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dragondawg
10-24-2007, 08:40 AM
Mike Tomlin knew this was coming. He just didn't know when.

Six games into his NFL head coaching career, Tomlin is dealing with this question for the first time: Did the Pittsburgh Steelers lose a game because he was outcoached? Or because he overcoached?

The Steelers' run-heavy offense appeared to have the perfect matchup against Denver and its AFC-worst rushing defense. In their previous game, the Broncos gave up 214 yards rushing in a 41-3 loss to San Diego in Denver.

Instead of trying to exploit Denver's biggest weakness, the Steelers all but abandoned the run early and, despite scoring on their opening drive, twice fell behind by 14 points before losing 31-28.

No wonder the post-game water cooler talk in Pittsburgh has centered on why the Steelers appeared so determined to win with the pass rather than the run, even if Tomlin disputed that notion Tuesday.

"The reality is our game plan was really no different than what it's been all year," Tomlin said. "Willie Parker ran the ball 10 times for 48 yards in the first half, and he ran it 10 times for 17 yards in the first half (Oct. 7) against Seattle. But Seattle was characterized as a great running game because of how we finished, how we won the game."

However, Tomlin's explanation differed from what he offered minutes after the Steelers lost their second in a row on the road. Then, he intimated the Steelers were forced to throw when Denver loaded eight defenders along the line of scrimmage to try to stop the run.

"We knew they would come out in preparation to stop the run, and they (did)," Tomlin said after the game. "It's the same cat-and-mouse chess game."

Tomlin insists the Steelers didn't overreact by giving up on the run early and weren't duped by Broncos coach Mike Shanahan into abandoning the run, even though Ben Roethlisberger threw, or attempted to, on 10 of the first 13 plays.

On their opening drive, the Steelers threw six times on an eight-play, 60-yard drive that ended with Roethlisberger's 1-yard scoring pass to tight end Heath Miller. Parker carried twice for three yards on that drive, then got the ball only once on the Steelers' next two possessions.

"I don't think it (the game plan) was any different than it is any other week," Tomlin said. "We always come out with the plan we're going to spread the football around, and explore what we're capable of doing to a team, making them defend the entire field horizontally and vertically."

Despite Parker finishing with 93 yards on 21 carries, the question persists. Why didn't they run more when they had a chance to take control of the game early.

The Steelers' 119 yards rushing were easily the fewest against Denver since Buffalo ran for 112 during the Broncos' season-opening 15-14 victory.

"We win by attrition, we wear teams down over the long haul, over 60 minutes and we run the ball," Tomlin said. "But when you're down 14 points at the beginning of the fourth quarter, you don't have the opportunity to do that and that's the reality of that."

While Tomlin dismissed poor game planning as a possible reason for the loss, he was unhappy with a defense that allowed Jay Cutler to throw for three touchdowns and 248 yards and Denver to pile up 324 yards.

"Don't get me wrong, you give credit to your opponent for executing, but their success is usually your failure," Tomlin said. "There were instances in this football game where we just weren't where we were supposed to be. That's just the reality of it.

"When the quarterback had a nice 31-yard play on a scramble, we weren't where we were supposed to be. When they hit the tight end down the field on their first scoring drive, for a significant gain, we weren't where we're supposed to be. We've got to get better and we've got to get better in a lot of areas."

Notes: WR Hines Ward, who returned after missing two games, had some post-game swelling and pain in his right knee but no more than was expected, Tomlin said. ... Tomlin on rookie LB LaMarr Woodley: "You're talking about a guy who probably has played 65, 66 snaps and has three sacks. That tells us we need to play him more," possibly starting Sunday at Cincinnati.

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/local_story_296230859.html

Drek
10-24-2007, 08:53 AM
He got beat by Cutler and a turnover causing defense. Cutler drove the team down for touchdowns whereas in previous games we were just getting field goals, while the pass rush made good on its chances presented early on.

Next thing they knew they were trailing by two touchdowns. You can't stop and say "hey, lets pound the run now that we're down two scores!" We got up on them, they were forced to go to the air and away from their strengths.

Garcia Bronco
10-24-2007, 09:31 AM
Our offense is good. We average 6 yards a play...and with 88 in the line up..instead of getting 3's we were getting 6.

missingnumber7
10-24-2007, 09:58 AM
The sky is now falling in Pittsburgh too.

Beantown Bronco
10-24-2007, 10:05 AM
I just don't understand how one can fault the Steelers gameplan going in. They scored a TD on their first drive with heavy passing and their only three drives in the 2nd half with heavy passing. They simply didn't have the time to run the ball and methodically drive the ball down the field.

If it wasn't for the Big Ben fumble return for a TD, they most likely win the game, because the Broncos certainly weren't stopping them consistently.

DeuceOfClub
10-24-2007, 10:14 AM
If anything, I think Tomlin “incoached” Shanahan…
Bad game plan, and not enough adjustments.
The Steelers are (just about) 3-13 when Roethlisberger attempt more than 30 passes in a game, they played the worst run defense in the NFL, the sported a good running offense yet they came out passing on almost every down!?

Shanahan on the other hand, failed to make adjustment that allowed the Steelers to control the LoS on both sides in the 2nd half, the 14 points lead and the late heroics by Cutler saved the day.

Arkansas Bronco
10-24-2007, 10:14 AM
He tried to hard to outsmart us. He should have known how weak our run d was and thought we would focus on that and he switched to the passing game. Too bad for him that is a area where we are hard to beat and the game may have played out differently if he stuck to the rushing game. He over planned for this game and it isnt hard to see.

Odysseus
10-24-2007, 10:22 AM
The sky is now falling in Pittsburgh too.

I'm glad I didn't play Fantasy Football this year. A lot of hard seasons all around.

Broncos123
10-24-2007, 10:59 AM
First Tomlin tried to outsmart us by switching to a passing game, First mistake, always play to your strengths. Passing defence is our strength when he made adjustments it was to late and left jsut enough time on the clock. The fact that we confused Roslinburger in the pass defence tells me that we game planned to see some passing from their offence. Shanahan with two weeks to game plan is very hard to outcoach. We have on of the best records in the NFL coming off of a bye week..Sorry, I do not have the satistics handy. Pittsburgh on the other hand has a losing record coming of of a bye week. New coach though, but I think he outsmarted himself and did not play to their strengths, the run.. He should as everyone in the football world would have done, run the ball down our throats. Thier strength was and is our weakness until we can prove we can stop the run on a consistent basis.

TheReverend
10-24-2007, 11:10 AM
First Tomlin tried to outsmart us by switching to a passing game, First mistake, always play to your strengths. Passing defence is our strength when he made adjustments it was to late and left jsut enough time on the clock. The fact that we confused Roslinburger in the pass defence tells me that we game planned to see some passing from their offence. Shanahan with two weeks to game plan is very hard to outcoach. We have on of the best records in the NFL coming off of a bye week..Sorry, I do not have the satistics handy. Pittsburgh on the other hand has a losing record coming of of a bye week. New coach though, but I think he outsmarted himself and did not play to their strengths, the run.. He should as everyone in the football world would have done, run the ball down our throats. Thier strength was and is our weakness until we can prove we can stop the run on a consistent basis.

5-0 in 5 years

Dedhed
10-24-2007, 11:30 AM
The Steelers spanked us in the AFC Championship by doing the same thing and switching to a pass heavy game plan. The truth is that sometimes you have to put your tendencies on their head in this league to keep people off balance. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.

Beantown Bronco
10-24-2007, 11:31 AM
People keep saying that "our passing d is our strength," but think about it. (1) Champ was out and Bly was playing with one arm tied behind his back most of the game, (2) our LBs and safeties have proven that they can't cover decent TEs and RBs out of the backfield, (3) the Broncos were stacking the line with 8 and 9 guys when the down and distance even remotely dictated a rushing play, and (4) the most important thing: by and large, the passing game was working for them.

Again, if it wasn't for one single play (the Big Ben fumble), the Steelers most likely win that game.

jmz313
10-24-2007, 11:33 AM
Lets not forget that big ben led his team to 14 pts in the 4th through the air. If our Pass D was any better then years past we should not of needed Elam to come through again. We kinda reverted to the D from years past on sunday. Not able to stop short to medium passes, especially over the middle. Sure, NO champ but he only covers on guy.

Willynowei
10-24-2007, 11:38 AM
Running the football over 20 times on the road when you're down by two scores for much of the football game is not giving up on the run. On their third drive they tried to run it plenty of times and all it got them to was 3rd and long situations that Big Ben had to bail them out of.

Willynowei
10-24-2007, 11:40 AM
Lets not forget that big ben led his team to 14 pts in the 4th through the air. If our Pass D was any better then years past we should not of needed Elam to come through again. We kinda reverted to the D from years past on sunday. Not able to stop short to medium passes, especially over the middle. Sure, NO champ but he only covers on guy.

Different sort of problem. We gave up passing yardage with poor coverage miscues whereas in years past it was, for the most part poor passrush.

The goodnews is, passcoverage is something the coaches CAN fix. Whereas a lack of talent on your D-line is unfixable over the course of a season. Not to mention, Champ was out and Bly was hurt.

bronco militia
10-24-2007, 12:04 PM
Different sort of problem. We gave up passing yardage with poor coverage miscues whereas in years past it was, for the most part poor passrush.

The goodnews is, passcoverage is something the coaches CAN fix. Whereas a lack of talent on your D-line is unfixable over the course of a season. Not to mention, Champ was out and Bly was hurt.


lol,,,yeah, next game have someone cover the slot receiver every now and then..

Rock Chalk
10-24-2007, 12:10 PM
People keep saying that "our passing d is our strength," but think about it. (1) Champ was out and Bly was playing with one arm tied behind his back most of the game, (2) our LBs and safeties have proven that they can't cover decent TEs and RBs out of the backfield, (3) the Broncos were stacking the line with 8 and 9 guys when the down and distance even remotely dictated a rushing play, and (4) the most important thing: by and large, the passing game was working for them.

Again, if it wasn't for one single play (the Big Ben fumble), the Steelers most likely win that game.

Blah blah, if it wasnt for one catch, the Steelers arent even in that game.

Beantown Bronco
10-24-2007, 12:12 PM
Blah blah, if it wasnt for one catch, the Steelers arent even in that game.

They scored 28 pts with one catch?

Vegas_Bronco
10-24-2007, 12:30 PM
Our defensive pass coverage existed only because Dre was on the field, the rest of the coverage was horrid. Bly would have had 2 more pix if he didn't have a damaged shoulder... This game wouldn't have been close if Champ were in the game - he loves Ben's ignorance.

jmz313
10-24-2007, 12:50 PM
Blah blah, if it wasnt for one catch, the Steelers arent even in that game.

Was that one catch in the EZ by a Steelers DB?

epicSocialism4tw
10-24-2007, 12:53 PM
Blah blah, if it wasnt for one catch, the Steelers arent even in that game.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a buttload of fruitcake.