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CHANGSTER
10-21-2007, 10:31 AM
Rotoworld) The Broncos reportedly got rid of assistant head coach/defense Jim Bates' system during their Week 6 bye.
Impact: "We just don't have the personnel to play it," a Denver insider told FOXSports.com. The addition of Bates and Dre' Bly excited us in the offseason about Denver's fantasy defense, but they haven't delivered. This might be bad news for Broncos middle linebacker D.J. Williams' statistics.
zowie!
CHANGSTER
10-21-2007, 10:32 AM
I suppose this has to be taken as good news. They're actually trying to fix it.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-21-2007, 10:34 AM
LMAO...
Wow, you guys are going to be in chaos on defense the rest of the year. Uh...uh....do this! Yeah!
MechanicalBull
10-21-2007, 10:36 AM
I'm down for trying anything and seeing if it works. The change probably won't make things that much worse so hopefully it stops the bleeding a little bit.
Crushaholic
10-21-2007, 10:40 AM
We don't have to completely dump it, but we can mix a few blitzes here and there so the secondary doesn't have to do all the work...
400HZ
10-21-2007, 10:43 AM
Bates system was dropped in favor of...?
I'd imagine that Larry Coyer is having himself a good hearty laugh.
MechanicalBull
10-21-2007, 10:47 AM
Maybe they will put 10 guys in the box top stop the run and have Champ cover every wr. I think he is more than capable of doing that. ;D
Broncoman13
10-21-2007, 10:48 AM
That's what I'm wondering. I think Crush probably hit the nail on the head though. I bet it's the same scheme with a little more 3-4 action. Similar to what we saw in Indy but with the LB's, Safeties, and Corners mixing in the blitzes. I'm all for it! This does go against what Shanny said at the QB's Club though. He said he thought they improved a lot vs the run when they played the Chargers... and save for a couple runs he was right. Head scratcher.
elsid13
10-21-2007, 11:05 AM
How does a team drop a system in the middle of the season??? Most likely we will see more zone and blitzing like last year..
Orange_Beard
10-21-2007, 11:11 AM
I Don't Believe This....
I just think we are going to be sellout blitzing like we did two years ago with a 9 man fronts using run blitzes.
I actually think that Bates defense will be good here. I hope this doesn't run him off.
Broncoman13
10-21-2007, 11:18 AM
I don't think it will run him off, I think it will allow him to add more of "his" type players. The draft certainly had his prints on it last year... I think we'll see more of the same with Shanny stealing another pick or two for offense (line).
ScottXray
10-21-2007, 11:32 AM
Well, if true, at least it says the coaches realize that it isn't working as is.
There are a lot of strange things that have happened this year, that just don't make much sense. Trading Warren, picking up Rice only to deactivate him, when he says he is healthy.
Injuries have played a big part in our lousy season.....
But we looked to improve the defense and special teams this year...and we have actually gotten worse in both aspects...
So changing things up really can't hurt us much at this point...I hope.
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 11:35 AM
LMAO...
Wow, you guys are going to be in chaos on defense the rest of the year. Uh...uh....do this! Yeah!
A yearly thing in mulletville..;D
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 11:36 AM
I'm down for trying anything and seeing if it works. The change probably won't make things that much worse so hopefully it stops the bleeding a little bit.
I guess we need to be more patient that's what iam gathering from interviews.
Wes Mantooth
10-21-2007, 11:47 AM
Is there a link?
FrontRowSeat1
10-21-2007, 11:52 AM
This will demotivate the entire Def....How can this get worse?
yerner
10-21-2007, 11:58 AM
If that's true I've just lost all respect for our coaches. A few bad weeks and they scrap what they've been working toward all year. I really don't believe this.
Elway777
10-21-2007, 11:59 AM
I never like the system . It seamed to the defensive ends line up to wide leaving a natural running lane. The defensive tackle do not penatrate but just take up blockers leaving defensive lineman to passive.
theAPAOps5
10-21-2007, 12:01 PM
I am not finding this on rotoworld?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7358452
theAPAOps5
10-21-2007, 12:06 PM
They just don't have the personnel to perform it
Translation - The LB's are just not getting it and won't get it.
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 12:10 PM
They just don't have the personnel to perform it
Translation - The LB's are just not getting it and won't get it.
End of story..
It cracks me up I watched Shanny's show yesterday and he was talking about what a great job they did against LT and the run just missed on two plays. Now we are scrapping the D, thats fine, but when we do get the personnel do we have to go through this and the learning curve again. Bates could be gone at years end. If we don't have the personnel I say we scrap his system all together for the 3-4 than again we don't have 1 good LB, never mind having 4.
Garcia Bronco
10-21-2007, 12:14 PM
DT's an dLB's suck at it for now
Bob's your Information Minister
10-21-2007, 12:21 PM
A yearly thing in mulletville..;D
We are 10th in total defense. Please recant your ignorant statement.
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 12:27 PM
We are 10th in total defense. Please recant your ignorant statement.
Where ere they last year? and theres plenty of time for gunther to screw it up (like he always does) which was my point donut boy.
Seamus
10-21-2007, 12:29 PM
To me after that devistating loss where there was nothing the D could do to get a 3 and out, Denver had to say something!
Lets see, they could have said, we are sticking with the Bates system that has been exposed on every game this season. Nope that wouldn't sell.
We are going to make adjustments, to the Bates System? Nope, that is the same as saying we are getting away from it.
Anyway you look at it, there is a play on words. Bates had to do some adjustments to the scheme, introducing these adjustments at the bye to give guys that already are not getting what was planned during the pre-season on to a different track was the only way to make the changes.
Someone mentioned the LB and their lack of play, this might be part of the problem combined with nobody getting off of blocks and allowing the front 3 or 4 to get isolated pretty consistently. You would hope that the LB would see the lanes or side that are/is open and react to the RB.
There deffinitly isn't too much havoc going on in the back field. I hope the changes somehow address this.
Elway777
10-21-2007, 12:39 PM
I 'm exicited to see how the Broncos defensive proforms against the steelers. This could be the end of Bates in Denver.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-21-2007, 12:40 PM
and theres plenty of time for gunther to screw it up (like he always does)
Didn't screw anything up last year.
wabbit
10-21-2007, 12:40 PM
Fox Sports is to sports what Fox News is to news...opinionated hysteria, and that's what this is.
No-one has 'dropped' anything...unless you count missed tackles & opportunities.
The defensive coaches are trying whatever they can to find something more effective than what went before it...which shouldn't be all that difficult.
Bates system depended on sheer talent & very specific assignments in a very basic scheme.
The talent wasn't there...and isn't there.
The change-up would include more zone blitzes & hidden schemes...you'll see more of that tonight.
Fox sports is such crap...they also ask incredibly stupid, personal questions that have nothing to do with the suject at hand at the media conferences..."what did you have for breakfast, coach"...that kind of nonsense.."Hey Jay...new hat...mean something?"
Ugh...go away Fox.
Ray Finkle
10-21-2007, 12:42 PM
Well, if true, at least it says the coaches realize that it isn't working as is.
There are a lot of strange things that have happened this year, that just don't make much sense. Trading Warren, picking up Rice only to deactivate him, when he says he is healthy.
Injuries have played a big part in our lousy season.....
But we looked to improve the defense and special teams this year...and we have actually gotten worse in both aspects...
So changing things up really can't hurt us much at this point...I hope.
if Rice was healthy, don't you think they would play him. Watch the replays, he is playing with one arm. Fisher and the Titans past on him since they felt it would be weeks before he could be effective.
Warren was a turd....getting a pick and his contract off the books was worth it.
fontaine
10-21-2007, 12:46 PM
Well, we've got a good enough secondary to play any type of scheme. Champ, Bly, Fergy and Lynch are not just physically great but mentally they're pretty tough as well.
That's what's missing in the front 7. We need physically and mentally tough players and it's a tall order for the three rookies. I guess they'll sacrifice the pass rush in order to contain the run. I'm fine with that. Play 4 DL straight up then let them play to the player's strengths.
It's going to be interesting what they do with the LBers though. Frankly, I don't care what type of scheme they run as long as our DL can manage to give the LBers a chance to play instead of being blocked by OL all the time. I guess we'll see.
yavoon
10-21-2007, 12:52 PM
Fox Sports is to sports what Fox News is to news...opinionated hysteria, and that's what this is.
No-one has 'dropped' anything...unless you count missed tackles & opportunities.
The defensive coaches are trying whatever they can to find something more effective than what went before it...which shouldn't be all that difficult.
Bates system depended on sheer talent & very specific assignments in a very basic scheme.
The talent wasn't there...and isn't there.
The change-up would include more zone blitzes & hidden schemes...you'll see more of that tonight.
Fox sports is such crap...they also ask incredibly stupid, personal questions that have nothing to do with the suject at hand at the media conferences..."what did you have for breakfast, coach"...that kind of nonsense.."Hey Jay...new hat...mean something?"
Ugh...go away Fox.
so bates is a retard who just required all his players to be really good?
wow I'm so proud we hired this guy.
BroncoBuff
10-21-2007, 12:54 PM
Do we get Gerard Warren back?
And Boob ... we're 5th in total offense (accd to Scott Hastings). So what?
Jason in LA
10-21-2007, 12:57 PM
Bates system was dropped in favor of...?
I'd imagine that Larry Coyer is having himself a good hearty laugh.
Just like Marty.
Rulon Velvet Jones
10-21-2007, 12:58 PM
FatBob, quit trying to bring everything back to your ****ing Chiefs. No one gives a ****.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-21-2007, 12:58 PM
FatBob, quit trying to bring everything back to your ****ing Chiefs. No one gives a ****.
Bronx33 brought up the Chiefs, not me. Please address him first.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-21-2007, 12:59 PM
Do we get Gerard Warren back?
And Boob ... we're 5th in total offense (accd to Scott Hastings). So what?
No one is doubting your offense.
Rohirrim
10-21-2007, 12:59 PM
I just think we are going to be sellout blitzing like we did two years ago with a 9 man fronts using run blitzes.
I actually think that Bates defense will be good here. I hope this doesn't run him off.
I think if they were going to do this, they wouldn't have deactivated Rice.
manchambo
10-21-2007, 01:03 PM
No one is doubting your offense.
Well, actually I am a little bit. But maybe I'm the only one . . .
broncocalijohn
10-21-2007, 01:04 PM
I don't think it will run him off, I think it will allow him to add more of "his" type players. The draft certainly had his prints on it last year... I think we'll see more of the same with Shanny stealing another pick or two for offense (line).
would u care to name "his" players that would be inserted now? We ran off the run stoppers from the last few years so now you know that we are plugging in some others that arent starting to stop this bleeding?
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 01:07 PM
Bronx33 brought up the Chiefs, not me. Please address him first.
Rulon probably finds it funner to kick a cheaps fan in the face..
Broncoman13
10-21-2007, 01:14 PM
would u care to name "his" players that would be inserted now? We ran off the run stoppers from the last few years so now you know that we are plugging in some others that arent starting to stop this bleeding?
Sam Adams, Marcus Thomas, Tim Crowder, and Jarvis Moss. I think Bates played a large role in getting all of those guys to Denver... especially the draft picks.
DomCasual
10-21-2007, 01:34 PM
Bates system was dropped in favor of...?
I'd imagine that Larry Coyer is having himself a good hearty laugh.
Yeah, I pretty much imagine you're right.
Kaylore
10-21-2007, 01:36 PM
I Don't Believe This....
I do. They said at the rate we were going, our team was going to have the fourth worst rushing defense in NFL history.
ZachKC
10-21-2007, 01:37 PM
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Broncoman13
10-21-2007, 01:38 PM
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I wouldn't mind that, so long as Champ is that Right CB!
Rulon Velvet Jones
10-21-2007, 01:58 PM
Bronx33 brought up the Chiefs, not me. Please address him first.
I don't give a **** who started it. You try the same thing in every thread.
elsid13
10-21-2007, 02:07 PM
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Might as well post the rest of the Chef Playbook will you're at it.
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NFLBRONCO
10-21-2007, 02:07 PM
Fox Sports is to sports what Fox News is to news...opinionated hysteria, and that's what this is.
No-one has 'dropped' anything...unless you count missed tackles & opportunities.
The defensive coaches are trying whatever they can to find something more effective than what went before it...which shouldn't be all that difficult.
Bates system depended on sheer talent & very specific assignments in a very basic scheme.
The talent wasn't there...and isn't there.
The change-up would include more zone blitzes & hidden schemes...you'll see more of that tonight.
Fox sports is such crap...they also ask incredibly stupid, personal questions that have nothing to do with the suject at hand at the media conferences..."what did you have for breakfast, coach"...that kind of nonsense.."Hey Jay...new hat...mean something?"
Ugh...go away Fox.
Yeah but, then you hear Mike and Ted say we are loaded with talent if they are in such denial how are we ever going to reload this team to a contender not a pretender. This is my #1 beef with Ted & Mike is they make moves like they were in SB last year when we are not close to a SB right now.
Welcome to Ted and Mike's Unexcellent Adventure. I bet Bates walks on his own after season.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-21-2007, 02:09 PM
I don't give a **** who started it. You try the same thing in every thread.
Are you suggesting I ignore ignorant comments about the Chiefs?
elsid13
10-21-2007, 02:13 PM
Are you suggesting I ignore ignorant comments about the Chiefs?
We're suggestion that you go back to septic tank that is your life and leave us alone.
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 02:21 PM
Ignorant? the cheaps haven't been in 10th place defensively in 15 years and the highlight of your sorry team (that's a fact donut boy) gunther will **** it up (he always does) but sure as shyt bobo stands on a hill yelling with powdered donut around his mouth in week 7 with a 3-3 record acting like your D is world beaters. You will be lucky to win 3 more games
ZachKC
10-21-2007, 02:25 PM
You will be lucky to win 3 more games
Hilarious!
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 02:29 PM
I will raise that to 4 games.. :poke:
ZachKC
10-21-2007, 02:31 PM
I will raise that to 4 games.. :poke:
Hey, don't let my laughing sway your dumb ass opinions. Keep them coming.
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 02:32 PM
As long as it bothers you (no problem)
ZachKC
10-21-2007, 02:34 PM
As long as it bothers you (no problem)
Bothers me? That smiley denoted laughter.
I am surprised you made the prediction. You know we still play the Broncos twice? The only teams worse than Denver in the NFL this year are the Dolphins and the Rams.
theAPAOps5
10-21-2007, 02:41 PM
Yeah but, then you hear Mike and Ted say we are loaded with talent if they are in such denial how are we ever going to reload this team to a contender not a pretender. This is my #1 beef with Ted & Mike is they make moves like they were in SB last year when we are not close to a SB right now.
Welcome to Ted and Mike's Unexcellent Adventure. I bet Bates walks on his own after season.
This team does have talent but they are young. Crowder, Moss, and Thomas are going to be good. Heck even Shanny said that Thomas is now playing 70-80% of the plays. More than the other rookies. Its the LB corps and the aging Safety's where its a liability. So this team does have talent just raw and still a little short.
theAPAOps5
10-21-2007, 02:44 PM
Bothers me? That smiley denoted laughter.
I am surprised you made the prediction. You know we still play the Broncos twice? The only teams worse than Denver in the NFL this year are the Dolphins and the Rams.
Man Zach you aren't and idiot don't make Bob statements. There are a lot more teams worse than the Broncos. See, New Orleans, Atlanta, Minnesota, Arizona.
ZachKC
10-21-2007, 02:46 PM
Man Zach you aren't and idiot don't make Bob statements. There are a lot more teams worse than the Broncos. See, New Orleans, Atlanta, Minnesota, Arizona.
I could be wrong, those teams could be worse, but right now? I don't really believe that.
I don't think it is that idiotic of a statement.
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 02:51 PM
I gave you one of the wins vs the broncos zach just like every year and nice job defending your prom date again.
ZachKC
10-21-2007, 02:54 PM
I gave you one of the wins vs the broncos zach just like every year and nice job defending your prom date again.
This had literally nothing to do with Bob. Do you read the same threads as I do?
You literally just make stuff up mid thread...the bob thing...and the being bothered thing.
It is tough to hold a basic conversation with you. You are that unintelligent.
Yeah but, then you hear Mike and Ted say we are loaded with talent if they are in such denial how are we ever going to reload this team to a contender not a pretender. This is my #1 beef with Ted & Mike is they make moves like they were in SB last year when we are not close to a SB right now.
Welcome to Ted and Mike's Unexcellent Adventure. I bet Bates walks on his own after season.
Hopefully if Shanahan is honest with himself, he'll see that we suck at DT besides Thomas who is young and at LB where we don't have any big game players.
We need Bates to stay because if we are going to run the 4-3 and run it effectively, Bates' way is the right way to go. Hopefully he will stay.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-21-2007, 03:10 PM
gunther will **** it up (he always does)
Again, Gunther did not **** it up last year.
eddie mac
10-21-2007, 03:19 PM
I couldn't give a flying **** about the Chiefs except for when we face each other so why are they even discussed on this board outside those gameweeks???
**** them and their retard fans they aren't work the column inches.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-21-2007, 03:20 PM
I couldn't give a flying **** about the Chiefs except for when we face each other so why are they even discussed on this board outside those gameweeks???
.
Ask Bronx33. Apparently he loves to discuss the Chiefs.
Bronx33
10-21-2007, 03:24 PM
correction (i love) making fun of the chiefs and one or two of it's idiot fan base.
NFLBRONCO
10-21-2007, 03:26 PM
This team does have talent but they are young. Crowder, Moss, and Thomas are going to be good. Heck even Shanny said that Thomas is now playing 70-80% of the plays. More than the other rookies. Its the LB corps and the aging Safety's where its a liability. So this team does have talent just raw and still a little short.
I agree with what your saying. I think though alot more work is needed 2 DT's OLB ILB FS SS that is alot of work ahead.
fontaine
10-21-2007, 03:29 PM
I couldn't give a flying **** about the Chiefs except for when we face each other so why are they even discussed on this board outside those gameweeks???
I know what you mean. It's like some idiots here constantly complain about guys like Boob but they're constantly responding to his lame, and tired baiting attempts.
Put him on ignore and be done with it.
Ask Bronx33. Apparently he loves to discuss the Chiefs.
Don't you have any friends over at the Chiefs board. Geez dude I am embarrassed fro you.
NFLBRONCO
10-21-2007, 04:31 PM
Hopefully if Shanahan is honest with himself, he'll see that we suck at DT besides Thomas who is young and at LB where we don't have any big game players.
We need Bates to stay because if we are going to run the 4-3 and run it effectively, Bates' way is the right way to go. Hopefully he will stay.
I hope Bates stays too but, every year we need a scapegoat. If we find DT LB's worth a darn our D would vastly improve.
gunns
10-21-2007, 04:37 PM
Bates system was dropped in favor of...?
I'd imagine that Larry Coyer is having himself a good hearty laugh.
Right next to Schottenheimer.
frerottenextelway
10-21-2007, 04:38 PM
Maybe they will put 10 guys in the box top stop the run and have Champ cover every wr. I think he is more than capable of doing that. ;D
Nah, we'll keep to strategy of letting Ian Gold cover the WRs, especially when there's only 1 WR on the field and they have 30 yards to go for a 1st.
**** Bates' system. His "system" has been having great personnel to cover up how bad his defensive formations are.
SoCalBronco
10-21-2007, 04:39 PM
I think any substantive changes to the defensive scheme are probably only temporary, as a last attempt to salvage the season, otherwise why would Bates be kept to permanently run a scheme he doesnt like/believe in/feel comfortable with/have experience in? I suspect the offseason "plan" will still revolve around acquiring system fits for the original Bates system.
He needs some more talent at DT and he needs some players who give a damn at LB.
If he can get those, we'll be good.
theAPAOps5
10-21-2007, 04:50 PM
Honestly from what Shanny said in his speach to the Boosters the change is going to be more blitzing and masking schemes. It will be interesting to see what happens tonight.
fontaine
10-21-2007, 05:08 PM
Personally I'm glad the coaches are trying to do something about the front 7's inability to run this defense.
Whether it works or not, again, is dependant on the player's ability to play tough.
It's not like we haven't tried this before. Larry Coyer did a great job in trying different things to get the most out of his defense. We did it before by trying zero blitzes to cover up for our weak pass rush and it's going to be pretty ironic if they go back to run a defense that Coyer did the last few years.
Requiem
10-21-2007, 05:10 PM
He needs some more talent at DT and he needs some players who give a damn at LB.
If he can get those, we'll be good.
Gimme a Mr. Dorsey and a Jonathan Goff please!
NFLBRONCO
10-21-2007, 05:34 PM
Gimme a Mr. Dorsey and a Jonathan Goff please!
I'd like Dorsey too and since I haven't noticed him much in last 3 games he'd be a perfect Bronco. J/K :)
rovolution
10-21-2007, 05:47 PM
time for a bring back Greg Robinson movement!!!!
Elway777
10-21-2007, 05:56 PM
Nah, we'll keep to strategy of letting Ian Gold cover the WRs, especially when there's only 1 WR on the field and they have 30 yards to go for a 1st.
**** Bates' system. His "system" has been having great personnel to cover up how bad his defensive formations are.I hate Bates formation, Bates formations are great for pass rushing from de but lousy at stopping the run.
bronco militia
10-21-2007, 05:58 PM
"We just don't have the personnel to play it," a Denver insider told FOXSports.com.
meh....are these guys riping off headlines from pft.com?
Dedhed
10-21-2007, 06:05 PM
time for a bring back Greg Robinson movement!!!!
I just threw up in my mouth.
This is a simple case of not having the personnel to get the job done. When you're giving up more rushing yards than passing in today's NFL, you have a serious problem that needs to be addressed. If they can be more successful in a different scheme right now, by all means we need to try it. Our offense is ranked 5th in the league, but with our rush defense the way it is, we don't stand a chance. It would be insane to try to stay the course at this point. The DTs don't get it, Gold is worthless in run support, and DJ is swimming inside his own head trying to adjust to a knew position inside a new scheme.
I think it's short sighted to think that this marks the beginning of the end for Bates in Denver. He's been extremely successful with this scheme once he has appropriate personnel, and that takes more than half an off-season to acquire. I don't think this in any way signals the end of Bates's scheme forever, merely the immediate future.
We'll find out tonight if this story has legs. Even if it does I think we'll see Bates's scheme introduced as the year goes on. It's a different way of doing things than most of these guys have done their entire football careers. That kind of transition takes time; more time than we've given it after seeing the results.
In other organizations like KC and Oakland, they would be willing to eat $hit for the entire season to stay the course and get a high draft pick. I'm glad the Broncos don't have that type of attitude.
NFLBRONCO
10-21-2007, 06:10 PM
I think if you need to adjust using a vanilla scheme means you need lots more help.
listopencil
10-21-2007, 06:53 PM
Makes me wonder what Coyer could have done if he had been given the players. Long story short, a ****ty D-Line makes a ****ty defense and we don't have the LB's to cover up our ****ty D-Line anymore.
eddie mac
10-21-2007, 07:56 PM
Makes me wonder what Coyer could have done if he had been given the players. Long story short, a ****ty D-Line makes a ****ty defense and we don't have the LB's to cover up our ****ty D-Line anymore.
Coyer got an average defense to an AFC Championship game.
AtlantaBronco
10-21-2007, 08:17 PM
Just stop the run!
dragondawg
10-21-2007, 10:12 PM
so their playing the soft tampa cover 2
rovolution
10-22-2007, 12:15 AM
I just threw up in my mouth.
This is a simple case of not having the personnel to get the job done. When you're giving up more rushing yards than passing in today's NFL, you have a serious problem that needs to be addressed. If they can be more successful in a different scheme right now, by all means we need to try it. Our offense is ranked 5th in the league, but with our rush defense the way it is, we don't stand a chance. It would be insane to try to stay the course at this point. The DTs don't get it, Gold is worthless in run support, and DJ is swimming inside his own head trying to adjust to a knew position inside a new scheme.
I think it's short sighted to think that this marks the beginning of the end for Bates in Denver. He's been extremely successful with this scheme once he has appropriate personnel, and that takes more than half an off-season to acquire. I don't think this in any way signals the end of Bates's scheme forever, merely the immediate future.
We'll find out tonight if this story has legs. Even if it does I think we'll see Bates's scheme introduced as the year goes on. It's a different way of doing things than most of these guys have done their entire football careers. That kind of transition takes time; more time than we've given it after seeing the results.
In other organizations like KC and Oakland, they would be willing to eat $hit for the entire season to stay the course and get a high draft pick. I'm glad the Broncos don't have that type of attitude.
Did u really write all of that in response to my sarcastic joke?
Sorry i caused you to waste uneccessary time and energy.
broncsyanks
10-22-2007, 12:30 AM
all i can imagine is that if we had champ in there. wow maybe we would have been able to cover a Tight End in the middle. wow that would have been nice. whatever i thought we messed up toothlessburger pretty well. dumerville is the man!
Dedhed
10-22-2007, 12:50 AM
Did u really write all of that in response to my sarcastic joke?
Sorry i caused you to waste uneccessary time and energy.
Did you or did you not just respond?
BTW only the part about throwing up in my mouth was in response to you. The rest was for other posters with at least a modicum of interest in intelligent discourse.
Kaylore
10-22-2007, 12:52 AM
This turned out to be not so true. We did tweak some things but Bates traditional fronts and traditional defense made several appearances tonight.
Bob's your Information Minister
10-22-2007, 12:56 AM
Serious question - how do you folks think Larry Coyer could do with the added talent you acquired this offseason?
All your D really lacked last year was a pass rush...and you got enough guys to field a decent one under his scheme, unless you consider Jarvis Moss an immediate bust.
bronco militia
10-22-2007, 01:04 AM
Serious question - how do you folks think Larry Coyer could do with the added talent you acquired this offseason?
All your D really lacked last year was a pass rush...and you got enough guys to field a decent one under his scheme, unless you consider Jarvis Moss an immediate bust.
It's way too early to judge the 4 new DL...I would have liked to see coyer with champ and bly, but the broncos would still have a huge hole at DT and at MLB
listopencil
10-22-2007, 01:41 AM
So when do we bash Bates for lack of second half adjustments? Because it looks to me, now that we are done with week seven, Bates has this D playing almost good enough to start an NFL season.
listopencil
10-22-2007, 01:44 AM
Coyer got an average defense to an AFC Championship game.
Yep.
Traveler
10-22-2007, 08:55 AM
Nice game! Defense looked much better yesterday. But there is still work to be done. Once they can start consistently getting teams off the field on 3rd down, things will finally turn upward.
Those last two Pitt drives of 96 & 78 yards put a scare in me. That said, the team showed much heart last night. Bravo!