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10-29-2007, 10:33 PM
" Continental voters who once howled about the treaty have shrugged their shoulders; after barely a week many of the conjurors in Brussels have already given up the subterfuge, reassuring everybody that it is a constitution, after all."
basically europe tries to democratically pass a constitution, falls completely on face. now passes a treaty that is almost exactly the same in intent of constitution and thereby end arounds the vote. mighta got the idea from bush.
10-30-2007, 12:00 AM
EU to be guided by committee of 12 “Wise Men”
October 20th, 2007 · 2 Comments
EU about to launch ‘wise men committee’ mandate
Turkish Daily News | Oct 19, 2007
by CANSU ÇAMLIBEL
The European Union is getting ready to resume work on establishing a Committee of Wise Men that will discuss the future frontiers of the 27-nation bloc —a proposal initially put forth by French President Nicolas Sarkozy targeting Turkey’s membership— as EU leaders are expected to reach an agreement on the main principles in Lisbon today, and to stamp the mandate of the Committee at a European Summit in December. Sarkozy succeeded in convincing the EU to form a Committee of Wise Men to discuss the future of Europe and although the proposal had initially sparked a reaction from the European Commission and some member states, German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s support led to a broader acceptance inside the 27-nation bloc.
Portugal, which holds 6-month rotating presidency of the EU, prepares to receive approval for the mandate of Wise Men during the European Council meeting to be held Dec. 13-14. EU leaders convened in Lisbon yesterday for a two-day informal summit to conclude talks on the Reform Treaty. EU diplomats said they may also reach an agreement for the Committee of Wise Men. If European leaders find time to agree on the principles, the approval of a mandate for the Wise Men is expected to be stamped in December
All depends on how mandate is penned
The Wise Men Committee will be entitled to prepare a detailed report on the future frontiers of Europe until 2009. Whether the Committee will serve as a new institution to judge which countries could be EU members remains to be the controversial question. EU experts said the answer lies in how the mandate will be penned.The EU may use wording to avoid possible negative effects of the Wise Men report on Turkey’s negotiation process, said the Turkish side. Reference to previous EU commitments for already negotiating countries is considered a mid-way solution, is drawing distinction between future candidates.
The Committee of Wise men is expected to consist of 12 independent names with broadly respected reputation for their professions. State secretary for EU Affairs of France, Jean-Pierre Jouyet, was quoted saying that members of the Committee should be of different origin to reflect the sensitivities of all sides in Europe. EU officials said that since geographical representation is one of the considerations for election, one of the 12 wise men could possibly be Greek or Greek Cypriot. Portuguese officials in Brussels believe that paving the way for Wise Men would result in a silent blockage of France on current negotiations with Turkey. France has been negotiating to get approval for Wise Men in order to give it the green light for opening the chapters which are not among the five related to full membership.
Turkey awaits for the EU’s consent to open two chapters that are not among the French list, namely, consumer and health protection and trans-European Networks. Although there is no technical obstacle to open those chapters, the fate of the negotiations heavily depend on the decision of the Wise Men. EU sources said if there is no time left for agreement on establishment of the Committee in Lisbon today, Turkey may face the risk of waiting until the end of the December Summit before opening new chapters.
10-30-2007, 01:01 PM
I love the way Europe does things. Now, they'll argue for ten years over what constitutes a "wise" man. This will be good. :rofl:
10-30-2007, 04:49 PM
Wow .. sounds like the UN security council ... and we all now how well that works in relation to the rest of the UN.
The European Union is getting ready to resume work on establishing a Committee of Wise Men that will discuss the future frontiers of the 27-nation bloc
We tried that starting with 13 independent nation states. Lots of blood was spilled to make sure the King would rule again. At least we started out right. Anyway someone call France we need our asses bailed out.......again.