Give Cutler The Ball And Air It Out Shanahan!

[bpc]

If we are to run the final 10 games of this season, we have to put the ball in Cutler's hand plain and simple. When we've done that this season so far, Cutler has delivered three wins.

Here is something for you stat freaks out there:

Denver's remaining schedule-

GB - 22nd ranked pass D
@ Detroit - 30th ranked pass D
@ KC - 9th ranked pass D
TN - 24th ranked pass D
@ Chicago - 23rd ranked pass D
@ Oak - 12th ranked pass D *Cutler already put up 269 yds against the Fade in Denver, don't believe the ranking!*
KC - 9th ranked pass D
@ Houston - 20th ranked pass D
@ SD - 25th ranked pass D
MN - 32nd ranked pass D

I hope Shanahan looks at this and his eyes bulge. He knows what he needs to do. Its time to air it out and let Cutler start full-filling his destiny as the next great QB in Denver. 7 of our last 10 games are against teams ranked outside of the top 20 in pass defense.

That should be a walk in the park after he just sliced up the 3rd rated pass defense in the league.

ON that happy note i'm off to bed. Enjoy, we should have a bright future ahead of us as long as we give Cutler the chance to dominate. :)

PS: KC's pass defense will be a lot lower after Cutler routes them in his first trip to the Show Me State.

[Popps]

Been saying it for a couple weeks, Chris. Totally agree. We also need to protect a weak defense. It's not championship-style football, though... the Colts managed to buck the odds last year.

Worst case scenario, we get Cutler so comfortable in this offense he can run it in his sleep next year.

[bpc]

Been saying it for a couple weeks, Chris. Totally agree. We also need to protect a weak defense. It's not championship-style football, though... the Colts managed to buck the odds last year.

Worst case scenario, we get Cutler so comfortable in this offense he can run it in his sleep next year.

That is the idea! I just want him to get running smoothly this year. If that means we have to sit through some 3 or 4 INT games, then so be it. We need to put the ball in his hand and play him through possibly every situation he will see in the NFL.

If the Travis Henry situation/debacle is positive in anyway, it moves Cutler forth as the main option on this offense, which he should be.

I really think if we call his plays, his number, put the ball in his hand, Cutler could end up tying or coming close to John Elway's record for TD's for this franchise which is 27 for the season. He's at 7 right now. Last year Cutler ran of five straight games with two TD's. Its not out of the question to say he could get on that kind of streak again if Shanahan gives him the opportunity.

Protecting this defense entails scoring points. Jay can do that. More than anything else, draft picks or FA's in the offseason, we need to get Cutler rolling. That will be a big elixer for this teams future woes. We get Cutler going and WR's will start looking more effective, the running game will have more room to run.

I have no doubt if we keep getting Bates players at LB and DT, they'll come along as well.

[CBF1]

Great catch and info.... worthy of rep :thumbsup:

[Rock Chalk]

That is the idea! I just want him to get running smoothly this year. If that means we have to sit through some 3 or 4 INT games, then so be it. We need to put the ball in his hand and play him through possibly every situation he will see in the NFL.

If the Travis Henry situation/debacle is positive in anyway, it moves Cutler forth as the main option on this offense, which he should be.

I really think if we call his plays, his number, put the ball in his hand, Cutler could end up tying or coming close to John Elway's record for TD's for this franchise which is 27 for the season. He's at 7 right now. Last year Cutler ran of five straight games with two TD's. Its not out of the question to say he could get on that kind of streak again if Shanahan gives him the opportunity.

Protecting this defense entails scoring points. Jay can do that. More than anything else, draft picks or FA's in the offseason, we need to get Cutler rolling. That will be a big elixer for this teams future woes. We get Cutler going and WR's will start looking more effective, the running game will have more room to run.

I have no doubt if we keep getting Bates players at LB and DT, they'll come along as well.

Jake Plummer/John Elway's record of 27 TDs in a season for the Denver Broncos. Just a minor correction.

[broncosteven]

Jake Plummer/John Elway's record of 27 TDs in a season for the Denver Broncos. Just a minor correction.

Jake also holds the ex-bronco record for post mens Handball 2nd place tourney finishes.

[orange 4 life]

Been saying it for a couple weeks, Chris. Totally agree. We also need to protect a weak defense. It's not championship-style football, though... the Colts managed to buck the odds last year.

Worst case scenario, we get Cutler so comfortable in this offense he can run it in his sleep next year.

amen

[2KBack]

I really think if we call his plays, his number, put the ball in his hand, Cutler could end up tying or coming close to John Elway's record for TD's for this franchise which is 27 for the season. He's at 7 right now. Last year Cutler ran of five straight games with two TD's. Its not out of the question to say he could get on that kind of streak again if Shanahan gives him the opportunity.

How would he do that without the great Ashley Lelie?

[Rock Chalk]

Jake also holds the ex-bronco record for post mens Handball 2nd place tourney finishes.

Really? I thought he lost in the first round of his last tourney.

What do I know, I dont play handball...well not the same kind of handball that Jake's playing anyway.

[CoBear23]

Good research and a solid post. I defintley agree that Shanny needs to let Cutler air it out a bit, he has the arm and requiste talent neccesary to throw 35 TD's a year.

That being said, our offense has been and always will be a run first offense. Over the past 12 years we've won more games than any other team in the NFL, the reason is because over those last 12 years we've lead the league rushing.

Cutler is very talented and is more than capable of winning games with his arm, but 2nd year QB's do not win many games let alone superbowls without a solid running game and a good defense. The jury is still out on the defense but we know the run game will be there. Let Jay kill'em off the play action for another year or two than let's see if he can do what Manning and Brady are doing.

[elsid13]

Good research and a solid post. I defintley agree that Shanny needs to let Cutler air it out a bit, he has the arm and requiste talent neccesary to throw 35 TD's a year.

That being said, our offense has been and always will be a run first offense. Over the past 12 years we've won more games than any other team in the NFL, the reason is because over those last 12 years we've lead the league rushing.

Cutler is very talented and is more than capable of winning games with his arm, but 2nd year QB's do not win many games let alone superbowls without a solid running game and a good defense. The jury is still out on the defense but we know the run game will be there. Let Jay kill'em off the play action for another year or two than let's see if he can do what Manning and Brady are doing.


What has surprised me is that most of the passing yards are coming from the drop back passing plays and very little Play Action. And almost no roll outs. It like Shanahan and Dinger are holding that back until later in the year.

[Killericon]

I'm concerned about what Woodson and Harris will do to him this week.

[broncosteven]

Really? I thought he lost in the first round of his last tourney.

What do I know, I dont play handball...well not the same kind of handball that Jake's playing anyway.

I didn't read the last article. Last I heard he and his bro got up to 2nd place before losing his 1st tourney since Quitting.

[theAPAOps5]

I am all for this so long as there is a moratorium on over and under hype on all fan chat boards. He makes 3-4 TDs in a game that was a great game! He makes 1-2 INT's thats him taking his knocks.

Enough of this bickering, comparisions, and bickering. He is what we thought he is, We aren't going to Crown his ass. ;D

[Atwater His Ass]

I like this idea. The point is, reality says we won't win it all this year, so why not take your 2nd year gun slinger and let him rip it up a little bit? Get him ready for the dance next season and hey, maybe you end up winning a crappy division and get some more playoff experience in the process.

[Bronx33]

Iam not to impressed with cutlers accuracy on the long ball (he needs to work on it)

[CoBear23]

What has surprised me is that most of the passing yards are coming from the drop back passing plays and very little Play Action. And almost no roll outs. It like Shanahan and Dinger are holding that back until later in the year.

I was expecting to see less roll-outs when Jay took over. There was an article in the Post before the start of last season about Heimerdinger completely re-designing our passing attack. He said it would be more of a classic drop back system, and they wanted to limit the amount of roll-outs.

What has suprised me so-far and you nailed it right on the head is the lack of P.A. calls. I would love to see a stat about how many times a QB passes off the play-action during the course of a game. Even without a stat though it's pretty apparent that the P.A. is not being used to the extent we're used to seeing from the Broncos.

Personally I think Shanahan really missed Kubes last year, when he left our PPG and YPG suffered dramatically, only now does it seem like Shanny is starting to get into a groove with the new play callers. Which can be seen by our 5th highest YPG in the NFL and the season high 24 points the offense put up Sunday Night.

So I guess the question should be, is the lack of PA due to game-planning? or due to play-calling?

[orange 4 life]

Iam not to impressed with cutlers accuracy on the long ball (he needs to work on it)

did you EXPECT to be impressed?

thats why last season (and in '04 and '05) i was PRAISING plummers ability to throw the long ball.
sure, he didnt have the arm, but he was EXTREMELY accurate on those 30-40 yard passes that need to be dropped in there precisely.
lelie didnt throw those passes to himself, and he hasnt done squat since leaving here.

anyway, cutler has a CANNON for an arm, but he needs to improve his long distance accuracy and more importantly his long distance TIMING and DECISION making.
he's had a couple DRASTICALLY underthrown because he held the ball too long and a couple others that just shouldnt have been thrown, but like i said on another thread, its hard to fault him considering we hardly ever call the plays to let him air it out.

i say let him play, and while the int's will continue, so will the learning curve, and the big plays will increase.

[goldengopher1976]

I know it's a little bit apples and oranges, but how much perspective do we get from the fact that our club record for TD passes in a season is 27, and Tom Brady has 27 TD passes in 7 games? Quite impressive.

[elsid13]

I was expecting to see less roll-outs when Jay took over. There was an article in the Post before the start of last season about Heimerdinger completely re-designing our passing attack. He said it would be more of a classic drop back system, and they wanted to limit the amount of roll-outs.


So I guess the question should be, is the lack of PA due to game-planning? or due to play-calling?

I would attribute to the fact that Henry and the run game have not really gotten into a grove and teams aren't staking the line to stop the run. Add in the fact that most of the run of have been straight dive type run vs the stretch ones and you don't have the defense flowing to stop the ball carrier

[Bronx33]

did you EXPECT to be impressed?

thats why last season (and in '04 and '05) i was PRAISING plummers ability to throw the long ball.
sure, he didnt have the arm, but he was EXTREMELY accurate on those 30-40 yard passes that need to be dropped in there precisely.
lelie didnt throw those passes to himself, and he hasnt done squat since leaving here.

anyway, cutler has a CANNON for an arm, but he needs to improve his long distance accuracy and more importantly his long distance TIMING and DECISION making.
he's had a couple DRASTICALLY underthrown because he held the ball too long and a couple others that just shouldnt have been thrown, but like i said on another thread, its hard to fault him considering we hardly ever call the plays to let him air it out.

i say let him play, and while the int's will continue, so will the learning curve, and the big plays will increase.


I was merely stating that cutler wasn't very accurate with the long ball vs the steelers iam sure with practice he will get better. But i don't really see the point of beating down the kids confidence allowing him to air it out only to end with a INTs based on the original post.

[orange 4 life]

remember that pass to kircus last preseason?

allowing him to air it our WILL lead to some more int's, but it will ALSO lead to him getting his timing down, and it will lead to some (much needed) big plays.
it also gets the defense on its heels.

bottom line is the kid needs to be allowed to throw it around the yard a bit more than he has been allowed to thus far.
theyre (understandably) trying to protect him from mistakes, but you CANT protect a young qb from mistakes.
the mistakes are inevitable, and i for one believe allowing him to air it out will make him MORE comfortable.

[Los Broncos]

Iam not to impressed with cutlers accuracy on the long ball (he needs to work on it)

For sure, make better decisions on the long balls.

[Hulamau]

That is the idea! I just want him to get running smoothly this year. If that means we have to sit through some 3 or 4 INT games, then so be it. We need to put the ball in his hand and play him through possibly every situation he will see in the NFL.

If the Travis Henry situation/debacle is positive in anyway, it moves Cutler forth as the main option on this offense, which he should be.

I really think if we call his plays, his number, put the ball in his hand, Cutler could end up tying or coming close to John Elway's record for TD's for this franchise which is 27 for the season. He's at 7 right now. Last year Cutler ran of five straight games with two TD's. Its not out of the question to say he could get on that kind of streak again if Shanahan gives him the opportunity.

Protecting this defense entails scoring points. Jay can do that. More than anything else, draft picks or FA's in the offseason, we need to get Cutler rolling. That will be a big elixer for this teams future woes. We get Cutler going and WR's will start looking more effective, the running game will have more room to run.

I have no doubt if we keep getting Bates players at LB and DT, they'll come along as well.

I totally agree and it was the one consolation when learning that "Travelin' Dick" Travis was sure to get suspended for being a numbskull and got too close to his favorite herb.

With Henry almost gone and Selvin just learning his way I figured it should automatically put Cutler more front and center. We need Selvin to be good enough and consistent enough to keep defenses honest and on their heels a bit and then let Cutler loose big time.

Wish Walker was healthy and Hope Scheffler can play without getting hurt again and Rod should take MArshall behind the woodshed for a 'Come to Jesus Meetin' .. that would be awesome.

As it is, its a chance for Martinez to show what he can do as he gets in sync with Jay and as long as Marshall, Stokley, Graham, Martinez/Clark and Shef stay healthy it should be a lot of fun..... we aren't going to win the super bowl this year anyway so lets kick the doors down and l;et this team grow.

The young defensive guys are going to grow so much faster getting all this playing time their first year as well. ... Let er rip Shanny!

[CSU Husker]

Iam not to impressed with cutlers accuracy on the long ball (he needs to work on it)

I think its mostly the decision making. Young kid getting excited to air it out. Hell, even that great play last year in AZ was into double coverage. Im sure Shanny has taken it up with him.

[Odysseus]

1. You let it fly you are selling out Cutler. As a football asset he needs to be protected as a maturing QB not ripping to shreds. You push him too far you won't know until next when the crap you just pulled shows up. It's better to work on the problems straight ahead instead of lying about. Let it fly? Only against defenses that make this a reality.

2. Football is as much mental game as it is physical. You are asking Shanahan to beat the crap out of the core of your offense for maybe one or two wins. Are you guys around here that desperate?

3. Running the ball controls the clock. My biggest contention is not that they run the ball only HOW. If you pass to open up the run game you win but LET IT FLY? I am against that THIS YEAR.

4. If you think Cutler is ready to air it out you are wrong.

[fontaine]

1. You let it fly you are selling out Cutler. As a football asset he needs to be protected as a maturing QB not ripping to shreds. You push him too far you won't know until next when the crap you just pulled shows up. It's better to work on the problems straight ahead instead of lying about. Let it fly? Only against defenses that make this a reality.

2. Football is as much mental game as it is physical. You are asking Shanahan to beat the crap out of the core of your offense for maybe one or two wins. Are you guys around here that desperate?

3. Running the ball controls the clock. My biggest contention is not that they run the ball only HOW. If you pass to open up the run game you win but LET IT FLY? I am against that THIS YEAR.

4. If you think Cutler is ready to air it out you are wrong.

Thanks for the sanity check.

You air it out and then you can expect more fumbles and ints from Cutler.

Just because Brady and Manning are capable at doing this, doesn't mean every other QB can do it as well against weak pass defenses.

[Rock Chalk]

I am all for the option that equates to less turnovers.

If that means airing it out, cool. If that means benching Jay Cutler, cool. Whatever keeps us from giving tghe ball back, especially in our own red zone. Nothing pisses me off more thn when we are about to score and some dumbass QB throws an interception. We change the names on the back of the jersey, but that same god damn problem keeps appearing.

[Inkana7]

I am all for the option that equates to less turnovers.

If that means airing it out, cool. If that means benching Jay Cutler, cool. Whatever keeps us from giving tghe ball back, especially in our own red zone. Nothing pisses me off more thn when we are about to score and some dumbass QB throws an interception. We change the names on the back of the jersey, but that same god damn problem keeps appearing.

Shut up. Call me a Cutler homer all you want, as long as you just shut up. There's really no need to repeat the same crap in every thread you visit.

[Rock Chalk]

Shut up. Call me a Cutler homer all you want, as long as you just shut up. There's really no need to repeat the same crap in every thread you visit.

Haha, come on tough guy. Come make me shut up.

I wasnt talking about Cutler specifically. I was actually referring to every single QB we have had since Elway retired and their propensity to throw interceptions in the red zone. Griese, Plummer, Cutler, Brister, Kannel, Steve B, every single one of them has done it and more often than not.

What does that tell you dip****? It tells you that its not the QB, its the sytem. Our system is broken in the red zone period.

And if my posts offend you that much, shove a tampon up your pussy and put me on ignore. Or, better yet tough guy, come down here and shut me up.

[Inkana7]

Haha, come on tough guy. Come make me shut up.

I wasnt talking about Cutler specifically. I was actually referring to every single QB we have had since Elway retired and their propensity to throw interceptions in the red zone. Griese, Plummer, Cutler, Brister, Kannel, Steve B, every single one of them has done it and more often than not.

What does that tell you dip****? It tells you that its not the QB, its the sytem. Our system is broken in the red zone period.

And if my posts offend you that much, shove a tampon up your p***Y and put me on ignore. Or, better yet tough guy, come down here and shut me up.

I dont remember getting manhandled. Oh wait, you think I actually read any of your replies? Hahaha. Dream on dumbass. Let me explain something to you: I throw grenades, I walk away, I dont give a **** what you say afterwards.

If I got manhandled, it was only in your mind. If you smack talked back to me, had I read it I gaurantee you I would have eviscerated you with words you probably dont even know. You are "new" as in, no one knows you and judging by replies to most of your posts, no one even likes you.



Yeah, I'm going to "Come there" and make you shut up, so you can take a shot and "throw grenades,walk away, and dont give a **** what I say afterwards."

[Rock Chalk]

Yeah, I'm going to "Come there" and make you shut up, so you can take a shot and "throw grenades,walk away, and dont give a **** what I say afterwards."

I dont give a **** what you say, you are the one that cares what I say.

[bpc]

1. You let it fly you are selling out Cutler. As a football asset he needs to be protected as a maturing QB not ripping to shreds. You push him too far you won't know until next when the crap you just pulled shows up. It's better to work on the problems straight ahead instead of lying about. Let it fly? Only against defenses that make this a reality.

Why would we be selling out Cutler? I say you give somebody a work load that they can handle. Every week he has handled the passing game minus one or two bad throws. Every time he gets the ball at the end of a game, he shreds defenses up. Those are straight passing situations yet we are protecting Cutler and he is consistently completing passes. You don't wait for Cutler to reach the level for the sake of waiting... you see what they can handle and dial the offense up or down depending on what he does.

2. Football is as much mental game as it is physical. You are asking Shanahan to beat the crap out of the core of your offense for maybe one or two wins. Are you guys around here that desperate?

Again, the only real punishment Jay has taken this year has been when he's taken off running 15 yards down the field and put his shoulder out there. He hasn't taken a huge number of sacks and generally the offensive line and HB's have given him a lot of time to throw. Maybe two wins? Jay has led this team to all of its wins this season. When we have put the ball in his hands he has produced. It is not a matter of being desperate. Its about putting your team in the best position to win, which Shanahan has preached he tries to do every year. Putting the ball in Cutler's hands increases our short and long term futures.

3. Running the ball controls the clock. My biggest contention is not that they run the ball only HOW. If you pass to open up the run game you win but LET IT FLY? I am against that THIS YEAR.

I think you are conservative. With your mentality, you are willing to play a field position game with a defense that can't hold up and a special teams which is severly lacking in that department. I'm sure you loved the Plummer style ball we played. It sure produced a lot of championships. Yet we continue to watch Brady and Manning throw the ball all over the field winning almost every game they play AND SUPER BOWLS.

4. If you think Cutler is ready to air it out you are wrong.

Where is your proof? Has he not produced? I think the best defense against Cutler so far this year has been our play-calling and our defense letting the other team hold on to the ball so long. Look what he just did to the #1 pass defense in the league. When should we up his work load? 2009? That's laughable at best. The Pittsburgh game showed it. If we are to play with the big boys of the AFC, if we are to contend for even a division championship we have to give the ball to our best player.

[ikiru]

So...who is Cutler going to air it to again? The list is getting kinda short these days. :(

-ikiru

*enjoy the sauce*