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10-20-2007, 08:43 PM
Mike Huckabee crushed the competition with voters who were actually
there to hear each candidate speak at the Values Voters Summit today.
October 20, 2007
In a straw poll held at this weekend's Values Voters Summit in Washington,
social conservatives sent two messages and previewed how an important
segment of the GOP electorate will react after one of their own, Kansas
Sen. Sam Brownback, called it quits.
Voters could cast ballots both on-site, at a Washington hotel, or online.
As expected, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee performed well in front
of voters he will need if he has any hope of overcoming chronic money woes
in early primary states. No one, however, expected Huckabee to perform this
well. Among on-site voters, Huckabee attracted a stunning 51% of the nearly
1000 ballots cast.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, by comparison, finished second
with 10%. Still, Romney's campaign has something to brag about. In the
online portion of the poll, Romney finished first, though less than one half
of one percent ahead of Huckabee.
If the results are any indication of where supporters of now-former candidate
Sam Brownback will go, Huckabee can count on strong backing from Christian
conservatives, while Romney's campaign must be breathing easier knowing
that, for a significant portion of Christian voters, his Mormonism is not a
For John McCain, who has lately made a stronger push for social conservative
votes, the results are not inspiring. Even after a speech to the group
yesterday that received some applause, McCain finished close to the bottom
in both polls. Rudy Giuliani, as expected, finished behind most candidates as
well. Summit-goers yesterday were skeptical of his efforts to make peace
with voters whose ideology he has largely opposed through his career.
The straw poll, conducted yesterday and today, comes a day before
Republicans meet in Orlando for a debate broadcast live on Fox News.
Politics Nation will be on-site as the Florida Republican Party holds its
Presidency IV event for young political activists in conjunction with the
debate. Giuliani, Fred Thompson and Romney have all put campaign
resources in Florida.
The full results:
Huckabee 488 (51.3%)
Romney 99 (10.4)
Thompson 77 (8.1)
Tancredo 65 (6.8)
Giuliani 60 (6.3)
Hunter 54 (5.7)
McCain 30 (3.2)
Brownback 26 (2.7)
Paul 25 (2.6)
Undecided 11 (1.2)
10-20-2007, 08:54 PM
Commentary by David Brody, CBN News Senior National Correspondent.
Clearly, the people that actually heard the speeches thought Huckabee was
the best candidate there. It would be one thing if Huckabee and Romney
were neck and neck for onsite voting but for Huckabee to be such an
overwhelming onsite winner, that is saying something.
Hereís what it says. It says that you have social conservatives that are
ready to embrace him and heís ready to embrace them. That speech he
made on Saturday was electric. I was there. I saw the crowd. They ate it up.
See more on Huckabee's speech here. (http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/253704.aspx) But letís call a spade a spade.
You have Evangelical leaders that are reluctant to
back him because heís having a hard time raising money and putting what
they see as a top notch organization in place. He needs their support.
Heís going to have to earn it. If social conservatives really want Huckabee
so bad, then they'll need to put their money where their mouths are.
Having said all that, Huckabee is poised now to really take off. Why?
Two words: Sam Brownback. With Brownback out of the race, many of the
votes may go to Huckabee. That could translate into some marginally better
poll numbers. Plus, Huckabee can claim victory here and go around the
country saying that social conservatives have spoken and that heís the guy.
Romney will make that same claim but don't tell me for a second that the
onsite margin differential doesn't have some in the campaign concerned.
Maybe because Huckabee is financially challenged, they're not too worried.
Itís going to be interesting to watch the spin coming out of both the
Huckabee and Romney camps. Each will claim victory. Each campaign
will be right.
By the way, in terms of onsite polling, Fred Thompson finished with 77 votes
after people heard him speak. Rudy Giuliani finished with 60 votes. I think
the Giuliani team will take that number and as for the Thompson number,
Iím sure they were hoping to do better than that.
The story today is Huckabee.
10-21-2007, 02:39 AM
Wierd... Every major news source is reporting that Romney won this thing, with Huckabee coming in second, and Ron Paul coming in third...
Values voters back Romney, Huckabee
Straw poll of Christians serves as rebuke to Giuliani
<DL class=byline>By Mark Silva | Washington Bureau <DD>11:55 PM CDT, October 20, 2007 </DD></DL>WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney, former governor of Massachusetts and a convert to the anti-abortion cause, claimed a slim victory Saturday in a straw poll of Christian conservative voters thanks largely to organizational efforts to pull in online votes.
Mike Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas and a former Baptist pastor, placed a close second—with Romney claiming 1,595 votes and Huckabee 1,565. However, among votes cast on-site at the Values Voter Summit, Huckabee, the clear favorite in a hall full of conservative voters, claimed more than half of the total ballots.
More significantly, perhaps, the results of this conference of Christian conservatives serve as a stark rebuke to the Republican Party's front-running candidate for president in national polling, Rudolph Giuliani. The former mayor of New York, alone among his party's candidates, supports abortion rights—which many among the Christian right consider a deal-breaker for him.
Giuliani, who appeared at the summit Saturday, finished eighth among nine candidates competing, with just 107 votes out of 5,776 cast.
With evangelical Protestants accounting for nearly one in four of all Republican voters, the message coming from the two-day Values Voter Summit sponsored by the Family Research Council is clear: Many of the party's "social conservatives" are more concerned about aligning with a candidate who advances their causes of abolishing abortion and enshrining marriage as a union of man and woman in the Constitution than in supporting a candidate like Giuliani who may prove more electable.
Yet the results of the straw poll may say less about the actual political prospects for either Romney or Huckabee in a crowded Republican contest.
"I think, clearly, there is a consensus building around one, two or maybe three candidates," said Tony Perkins, Family Research Council president, hoping this straw poll will help social conservatives start to rally around one candidate.
The winner, by the numbers, had faced a polite but relatively unenthusiastic reception here.
"As president," Romney said Friday night, "I will work with the people in this room, as I have for the past four years, to champion a federal marriage amendment to protect marriage as the union of a man and a woman."
Romney, pledging to be "a pro-life president," promised to appoint judges who won't legislate from the bench.
While 1,537 people inside the ballroom of the Washington Hilton cast ballots, so did many more people able to join the Family Research Council online and cast votes.
The Romney campaign had waged a concerted effort to enlist online votes from supporters. Indeed, the results in the hall were received with silence Saturday, another clear sign that Huckabee actually had won the house.
That was borne out in the numbers: In the on-site vote, Huckabee collected 488—more than half of the 952 cast, and far and away more than any other candidate. Romney collected just 99 on-site. While 1,537 people here voted, some of those votes were done online.
With 5,776 ballots overall cast, Rep. Ron Paul of Texas placed third, with 865, and former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson placed fourth, with 564.
Inside the hall, it was Huckabee's message that resonated most clearly.
"There are many who will seek our support," Huckabee said Saturday. "But it's important that people sing from their hearts and don't merely lip synch to our songs. …
"There were times… when things amongst us were negotiable," he said. "But some things are not negotiable, the sanctity of life, the definition of marriage. … Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics—not now, not ever."
Huckabee, a former pastor in Pine Bluff and Texarkana, Ark., also was president of the Arkansas Baptist Convention before his election as lieutenant governor and then governor.
And before Huckabee arrived at the voters' summit here, supporters handed out leaflets: "Do Not Compromise God's Values."
"I come today as one not who comes to you, but as one who comes from you," Huckabee said. "You are my roots."
Still, Giuliani's appearance Saturday provided the highest drama of a convention-like assembly of voters who opened their sessions with song and prayer and made clear what concerns them most—in their straw poll, the No. 1 issue: life.
Giuliani, in a quiet, conversational appeal to a crowd that listened, at first, in silence, suggested that there is more that unites them than divides them.
Gradually breaking the ice, Giuliani promised to limit abortion as much as possible and appoint conservative judges "in the mold" of Justices Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Justice John Roberts Jr. By the end, the audience was applauding.
"People of good conscience come to different conclusions about whether abortions should be legal in some circumstances," he said. "But you and I and, I believe, almost all Americans, share the same goal—a country without abortion, achieved by changing the minds and hearts of people.
"You and I know that I am not a perfect person," Giuliani said. "We lose trust in political leaders not because they are imperfect — after all, they're human. We lose trust with them when they're not honest with us. ... We may not always agree. … But I'll give you reason to trust me, and you'll always know where I stand."
Yet, many of these voters consider his position unacceptable.
"I could never vote for him under any circumstance," Chris Carmouche of Lorton, Va., said of Giuliani. "He's a RINO—Republican in name only. What's unforgivable are his positions on abortion and the family."
Both Joanne and Steve Landman, of Bryn Mawr, Pa., consider Giuliani's stance on abortion a big problem. Yet the candidate did make some headway here, Joanne Landman said: "I appreciate his candor. It endeared me a little to his personality."
And, both said, should Giuliani win the party's nomination in 2008, they will be compelled to vote for the Republican.
10-21-2007, 02:40 AM
Oh, I see... Brody is handpicking the results that he likes best, and running with that.
10-21-2007, 02:49 AM
Romney won the on line poll. But that poll is a farce in my opinion.
Joining the group is as simple as making a minimum $1 donation.
Romneyís campaign, as well as others, actively encouraged supporters
to vote online. Voting online commenced in August, and the legislative
advocacy organizationís membership swelled to 8,500 from 5,000 over
the last few months.
In the end, out of 5,775 votes cast, only 952 were made on-site.
But making things more complicated, about 600 of the more than 2,000
attendees at the conference voted online.
In other words in my opinion Romney stuffed the ballot box with his
supporters. To me the people that were actually there in person,
heard each candidate speak, and then voted is the more accurate
vote. And Mike Huckabee clearly won that, getting more votes
than everyone else combined.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-21-2007, 09:44 AM
10-21-2007, 01:11 PM
Since I'm on a Bill Maher kick this morning, I'll let him respond to the "values voters":
And finally, New Rule: Just because the Constitution doesn't have a religious test for office, doesn't mean I can't. This past Monday was Constitution Day in the U.S. And while I was going over the Constitution with my two adopted kids--Zack Ono and Mogadishu--I'm home schooling them--I was struck again by Article 6, Section 3. It says, "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office." And I agree. No one should ever be disqualified for their religion. Even the funny ones. Like all of them.
But, the problem is that there is a religious test in this country. According to a recent poll, seven in ten say it's important to have a president with strong religious beliefs. The other three couldn't take the poll because it was Friday night and Yahweh wouldn't let them answer the phone.
But, fair is fair. So, for myself and the other 15-20% of American who the majority call "non-believers," but who I call "rationalists," here is our religious test for office: if you believe in Judgment Day, I have to seriously question your judgment.
If you believe you're in a long-term relationship with an all-powerful space-daddy--who will, after you die, party with your ghost forever--you can't have my vote, even for Miss Hawaiian Tropic.
I can't trust you at the levers of government because there's an electrical fire going on in your head.
Maybe a president who didn't believe our soldiers were going to Heaven might be a little less willing to get them killed.
Candidate Mitt Romney, a Mormon, believes in spiritually-blessed underwear that can protect him. He seemed like a nice man, and so do his sons, Wally and the Beav. But, I'm sorry, their religion is bat-****. It's like Scientology without the celebrities. And he has every right to run for president while believing in magic underwear, and believing that Jesus survived his own death and will return during an Osmonds' concert in Branson. And I have every right to take that into consideration in the voting booth.
And at the end of the day, is magic underwear really that much crazier than giant arks or virgin births or talking bushes? You're either a rationalist or you're not. And the good news is, a recent poll found 20% of adults under 30 say they are rationalists and have figured out that Santa Claus and Jesus are really the same guy.
Now, 20% is hardly a majority, but it's a bigger minority than blacks, Jews, homosexuals, NRA members, teachers or seniors. And it's certainly enough to stop being shy about expressing the opinion that WE'RE NOT THE CRAZY ONES!
Just because the vote is 4-to-1, it doesn't mean the minority is wrong. People who were against this war from the start were a minority. The majority used to believe the world was flat. But if you believe that today, you'd either be packed off to Bellevue or asked to co-host "The View."
BTW, given that Foley and Craig and Haggard were all part of the "value voters" contingent, just exactly which "values" are they offering? Maybe they'll pass out little cards (like those ones the airlines use to tell show you how to put on a life vest) entitled "Bathroom Stall Tap Dance Instructions?"
10-21-2007, 04:28 PM
Actually it wasn't the religious aspect that motivated me to start the thread.
It was how Romney is trying to buy the election. Given a choice after having
has a chance to listen to all the candidates, real people vote for someone else.
In this case Mike Huckabee. But where there is an opportunity to buy votes,
Romney wins. I mean how valid are votes cast for Romney back in August,
when they didn't even have the forum where each candidate spoke until
yesterday. Obviously someone screwed up big time when they decided
on the on line voting procedures.