Sundquist something drastic HAS to be done...I mean, it seems Bates is going to run his system if he has to recruit three fat guys from the stands to fill in for injury

...and, finally, the worrisome neck injury to Lynch might...maybe, possibly...move the Broncos off the mark in the direction of some young, first day, or even FA talent at Safety.

We can only hope...eh??