As crazy as it may sound, will the Lions be favored?

[JCMElway]

As weird as it is, the Lions are playing good football and seem to have a split personality like the Broncos. True they have been slaughtered in their two losses, but they have seemed sharp in every other game. Pluswhich, Kevin Jones has been effective and they're undeafeated at home.

Not to look past the Pack, but could Denver be in trouble vs. the.....Lions?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why is it crazy? The Broncos aren't very good. The Lions appear to be just that.

[JCMElway]

It's crazy because the Lions have been the dregs of the NFL for the past ten years and the Broncs have been a team that consistently has a winning record. Even a simpleton like you should be able to figure that out.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It's crazy because the Lions have been the dregs of the NFL for the past ten years and the Broncs have been a team that consistently has a winning record. Even a simpleton like you should be able to figure that out.

What happened before this season is irrelevant. The Lions are good and the Broncos are not. Get used to it.

[Punisher]

it may be a trap game too with K.C in the next week

[broncofan]

We were in trouble against Buffalo and Oakland...there's no reason to believe we won't be in trouble against Detroit.

[Punisher]

We were in trouble against Buffalo and Oakland...there's no reason to believe we won't be in trouble against Detroit.

come on those two are AFC TEAMS if buffalo or raiders ever go to the NFC they will be right in the mix of things too

[TheDave]

Were are simply not good enough to be favored over anyone at this point...

JMO but i wouldn't worry what the odds makers think.

[MechanicalBull]

I think tomorrow line says something about the NFC. Green Bay is 5-1 in first place and they are getting 3 pts at 3-3 Denver. If the roles were reversed and the Packers were 3-3 and playing at GB against 5-1 Denver I think the Broncos might be favored in that game.

[Pezman]

Its not like Chicago is a quality team this year. Who the hell have the Lions beaten that gives them the rights to be a scary club. Have we forgotten how badly the Eagles beat them down just a few weeks ago 56-21?

[broncofan]

come on those two are AFC TEAMS if buffalo or raiders ever go to the NFC they will be right in the mix of things too

We haven't seen any NFC competition yet, so there isn't any other way to measure such a matchup. You can't buy too much into the hype that the average AFC team would be a monster NFC team...after all, it's still the NFL. The AFC is obviously the stronger conference, but the Bills, Raiders, and even we have hardly contributed to that, especially this year. Combine that with our uncanny ability to play down to our oppenents and allow them to stay in games and you have a tough matchup. That's even if you would consider us to be a better team than Detroit right now. I do, but some may not, and they have an argument.

[NFLBRONCO]

Unless we play like we did against Pitt all games left could be a trap game. I think we will get better each game but, face it we are weak on D. Pitt game was only game we played with passion. I think this season rides on how many points the O scores each game.

[BroncoBuff]

It's crazy because the Lions have been the dregs of the NFL for the past ten years and the Broncs have been a team that consistently has a winning record. Even a simpleton like you should be able to figure that out.
That's exactly right .... the Lions have the worst tradition/history of any NFL team, maybe of any team in all pro sports. The only playoff game they've been in since - what, the merger? - was when that Wayne Fontes accidentally slipped into the wild card one year.

Am I missing one, or is that their only playoff appearance since the AFL-NFL merger?

[BroncoBuff]

We haven't seen any NFC competition yet.
Geez, you're right. The 2nd half of the season's gonna be almost all Chefs and NFC North.

[Jens1893]

That's exactly right .... the Lions have the worst tradition/history of any NFL team, maybe of any team in all pro sports. The only playoff game they've been in since - what, the merger? - was when that Wayne Fontes accidentally slipped into the wild card one year.

Am I missing one, or is that their only playoff appearance since the AFL-NFL merger?

Postseason log
1999
NFC Wildcard Game: lost 13 - 27 at Washington Redskins
1997
NFC Wildcard Game: lost 10 - 20 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1995
NFC Wildcard Game: lost 37 - 58 at Philadelphia Eagles
1994
NFC Wildcard Game: lost 12 - 16 at Green Bay Packers
1993
NFC Wildcard Game: lost 24 - 28 vs. Green Bay Packers
1991
NFC Divisional Playoff: won 38 - 6 vs. Dallas Cowboys
NFC Championship Game: lost 10 - 41 at Washington Redskins
1983
NFC Divisional Playoff: lost 23 - 24 at San Francisco 49ers
1982
NFC Wildcard Game: lost 7 - 31 at Washington Redskins
1970
NFC Divisional Playoff: lost 0 - 5 at Dallas Cowboys
1957
NFL Divisional Playoff: won 31 - 27 at San Francisco 49ers
NFL Championship Game: won 59 - 14 vs. Cleveland Browns
1954
NFL Championship Game: lost 10 - 56 at Cleveland Browns
1953
NFL Championship Game: won 17 - 16 vs. Cleveland Browns
1952
NFL Divisional Playoff: won 31 - 21 at Los Angeles Rams
NFL Championship Game: won 17 - 7 at Cleveland Browns
1935
NFL Championship Game: won 26 - 7 vs. New York Giants

All-time postseason record: 7 - 10

[BroncoBuff]

I guess I WAS missing a few after all ... ROFL!

[azbroncfan]

Lions will be a 3 pt favorite next week. Even though Detroit has been terrible the past couple years they have been good at home. Will be a tough game.

[Los Broncos]

They will be the favorite, will be a tough game.

Hopefully we have Champ back along with Bly, without them it will be tough v a pass first offense.

[cutback]

last week sportsbook.com had the game available to bet at detroit -2.5

[sirhcyennek81]

Why is it crazy? The Broncos aren't very good. The Lions appear to be just that.


considering denver is 1/2 a game back from the division lead does not speak to the ability of the other divisional teams.


:Broncos:

[ro_50]

it may be a trap game too with K.C in the next week

Why would this be considered a "trap game" when Denver's opponent is 5-2 and boasts a lot of talent on the offensive side.


A trap game is when a team looks ahead and takes that week's opponent lightly, which is normally inferior, but the Lions are by no means inferior to Denver, hell, they are better than them right now.

[rovolution]

Lions will definantly be a tough matchup.


that is why i have a hunch that Champ will probably sit out this game in order to get ready for the lions game.

Driver, jennings and J. Jones are good, but comon,

R. Williams, C. Johnson, Furrey, McDonald + K. Jones toting the rock + Kitna + Martz's playcalling

Thats a lot of firepower. No need to risk Champ for this week.

[broncofan]

that is why i have a hunch that Champ will probably sit out this game in order to get ready for the lions game.

Yikes...somehow I don't think that will be the case. If he's ready to go, he'll go. I don't think it's necessary to overcompensate for a week 9 game against Detroit.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

considering denver is 1/2 a game back from the division lead does not speak to the ability of the other divisional teams.


:Broncos:

Actually it does. The good teams in the AFC West (SD and KC) don't need last-second field goals to win games.

[Bronx33]

W is a W last time i checked you stupid infant.

[azbroncfan]

Actually it does. The good teams in the AFC West (SD and KC) don't need last-second field goals to win games.There is one good team in the AFC WEST and it isn't KC. SD is heads and tails better than any other team in the division.

[broncswin]

Unless we play like we did against Pitt all games left could be a trap game. I think we will get better each game but, face it we are weak on D. Pitt game was only game we played with passion. I think this season rides on how many points the O scores each game.

Ya but we also ran a different scheme against pitt as well, it is just here say on how we will play, but I think the scheme change is momentum to build on for us.

[Florida_Bronco]

I don't see it being any trouble. If the Steelers game was any indication, and I think it was, our team is finally coming around and appears to have a shot of confidence. Also if we have Champ back that really helps as well.

Unless we revert to earlier season form, I'm confident we will dispatch the Lions with relative ease.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

There is one good team in the AFC WEST and it isn't KC. SD is heads and tails better than any other team in the division.

Chiefs already stole the keys to San Diego's house.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Unless we revert to earlier season form, I'm confident we will dispatch the Lions with relative ease.

ROFL!

You'll be doing well next week if you only allow 30. I suspect 40 will be the order of the day.

[broncswin]

Actually it does. The good teams in the AFC West (SD and KC) don't need last-second field goals to win games.

LOL LOL ROFL! ROFL!

[BlaK-Argentina]

LOL LOL ROFL! ROFL!

That's some funny stuff right there. Hilarious!

[Florida_Bronco]

Bob, Isn't that the kind of black and white thinking that left you holding your dick in shock and awe when we dominated the Steelers?

[azbroncfan]

Chiefs already stole the keys to San Diego's house.


So what, they will finish ahead of KC. They didn't have their confidence and chemistry until rolling over Denver and they have played great since. They probably will win in Narrowhead and it won't make a difference what KC did in SD. KC still has several tough games to go.

[Bronco Billy]

Yikes...somehow I don't think that will be the case. If he's ready to go, he'll go. I don't think it's necessary to overcompensate for a week 9 game against Detroit.

Totally agree. GB's a passing team too. They won't sit out Champ just to prepare for Detroit.

About Detroit:

Jones ran pretty well today and has averaged over 4 yards per carry in his last three games. This is definitely a passing team, but they have run well.
One guy I'm worried about is DeWayne White, a DE who's also out of Louisville. Lepsis will have his hands full. He has 4 sacks in the last two games and constently disrupts the pocket. Didn't see him do a whole lot against the run though. 11 of the 12 Lions interceptions came over 3 games against Minnesota (Jackson) and Chicago (Griese). Cutler definitely needs to protect the ball.

I think we can win. The Bears were beating them 13-3 going into the 4th Qtr only to lose 37-31. We just can't let down. The Bears put up 31 on them with Griese, Benson, Muhammed, and Berrian. (Hester had a TD return). We definitely have a better offense than that.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So what, they will finish ahead of KC. They didn't have their confidence and chemistry until rolling over Denver

Beating the Broncos, Raiders and Texans will do a lot for a team.

[sirhcyennek81]

Actually it does. The good teams in the AFC West (SD and KC) don't need last-second field goals to win games.


Thank God this is college and that matters, huh bobo?


:Broncos:

[NFLBRONCO]

Ya but we also ran a different scheme against pitt as well, it is just here say on how we will play, but I think the scheme change is momentum to build on for us.

Your right it could we'll see.

[400HZ]

Detroit is kind of a Jekyll and Hyde team this year.

[broncofan2438]

Lions will definantly be a tough matchup.


that is why i have a hunch that Champ will probably sit out this game in order to get ready for the lions game.

Driver, jennings and J. Jones are good, but comon,

R. Williams, C. Johnson, Furrey, McDonald + K. Jones toting the rock + Kitna + Martz's playcalling

Thats a lot of firepower. No need to risk Champ for this week.


I thought that teams don't look ahead in the season and just focus on that weeks matchup

[Doggcow]

Bob, Isn't that the kind of black and white thinking that left you holding your dick in shock and awe when we dominated the Steelers?

bumping this due to Bob's intentional avoidance of it. Lol pwnt.

[rovolution]

I thought that teams don't look ahead in the season and just focus on that weeks matchup


If Champs not 100% and playing might aggravate his hammy even more, they probably wont play him and wait till next week.

he didnt practice on Friday, so we dont know yet whether he will play or not.

Anyway, whatever. i guess we'll all find out on Monday Night.

Jay can win it in a shootout if necessary!!!!!

It'd be a MNF Classic.

[Doggcow]

The new gunslinger takes down the old gunslinger, it's already a classic.

[JCMElway]

I thought that teams don't look ahead in the season and just focus on that weeks matchup

Teams don't.

We do.

[KCStud]

Does it really matter? Doesn't matter if DEN is better than KC, KC better than SD, SD better than DEN, KC better than DEN or DEN better than SD.

Whoever makes it to the playoffs is going to get embarassed by the Colts or Patriots(take your pick).

The Bolts aren't that good(neither is KC or DEN). Beating the Fade, a Broncos team that was horrible at the time and a Texans team is nothing to brag about.

We'll see just how good SD really is. They have a BRUTAL second half. Only Minny and OAK are gimme's.

IND
@JAC
BAL
@KC
@TEN
DEN

[Kaylore]

I was impressed with the Lions today. They play physical on defense and their offense is explosive. They also did enough on special teams to neutralize Devon Hester. Bottom line is they are a complete team and in their house it will be no easy task trying to stop them.

That said, I heard on ESPN radio that the staff is not impressed with George Foster of late, particularly in his pass protection. They said he's in danger of getting benched. ROFL! :wave:

[TheReverend]

Actually it does. The good teams in the AFC West (SD and KC) don't need last-second field goals to win games.

The good teams in the AFC West don't need to keep their franchise QB on the bench.

[Crushaholic]

I was impressed with the Lions today. They play physical on defense and their offense is explosive. They also did enough on special teams to neutralize Devon Hester. Bottom line is they are a complete team and in their house it will be no easy task trying to stop them.

That said, I heard on ESPN radio that the staff is not impressed with George Foster of late, particularly in his pass protection. They said he's in danger of getting benched. ROFL! :wave:

Nice. Tatum Bell has already been benched and George Foster is next...:rofl:

[Florida_Bronco]

Whoever makes it to the playoffs is going to get embarassed by the Colts or Patriots(take your pick).

You say that like it's an absolute certainty, and it's nothing of the sort. No team is unbeatable.

[400HZ]

Does it really matter? Doesn't matter if DEN is better than KC, KC better than SD, SD better than DEN, KC better than DEN or DEN better than SD.

Whoever makes it to the playoffs is going to get embarassed by the Colts or Patriots(take your pick).

The Bolts aren't that good(neither is KC or DEN). Beating the Fade, a Broncos team that was horrible at the time and a Texans team is nothing to brag about.

We'll see just how good SD really is. They have a BRUTAL second half. Only Minny and OAK are gimme's.

IND
@JAC
BAL
@KC
@TEN
DEN

Nobody is beating their chests over those wins. How many "come suck off the Chargers threads" do you see here? We aren't the Chiefs. Nobody in SD feels the need to spew irrelevent crap all over this board if our team wins a game. Some of you guys should take note.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Actually it does. The good teams in the AFC West (SD and KC) don't need last-second field goals to win games.


This is quite possibly the dumbest thing i've read in 10 years.

[Jens1893]

This is quite possibly the dumbest thing i've read in 10 years.

Possibly. Will the Pats give back the 2 Lombardis they won on last second FGs? Can we count the loss at Arrowhead in 1997 in which Stoyanovich kicked a last second FG from 50+ out as a win now?

[Broncoman13]

I don't see it being any trouble. If the Steelers game was any indication, and I think it was, our team is finally coming around and appears to have a shot of confidence. Also if we have Champ back that really helps as well.

Unless we revert to earlier season form, I'm confident we will dispatch the Lions with relative ease.

I can remember Coyer doing this quite a bit. Everytime I was really pissed he would follow up with a game where he "just let the guys play football" or "turned the DLine loose". It was just enough to not go postal on him 4 weeks in a row. But after a good game he revert to the same old BS defense that would end up pissing everybody off. So, hopefully Bates doesn't revert to weeks 1-5!!!

[KCStud]

You say that like it's an absolute certainty, and it's nothing of the sort. No team is unbeatable.

The Colts and Pats are not unbeatable, but they are close to it if that, especially the Pats. I don't see any team in the AFC West even making it a game if they go to the RCA Dome or Gillette Stadium

[KCStud]

I also don't understand why people are thinking the Chargers are back. The game yesterday was more of the Texans playing lousy than the Chargers playing great.

Horrible snap on the punt causing a TD
Horrible coverage on Gates all day
Horrible passing by Schaub all day ending up in 2 INT's(1 returned for a TD)

SD played well yesterday, but I still think they are not as good as they were last season.

[watermock]

:rofl: :rofl: What happened before this season is irrelevant. The Lions are good and the Broncos are not. Get used to it.
!Booya!

Jeezus BoBo...The Broncos are in transition...We know that.I like most of their moves.

[55CrushEm]

I think our offense should do well @ Detroit.....

The Lions have the 28th ranked defense in the NFL.....30th vs. the pass.

[400HZ]

I also don't understand why people are thinking the Chargers are back. The game yesterday was more of the Texans playing lousy than the Chargers playing great.

Horrible snap on the punt causing a TD
Horrible coverage on Gates all day
Horrible passing by Schaub all day ending up in 2 INT's(1 returned for a TD)

SD played well yesterday, but I still think they are not as good as they were last season.

Didn't Houston dominate you guys?

[cmhargrove]

Although I still believe we can make the playoffs this year, there are no easy games for the Broncos this year. Even if we get a lead, we will probably let it get too close in the 4th quarter.

We are in store for some very exciting games, and I don't care if Elam wins every one of them. We have lots of youth on the roster now, and it is exciting to see them create their own identity.

If we get Javon, and maybe Rod back by the end of the year, our offense could be very interesting. Imagine Walker, Marshall, Stokely, Smith, and Scheffler all on the field for a play. It could really be cool.

We'll see how this year turns out, but I am excited to be a Broncos fan, and I don't feel the need to visit any Chief's boards to borrow off another team's excitement (was that a personal shot?).

[broncswin]

Didn't Houston dominate you guys?

Oh god I was thinking the same thing!!:thumbsup:

[Bronx33]

The good teams in the AFC West don't need to keep their franchise QB on the bench.


Good teams don't need to have restraining orders put on it's fans either (right bob?)

[KCStud]

Didn't Houston dominate you guys?

yes and KC dominated the Chargers in San Diego. What's your point?

[Bronx33]

yes and KC dominated the Chargers in San Diego. What's your point?


A charger drubbing on Dec 2nd will be the point and another drubbing the following week should put you and bob in the fetal postion.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LOL...the chances of San Diego beating us at Arrowhead are slim and none. We will make Rivers our bitch once again.

[Bronx33]

There! the curse is on! thanks for playing bob.

[KCStud]

A charger drubbing on Dec 2nd will be the point and another drubbing the following week should put you and bob in the fetal postion.

This is too easy. When was the last time KC lost a home game in December against a division rival?

Rivers always plays like crap against us and we have the Chargers #. And I wouldn't get too cocky about KC losing in DEN. You were fortunate to beat KC last time with Huard starting.
This year your rush defense is lousy and KC is gonna pound it everytime. I wouldn't be surprised if KC won in Denver this year.

[Jens1893]

From "We don´t lose at Arrowhead in December" to "We don´t lose to Division rivals at Arrowhead in December" :rofl:

[No1BroncoFan]

come on those two are AFC TEAMS if buffalo or raiders ever go to the NFC they will be right in the mix of things too

Nah. The Raiders would still finish third in the NFC West. They might get a divisional win in this decade though. ;D

Ben