Elway Bothered that Favre passed his record

[dragondawg]

Favre takes Elway's record. Former Broncos quarterback John Elway lost perhaps his most cherished record this year when Favre became the NFL's all-time winningest quarterback. Elway retired after the 1998 season with 148 wins. Favre has 152 wins in 16-plus seasons entering his Monday night game against the Broncos.

Yes, it bothered Elway some to see the distinction of "winningest quarterback" go.

"You'd like to have something to hang onto," Elway said. "But having the second-most wins isn't bad, either."

Besides, Elway has another record Favre is not likely to touch: Super Bowl appearances. Elway has started in five Super Bowls, a record among quarterbacks. No other quarterback has played in more than four. Favre has two Super Bowl starts.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_7282674

[Killericon]

He had to know someone would pass it. Favre will have it for less tiem he did, though.

[Taco John]

Heh... Elway got rid of a pool table once because he lost on it. You have to know this would tick him off!

[Bronco LB 59]

Favre can have his record. Elway will flaunt his ring from XXXII.

[fatcard]

Farve can kiss my a$$. Mind you, when they were both playing together, there wasn't much seperating them in terms of quality. Funny thing is that Elway stayed a quality pro right to the end, farve has slipped, but is coming back this year?

[Cosmo]

Lets hope Brady doesn't beat him in SB appearances, not sure I could stand the cheaters taking that record from the Duke.

[Rock Chalk]

Lets hope Brady doesn't beat him in SB appearances, not sure I could stand the cheaters taking that record from the Duke.

Get ready. because not only is Tom Cheatrific going to be in more superbowls, he will go undefeated in them.

[Merlin]

His comeback record will probably remain untouched for a long time.

[Arkie]

I think this record will stand until they go to 18 game seasons. Whoever beats it will have to be injury free for the most part. Manning has a shot, but Favre has a good team this year. He's putting it further out of reach. He may come back next year.

Brady's only shot is if the Pats field a competitive team for his entire career and if he can stay healthy as he gets older--unlike Montana who also had competitive teams. (It also helps if he doesn't get traded away to a team like the chiefs at the end of his career.)

[fatcard]

I think this record will stand until they go to 18 game seasons. Whoever beats it will have to be injury free for the most part. Manning has a shot, but Favre has a good team this year. He's putting it further out of reach. He may come back next year.

Brady's only shot is if the Pats field a competitive team for his entire career and if he can stay healthy as he gets older--unlike Montana who also had competitive teams. (It also helps if he doesn't get traded away to a team like the chiefs at the end of his career.)


Lets face it... Brady is the 21at centruy joe montana. Same action, same completion percentage, same great sorrounding talent. He's a great manager of the game and shouldn't be misrepresented by the whole bellicheat fiasco.

Sure, he's a d|ck, but you would have said the same thing about elway if he'd played for KC.

[Arkie]

Comparing the current QBs to the HOFers,

Favre is more Elway-like, a gunslinger and a warrior that wills his teams to win.

Manning is Marino-like, efficient, stat leader.

Brady is Montana-like, see fatcard's post above. Also, Joe Cool and Tom Terrific have similar nicknames.

[Garcia Bronco]

Heh... Elway got rid of a pool table once because he lost on it. You have to know this would tick him off!

LOL...good point.

[Atlas]

Elway shouldn't have been a selfish bastard and retired. If he would have played the 99 season he would still have the record and probably another Superbowl ring.

[B-Love]

You have to attribute Brett Favre's toughness as a huge reason he holds the record. Plus he is playing in one more season than John ever played.

Elway's rookie year only saw two wins, with Deberg and Kubiak getting the other 7. Favre's rookie season was a big nothing in Atlanta under Glanville. So that is pretty much a wash.

Elway missed a start in 1984, only played in 12 games in 1987, missed a start in 88, and another in 1989. Then he had multiple week missed starts in 1992 (Maddox-Moore ugh!!!) and 1998 (Bubby). Elway missed almost 1 full season worth of stats due to injuries.

On a scale of 1-10, Elway's durability was a 9 but Favre's is a 10. John is still the better QB, but Favre's durability is amazing!

[bpc]

He had to know someone would pass it. Favre will have it for less tiem he did, though.

Yup, Manning and Brady will both surpass that number.

[Hotrod]

It will take some time but I think its obvious that Cutler will bring that record back to Denver..............;D

[broncofan2438]

It will take some time but I think its obvious that Cutler will bring that record back to Denver..............;D

Amen to that brother! Maybe Champ and Bly can help Favre add to his int record

[2KBack]

You have to attribute Brett Favre's toughness as a huge reason he holds the record. Plus he is playing in one more season than John ever played.

Elway's rookie year only saw two wins, with Deberg and Kubiak getting the other 7. Favre's rookie season was a big nothing in Atlanta under Glanville. So that is pretty much a wash.

Elway missed a start in 1984, only played in 12 games in 1987, missed a start in 88, and another in 1989. Then he had multiple week missed starts in 1992 (Maddox-Moore ugh!!!) and 1998 (Bubby). Elway missed almost 1 full season worth of stats due to injuries.

On a scale of 1-10, Elway's durability was a 9 but Favre's is a 10. John is still the better QB, but Favre's durability is amazing!


That is because Elway was a scrambler, he has twice as many rushing yards and almost 3 times as many rushing TD's as Farve. That is while still being the most sacked QB in history. I think farve is great, but he didn't take half the hits Elway did in his career, which will lead to better health. Farve would rather throw a pick than take a big hit, hence him earning the record for career Ints.

[rovolution]

You have to attribute Brett Favre's toughness as a huge reason he holds the record. Plus he is playing in one more season than John ever played.

Elway's rookie year only saw two wins, with Deberg and Kubiak getting the other 7. Favre's rookie season was a big nothing in Atlanta under Glanville. So that is pretty much a wash.

Elway missed a start in 1984, only played in 12 games in 1987, missed a start in 88, and another in 1989. Then he had multiple week missed starts in 1992 (Maddox-Moore ugh!!!) and 1998 (Bubby). Elway missed almost 1 full season worth of stats due to injuries.

On a scale of 1-10, Elway's durability was a 9 but Favre's is a 10. John is still the better QB, but Favre's durability is amazing!


1987 was the strike season dude.

Most of the players only played 12 or fewer games.

[B-Love]

That is because Elway was a scrambler, he has twice as many rushing yards and almost 3 times as many rushing TD's as Farve. That is while still being the most sacked QB in history. I think farve is great, but he didn't take half the hits Elway did in his career, which will lead to better health. Farve would rather throw a pick than take a big hit, hence him earning the record for career Ints.

Very true points about Elway and the abuse he took. But Favre has taken lots of hits too, and he was a helluva scrambler as well.

Brett Favre never missing a start for as long as he did is one of the truly amazing accomplishments in sports history. There should not be any questions about Brett Favre's toughness and durability, they are legendary.

[B-Love]

1987 was the strike season dude.

Most of the players only played 12 or fewer games.

Um, ........ I know that.

I'm just saying that it affected the number of games he could have won as a starter.

[rovolution]

Um, ........ I know that.

I'm just saying that it affected the number of games he could have won as a starter.

oh okay. i thought you accidently thought it was a 16 game season and that he missed 4 due to injury (i thought you were only taking about starts missed due to injury).

never mind.

[telluride]

If Elway wanted to keep the record he should have played another season. Or two.

[2KBack]

Very true points about Elway and the abuse he took. But Favre has taken lots of hits too, and he was a helluva scrambler as well.

Brett Favre never missing a start for as long as he did is one of the truly amazing accomplishments in sports history. There should not be any questions about Brett Favre's toughness and durability, they are legendary.

Legendary - meaning the myth is greater than the reality.

Simply when comparing the toughness of Elway vs Farve. Elway took punishment during the era before the pussification of the NFL, and was sacked 516 times, and has 774 rushing attempts.

I think Farve is more lucky than anything.

[Jetmeck]

Bring the heat and watch the almight Favre throw up several ducks for ints Monday night. He'll do it every time.

One record you folks forget about is this. Brett Favre will own the INT record when he retires. That's a fact.

[lod01]

Legendary - meaning the myth is greater than the reality.

Simply when comparing the toughness of Elway vs Farve. Elway took punishment during the era before the pussification of the NFL, and was sacked 516 times, and has 774 rushing attempts.

I think Farve is more lucky than anything.

As a 15 year Favre owner in Fantasy football, I can tell you one of the reasons that he has gone so long without injury is that he gets rid of the ball before the injury can happen. Players like Bustwich and other perpetually injured QB's hodl the ball too long and take a hit that Favre would not have taken. It also contributed bigtime to the record # of INT's. But if throwing an INT saved you and the team from a devastating injury, who cares.

[B-Love]

In Defense of our great John Elway, potsers continue to write idiotic things to minimize the great accomplishments of other Quarterbacks.

Some of the things written here about Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, among others, are ridiculous.

I do believe John was the best ever, but I would never minimize the greatness of someone else, which is what too many people here do.

Brett Favre doesn't miss games, ever over the course of 17 years and people call it "lucky more than anything else". Unreal.

[Rock Chalk]

In Defense of our great John Elway, potsers continue to write idiotic things to minimize the great accomplishments of other Quarterbacks.

Some of the things written here about Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, among others, are ridiculous.

I do believe John was the best ever, but I would never minimize the greatness of someone else, which is what too many people here do.

Brett Favre doesn't miss games, ever over the course of 17 years and people call it "lucky more than anything else". Unreal.

Word. I cant stand how people say Favre is lucky. Afterall, there is zero luck involved in staying healthy as a QB for 17 years in the NFL [/sarcasm]

I do agree, Favre is a warrior and it is a testament to both his durability and his will, but there is absolutely some luck involved when it comes to injury and the NFL. To minimize the luck factor of not missing a game in 17 years is just as idiotic IMO.

[bronco militia]

In Defense of our great John Elway, potsers continue to write idiotic things to minimize the great accomplishments of other Quarterbacks.

Some of the things written here about Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Brett Favre, among others, are ridiculous.

I do believe John was the best ever, but I would never minimize the greatness of someone else, which is what too many people here do.

Brett Favre doesn't miss games, ever over the course of 17 years and people call it "lucky more than anything else". Unreal.

bingo

[Garcia Bronco]

I'd rather be lucky than good any day of the week

[yavoon]

That is because Elway was a scrambler, he has twice as many rushing yards and almost 3 times as many rushing TD's as Farve. That is while still being the most sacked QB in history. I think farve is great, but he didn't take half the hits Elway did in his career, which will lead to better health. Farve would rather throw a pick than take a big hit, hence him earning the record for career Ints.

running qb's get sacked a lot. its the mannings/marinos/brady's that are impossible to get.

[Cito Pelon]

Bring the heat and watch the almight Favre throw up several ducks for ints Monday night. He'll do it every time.

One record you folks forget about is this. Brett Favre will own the INT record when he retires. That's a fact.

And I think he'll keep it for awhile. Here's a list of who threw over 200 INT's:

| | Passing | Rushing |
+-----------------------+-----+----------------------------------+-------
| Name | G | Comp Att YD Y/A TD INT | Yards TD
| Baugh,Sammy | 165 | 1693 2995 21886 7.3 187 203 | 325 9
| Blanda,George | 340 | 1911 4007 26920 6.7 236 277 | 344 9 |
| Bledsoe,Drew | 194 | 3839 6717 44611 6.6 251 206 | 764 10 |
| Bradshaw,Terry | 168 | 2025 3901 27989 7.2 212 210 | 2257 32
| Brodie,John | 201 | 2469 4491 31548 7.0 214 224 | 1167 22
| Deberg,Steve | 207 | 2874 5024 34241 6.8 196 204 | 200 7
| Elway,John | 234 | 4123 7250 51475 7.1 300 226 | 3407 33
| Favre,Brett | 247 | 5181 8470 59215 7.0 423 279 | 1780 13
| Ferguson,Joe | 186 | 2369 4519 29817 6.6 196 209 | 1218 11
| Fouts,Dan | 181 | 3297 5604 43040 7.7 254 242 | 476 13
| Grogan,Steve | 149 | 1879 3593 26886 7.5 182 208 | 2176 35
| Hadl,John | 224 | 2363 4687 33503 7.1 244 268 | 1112 16
| Hart,Jim | 201 | 2593 5076 34665 6.8 209 247 | 207 16
| Layne,Bobby | 175 | 1814 3700 26768 7.2 196 243 | 2451 25
| Marino,Dan | 242 | 4967 8358 61361 7.3 420 252 | 87 9
| Moon,Warren | 208 | 3988 6823 49325 7.2 291 233 | 1736 22
| Namath,Joe | 140 | 1886 3762 27663 7.4 173 220 | 140 7
| Parilli,Babe | 189 | 1552 3330 22681 6.8 178 220 | 1522 23
| Snead,Norm | 178 | 2276 4353 30797 7.1 196 257 | 521 23
| Stabler,Ken | 184 | 2270 3793 27938 7.4 194 222 | 93 4
| Tarkenton,Fran | 246 | 3686 6467 47003 7.3 342 266 | 3674 32
| Testaverde,Vinny | 228 | 3713 6562 45487 6.9 271 261 | 1639 15
| Tittle,Y.A. | 178 | 2118 3817 28339 7.4 212 221 | 999 33
| Unitas,Johnny | 211 | 2830 5186 40239 7.8 290 253 | 1777 13

It's gonna be awhile before Favre gets topped in INT's.

[TexanBob]

and was sacked 516 times

Posh. That's about one season for David Carr...